Meaghan McLeod 179664 Report post Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Greenteal said: I agree there's a cost to self-management. But once the marketing is established, it's not that expensive to maintain. Umm...sorry but in calls are very expensive to maintain. It's not just marketing. Laundry Linens/towels Hydro Snowplowing This is on top of lingerie, ads, etc... 2 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted January 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mikeyboy said: I guess it depends on the meaning you take from the word 'independent'. I often take it, depending on the ad, to simply mean that she's not being exploited by a pimp. Like GFE and others, "Indy" is a term that has been misused for over two decades and became meaningless. For most lobbyists it changes little until they see clear signs of abuse. 10 minutes ago, Mikeyboy said: As far as a distinction between being part of an upscale agency vs being an independent lady goes, I've always looked at this as more of a business decision on the ladies part. We get to vote with our wallets at the end of the day but otherwise it's up to her what she charges. I completely agree and never questioned that. What sparked the debate was the notion of a minimal rate that should spark red flags. Unless there solid evidence of mental distress or exploitation, a number shouldn't be "a hard pass". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mikeyboy 27134 Report post Posted January 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Greenteal said: I completely agree and never questioned that. What sparked the debate was the notion of a minimal rate that should spark red flags. Unless there solid evidence of mental distress or exploitation, a number shouldn't be "a hard pass". Agreed. (Although if the ad says $75/hour, it's probably fake) 😉 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted January 18, 2019 33 minutes ago, Meaghan McLeod said: Umm...sorry but in calls are very expensive to maintain. It's not just marketing. Laundry Linens/towels Hydro Snowplowing This is on top of lingerie, ads, etc... Again,I agree there's a cost. As I said, I've done business with ladies who lost close to 50% of their income in management fees, who managed to be more efficient on their own. I don't want to argue about it, I'm just saying what I was told. Have a nice weekend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted January 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, Mikeyboy said: Agreed. (Although if the ad says $75/hour, it's probably fake) 😉 It depends on the context of the services offered. I seen this kind of rates for non-physical companionship, cuddling and massages services. Again, it takes more than just a random number to expose potential problems. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hukupp 1651 Report post Posted January 18, 2019 3 hours ago, Mikeyboy said: I guess it depends on the meaning you take from the word 'independent'. I often take it, depending on the ad, to simply mean that she's not being exploited by a pimp. That she is there by her own choice, and that she is the one benefiting from her work. This is an important factor to me when deciding who to see. I assume it is to others as well. Just because it is stated doesn't necessarily make it true though, but it is an import distinction at least. Mikeyboy. You know better than to state this, both the second sentence and the assumption that others look at it this way. Many indies don’t fit that at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mikeyboy 27134 Report post Posted January 18, 2019 29 minutes ago, Hukupp said: .... Many indies don’t fit that at all. Never said they did if you read my post again. It was a comment on 2 possible interpretations on the intention of why the word 'independent' is used in ads, and a statement of my own preference to not support a particular business model. (and yes an assumption that others feel the same way about it). You're kidding yourself by the way if you think it doesn't exist here in Halifax. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hukupp 1651 Report post Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) No doubt. I’ll just state that in addition to a couple other “ big “ cities, folks here in Ottawa are quite lucky with the easy going and wonderful indies. The MAs I’ve seen are so sweet in every way. In my experience looking at ads, I feel a lesser amount of spidey senses when it comes to MAs. I’m sure that varies with others. It’s only natural. Edited January 19, 2019 by Hukupp Added sentence Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katie 1337 Report post Posted January 19, 2019 On January 17, 2019 at 11:46 AM, onepound said: Anytime I see $200 an hour, or lower, it’s a hard pass. I’m happy to pay for quality. Hey now.. $200 an hour, doesn't always mean.. "Not Quality".. I beg to differ .. 😉 1 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katie 1337 Report post Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) On January 18, 2019 at 1:03 AM, Raquel Brooks said: Are you telling me my rates are too low? O.o It was common practice in Calgary to charge $300 an hour, but I found in Vancouver I wouldn't get a single call for that rate. I checked what other ladies were charging when I got to Halifax, and it seemed to be a good and fair rate for the area. Then again, I just realized this is a cross country board and I've no idea where you're posting from. Yes, this one had caught my attention also.... It's kinda of "Insulting" actually. 🤔 Opps, not yours Raquel... This 1 below 🔽 On January 17, 2019 at 11:46 AM, onepound said: Anytime I see $200 an hour, or lower, it’s a hard pass. I’m happy to pay for quality. Edited January 19, 2019 by katie Correction 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redmana2 2754 Report post Posted January 19, 2019 7 hours ago, katie said: Hey now.. $200 an hour, doesn't always mean.. "Not Quality".. I beg to differ .. 😉 I agree with this wholeheartedly. Personally, I find very little correlation between quality and donation between $200 and $300. It's more about chemistry between two individuals. That can't be carbon copied to the next individual, and it can't be faked with the highest end hotel, fanciest website, most luxury atire, or fine tuned routines. The best lady I ever spent time with only charged $200 because she was a single mom who lived out of town and couldn't build a regular client base because she worked very infrequently and irregularity. There does not exist a $300 date who matched her quality. 2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katie 1337 Report post Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, redmana2 said: I agree with this wholeheartedly. Personally, I find very little correlation between quality and donation between $200 and $300. It's more about chemistry between two individuals. That can't be carbon copied to the next individual, and it can't be faked with the highest end hotel, fanciest website, most luxury atire, or fine tuned routines. The best lady I ever spent time with only charged $200 because she was a single mom who lived out of town and couldn't build a regular client base because she worked very infrequently and irregularity. There does not exist a $300 date who matched her quality. Nicely said redmana2! I completely understand on what most of you Gents are saying, but remember, not everyone falls in those category's. I'm thinking that, there are some Ladies (Sp's) would be reading these posts, and getting a bit insulted. Realizing that, there was no intentions of insulting her, on your end. Yes, I fall into the "$200 Per Hour" Donation, but I surely don't fall into the "Bait & Switch", or being a "Drug Addict"... Ect... Personally, I put a lot of work, hosting for my "Special Friends"... My location is very clean, (wouldn't have it any other way), everything is in place that's need for the visit, music,candles,I'm dressed the part, I look forward to my visits.. as I really love the Interaction,Companionship,that's had with one another. I'm surly not "High Class".. Nor "Low Class"...... "I'm just being myself and wouldn't have it any other way"!! Sure we may have a Beer(Drink) if desired together.. While Chatting .... (Yes,I'm a beer Gal.. Not wine...)😉.. and always being Genuine... ;) Just remember Gents.. That not all "$200" donation is Non-Qualtity ... Just need to put my opinion is here.. Katie xoxo's 😏 Edited January 19, 2019 by katie Correction 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted January 19, 2019 11 hours ago, onepound said: Anytime I’ve paid less, I’ve always found the quality was lower. I’m happy to pay 140 for hh. But more times than not when I met up with someone charging 200 an hour, I walked out because “bait and switch” or the girl was obviously addicted to drugs. When I’ve met up with girls charging more, I found the experience was better. This obviously doesn’t apply to everyone charging 200, but i tend to not even look at the ad. I’m sure I’m missing out on some gems, but after walking into bad situations more times than not, I’m alright with missing out on some gems. I occasionally find the type of provider who work from her home/apartment with minimalistic marketing in the form of sporadically posted ads. I agree service can be a mixed bag, but it also allowed me to meet great ladies. Some do to gain experience and slowly build a reputation and other to get a bit extra income without making it a full time thing. I obviously stay away when I see traces of addiction and desperation. But when I see something real, I'm not afraid to try. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raquel Brooks 151 Report post Posted January 19, 2019 12 hours ago, onepound said: Anytime I’ve paid less, I’ve always found the quality was lower. I’m happy to pay 140 for hh. But more times than not when I met up with someone charging 200 an hour, I walked out because “bait and switch” or the girl was obviously addicted to drugs. When I’ve met up with girls charging more, I found the experience was better. This obviously doesn’t apply to everyone charging 200, but i tend to not even look at the ad. I’m sure I’m missing out on some gems, but after walking into bad situations more times than not, I’m alright with missing out on some gems. What part of the country are you in? MY spidey senses indicate it's a much larger city than Halifax. That being said, I doubt if you see providers in my age range, either. When I worked for an agency, the rate was $300 an hour, but we only got $230 of it. I did start out with a rate of $250 when I got here and experienced ZERO interest. I think this hard working town just can't swing that so easily. Or maybe I AM missing out on business because rates are so low. Halifax gents, should I raise them? 😉 It would make getting my own incall sooner, easier, I suppose. Maybe that's why things are slow. Or, maybe it's because I'm 51 and folks only want to pay $300 an hour for 20 years olds. I'm serious about input, private is fine 😉 Raquel ❤️ 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katie 1337 Report post Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Raquel Brooks said: What part of the country are you in? MY spidey senses indicate it's a much larger city than Halifax. That being said, I doubt if you see providers in my age range, either. When I worked for an agency, the rate was $300 an hour, but we only got $230 of it. I did start out with a rate of $250 when I got here and experienced ZERO interest. I think this hard working town just can't swing that so easily. Or maybe I AM missing out on business because rates are so low. Halifax gents, should I raise them? 😉 It would make getting my own incall sooner, easier, I suppose. Maybe that's why things are slow. Or, maybe it's because I'm 51 and folks only want to pay $300 an hour for 20 years olds. I'm serious about input, private is fine 😉 Raquel ❤️ Hello Raquel, "My Spidey Senses" are saying that your just fine. You look awsome, and have nothing to worry about! ;).. I know, reading something like this, can get a Gal, wondering or second guessing herself, sometimes. I'm also a "Mature Sp".. ""Age Is Like Fine Wine,Gets Better With Age"".. 😉... In my Opinion.. And it's the same with "Gents/Hobbyist". If a Gentleman is "Mature", he may feel aged.. But.. I Think "Mature Gentlemen" sometimes make better "Lovers/Special Friends" ... We just know how to "Work It".. Lol.. 😏... PS.. It's Slower here also.. No Worries.. I think it's slower everywhere .. the past couple of weeks.. ;).. AND Gentlemen, please dont stop with your thread, just because a few Sp's Commented. I find it, quite Interesting.. 😜.. Continue on.. I know "No Harm" is Meant.. No Worries.. ! Katie 😘 Edited January 19, 2019 by katie Spelling 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katie 1337 Report post Posted January 19, 2019 On January 17, 2019 at 7:41 AM, NotchJohnson said: One that I have seen recently is PNP(not the Portable North Pole), It's also called chemsex, it means "Party and Play" and it involves the consumption of drugs to facilitate sexual activity and I don't mean viagra and such. Some people call them poppers, and that scares me. I want to live the moment and remember it when I leave her house. Oh my, there's new one for me. We learn something new everyday.. lol.. Weather we're "Younger or Older".. Lol.. ;).. Now from the "Inquires", I get at times.. Pertaining to "Party Girl".... Asking if I "Party" or a "Party Girl".. is "Drugs & Alcohol".. They will Pay a Certain part of your donation, then throw in "Party Favors" to make up the rest.. Or .. Pay an Hour of your Donation, throw in "All you want "Party Favors (Drugs)",and stay a Party with "Him or Them"! So, there must be a portion of Sp's out there that do this, as the inquiries are often. Personally, I'm not a "Party Girl", and "DNR" all of the ones that do inquire. It seems to me that, some out there, automatically assume.. Just because your a "Sp/Escort" that your on some kind of drug. At times, I even inquiries, asking me if I know where a certain "Party Favor/Drug".. Can be bought.. " ... That's when they "Really Piss Me Off" and I give them the address of our "Local RCMP", and say.. They have lots there.. 😬.. The things Sp's have to Put up with.. One would have no idea.. Unless your in their shoes.. ;).. Anyways.. I thought I'd throw this in the pot.. Too.. 😘 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted May 14, 2019 When MA's use the term "RMT Style" because they don't know what they're doing. I seen plenty of ladies capable of creating their own massage style. But when they can't bother giving a hint of what they offer, that's a huge red flag. If they don't know a specific massage technique that's fine. But better describe it as simply "relaxation", than a "style" in a sea of so many different therapeutic massages. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
katie 1337 Report post Posted May 15, 2019 Mmmm.... I'm Not Really Sure Why or How ... The Higher Donation, is Better/Safer/Better Quality ... Anyways... Everything Else Is Increasing & So Am I !! 😤 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jabba 18389 Report post Posted May 15, 2019 Key words: "No Black guys/gentlemen" A little off topic but still spidey sense triggers: - Highly professional or TGTBT pics = stolen pics - Duck lips - Cute animal ears, noses - floating stars, hearts 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NotchJohnson 214134 Report post Posted May 15, 2019 2 hours ago, Jabba said: Key words: "No Black guys/gentlemen" A little off topic but still spidey sense triggers: - Highly professional or TGTBT pics = stolen pics - Duck lips - Cute animal ears, noses - floating stars, hearts Exactly, what is up with the deer ears and nose or floating stars, are they 14 years old? I think that if you want to play with adults you should act like one too. I do understand that sometimes its to hide your face but when there is a full album of those pics I just turn around and look elsewhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted May 15, 2019 1 minute ago, NotchJohnson said: Exactly, what is up with the deer ears and nose or floating stars, are they 14 years old? I think that if you want to play with adults you should act like one too. I do understand that sometimes its to hide your face but when there is a full album of those pics I just turn around and look elsewhere. Agree. When the goal is to hide their identity it's fine. But when just a tool to hide their age and skin imperfection, it's about as bad as completely fake pics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Suchfun 14 Report post Posted May 17, 2019 On 1/13/2019 at 10:08 PM, Hukupp said: “I’m better than ⬆️ and ⬇️ her” 100%, without a doubt. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Report post Posted May 17, 2019 The words "Walk-Ins Welcomed(or accepted)" at establishments where extras are offered or heavily implied. I really don't like the idea of being in a waiting room with other men looking for more than relief for their chronic back pain. Also those places always feel like a magnet for the occasional police bust. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Metalsmith 2983 Report post Posted May 19, 2019 Pretty much all of the above.... The ads with interspersed capitals are an 'auto-skip' for me. I don't know why they'd do it, it honestly makes it harder to read (especially if there's $ instead of S and such too.) MS Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kitten 1281 Report post Posted May 20, 2019 On 1/14/2019 at 4:30 PM, Leviathan31 said: This is a crux in my discussions with friends who work. For the life of me, I cannot get a few ladies to understand that the written portion of their ads are read mostly by MEN - not other 20-years old girls (one friend does understand and has adjusted her ads). They will not budge on this - they stick with the fluffy graphics and goofy lettering and the cliche phrases. I guess they are just following what they think is the trend/how it's done. I've re-written ads to be legible, presentable, etc., yet they will say, "Nah....that's ok - I like it the way it is....". ......*sign* - maybe they will read this thread and see an ad they looks like it was done by a drunk Disney executive doesn't appeal to most clients. "Party Friendly" - this is a choice for ladies. I think most of them know that phrase is drawing the line in the sand for a lot of clients; but from what I understand, using that phrase attracts a select group of men who apparently "have all kinds of money", etc. I have yet to see any of these "Party Friendly" ladies retire early because of all the money these clients are giving them. I think we all know why certain providers want certain clients and it all stems back to what "Party Friendly" means. I agree with Greenteal - "Upscale" can be used to describe hotels/condos perhaps, but, as mentioned, if you are offering "Upscale services", chances are, you don't use LL that much. Other phrases like "It's me or it's free" and "forget the rest", etc. are just more examples of ladies just going with what they have seen before. Let's be honest here - I don't think many service providers have their degree in Marketing, so we can't expect too much here. lol Personally, I'm not a fan of the cut and paste ads. Meaning - switch it up a 'lil bit. If your too lazy to add a few things here and there in your ads, that may reflect on the service you give. Take Ms. Manda for instance - she uses new headlines a lot and her ad, although pretty the same most of the time, is edited/adjusted quite often. AddictiveBarbie also uses the same ad a lot, but she posts her days/times and updates them throughout the day. I find things like this very helpful. What REALLY gets me are the ads that look like they were written for 14-year-old boys who would enjoy Penthouse Forum (remember that? lol). The outright "Daddy, come ____ on me" or the overly-sexually explicit phrases. I mean, there is a % of clients who like that kind of talk during the session perhaps - but to come right out of the gate swinging with those type of phrases is demeaning to the clients, IMO. Please dont write ads for them. One of the few things us more mature providers has is our wisdom and articulation. We spent years and money educating and living to do this. If they cant do it themselves it shouldnt be something they benefit from. They have their youth going for them. Skills can be learned, youth can not. Also think of the hobbyists that may go see them, as well as the impression your friend can set. I dont find it incredibly fair... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
