(Child) Sex dolls seized at border

[TorontoMelanieJolliet 4458]

The dilemma of life-like sex dolls

Excerpt from story:

Canadian border officers have seized dozens of sex dolls with child-like dimensions and features — an emerging trend child welfare advocates fear could fuel exploitation of real children.

Records obtained by CBC News under access to information law show the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) intercepted at least 42 child-like dolls designed explicitly for sex between January 2016 and August 2018, seizing them as illegal child pornography.

Border officers in Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary, Toronto, Hamilton and Quebec have come across dozens of these child dolls and reproductions of child-like body parts, such as chests and pelvic areas. Of those documented seizures, 30 took place in Quebec.

Officials estimate the dolls they seized can range in value from $50 each to nearly $8,000.

 

[katie 1337]

29 minutes ago, TorontoMelanieJolliet said:

The dilemma of life-like sex dolls

Excerpt from story:

Canadian border officers have seized dozens of sex dolls with child-like dimensions and features — an emerging trend child welfare advocates fear could fuel exploitation of real children.

Records obtained by CBC News under access to information law show the Canada Border Services Agency (CBSA) intercepted at least 42 child-like dolls designed explicitly for sex between January 2016 and August 2018, seizing them as illegal child pornography.

Border officers in Vancouver, Edmonton, Calgary, Toronto, Hamilton and Quebec have come across dozens of these child dolls and reproductions of child-like body parts, such as chests and pelvic areas. Of those documented seizures, 30 took place in Quebec.

Officials estimate the dolls they seized can range in value from $50 each to nearly $8,000.

 

OMFG, I never knew these existed. What is this word coming too... I have a Place for these kinds of people... Which is 6.......F€€T Under.. No exceptions ... I feel sick to my stomach.. Omg..!!! 

[Phaedrus 209521]

I'm not really sure what to think about this. My initial reaction was probably the same as everyone else's where paedophilia is concerned, but... given that some people are just wired that way, are we not better off with them getting their rocks off using a doll rather than a real kid (or porn that was made with real kids)? Revolting though it may be, these things might actually have some use in harm-reduction.

Reading the article really reminded me of the "people who watch porn become rapists" moral panic which we still get, but which has been long since debunked by the evidence...

[TorontoMelanieJolliet 4458]

Nah. It can be viewed as 'gateway'. And after reading the article I believe that these would not be the end of the line for those types of .... Part of the attraction is the grooming, its not just that (this is so ewww)

You know what? To talk sensibly about pedos is a ridiculous thing to try to do. It's a sickness and at no time should it be acceptable. Just ask the many ppl who have personally been affected by it.

Many years ago childhood was created. Before that there wasn't much distinction between children and adults. So lines (well, lack of lines) were non existent. Once society smartened up and made the distinction based on many, many things...well it's not acceptable in any form. The ppl who do it obviously have trouble relating to adults. Look at all the female teachers who 'relate' to male students in ways that make one wonder where their damn head is at. It ruins lives. It forces children to grow up to soon, and takes away their opportunity to experience their sexual awakening in a natural way.

To let 'them' have their little dolls doesn't mean that is enough. They want someone to love them, emotionally and physically. Their arrested development means they will have to ruin lives to get that, but they really don't care. Do you?

[Phaedrus 209521]

19 hours ago, TorontoMelanieJolliet said:

You know what? To talk sensibly about pedos is a ridiculous thing to try to do. It's a sickness and at no time should it be acceptable. Just ask the many ppl who have personally been affected by it.

The question is not whether it's acceptable. The question is what to do about it.

But if you don't wish to discuss it, that's fine too.

[TorontoMelanieJolliet 4458]

Pls don't try and bait me. I'm not a guy and competition is not in my genes. Also I don't care what ppl think about me if I argue it or not. I'm not here to win anything. I posted it cuz I think it's a step over boundaries. Full grown adults, full grown adult images, all fine. But images of kids... I thought because of what kind of lines are toed here on this forum and others like it, that knowledge of what goes on out of our view should be known...so it doesn't confuse someone to think that it is acceptable. Grown ass men trying to discuss as though they were scholars, about the right of and perhaps the benefit of (questionable) the image of children to be used to do adult things...It's like some kind of twilight zone...

You have no influence on this issue. You cannot collect stats and do research on an informal forum that discusses CONSENTING sex between CONSENTING adults. There are places where pedos congregate. Maybe you should set up your wing-back leather chair in amongst them and try to discuss this while trying to have and open mind and a want to work towards a solution. Here, its just bs. Sorry..not sorry

[Ice4fun 78407]

From my perspective this is no different than child porn and should not be acceptable under any conditions.

[Guest]

On 1/28/2019 at 11:01 PM, Ice4fun said:

From my perspective this is no different than child porn and should not be acceptable under any conditions.

 

   I completely disagree. To make child porn, real kids are abused and exploited. In the making and use of those sex toys, no actual kids are required. If the weirdos(for a lack of a better word) get their fix out of playing with plastic instead of real children, let them be.

   If no kids are involved, who cares what they do behind closed doors.

[Ice4fun 78407]

Everyone has there own opinion.

For me sexualizing children is wrong and not something we should encourage or condone in any way.

We will have to agree to disagree

🙂

Just my Opinion

[Guest]

   I find children beauty pageants far more exploitive and nauseous than anything someone could do to a piece of plastic in the privacy of his own home.

    If no kids are involved, who cares.

   This is my opinion and I'm sticking with it.

[Guest]

On 1/7/2019 at 8:35 PM, Phaedrus said:

I'm not really sure what to think about this. My initial reaction was probably the same as everyone else's where paedophilia is concerned, but... given that some people are just wired that way, are we not better off with them getting their rocks off using a doll rather than a real kid (or porn that was made with real kids)? Revolting though it may be, these things might actually have some use in harm-reduction.

Reading the article really reminded me of the "people who watch porn become rapists" moral panic which we still get, but which has been long since debunked by the evidence...

  I couldn't agree more. For the longest time, the "solution" was abstinence and the "Word of God" and we all know how that turned out.

 

[Ice4fun 78407]

This is an interesting read.  It talks about medical professionals using child sex dolls to treat pedophiles but suggest that they should not be generally available to the public.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/mach/amp/ncna834576

and this article basicly supports the same position.  One interesting note in this article is the unconfirmed report that of the 7 men charged with importing Child sex dolls in the UK 6 have also been linked to other illegal child porn.

https://safeguardinghub.co.uk/child-sex-dolls-whats-your-view/

An finally this article makes the same point

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2017/08/08/child-sex-dolls-do-not-stop-paedophiles-abusing-children-say-nspcc-6829793/amp/

It appears from the reading I have done that there is a group of medical and sex treatment professional that think research into the potential of using child sex dolls needs to be done but also a consensus by these same individuals that general availability of these "dolls" is not a good idea.

There will always be different opinions hand this is Just my Opinion 

[Raquel Brooks 151]

All I can say is a game I used to frequent banned virtual sex acts with child sized avatars, for similar reasons that have been stated above.  No, children were not involved in those sex acts, but the avatars used were child sized.  I think 'feeding the beast' causes more thoughts and feelings along those lines, not less.  Coming to understand that if you are attracted to children, perhaps part of your psyche still needs to grow up, now THAT is what may help this situation.  If you're turned on by kids, maybe you didn't get enough time on the swing sets when you were little.  Go see someone and talk it out.

[Guest]

40 minutes ago, Raquel Brooks said:

 Go see someone and talk it out.

And then what? It's not something one can simply talk off.

Other than chemical or physical castration, there never been real effective ways of treating this kind of deviance.

Few will want to go that far unless serious safety concerns for themselves and others.

If toys and virtual games can make someone cope with it in private without kids involved, so be it.

Not perfect, but far better than how religious organisations have dealt with the problem.

[Phaedrus 209521]

On 4/8/2019 at 7:16 PM, Raquel Brooks said:

I think 'feeding the beast' causes more thoughts and feelings along those lines, not less.

That's the same logic which causes people to believe that watching porn makes you a rapist.

The science, on the other hand, shows clearly that watching porn makes people *less* likely to commit rapes or sexual assaults.

On 4/8/2019 at 7:16 PM, Raquel Brooks said:

Coming to understand that if you are attracted to children, perhaps part of your psyche still needs to grow up, now THAT is what may help this situation.  If you're turned on by kids, maybe you didn't get enough time on the swing sets when you were little.  Go see someone and talk it out.

And how well has that worked for any other sexual urges of which the moral guardians of the day disapproved?

The problem with this debate is that it's all about the revulsion people feel when discussing it, which means that any useful evidence about what may lessen the harm caused to society tends to get discarded. And so it continues, and nothing ever changes.

 

 

[Raquel Brooks 151]

12 hours ago, Phaedrus said:

That's the same logic which causes people to believe that watching porn makes you a rapist.

The science, on the other hand, shows clearly that watching porn makes people *less* likely to commit rapes or sexual assaults.

And how well has that worked for any other sexual urges of which the moral guardians of the day disapproved?

The problem with this debate is that it's all about the revulsion people feel when discussing it, which means that any useful evidence about what may lessen the harm caused to society tends to get discarded. And so it continues, and nothing ever changes.

 

 

Wow, two attacks now on a very simple statement.  Taking responsibility for our thoughts is the first way to correct our actions.  It's the only way that works.  I was trying to be encouraging for anyone who finds themselves with dark thoughts they do not wish to own.  But go ahead, be a nay sayer like everyone else and don't give folks tools to help deal with their problems. 

 

Berating someone because they see a problem differently than you, does not solve the problem. It just makes people quit speaking up.  I know I'm considering never ever ever commenting again.  Thanks! 

[waterat 20911]

13 hours ago, Raquel Brooks said:

 don't give folks tools to help deal with their problems. 

Don't feel berated Raquel.... I didn't perceive the posts to be attacks but simply additional comments.

I think that the suggestion is simply that there's evidence that the dolls may indeed be a tool that helps.

Not my cup of tea and I find them repulsive but I'll hold judgement to see if there's any published research.

[Andee 220524]

On 1/30/2019 at 11:48 AM, Ice4fun said:

This is an interesting read.  It talks about medical professionals using child sex dolls to treat pedophiles but suggest that they should not be generally available to the public.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/mach/amp/ncna834576

and this article basicly supports the same position.  One interesting note in this article is the unconfirmed report that of the 7 men charged with importing Child sex dolls in the UK 6 have also been linked to other illegal child porn.

https://safeguardinghub.co.uk/child-sex-dolls-whats-your-view/

An finally this article makes the same point

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2017/08/08/child-sex-dolls-do-not-stop-paedophiles-abusing-children-say-nspcc-6829793/amp/

It appears from the reading I have done that there is a group of medical and sex treatment professional that think research into the potential of using child sex dolls needs to be done but also a consensus by these same individuals that general availability of these "dolls" is not a good idea.

There will always be different opinions hand this is Just my Opinion 

Agreed because in this case they weren’t being imported for legitimate therapeutic purposes, but rather to make a profit in an underground economy off of pedophiles. Not acceptable.

[Phaedrus 209521]

 

On 4/10/2019 at 1:08 PM, Raquel Brooks said:

Wow, two attacks now on a very simple statement.  Taking responsibility for our thoughts is the first way to correct our actions.  It's the only way that works.

No. It has never worked.

Sexual desire can be destroyed entirely, as Greenteal said above, but I have never heard of any successful method of changing it to something deemed more acceptable. If you disagree, perhaps you'd care to provide an example?

 

On 4/10/2019 at 1:08 PM, Raquel Brooks said:

I was trying to be encouraging for anyone who finds themselves with dark thoughts they do not wish to own.  But go ahead, be a nay sayer like everyone else and don't give folks tools to help deal with their problems.

What, you mean like this?

On 4/8/2019 at 7:16 PM, Raquel Brooks said:

Coming to understand that if you are attracted to children, perhaps part of your psyche still needs to grow up, now THAT is what may help this situation.  If you're turned on by kids, maybe you didn't get enough time on the swing sets when you were little.

Is that what you consider encouraging? Do you think that was a positive contribution to the conversation?

May I gently suggest that you consider practicing what you preach?

 

Moving on...

21 hours ago, waterat said:

Not my cup of tea and I find them repulsive but I'll hold judgement to see if there's any published research.

Very little, unfortunately. I can't imagine it's a subject that very many scientists would want to research in the first place, and the way it's treated by society at large almost certainly puts off many of those who might consider it. And so we fumble on in the dark... it's a real problem because if we had a better idea of what worked and what didn't, and how best we could avoid harm to kids - which I think we'd all agree is the most important objective here - we'd be much better off.

 

18 hours ago, Mature Angela said:

Agreed because in this case they weren’t being imported for legitimate therapeutic purposes, but rather to make a profit in an underground economy off of pedophiles. Not acceptable.

Making things illegal doesn't get rid of them; it just moves the trade into the black market. 'Twas ever thus...

[Raquel Brooks 151]

I don't think I mean what you think I mean, Phaedrus. :)  I never said anything about killing sexual desire, someone else may have, but not I.  What I was referring to, is teaching ourselves and others to identify when we're having one of the thoughts we'd rather not have, and re-directing the mind.  I did this when I found myself counting things when I was younger.  Stairs, tiles, patterns.  I realized it was a slippery slope and just made myself STOP.  I'd find myself doing it and then I'd think of my favourite rock band or something, distract myself.  Meditation is good as well.  

 

I'm not really even talking to anyone typing away in this thread.  Cut apart my words and assign them the value you want, I care not.  But to the silent ones reading, know that you CAN change.  You don't have to be a monster, or whatever you see yourself as that makes a person want to act that way.  Now, if you WANT to act that way, that's another thing entirely.  It IS true we have sadistic people who enjoy hurting others.  Even most of those folks, though, where deeply wounded mentally or physically or both.  And knowing you are not alone I hope helps?  Shit freakin happens in life that leaves a person messed up. But nobody is allowed or encouraged to talk about it.  Dwelling on it never solves anything, though.  It just gouges the wound deeper.

 

I think it's good to talk about these things. And why talk about them as though they are etched in stones.  As mortal mammal on this earth, we are always evolving, changing, learning from the past and its mistakes.  I think in a way this mass dumping of skeletons from closets can be healing.  To know, "Hey, I'm not the only freak!  Lots of weird shit's been going on forever!  No wonder folks are funky."

 

Anyways, I hope those that yearn for peace and healing, can find it.

 

Love,

Raquel