What is "True GFE" vs "GFE" ???

[etasman2000 15994]

Check out their website, most have their services listed there. Email in advance.

 

Lastly there is a slight difference between listing what you are looking for versus asking out right what they offer.

 

What's the solution to this inability to communicate on the phone about it? Is this even an issue to be worried about in Canada with current laws changing as they are, and all?

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

I have never head this term "True GFE" being advertised but the standard GFE would include, DFK, DATY BBBJ and more importantly the SP's attitude which is more intimate rather than mechanical. Many people here are right about the term being so diluted that GFE has completely lost its meaning. I have even seen people advertising as a GFE and they don't even kiss!!

 

So imo the term true GFE doesn't really imply anything different or new. And if someone was a true gfe like a girlfriend then wouldn't the activities be that much more intimate? More imtimate than SPs are willing to cater to? True GFE is just a new phrase.. same old, same old just an old term recycled into something new.

[Guest E****_*****a]

GFE is the experience, not what the lady does. What it probably means is shes really a girl friend experience not just advertising it to get people in the door.

Just because someone is GFE definitely doesn't mean they do BBBJ... to me that is PSE not GFE.

[whiteman 14028]

I have never head this term "True GFE" being advertised but the standard GFE would include, DFK, DATY BBBJ and more importantly the SP's attitude which is more intimate rather than mechanical. Many people here are right about the term being so diluted that GFE has completely lost its meaning. I have even seen people advertising as a GFE and they don't even kiss!!

Although some people may say it sounds crass to break down GFE as just a series of physical acts like daty, bbbj, etc., and it's the emotional intimacy aspects that are more important. In reality, the physical actions are the primary features, while the emotional intimacy is a secondary feature that emerges out as a result of those actions. Think about what all of these actions represent. They represent a level of intimacy between SP and client where they implicitly trust each other so much that they can even draw each other into their own mouths! The mouth is one of the most personal areas of any person to share with another person. So if you can't kiss, or if you can't do daty or bbbj, then you really don't trust each other enough to have a real emotional intimacy with each other, and it just becomes an acting job.

 

Therefore, True GFE should always be a YMMV possibility between client and SP. It can't be something that is pre-negotiated and agreed to ahead of time, it usually happens on the spur of the moment.

[bewlayb 7480]

It's clear from following this thread that an agreement on the definition of "GFE" or "True GFE" is not possible in our lifetime. However, I still want to help physicalchemistry differentiate between the two terms. So, I submit the following benign historical account:

 

• Once upon a time the service option GFE appeared and it meant a certain "something".
  
• Men liked that "something" and so began asking for GFE.
  
• SPs soon realized there was a market for that "something" and so began advertising themselves as providers of the GFE.
  
• Not every SP is the same. Nor is every client. So naturally the GFE varied according to each SP and her individual clients (the YMMV factor).
  
• GFE now could mean "something plus this" or "something but not that" or even "something plus this and two of those".
  
• As GFE became a popular option, some less scrupulous SPs began exploiting its popularity to lure men to their boudoirs. They advertised themselves as providers of the GFE despite having no intention of actually providing "something" .
  
• Now GFE could mean a lot of different "somethings" or "nothing you expected".
  
• To address the ambiguity in the market and highlight the true value of their original GFE service offering, some innovative SPs began advertising themselves as providers of the True GFE.
  
• Men who liked that "something" they used to call GFE, now began asking for True GFE.
  

 

Exactly what that original "something" was we'll probably never know or agree on. As demonstrated by the posts on this thread, the definition is lost in time and is as varying as the number of people that decide to offer their opinion or recollection of the meaning. Only the SP physicalchemistry saw advertise as True GFE knows for sure what her definition of that "something" is.

[Catfish101 171]

so whats non-gfe? What shitty reffing tonight.

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[Andee 220524]

I think yes, safe GFE refers to someone who does certain activities using protection (condom or in some cases dental dams too) but I have heard of ladies who do not allow daty and are still considered GFE providers because again, is about an experience and the result of it is not based on the services that were provided during the encounter.

 

 

 

This IMO contradicts what you said above focusing in services (kissing, daty, bbbj/cbj.) But I agree that is what GFE means, I guess that's why the acronym includes the word experience on it.

 

I am going by some other SPs. There are some who call themselves "safe" GFE's who DO allow daty without dental dam, but not bbbj. Some allow kissing, others do not, but they still use the same word to describe themselves.

 

 

I personally do not think a lady should refer to herself as a GFE if she does not allow kissing or DATY, because these are things a girlfriend would do, so how can you have that "experience" if you are not experiencing it. No wonder the fellas are confused!

 

I was just saying that it's not "just" about menu items, but that is part of it. Otherwise why use the term, then to describe yourself? To say you are a GFE strictly because you do not want to come across as cold and mechanical is ridiculous.

 

GFE or not, all SPs should be friendly, outgoing and unrushed. Using the term GFE does not automatically mean some is that, so the term is uselss if it's not backed up.

 

Because there are so many different definitions out there, I believe it's best for the guys to ask up front what that includes if it is not specified on a menu. I do not get offended by that question, because how else are they supposed to know.

 

Additional Comments:

GFE is the experience, not what the lady does. What it probably means is shes really a girl friend experience not just advertising it to get people in the door.

Just because someone is GFE definitely doesn't mean they do BBBJ... to me that is PSE not GFE.

 

If you consider BBBJ to be PSE, not GFE, then I would say someone like yourself might want to advertise as a "safe" GFE, because despite how you may define it, I can tell you having done this for years, that many people do consider BBBJ as part of the GFE experience.

 

By distinguishing yourself as "safe" GFE, they are more likely to know you do not engage in bbbj.

 

You didn't say whether you offer DATY, because that can also be "assumed".

 

Which is why I keep getting back to the point, that I believe the lady needs to be clear about what she does and does not do so there is no confusion. But many do not like listing a "menu" and with others it YMMV, so really it can get confusing like I said.

 

I know I'm probably going to get jumped on for this and I am repeating myself, but I just want to re-iterate that I believe the term GFE is way over-used. It should not be the distinction between cold and mechanical and unrushed and friendly. It's one thing to say it's about the "experience", but what does that really mean. Just that you're "unrushed" and more "friendly". I believe GFE or not, every SP should be that way.

[whiteman 14028]

GFE is the experience, not what the lady does. What it probably means is shes really a girl friend experience not just advertising it to get people in the door.

Just because someone is GFE definitely doesn't mean they do BBBJ... to me that is PSE not GFE.

Most definitely not, bbbj is part of gfe, always has been. Now, if you offer cbj, then perhaps you can define yourself with the "safe gfe" term.

 

However, going back to over-used, under-defined terms, has anyone settled on what pse means either? My assumption for that meant it includes everything in gfe, plus anything else that you see in porn movies like facials, fs, etc.

[PistolPete 61421]

Some more confusion to add to the True GFE Vs. GFE

 

 

Here is some examples of advertising right off web sites from ladies of Cerb or Agencies (which could be very mis-leading, or in fact there is no mis-leading you must ask the question)

 

GFE Details...mmmmmm

 

1) 'Full GFE + ' ( okay + what? ) us gents need to ask the question

 

2) 'The ultimate GFE attitude' ( Attitude? we all have attitude right?)

 

3) 'Escorts providing True GFE & PSE ' Some do services that are safe and others do not, such as CBJ VS BBBJ is how I understand this ad.

 

4) 'PSE with Attitude' ( will she spank me too?)

 

5) 'Safe Elite GFE Companionship' ( I think the safe part is the safe to say, and I'm good with safe too :icon_wink: )

 

6) 'Wonderfully Open-minded GFE is a true gem' ( when I go on a date with a lady I'm very open minded too :icon_smile: )

 

7) ' A modern sensual companion' (There is no list of services,there is no menu)

 

8 Off her list of services 'I do not speak greek' but she listed everything else under the sun, and advertises as a GFE provider.

 

9) 'Borderline as a PSE behind closed doors (Does that mean if the door is open the level of service drops off from PSE? LOL just joking folks, when they advertised as such, again it is YMMV.

 

10)'My fees are a reflection of the exceptional service I provide. I genuinely enjoy meeting sophisticated gentlemen whose wish is to indulge in first class companionship'. (She markets herself this way, has no menu!! does not state safe GFE or PSE etc etc, simply has a set rate for time spent with her as she calls it 'room service' I have met her twice and she is exactly like the girl friend experience where there is all types of sexual activities from DFK to BBBJ but again it is YMMV .

 

11) Lastly the ladies that advertise 'packages' they show their rates but not their services or even say if they are GFE or not.

 

 

So us gents are to a degree mis-lead but in fact what the ladies are saying is or can be true it is all in YMMV to perhaps get that extra mileage in a date.

 

Personally, I think us gentlemen love the chase, and love the question and answer relationship with an SP when communicating for a date through email of here through a pm. I normally can tell, and get a very good vibe from a lady through communication.

 

Happy chasing gents!

 

 

' I do hate the term GFE as well '

[LeeRichards 177238]

I know I'm probably going to get jumped on for this and I am repeating myself, but I just want to re-iterate that I believe the term GFE is way over-used. It should not be the distinction between cold and mechanical and unrushed and friendly. It's one thing to say it's about the "experience", but what does that really mean. Just that you're "unrushed" and more "friendly". I believe GFE or not, every SP should be that way.

 

I agree Angela. The term is way overused. I would expect friendly, unrushed, kissing and daty from anyone that advertises GSE. Safe or uncovered is beyond that term.

 

If you expect anything more than that IMO if not advertised you best ask prior to a visit instead of leaving dissapointed.

 

I personally could care less about the GFE / PSE terms. In my experience it is much more in your YMMV the level of service you are going to get. I read what the lady has written in her ad on EC when I first started this hobby, now CERB. You can get a really good feel for the experience you are going to have from their ad, postings on CERB and after an email or two. I personally do love a bbbj of course but if you are with a wonderful lady you like who is "safe" I am more than fine with that too !

 

 

Pete said it : We love the chase :icon_wink:

Communication prior to a meeting..... friendly and fun can really add to the anticipation and the experience .....It is meant to be a great experience for both parties !! I perhaps strayed off the GFE topic there ....

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

Although some people may say it sounds crass to break down GFE as just a series of physical acts like daty, bbbj, etc., and it's the emotional intimacy aspects that are more important. In reality, the physical actions are the primary features, while the emotional intimacy is a secondary feature that emerges out as a result of those actions. Think about what all of these actions represent. They represent a level of intimacy between SP and client where they implicitly trust each other so much that they can even draw each other into their own mouths! The mouth is one of the most personal areas of any person to share with another person. So if you can't kiss, or if you can't do daty or bbbj, then you really don't trust each other enough to have a real emotional intimacy with each other, and it just becomes an acting job.

 

Therefore, True GFE should always be a YMMV possibility between client and SP. It can't be something that is pre-negotiated and agreed to ahead of time, it usually happens on the spur of the moment.

 

 

I agree with what you're saying in regards to the term GFE not being strictly about specific acts. It is also in the SP's attitude and demeanor towards her clients. Chemistry also makes it that much better.

 

As for the term "True GFE", I don't think this term should be considered a new term. You are either a GFE or you aren't. Many women in this business who aren't GFE won't cop to this fact because they are afraid they will lose business. So they throw this term around loosely in their ads. I don't think "true GFE" should even be considered a new acronym because essentially it's still GFE just with a new word added on to it. Many clients are confused already and this new term isn't helping.