Really? A one woman demolition team

[TorontoMelanieJolliet 4458]

Is this what I think it is? I will try to find ground zero ... but will I have to look farther than this ...

[katie 1337]

WTF...... What is this? What does this Mean? ... 

(I'm so Frustrated .. Right now.. I'm grabbing a drink)!!!! 😁,..

Everyone... Seems Everywhere ... are Freaking! 🙄 

[TorontoMelanieJolliet 4458]

More...

 

 

[katie 1337]

OMFG !!!! 

[katie 1337]

A Lady Just Told me, a This Moment... 

Leolist Ads ... "Posting Ads and Bumps" all Increased "Over Triple" .. 

 

[Guest]

[katie 1337]

Just now, Greenteal said:

Forgive me if I'm wrong... "What Escaleted Quickly" 🤔

[Guest]

1 minute ago, katie said:

Forgive me if I'm wrong... "What Escaleted Quickly" 🤔

    That Leolist situation. Soon, the only place providers will be allowed to advertise will be on message boards. And even that could change depending on what new law could come next.

[katie 1337]

1 minute ago, Greenteal said:

    That Leolist situation. Soon, the only place providers will be allowed to advertise will be on message boards. And even that could change depending on what new law could come next.

Ohh, I'm sorry "Greenteal".. I thought that's what you meant.. wasn't sure. 🙄...I've been at this for hours (like some others) and Fusterated ... 

As we speak, I'm getting a Drink (good stuff) .. Would Anyone Else Like One 🤗

[zoneman 357]

Just now, katie said:

Ohh, I'm sorry "Greenteal".. I thought that's what you meant.. wasn't sure. 🙄...I've been at this for hours (like some others) and Fusterated ... 

As we speak, I'm getting a Drink (good stuff) .. Would Anyone Else Like One 🤗

I won’t say no to a drink 😜

[katie 1337]

4 minutes ago, Greenteal said:

    That Leolist situation. Soon, the only place providers will be allowed to advertise will be on message boards. And even that could change depending on what new law could come next.

Idk... It makes one wonder? Everything is Happening so fast.... Advertise on Boards .. Yes (hopefully) or is it.. Going to like the olden days 😬... (Yes, I'm Dorky sometimes) ... Drink time 😛

[Guest]

[katie 1337]

2 minutes ago, zoneman said:

I won’t say no to a drink 😜

Okay... Get the Heck over here.. 😋

[katie 1337]

1 minute ago, Greenteal said:

Hahaha, Well... I did Laugh (Outloud) at that.... Lmao! 😘.. I think I needed that 😉

[zoneman 357]

2 minutes ago, katie said:

Okay... Get the Heck over here.. 😋

 

[katie 1337]

Omg ...You Guys Are Too Funny.. 😜....lmao 

(I Think I found a pretty good one.. Below 🔽

lol.... 😏

[KylieJane 5045]

Obviously this idiot is tied to a website it wants to promote, to take over from LL...don't let it happen. Yes LL is pricey but now I'll continue to use it just out of spite, as all should. 

Problems with her CC using it.... Weak excuse and not to be believed. 

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

4 minutes ago, KylieJane said:

Obviously this idiot is tied to a website it wants to promote, to take over from LL...don't let it happen. Yes LL is pricey but now I'll continue to use it just out of spite, as all should. 

Problems with her CC using it.... Weak excuse and not to be believed. 

Not sure if you caught this on twitter the other day, but a handfull of us wanted to boycott LL for a day, province by province to send a message that we can not continue being gouged like this. 

Well....guess this is one hell of a boycott😒

[Phaedrus 209521]

As I'm sure many people are aware, the folks who own and run LL also own and run this board... so hopefully they'll see this and comment officially.

Paypal has never been friendly to sex-workers; if you're using it to accpet payment for bookings you always run the risk that they may discover what the money's for and simply shut your account down without notice. Good luck retrieving your money if that happens! That doesn't make it entirely useless, of course, but it's risky and leaving money in your Paypal account for any length of time is probably not a great idea.

The financial side of advertising has always been a weak link it the chain. It's how they shut down advertising on Craigslist back in the day - the US government didn't go after CL itself... they just threatened to prosecute Visa and Mastercard for I-can't-remember-what. Those companies told CL that they'd withdraw their services and Craig Newmark, who was staring the destruction of his business in the face, backed down and stopped advertising for sex workers anywhere in the world. I think he kept the money for the ads that had already been paid for and never ran, though.

[Mikeyboy 27133]

12 hours ago, Phaedrus said:

As I'm sure many people are aware, the folks who own and run LL also own and run this board... so hopefully they'll see this and comment officially...

 

They have announced a change in ownership of LL on the site, although it's unclear what it all means. An official comment would be welcome.

 

 

Announcement of Change of Ownership

To our incredible community,

We wanted to let you know of some super exciting news, LeoList is now under new ownership.

LeoList has been connecting people in every Candian city for over 5 years and with your help and support has experienced incredible growth and health as a company. You all make LeoList what it is today and we're really thankful.

In light of the changing payment landscape and events beyond our control the sale of the business to a more experienced and commercially robust company was the best solution to ensure we can continue to deliver a world class service, to you.

Under new ownership, we'll continue to deliver innovation, continuity and be your No.1 choice in Canada. Some exciting new innovations are:
 

• Substantial quarterly donations to bodies and organisations whose principles are in line with those of our users
• A further-refined and improved customer service process including proactive moderation, live-chat and, as always, active support for law enforcement officers
• Establishing a Community Board comprised of advertisers through which the voice of our customers can reach our owners
• Relaunching LeoList and hosting our site on a brand-new domain
• Releasing features centred around increased interaction for users and their audience, including an Instagram-like gallery, improved private chat and ad statistics
• Switching to the use of third-party service providers who recognize the importance of privacy in today's world. Providers such as ProtonMail
• Working with payment providers who are conscious of our user's needs and concerns

As a community and as a business we're excited to continue to serve you and provide your customers with only Canada's finest. Continue to watch this space for future announcements!

We look forward to the next chapter of our growth, together.
Thank you very much!

Only the best,
LeoList

 

[Jasmine Rain 23126]

A copy and paste from my other comments on other threads on this topic. 

 

LL was making a change before this girl went on a rampage. They were, from my understanding - looking at review site as well. Based on a new twitter handle I followed a couple of days before this happened. So I think the ”ownership” change was already happening. 

Bottom line folks, our industry is not ever going to be as simple as mainstream.  As much as I don't want to get into crypto, almost every single site that we need, will take it. So maybe it is time to just hop on board. 

What is more important, food on your table or the convenience of a CC.

As for prices, its a lot. When that is what you solely rely on. I bet women pay more on there then they do on the forums for a month.  Diversity is the name of the game here. I have never and will never put all my eggs in one basket. Not for anything, personal, business etc. That is especially true for this industry. 

It sucks when things don't go the way we like or the way we think it should go. Yet we have seen that stirring the pot too much leaves us worse off. Bedford case, CL shut down then BP, now this. The storm will pass but how many people will learn this time. Learn how to adapt or learn how to change up your game by diversifying? 

Bottom line - men will always buy sex and women will always sell it. It is just a matter of how easy or hard you make that within the limits of the ever-evolving industry. 

I will say if the powers at LL are no longer using an EU based company for processing, then change the currency back to CDN. That is a pure cash grab if they don't. Which again,  I recognize is their right and I will continue to pay so long as I want to have my ad on that platform and feel, I get an ROI.

Right now a bump once a month is good for me. However, when I tour East/West, I'll use it and pay. If a $10 as is making $250 - I ain't bitching about price. Escort advertising is so cheap compared to the mainstream for real businesses.  Hell, my print cost on flyers for just events at my job cost more than a year of advertising on the forums and that is just to advertise to customers I already have.  

Ladies have to watch, they think guys only look for sex when they want it. That is not true. They research beforehand. You don't need to have your ad up on the front page all the time, you don't need to only use LL on the day you are working. I say take this time to learn about other advertising venues or how to support those who have stay tried and true longer than CL, BP and LL combined.

Sorry, that turned into more than I thought. As a businesswoman, I get frustrated at how upset these women get. Only because I know if they just tweaked a couple of things in their game, they wouldn't have to worry as much as they do. I wish there was a magic handbook I could give out. I wish women would put 10% of every booking away for days like today. It would help pay that hotel when you found out after you checked in that you can’t place an ad LL. I wish ladies would use more then one site. It would make sure you had another place to advertise when now stuck in a pre-paid hotel and no LL. 

To be clear, I'm not mad at women. Just frustrated they have to go through this when I know a change here or there could have made this issue such a non issue for them as it is for me. I wish one person didn't decide for the rest what was good and what was not. First with Bedford and now this trans woman from Vancouver.

[Jenn 102]

22 hours ago, clearbluesky15 said:

... so skipping the flames.

 

The telling post was "I'm taking down sites"... that sounds like someone with a axe to grind ... and it sounds like they want to deny choice to the folks that use those sites... that's not a kindness by anyone's measure, regardless of the best choice (use free or pay).

 

On sites (free or pay) ...  either pay-to-post sites offer value, and they'll survive... or they don't and so folks won't use them and they'll fold. No need to intervene in that market (market forces win again 🙂 ).

 

Of course there's always folks that want to force others to think like them... and given the community here... I suspect that approach is something that we all find a bit tiring.

I'm really starting to warm to MsManda's point (on her recorded "Nighttime" interview) about how folks acting "on behalf" of providers often do more harm than good.

 

-cbs

 

Where do I find Ms. Manda’s interviews/podcasts?? Would love to listen to them 🙂 

[Phaedrus 209521]

On 4/10/2019 at 1:45 PM, Mikeyboy said:

They have announced a change in ownership of LL on the site, although it's unclear what it all means. An official comment would be welcome.

Thanks for that!

It may or may not mean much - it could mean completely new people in charge, or it could mean they moved it from one holding company to another :)

I find the comment about establishing a community board interesting. The old owners have one right here...

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

12 hours ago, Phaedrus said:

Thanks for that!

It may or may not mean much - it could mean completely new people in charge, or it could mean they moved it from one holding company to another 🙂

I find the comment about establishing a community board interesting. The old owners have one right here...

I say this all the time! But what it is, is clients don't want the leg work of opening accounts etc...they want the convenience of classified ads, non moderated. Yup, click, swipe and choose. 😒

[Jenn 102]

On 4/10/2019 at 5:50 PM, clearbluesky15 said:

Hi Jenn:

 

Here is the Night Time podcast site: https://www.nighttimepodcast.com/episodes

Her interview is on the second page... here is a direct link to  download: https://omny.fm/shows/nighttime/msmanda-halifaxs-independent-vip-escort.mp3

 

Hope that helps,

-cbs

Thanks CBS! 🙂