Shilling

[d*mm*y 887]

Just a few thoughts about shills. As we all know there are SP's, Agencies, hobbiests, and the curious on the board. I really appreciate the input from all sides and the context that it is from. Every body has a valid point and a different vantage point. What I do not like is when an agency or SP plants a Shill post. This says to me that the agency or SP has very low self esteem and assumes that their natural point of view has no value, so they pretend to be a hobbiest, like this gives them more credibility. Please if you are an SP or an agency and you are not sure what to write just sit on the side lines read the posts and get to understand the threads. It is better to lurk than to BS, you will eventually get the urge to chime in and add value. I guarantee that the SP's that are frequented the most are the ones that give there opinion and contribute to this board. I can also guarantee that the agency that gets the most business from this board is PK because although we may not agree with there position they at least tell us how it is from their prospective and that adds value.

 

Before you make a shill post, or post a fake pic (here or any wear), think about it, do you want to maximize your revenue potential from the board or just piss us off? Cause I can think of 7-8 ladies that I would rather give-spend my $1500 on this week than a shill poster, and I know I am not alone. I am as curious as the next guy to see new talent, but I also expect a certain level of professionalism, without that I can't trust you.

[c***p***y 100]

I agree with you on every point Dumpy, but it will probably fall on deaf ears. The kind of SP or agency that would resort to that kind of chicanery is not interested in our input or opinions.

[kih 458]

Well said dummpy,

 

Not to long ago, an agency was nabbed here by CK for the fake pics. I really don't have trust for an agency as a whole who would use such tactics to drum up business. If the agency was the real McCoy and the ladies and their services were genuine, they should post honestly.

 

Thankfully that particular agency only offered out calls, so I never got baited by their pics but nonetheless, the potential was there that someone would of tried their services.

[loneskater 25635]

I agree with you on every point Dumpy, but it will probably fall on deaf ears. The kind of SP or agency that would resort to that kind of chicanery is not interested in our input or opinions.

 

You may be right in the case of just one comment here and there or when the shill gets caught and MOD removes it because then the proof is gone from the records. Might be something for MOD to think of, we have a Bait and Switch section maybe we can get a Shill section???

 

But I think Dummpy is on to something. It is quite possible that these agencies stay quiet for a while and read the threads. I know personnally, once I find out about an agency posting shills or providing fake pics they are boycott for good in my book. As Dummpy said ther is too many nice SPs to spend my money on why would I bother with someone who can't be honest. I am sure there are more members on this Board who feel this way.

 

If we all come out and add our feeling to this thread maybe the message will not fall on deaf ears. Maybe they will understand they are running themselves out of business and will change their approach. After all if they have no clients, it won't take too long before the SPs will quit on them.

 

So Let's follow Dummpy's lead here and let these people know how you feel.

[loneskater 25635]

Someone actually did try this agency and provided a very good review of the SP he met. They did have one real picture at the start. Of course that SP is no longer around. She only stayed a few weeks. Wonder Why?

 

Well said dummpy,

 

Not to long ago, an agency was nabbed here by CK for the fake pics. I really don't have trust for an agency as a whole who would use such tactics to drum up business. If the agency was the real McCoy and the ladies and their services were genuine, they should post honestly.

 

Thankfully that particular agency only offered out calls, so I never got baited by their pics but nonetheless, the potential was there that someone would of tried their services.

[kih 458]

Someone actually did try this agency and provided a very good review of the SP he met. They did have one real picture at the start. Of course that SP is no longer around. She only stayed a few weeks. Wonder Why?

 

I wasn't aware of that...No need to wonder for me why that particular SP is no longer around or affiliated with that agency.

[ulixestrojan 3757]

Nicely said Dummpy - so, $1500 a week - your portfolio is working nicely.

 

Trust is about the cost of transactions - if I trust you, all it takes is a handshake, if I do not and we need to do business then the same transaction needs lawyers and contracts - much more expensive for the same result. Just a thought.

[mod 135640]

Unfortunately this business attracts people who want to make money as fast as possible and at any opportunity and they often never consider tomorrow (it's all about today and never consider tomorrow). Most of these people have no formal business training or experience.

 

Unlike mainstream business where it costs thousands (sometimes hundreds of thousands and even millions) to fix a bad corporate image or try to start over... the escort agency business is completely different. It's easily exploited and with little or no consequence.

 

Some things to consider as to why this happens

 

- They easily just shut down the phone for the one agency, change names (It's not like they apply for a legit business license or anything) and away they go again. New cell phone number, new fake photos and new ads... and everyone gets conned again.

 

- only a SMALL portion of the internet users follow the discussion boards

 

- if the agency sends a bait and switch girl out the customer usually only sends the girl away 1 out of every 20 times or so. because of this bait and switch is very profitable - just not for return clients.

 

...and a big reason I think as to why it is happening more and more every day now is because of the internet. If a legit agency tries to do things right many of the guys online slam them every chance they get. Guys expect the agencies to control the ladies and enforce the ladies to perform flawlessly with every client. This is unreal but when a agency is dealing with multiple ladies all getting a few negative reviews a week it just slams the agency. A agency who posts real photos, legit info and deals with complaints should be praised but instead that is often not good enough as people demand much more (unrealistic demands and expect that the customer is always right should be the way things are done... we all know that is not realistic and those people should be grateful that the agency is posting real info and photos and running a good agency as opposed to taking the easy route and bait and switching.

 

Legit agencies with long term goals trying to build a good reputation have a uphill battle and that is mostly because of the forums these days. It may actually be easier and more profitable to just shut down the tarnished agency and open under a new name. The agencies can not please everyone and the ladies can not please everyone and often when the agency ladies do not perform well the finger points to the agency and the agency has to go on the defensive.

 

It's a catch 22 issue and the internet is so new still to this world that it is really changing the way things are done.

 

That is why a new approach was needed... and why I feel a recommendation board (with respected members) is so important in this day and age. Guy's will always post when they are not happy to warn everyone else but they will not go out of their way to post about a good visit unless they feel the lady deserves some recognition so when someone is worth taking time to recommend it adds so much more value to the post. That is my theory on this and why we run this board this way... we will see in another 10 years if I was right or wrong.... I have a feeling that most guys will get sick of sifting through 100's of negative posts to find a someone to visit with. Even the ladies who are highly recommended here could have an off day and get a negative review... could be some drunken client who she refused, someone with poor hygiene or someone who has anger issues... who knows... but when 10+ guys take the time to comment about how much they enjoy a lady it adds so much more value to her reputation.

 

I know many of you guys like the thrill of the hunt (finding the next best escort and being the first to tell everyone) and I see why you like CL for this and other places as when a girl just starts out she does not have money for the big advertising sites... but remember that when you TOFTT you will probably be bait and switched or scammed more often then not as all the bait and switch agencies will also be exploiting these sites. They will also be here and on other forums as new members on sites posting shill posts and fake photos.

[shypilot 113]

Well said to all,

 

I am still quite new to all this and I have found this thread very informative. I agree completely with what mod is saying, I work in technology and even thought the internet has been around for 14 years in its current incarnation the one thing that stands out is that many many people, legit or otherwise consider this the environment to make a quick buck. Lets face if for a relatively small amount of money you can make yourself look like a full corporation and be completely anonymous.

 

For many this is an invitation to cheat and rip people off, be it in this industry or any other. This board from my experience so far provides an invaluable resource to both hobbiest and SP's. It provides a safe environment where we can let each other know what is going on.

 

As far as what has been happening with the bait and switch and shills when identified I feel it is very appropriate to let members know. From the hobbiest's side we know not to use them as dummpy said there are plenty of legitimate and beautiful ladies around. For SP's thinking of working with an agency it helps them avoid what could be a very unpleasant situation.

 

Again well said to all, maybe we should have a section to cover all of these types of situations, shills, bait and switch etc...

[mod 135640]

A section exists for bait and switch but anyone can post a shill (it could be a girls boyfriend thinking he has a great idea to boost her business, or any number of other reasons it happens). We don't need it... if you are going to believe a post or a recommendation from some new member with less then 20 good posts then your going to find yourself disappointed. Long term members and recommendations with lots of other members agreeing are the ones that hold the value here. Shill posts are not that hard to spot.... when we do catch them with the SAME IP ad the agency I will bad the agency, close the thread and leave a comment about this... would that be good?

[shypilot 113]

I think that would do well mod and your point is well taken. I have based my decisions on first getting to know the long time users here and the SP's and like you said these are the ones to pay attention to. There are certainly good indicators as to when a post could be a shill or not and with the added effort on your part to identify and remove these posts should help a lot.

 

Thanks for effort

[PistolPete 61421]

MOD...I think your idea is great, when I first started I was lurking and reading more of the long time posters.If a first time poster creates a review, 98 percent of the time I did not see this woman.If a long time poster had saw the same lady and agreed with review, I would see her as well. The long list of woman that are reviewed quite well here, I tend to stay with them. Everyone is going to have their own opinion on a lady, and everyone is hopefully going to make their own sound judgement on who to see and not see.

 

 

 

 

 

A section exists for bait and switch but anyone can post a shill (it could be a girls boyfriend thinking he has a great idea to boost her business, or any number of other reasons it happens). We don't need it... if you are going to believe a post or a recommendation from some new member with less then 20 good posts then your going to find yourself disappointed. Long term members and recommendations with lots of other members agreeing are the ones that hold the value here. Shill posts are not that hard to spot.... when we do catch them with the SAME IP ad the agency I will bad the agency, close the thread and leave a comment about this... would that be good?

[Capital Hunter 18263]

I wasn't aware of that...No need to wonder for me why that particular SP is no longer around or affiliated with that agency.

 

If I am right about the agency you are referring to, then I was lucky to TOFTT and get a great girl from that agency. It was Christina recommended by myself and a second reviewer who also had excellent time with her. I stopped calling that agency once fake pictures were posted by that agency (discovered by CK).

[loneskater 25635]

It was the agency being refered to in Kih's comment as I remembered yours and the other member's review of Christina and how her picture was not a fake. However that agency started the fake pics and coincidently, Christina dissappeared and I believe there was another of their ladies who has become an INDY (Alyxia??) She has not been reviewed here.

 

If I am right about the agency you are referring to, then I was lucky to TOFFT and get a great girl from that agency. It was Christina recommended by myself and a second reviewer who also had excellent time with her. I stopped calling that agency once fake pictures were posted by that agency (discovered by CK).

[Capital Hunter 18263]

It was the agency being refered to in Kih's comment as I remembered yours and the other member's review of Christina and how her picture was not a fake. However that agency started the fake pics and coincidently, Christina dissappeared and I believe there was another of their ladies who has become an INDY (Alyxia??) She has not been reviewed here.

 

Christina worked as Cindy for the new Millenium agency back in May and early June and then disappearred. Unless she is working with another name somewhere else that I don't know.

 

Yes you are right Alyxia is working as independent but I think since she is advertising on CL (not a respected site like Escorts Canada) then she may not have taken by anyone on this board and that is probably why there is no review for her here.

[kih 458]

Christina worked as Cindy for the new Millenium agency back in May and early June and then disappearred. Unless she is working with another name somewhere else that I don't know.

 

Yes you are right Alyxia is working as independent but I think since she is advertising on CL (not a respected site like Escorts Canada) then she may not have taken by anyone on this board and that is probably why there is no review for her here.

 

I had Cindy or a.k.a Christina on my list but apparently she is gone back to Montreal. She did have some nice pics on CL but with all the bait and switch that goes on there, its difficult to tell. Cowboy Kenny is really good at exposing some of the fraud that goes over there.

 

In my own experience, I have contacted a few ads on CL, and I explain that a lot of bait and switch goes on but I emphasize nothing personal against them, but would they send a few more pics of themselves...No surprise ...the email exchange usually stops and or the ad disappears... lol

[Capital Hunter 18263]

I had Cindy or a.k.a Christina on my list but apparently she is gone back to Montreal. She did have some nice pics on CL but with all the bait and switch that goes on there, its difficult to tell. Cowboy Kenny is really good at exposing some of the fraud that goes over there.

 

In my own experience, I have contacted a few ads on CL, and I explain that a lot of bait and switch goes on but I emphasize nothing personal against them, but would they send a few more pics of themselves...No surprise ...the email exchange usually stops and or the ad disappears... lol

 

I can tell you that Cindy's pictures on CL were authentic. She was even prettier in person with exceptional service and a will to please. I don't know about others on CL. I was tempted to TOFFT a few blondes (Lola, Roxane, Destiny, Sasha) but everytime I was reminded of Nina's fake picture that was discovered by Cowboy Kenny and I changed my mind. If you have seen any of above on CL please review or PM.

[loneskater 25635]

I can tell you that Cindy's pictures on CL were authentic. She was even prettier in person with exceptional service and a will to please. I don't know about others on CL. I was tempted to TOFFT a few blondes (Lola, Roxane, Destiny, Sasha) but everytime I was reminded of Nina's fake picture that was discovered by Cowboy Kenny and I changed my mind. If you have seen any of above on CL please review or PM.

 

I would not even go neay any of those 4. Keep checking their phone numbers. One day they are advertised on an 819 number the next one is a 613 and they alternate. Although it is not unusual for an agency to have more than one number, the 613 number is the one from the Agency Christina was with, the same that produce the Nina fake pics and more fakes. Actually I think the Roxanne or Lola pic were once advertised under Nina's name.

 

This agency is very good at changing things to camouflage themselves but they can't come up with new phone numbers every day and that is how I track them.

[loneskater 25635]

In my own experience, I have contacted a few ads on CL, and I explain that a lot of bait and switch goes on but I emphasize nothing personal against them, but would they send a few more pics of themselves...No surprise ...the email exchange usually stops and or the ad disappears... lol

 

That is a good way to tell the fakes especially if you want to discover new tallent. Unfrotunately, most of those that use CL are not members here, can't read your advice and keep those Bait and Switch agency running.

[kih 458]

I can tell you that Cindy's pictures on CL were authentic. She was even prettier in person with exceptional service and a will to please. I don't know about others on CL. I was tempted to TOFFT a few blondes (Lola, Roxane, Destiny, Sasha) but everytime I was reminded of Nina's fake picture that was discovered by Cowboy Kenny and I changed my mind. If you have seen any of above on CL please review or PM.

 

I contacted Marie at Millinium, in regards to Cindy. I would of booked an apt with her if she offered incall.

 

I would not even go neay any of those 4. Keep checking their phone numbers. One day they are advertised on an 819 number the next one is a 613 and they alternate. Although it is not unusual for an agency to have more than one number, the 613 number is the one from the Agency Christina was with, the same that produce the Nina fake pics and more fakes. Actually I think the Roxanne or Lola pic were once advertised under Nina's name.

 

This agency is very good at changing things to camouflage themselves but they can't come up with new phone numbers every day and that is how I track them.

 

I noticed that as well, different pics, swamped names and phone numbers alternate between 819 and 613 exchange on a almost daily basis. Its actually funny at what efforts they go to to pull the bait and switch. I suspect they have very few repeat clients.

[mandy74 100]

I came into this a little over a year ago. I admit I started out on CL in Van, but not until I had done a little research.

I cannot, for the life of me, understand why anyone would post anything other than their own pics? I mean, what are you supposed to say or do when the gentleman shows up? It is an absolute mystery to me why any man would stay after having this happen to him. I have read how this happens all of the time. I know of one gentleman who showed up and admitted to having two others as a backup, had I not been who I posted. It seems that this would be the smart thing to do.

If you are in the mood, and ready to go, why not have a backup plan? I'd hate to send anyone off with wood...that is why I am who I am. I've even offered to wear exactly what I wear in my photos, to prove myself.

It is completely unbelievable to me, to say the least.

Good luck on your adventures, and maybe have a backup plan in place, if at all possible.

Cheers!

 

p.s. I just realised I was listed as a hobbyist...lol I have changed that ;)

[Capital Hunter 18263]

I contacted Marie at Millinium, in regards to Cindy. I would of booked an apt with her if she offered incall.

 

 

You mean Cindy is still with them:o. I am an outcall guy but when I called for Cindy they first told me she is available only to call me back that she is not and then they removed her pictures from their site. I just assumed she is no longer with them.

[loneskater 25635]

Welcome to the Board Mandy74. Best plan is to stick to CERB recommended ladies then there is no need for a back up plan.

[kih 458]

I contacted Marie at Millinium, in regards to Cindy. I would of booked an apt with her if she offered incall.

 

 

You mean Cindy is still with them:o. I am an outcall guy but when I called for Cindy they first told me she is available only to call me back that she is not and then they removed her pictures from their site. I just assumed she is no longer with them.

 

I don't think she is. I'm under the believe that she went back to Montreal.