COVID-19

[Janebondage 2264]

On 3/4/2020 at 7:46 AM, Mikeyboy said:

 

This should help protect you 😉

 

I am not impressed Mikey 😮, Oh no I am not Mr! 

 

I just spit out perfectly lovely red wine laughing when I saw this. 

💋

[Janebondage 2264]

On 3/11/2020 at 11:00 AM, leon1972 said:

You Might Be Buying a Hand Sanitizer That Won’t Work for Coronavirus

Sanitizers that don’t contain the CDC’s recommended minimum of 60% alcohol are flying off store shelves

Good old bar of Ivory is 99.44% pure, cheaper, way more effective against many viruses and is a decent spot stain remover.

 

 

Thoes that knows me around here know I have a background in lab sciences Immunology/serology/doganostic Microbiology. In aseptic work we use 70% Alcohol. Anything less is often not strong enough. Get into higher like 90% and the alcohol evaporates too quickly to be effect. 

 

[Janebondage 2264]

On 3/4/2020 at 4:43 PM, callofthewild73 said:

Here's a suggestion to find appropriate PPE (Personal Protective Equipment)

 

https://www.invinciblerubber.com

 

Brahhahha ha

Well my kink closet is a mecca of PPE ☺️

[Phaedrus 209521]

7 hours ago, stickybun said:

The demand for SP’s will likely subside as hobbyists will begin to refrain.  SP’s with multiple clients and hobbyists with multiple SP’s will generate a risk.  I can see everyone being careful for a while. Rates might need to come down as an incentive to hobbyists as the demand diminishes. 

Adam Smith's Invisible Hand will continue to guide the market, as always.

And if you don't like the results, there's always Adam Smith's Invisible Hand-job.

[davidfield 216]

With this situation constantly evolving and nearly all public sector working from home and people practicing social distancing, I think SPs should take a break too. I know I have no right to stop people from working, advertising or earning money but some times things need to be changed. It will cause financial hardships, but better than spreading the virus. Search patient 31 for how one person spread it to hundreds in S. Korea. Is it worth it? The way things are moving, soon the chances of someone having an sti will be way less than they having this coronavirus. 

PS: I respect personal decisions, and totally support this hobby. Also, please don't use the argument that as a customer you should make the decision not the SP whether you want to see one or not. Everyone has responsibilities during this time. Now is the time to prove that this hobby is just like any another profession and SPs are caring people. 

[Guest]

26 minutes ago, davidfield said:

With this situation constantly evolving and nearly all public sector working from home and people practicing social distancing, I think SPs should take a break too. I know I have no right to stop people from working, advertising or earning money but some times things need to be changed. It will cause financial hardships, but better than spreading the virus. Search patient 31 for how one person spread it to hundreds in S. Korea. Is it worth it? The way things are moving, soon the chances of someone having an sti will be way less than they having this coronavirus.  

  There a few threads on the matter and many ladies already announced cancellations, limited services and self-quarantine. Providers and clients should be mature enough to evaluate potential risks and make their own decisions. Not everyone work and live in similar environments. What they do in private it's up to them.

[Mikeyboy 27133]

On 3/13/2020 at 1:50 PM, stickybun said:

...Rates might need to come down as an incentive to hobbyists as the demand diminishes. 

 

This doesn't really make sense. I don't see what price has to do with safety. Either people feel it is worth the risk to them to hobby or not. Not sure why saving a few bucks should ever impact anyone's personal risk management decisions. The supply/demand curve pricing model pretty much goes out the window for most people when safety is involved.

There are however those who will try to take advantage of increasingly desperate people in all parts of our society during a crisis, but that isn't something we should ever encourage.

[Rambler1980 1359]

2 hours ago, Mikeyboy said:

 

This doesn't really make sense. I don't see what price has to do with safety. Either people feel it is worth the risk to them to hobby or not. Not sure why saving a few bucks should ever impact anyone's personal risk management decisions. The supply/demand curve pricing model pretty much goes out the window for most people when safety is involved.

There are however those who will try to take advantage of increasingly desperate people in all parts of our society during a crisis, but that isn't something we should ever encourage.

 

Low rates don't lure people to take more risks, it lures the few remaining customers to pick the cheaper provider over the competition. Assuming business is down (and I'm sure it is) then providers maybe should consider adjusting their rate to capture more of the market share.

 

Hmmm, Maybe with people "working from home" it's allowed more men to sneak out so perhaps business is even up for providers? If so they should probably raise rates instead.

 

 

[MsManda 25685]

I'm not going to speak for the entire sw community, but it seems that someone has forgotten that Sp's absorb most of the health risks anyways, and as that risk goes up, I feel, so should our rates.

Any Sp's working during the pandemic should charge more, especially if theyre unable to take this time off. 

I get why many can't /won't do this though, and that's ok too. 

 

People are afraid, and some are scrambling to hustle, while some are out to exploit the situation and deserve to be blocked and barred from ever acquiring any pussy ever again  😂

 

No matter whichever side of the fence you're on, there will be those who choose to hobby through this, and those who choose to stay isolated. I understand and support those who make either choice. I see both sides. No judgement here. 

 

In my humble opinion, I definitely don't think we should be considering taking more risks for less money at all though, and I'm sure those who think we'd lower our rates likely wouldn't work through the pandemic for less than their regular wages either lol

 

Patrons do risk being outed or robbed in this hobby, but we risk those, as well as death and disease, more than the average patron, just to partake in this industry. 

I love my chosen occupation, but the risks shouldn't be forgotten, especially with the cases we've heard about this year.. 

 

In Halifax in particular though, we have a history of pushing through crisis, while maintaining a thriving sex industry through it all 😈 

 

I'm optimistic that the community will pull through this as it always has, especially once the fear settles and the isolation period is over  ❤️

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Rambler1980 said:

 

Low rates don't lure people to take more risks, it lures the few remaining customers to pick the cheaper provider over the competition. Assuming business is down (and I'm sure it is) then providers maybe should consider adjusting their rate to capture more of the market share.

 

Hmmm, Maybe with people "working from home" it's allowed more men to sneak out so perhaps business is even up for providers? If so they should probably raise rates instead.

 

 

   Until we end this period of social distancing, it's a bit premature to talk about setting new rates. The goal of the current situation is to slow down the propagation and avoid infection of vulnerable people. It's a bit irresponsible to drop rates for the purpose of capitalising on the current slow down. If a provider wants to create special rates for safe regulars, that's fine for me. But an invitation to all is bit risky for the moment.

   Once life will return to normal, we'll get a better picture of the state of the economy and see if the rates require an update or not. 

[KylieJane 5044]

Thank you, xo

[KylieJane 5044]

27 minutes ago, MsManda said:

I'm not going to speak for the entire sw community, but it seems that someone has forgotten that Sp's absorb most of the health risks anyways, and as that risk goes up, I feel, so should our rates.

Any Sp's working during the pandemic should charge more, especially if theyre unable to take this time off. 

I get why many can't /won't do this though, and that's ok too. 

 

People are afraid, and some are scrambling to hustle, while some are out to exploit the situation and deserve to be blocked and barred from ever acquiring any pussy ever again  😂

 

No matter whichever side of the fence you're on, there will be those who choose to hobby through this, and those who choose to stay isolated. I understand and support those who make either choice. I see both sides. No judgement here. 

 

In my humble opinion, I definitely don't think we should be considering taking more risks for less money at all though, and I'm sure those who think we'd lower our rates likely wouldn't work through the pandemic for less than their regular wages either lol

 

Patrons do risk being outed or robbed in this hobby, but we risk those, as well as death and disease, more than the average patron, just to partake in this industry. 

I love my chosen occupation, but the risks shouldn't be forgotten, especially with the cases we've heard about this year.. 

 

In Halifax in particular though, we have a history of pushing through crisis, while maintaining a thriving sex industry through it all 😈 

 

I'm optimistic that the community will pull through this as it always has, especially once the fear settles and the isolation period is over  ❤️

 

 

 

 

 

Well said

[Rambler1980 1359]

57 minutes ago, Greenteal said:

   Until we end this period of social distancing, it's a bit premature to talk about setting new rates. The goal of the current situation is to slow down the propagation and avoid infection of vulnerable people. It's a bit irresponsible to drop rates for the purpose of capitalising on the current slow down. If a provider wants to create special rates for safe regulars, that's fine for me. But an invitation to all is bit risky for the moment.

   Once life will return to normal, we'll get a better picture of the state of the economy and see if the rates require an update or not. 

It's never premature, it's up to providers to decide each and everyday what they wish to charge virus or not.  But I was not advocating anyone do anything, its just the economics I was musing about. I believe each provider will have to do what's best for them. I know of one that had a day job and is able to stop working for a month to let the trouble pass, maybe others can raise rates to become exclusive to a smaller group of clients. If I had someone I could afford to pay to be exclusive to me for this period I would do it.

 

[RayRenpelle 429]

Ok, just my opinion. I definitely do not think that providers slashing  the rates is the answer as it may attract unsafe clients in various ways. I also do not think that a rate hike is the answer as some of the regular trustworthy clients may also go through financial setback and it may make the provider out of reach. 

I still feel the best way is to stay the course. Clients can plan and work with present rates. I hope that who feels ill will not go and contaminate sws. I think that most SWs get to know their clients and know the ones that they can have confidence in. I hope we all stay healthy and can work together to weather this

[vector61 12]

Well said Lookingfor.

[Barney 2550]

This could be The End of Time , Stay Safe everyone and help one another as much as you can . Stay Safe

[Zachmont 3826]

My thoughts on the matter are...

If ever there was an argument for legalizing prostitution, here it is. Ladies could work in a secure environment, have their health monitored, and (like the rest of the country) be sent home with pay if they develop symptoms. Similarly, their clients could be monitored upon arrival to ensure they themselves weren't ill (even a simple "thermometer test", as one of the strong symptoms is a fever).

Currently, though, a provider who is just making ends meet (excuse the pun)  has every reason to conceal any symptoms. A client who is thinking with the wrong head can't be trusted not to conceal symptoms.

Hopefully, though, the people most vulnerable (the elderly and the immune-compromised) are intelligent enough to stay away from others til things die down.

 

[Guest]

56 minutes ago, Zachmont said:

My thoughts on the matter are...

If ever there was an argument for legalizing prostitution, here it is. Ladies could work in a secure environment, have their health monitored, and (like the rest of the country) be sent home with pay if they develop symptoms. Similarly, their clients could be monitored upon arrival to ensure they themselves weren't ill (even a simple "thermometer test", as one of the strong symptoms is a fever).

    If all aspects of prostitution were legal, the only thing ladies would get is Employment Insurance benefits for the time being. As for monitoring ladies and clients, this would be like any other private businesses and up to themselves and management. Right now, the priorities are to sustain emergency and essential services. Adult, relaxation and cosmetic services are not part of it. 

   If laws changed, EI would be the only benefit. Some MA's and therapist are maybe entitled to it as independant workers. Something some ladies could explain depending on their own management if main source of income.

[inlove 563]

I think there are two important things

(1) This is a tough time for many service providers. Like many others, the potential reduction in income could make things really tough. So this is an important time to support the industry. 

(2) This also involves taking care of service providers health. It should be normal now to have a client shower immediately on arrival and before any contact. If I was providing I'd want clothes left in a special bag which would be disposed of after the client leaves. 

 

With solid precautions a really good time can be had. And it's important, psychologically and mentally, during this period of stress. 

[Rambler1980 1359]

11 minutes ago, inlove said:

I think there are two important things

(1) This is a tough time for many service providers. Like many others, the potential reduction in income could make things really tough. So this is an important time to support the industry. 

(2) This also involves taking care of service providers health. It should be normal now to have a client shower immediately on arrival and before any contact. If I was providing I'd want clothes left in a special bag which would be disposed of after the client leaves. 

 

With solid precautions a really good time can be had. And it's important, psychologically and mentally, during this period of stress. 

 

Regarding showering and bagging clothes. No harm I suppose but that's NOT on any list of recommended precautions I read about. The virus is in your lungs, IE your mouth. Kissing, coughing, talking, oral sex, etc will transmit the virus like crazy regardless of showering or clothing. Checking clients with a thermometer will have actual tangible benefits but is also not a 100% assurance of safety. 

 

Also the virus lives on surfaces for hours or days depending on the surface and the research so you'd need to disinfect the whole place between visitors. 

 

I'm afraid for both providers and clients alike, we are flaunting the recommendations and spreading the virus by participating in our hobby/profession there's no two ways about it. 

[Rambler1980 1359]

5 hours ago, Zachmont said:

My thoughts on the matter are...

If ever there was an argument for legalizing prostitution, here it is. Ladies could work in a secure environment, have their health monitored, and (like the rest of the country) be sent home with pay if they develop symptoms. Similarly, their clients could be monitored upon arrival to ensure they themselves weren't ill (even a simple "thermometer test", as one of the strong symptoms is a fever).

Currently, though, a provider who is just making ends meet (excuse the pun)  has every reason to conceal any symptoms. A client who is thinking with the wrong head can't be trusted not to conceal symptoms.

Hopefully, though, the people most vulnerable (the elderly and the immune-compromised) are intelligent enough to stay away from others til things die down.

 

 

Were it legalized it would be shut down as part of the health emergency a few days ago or more. I agree the providers might get EI benefits and legalization has many pluses for the providers and clients but they'd all be "officially" suspended by now were it legal. 

[pony1966 1090]

On 3/13/2020 at 6:48 PM, RayRenpelle said:

I agree with Greenteal above. I think it would be unwise at this time for the ladies to start slashing their rates. Present conditions in the Maritimes right now are still quite safe. I feel that if everyone follows the recommendations of the health specialists we should continue to be relatively safe. I feel that providers should have trust in that their regulars will continue to come through for them. By slashing rates they could attract the ones that they have tried to avoid, like unscrupulous ones who care about No one but themselves. I think providers should stay the course for now.

I know I would still pay the regular rate with no issues. If a provider wants to encourage patrons to still book appointments maybe they could offer extra time or spice it up for their regulars. I know I would appreciate it.

[Metalsmith 2983]

In a time where 'social distancing' is being preached by all, and a state of emergency is a high probability to control spread, well, going out for a 'visit' is the opposite of the measures needed, and may contribute to the spread - either directly through contact with someone who is either carrying or infected.  Or, by someone else who would have otherwise stayed home observing someone's activity (driving, visiting, etc) and considering it 'ok' for them to do it too.

Personally - I've contributed a deposit towards a future visit with a provider - when that appointment will be...I have no idea at this point, however, I'm certain that meeting will be enjoyable when it does happen.

I'm not looking for a discount because of the hard times that are coming upon us - that's almost as greasy as the folks who hoard and sell for exorbitant profits.  That said, in a market of supply and demand, there will soon be very limited supply, and a very limited demand...hard times.

[Rassilon 982]

 

 Some advice for crazy and sane people:

  Do not use tin foil hats. Some years ago MIT did a study on them and found that they increase the signal strength of almost all frequencies of wireless communication systems used by major governments.

http://web.archive.org/web/20100708230258/http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/

 

 Thanks for being careful, everyone. I am immune suppressed and appreciate people wanting to stop the spread of CORVID-19. It is amusing to watch the world act like I do every day though. (Except for social distancing that is a special topic that requires a long, boring post.)

 

[davidfield 216]

Well said. Regarding the posts in this thread comparing general health risk of the profession to covid-19 situation is ridiculous. An sti at most will spread two or three times the client's an SP sees. This virus can spread to a community by one person.

Also, it seems like in this thread that money is a major factor - that makes me think that at some point on money vs risk graph, there is an amount you can pay to an SP and have bbfs or other risky endeavours. Hey, it's risky but look at the money.... Also, if a person is on minimum wage and they hit financial troubles this quickly, I can understand. But this hobby isn't minimum wage (well, I don't know if it is, but logic dictates it isn't, if it was, SPs might as well work at Tims instead of this profession - here comes comments with logic of choices and do what you like). 

As far as EI goes, if SP are doing things properly and declaring money they make to govt (under business/consultant category) and contributing to EI, they would have EI. As with any profession (which is not minimum wage or low income), if you don't have money saved to survive at least six months, then I feel sorry for you. It's not a virus fault or govt fault. 

 

On 3/18/2020 at 8:33 AM, Lookingfor said:

The situation of COVID -19 is getting worse every day and the precautions you take should getting higher and higher. So for those of you wishing to continue the process of arguing about a mere dollar instead of taking precautions to prevent people from getting this disease is ridiculous. What everyone should be doing is stopping intimate contact altogether until this problem is solved. It only takes one person to get in the room with COVID -19 and guess what you're going to be spreading it instead of stopping it, it only takes one. Wishing you all the best please be careful and stay safe.