What are your spidey sense key words?

[Jumpinm2 1307]

Personally I avoid any ad that states:

- one night only

- last night in town

- first time in town

- party friendly

- it’s me or it’s free

- 1000% real

- e-transfer/deposit required

......

Admittedly I could be missing out on some first tier providers, however risk vs reward factor is too high on these ones.

would love to hear what others think...?

[chinup 1002]

No phone number is a key to me

[Guest]

    The term "upscale".

  Women fitting that definition don't use free classifieds to advertise.

[harboursmoke 3087]

Part girl sets off my senses. 

Honestly is mostly pics now.  I can pretty much pick out the fakes now. 

[misterdynomite30 174]

I usually avoid key phrases like "Forget the rest, get with the best"

 

Seems *bleh*... unimaginative / cookie cutter (not to mention "catty" towards other women) Drama usually follows.

[Zachmont 3826]

2 hours ago, harboursmoke said:

Part girl sets off my senses. 
 

 

Part girl suggests part non-girl, so yeah, I can see where that might you leery ;)

For me, anything that says "no / low restrictions" is usually a very bad sign.

I'm also admittedly a grammar snob. Misspelling and typos don't bother me, but anything typed with capitals intentionally misused ("i aM looKIng fOr a GrEat tiMe") is a flag and likely an auto-pass. I'm not judging; I'm just likely not their target audience so the odds of us connecting aren't as great.

Anything where they intentionally use symbols instead of letters in their name (thereby masking their ads in search) is a flag.

On the other hand, a well written and articulate ad will grab my attention as fast as pictures.

[drlove 37204]

48 minutes ago, Zachmont said:

...a well written and articulate ad will grab my attention as fast as pictures.

Same here.

[randomUser24 1008]

While some of those may indicate, I just focus on pictures.

[Guest JamesB700]

"For me, anything that says "no / low restrictions" is usually a very bad sign."

There are enough risks as it is without willingly assuming more.  I will gladly gravitate to "100% safe service.  No exceptions."

[Hukupp 1651]

“I’m better than ⬆️ and ⬇️ her”

[Blue0012 1699]

Availabe any time

Or

24/7

[Leviathan31 8387]

This is a crux in my discussions with friends who work.  For the life of me, I cannot get a few ladies to understand that the written portion of their ads are read mostly by MEN - not other 20-years old girls (one friend does understand and has adjusted her ads).  They will not budge on this - they stick with the fluffy graphics and goofy lettering and the cliche phrases.  I guess they are just following what they think is the trend/how it's done.  I've re-written ads to be legible, presentable, etc., yet they will say, "Nah....that's ok - I like it the way it is....".  ......*sign* - maybe they will read this thread and see an ad they looks like it was done by a drunk Disney executive doesn't appeal to most clients.

 

"Party Friendly" - this is a choice for ladies.  I think most of them know that phrase is drawing the line in the sand for a lot of clients; but from what I understand, using that phrase attracts a select group of men who apparently "have all kinds of money", etc.  I have yet to see any of these "Party Friendly" ladies retire early because of all the money these clients are giving them.  I think we all know why certain providers want certain clients and it all stems back to what "Party Friendly" means.

 

I agree with Greenteal - "Upscale" can be used to describe hotels/condos perhaps, but, as mentioned, if you are offering "Upscale services", chances are, you don't use LL that much. 

 

Other phrases like "It's me or it's free" and "forget the rest", etc. are just more examples of ladies just going with what they have seen before.  Let's be honest here - I don't think many service providers have their degree in Marketing, so we can't expect too much here.  lol

 

Personally, I'm not a fan of the cut and paste ads.  Meaning - switch it up a 'lil bit.  If your too lazy to add a few things here and there in your ads, that may reflect on the service you give.  Take Ms. Manda for instance - she uses new headlines a lot and her ad, although pretty the same most of the time, is edited/adjusted quite often.  AddictiveBarbie also uses the same ad a lot, but she posts her days/times and updates them throughout the day.  I find things like this very helpful. 

 

What REALLY gets me are the ads that look like they were written for 14-year-old boys who would enjoy Penthouse Forum (remember that?  lol).  The outright "Daddy, come ____ on me" or the overly-sexually explicit phrases.  I mean, there is a % of clients who like that kind of talk during the session perhaps - but to come right out of the gate swinging with those type of phrases is demeaning to the clients, IMO.   

[NotchJohnson 214129]

Showing pictures of Mia Khalifa and just saying "You know who I am" " Why don't you come and see me..."

[good-date 1711]

200-hr.   

[Mikeyboy 27133]

Another one of my favorites is "car dates" 

Often in the same ad with words like "upscale" lol. Nothing says upscale like car dates. 😉

[Hukupp 1651]

The vehicle could legitimately be upscale 😉 

 

No, but you are right. Not the most relaxing atmosphere, unless you want the high school thrill feeling that was cool back then. Have to admit, those were exciting times. 

[redmana2 2754]

Party - reference to drugs obviously. Not sure if they're asking for it, offering it, or just okay with clients using, but regardless it's a pass for me. 

 

Young, new, fresh, etc - sometimes used as code words for underage. Just stay away. 

 

New to town, first time here - I just get the feeling that these could be girls being trafficked from town to town. Could be established independents on tour, but I'd need to see evidence like a website or Lyla posts from other provinces. 

 

24/7 - I know some high end providers will do this, but it just seems sketchy if not coming from someone with a decent rep/resume. Not sure I want to see a girl who's waiting around a hotel room at 2am on call for the kinda guy who calls at 2am. Or Maye it's just a pimp calling the shots. 

 

Excessive use of hieroglyphs, fancy fonts, emoji - maybe I'm just stuck up, but this screams millennial. Or maybe unprofessional would be a better way to put it. An articulate ad says so much about maturity. Escort ads shouldn't look like a love note passed in math class. 

 

Overly explicit language or self deprecating eg. Calling themselves a whore - again perhaps I'm being a prude, but I find self respect sexy. And I'd rather avoid girls who attract disrespect clients. Also makes me think its pimp writing the ad rather than an independent SP. 

 

Low restrictions / open minded - my assumption is this means bare services are negotiable. Pass. 

 

I could probably do this all day. I have a ton of red flags. 

 

 

[NotchJohnson 214129]

One that I have seen recently is PNP(not the Portable North Pole), It's also called chemsex, it means "Party and Play" and it involves the consumption of drugs to facilitate sexual activity and I don't mean viagra and such.  Some people call them poppers, and that scares me.

I want to live the moment and remember it when I leave her house.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, onepound said:

Anytime I see $200 an hour, or lower, it’s a hard pass. I’m happy to pay for quality. 

If I would have followed your advice, I would have missed out on many great ladies. Women who don't owe "admin", driver, accommodation and other fees, quite often make more while charging less. When things look legit and reasonable you can sometimes find something great if you give her a chance.

[harboursmoke 3087]

7 hours ago, onepound said:

Anytime I see $200 an hour, or lower, it’s a hard pass. I’m happy to pay for quality. 

 

5 hours ago, Greenteal said:

If I would have followed your advice, I would have missed out on many great ladies. Women who don't owe "admin", driver, accommodation and other fees, quite often make more while charging less. When things look legit and reasonable you can sometimes find something great if you give her a chance.

I agree.  Price is not the gold standard indicator of service quality.  

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, harboursmoke said:

I agree.  Price is not the gold standard indicator of service quality.  

  On top of that, I find baffling when ladies advertise themselves as "100% Indy" but ask the same rates as agencies. 

  They are free to set the prices they want, but completely undermine the "independent" argument by not adjusting their rates.

  They use as a buzzword something many lobbyist find important.

[Raquel Brooks 151]

13 hours ago, onepound said:

Anytime I see $200 an hour, or lower, it’s a hard pass. I’m happy to pay for quality. 

Are you telling me my rates are too low?  O.o  It was common practice in Calgary to charge $300 an hour, but I found in Vancouver I wouldn't get a single call for that rate.  I checked what other ladies were charging when I got to Halifax, and it seemed to be a good and fair rate for the area.  

 

Then again, I just realized this is a cross country board and I've no idea where you're posting from.  

[Mikeyboy 27133]

15 hours ago, Greenteal said:

  On top of that, I find baffling when ladies advertise themselves as "100% Indy" but ask the same rates as agencies. 

  They are free to set the prices they want, but completely undermine the "independent" argument by not adjusting their rates.

  They use as a buzzword something many lobbyist find important.

Honestly, it would never have occurred to me to expect a lesser rate because someone is an independent. There are so many costs associated with running your own business, even if you are not giving a cut to an agency. Placing ads and running websites are far from free. Not to mention the ridiculous number of unpaid hours they put into maintaining these sites and ads, screening, scheduling, and answering inquiries from people who more often than not are just looking to chat. Most agency girls don't maintain their own sites or social media accounts, or pay for their own ads. They just work when someone else schedules them to. 

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Mikeyboy said:

Honestly, it would never have occurred to me to expect a lesser rate because someone is an independent. There are so many costs associated with running your own business, even if you are not giving a cut to an agency. Placing ads and running websites are far from free. Not to mention the ridiculous number of unpaid hours they put into maintaining these sites and ads, screening, scheduling, and answering inquiries from people who more often than not are just looking to chat. Most agency girls don't maintain their own sites or social media accounts, or pay for their own ads. They just work when someone else schedules them to. 

 

   I agree there's a cost to self-management. But once the marketing is established, it's not that expensive to maintain. For a long time it wasn't a choice as the industry was tightly controlled by organisations most of us don't want to deal with. There good and bad from being under contract, and ladies who go indy normally do it to be more efficient and have more control. I got no problems with ladies taking a good share of the extra income. But if there's nothing left for the clients, I don't quite see the point of using "Indy" as a marketing tool. At equal cost, I tend to go for ladies under management. Not because I don't like indies, but more to avoid getting involved in possible internal conflicts. I once had a close call with someone "double dipping" and rather avoid a repeat.

  Not everyone has the same needs and management style. This allows a good flexibility in term of rates. And that's not something that came out of my as.., but from SP's who explained me how they manage to make more by asking for less.

[Mikeyboy 27133]

1 hour ago, Greenteal said:

   I agree there's a cost to self-management. But once the marketing is established, it's not that expensive to maintain. For a long time it wasn't a choice as the industry was tightly controlled by organisations most of us don't want to deal with. There good and bad from being under contract, and ladies who go indy normally do it to be more efficient and have more control. I got no problems with ladies taking a good share of the extra income. But if there's nothing left for the clients, I don't quite see the point of using "Indy" as a marketing tool. At equal cost, I tend to go for ladies under management. Not because I don't like indies, but more to avoid getting involved in possible internal conflicts. I once had a close call and rather not repeat.

  Not everyone has the same needs and management styles. And this allows a good flexibility in term of rates. And that's not something that came out of my as.., but from SP's who explained me how they manage to make more by asking for less.

I guess it depends on the meaning you take from the word 'independent'. I often take it, depending on the ad, to simply mean that she's not being exploited by a pimp. That she is there by her own choice, and that she is the one benefiting from her work. This is an important factor to me when deciding who to see. I assume it is to others as well. Just because it is stated doesn't necessarily make it true though, but it is an import distinction at least.

As far as a distinction between being part of an upscale agency vs being an independent lady goes, I've always looked at this as more of a business decision on the ladies part. If it's worth it to her or to give up part of the proceeds to have someone else do the behind the scenes work for them or not. Who made the ad or who took my booking doesn't change the value of the service she offers so I don't really see why it should impact the price.

You might feel more comfortable going through a particular agency because you know them to be reputable, or you like their vetting processes, or for whatever reason. Again, that's part of the value that they can offer to the lady to justify getting a cut of her fee. Many ladies feel it's worth giving up a portion of their earnings for this, particularly when they are new and don't have as much reputation of their own. They are in essence paying the agency to use their reputation. 

I guess it's how you look at it. You're choosing to look at it as they are making more than they should by being independent. That they are making "extra income" somehow. I'm looking at it as they are choosing to earn less than they could by being part of an agency and using their resources. (But there are benefits she enjoys as part of the service she is paying them for.) A matter of perspective I guess.

At the end of the day, they should charge what the market will bare, and what works for her business, regardless of what others are charging or what I think. In my industry, I could charge less for my professional services if I wanted to as well, but I won't simply because I don't have to. We get to vote with our wallets at the end of the day but otherwise it's up to her what she charges.