Still working?

[SarahAlexxx 2025]

Not all of us have the option of saving money. 

I pay $800 a month to own a car... I miss one payment, it's gone. I have NEVER been able to live in advance or save money for anything. Luckily, most hobbiest are boomers who have lots of savings after crashing our economy. Why else do you think they have a 'fun' limit of cash they spend on us.

For me, I had to wait to see someone before I could even buy toilet paper or feed myself. The entire month of February, I saw 2 people... I chose rent over food. If you wanna take up issues with what I'm doing, go ahead. But dont you ever come see me if you can't respect me.

I really dont even know why I feel the need to explain myself to you future. But may, just maybe you could open your eyes and realize how seriousness the likelyhood of homelessness is for some of us.

[SarahAlexxx 2025]

Even if I'm not evicted for not paying. I will have to pay that back. So theres the cycle of not getting ahead. 3 months from now, I could be on the streets if I cant pay up. I've now gone from $900/month... to $1800 all because my landlord is a bitch. Seriously though. 

[SarahAlexxx 2025]

If you can afford to be seeing SP's... then you're lucky. I've been trying to save up to get a massage from Steph... but I cant even afford an extra double digits. Who are you to fing judge  Entitled boomers drive me nuts. 

[Rambler1980 1359]

9 hours ago, Katherine of Halifax said:

Sorry Rambler i don't know how i managed to get you in here, ha ha  .  More tomorrow, complicated problem, issue.

 

Ha. You've left me confused but intrigued about your complicated problem. 🙂 

[katie 1337]

1 hour ago, Lookingfor said:

There are other ways to survive besides putting other people at risk including hobbyist and SP worker.  There is no excuse for any SP or HOBBYIST doing what they are doing right now stop making excuses. They are doing something  that will affect other people's lives by spreading this virus. Just like you said they don't actually know how many cases are out there and these individuals are still doing what you shouldn't be doing there is no excuse so stop making them. Please stop with the money I've been self-employed  almost all my life  i learned how to save money  for Hard Times . Please be safe.

Surviving Is No Excuse! 

[davidfield 216]

It's the same logic people give when talking about climate change. Our collective greed (yes, greed not survival) has destroyed the earth and we are still doing it in this situation. 

And yes, everyone judges every one. Stop lying to yourself that there is something called "no judgement". You really think these positive messages from clients are true and without judgment? 

If SPs shouldn't be judged for working, then what wrong restaurant workers did that they are being forced not to work? What wrong taxi drivers did they are losing jobs? What wrong people coming from outside did that they have to stay indoors for 14 days? It's unfair when one part of society comes with survival theory and justifies their actions while another part of society is locked in their homes.... 

During the last economic recession, probably a Wall Street guy had same logic - I need money to pay for my car - and they did everything to 'survive' resulting in hundreds of suicides and people losing everything they owned. But hey, let's not judge Wall St, they were trying to survive. 

 

1 hour ago, SarahAlexxx said:

Not all of us have the option of saving money. 

I pay $800 a month to own a car... I miss one payment, it's gone. I have NEVER been able to live in advance or save money for anything. Luckily, most hobbiest are boomers who have lots of savings after crashing our economy. Why else do you think they have a 'fun' limit of cash they spend on us.

For me, I had to wait to see someone before I could even buy toilet paper or feed myself. The entire month of February, I saw 2 people... I chose rent over food. If you wanna take up issues with what I'm doing, go ahead. But dont you ever come see me if you can't respect me.

I really dont even know why I feel the need to explain myself to you future. But may, just maybe you could open your eyes and realize how seriousness the likelyhood of homelessness is for some of us.

3 hours ago, katie said:

Exactly! We are in this for the Long Haul. Canada has more "Postive Cases" than they think. They just aren't "Testing Enough". New Bruswick Has More Cases, they aren't testing enough. Most likely the case all around, in most parts of Canada. Clovid 19 has hit Canada before they said it did. Anyways, Shaming SP's choosing to work.. No way! There's No Shaming the Hobbyist for still Hobbying! It's one's choice, their own decision. Everyone needs to survive, weather it's a Virus Crisis, War, or whichever. There will be one's the "Still Seek" and there will be one's the "Still Provide". Unless your going to open your Pocket Books .. Don't Judge. Everyone needs to Survive ... Including You! 

 

 

[OldandNerdy 1303]

This thread is starting to get a little out of hand, especially for a "positive focused" forum.

 

In the end everyone participating in this forum is an adult, and allowed to make their own choices about their risk levels and their health.

 

We are all anxious about what is going on right now globally but this is no excuse for the lack of respect and shaming I've seen going on in this thread.  

 

 

[Guest]

     Most responsible adults can make their own risks assessments depending on their locations, travels and social lives(or lack of) and take their own decisions.

     Also, most of us can't lock ourselves in our houses/apartments and access unlimited ressources without contacts for the entire duration of this crisis. Eventually we got to choose between starvation or minimal possibility of exposure in one form or an other.

     There's no point in judging anyone. We all got different lives and make our own decisions.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Lookingfor said:

When your decisions start affecting other people's lives I'm pretty sure you made the wrong decision. I'm done with thread it's like talking to a wall. It's like you're blind to what's going on.

   Those "people" know their risks, unless from unwanted contacts.

One day or the other we'll all be infected and either suffer from mild symptoms to possible death. Until a vaccine or cure is found, nothing will change. The goal of flattening the curve is not to completely stop the spread, but to simply slow it down to not overwhelm hospitals.

We don't need the Russian, China and North Korea's options of starvation or a bullet to the head. And we're doing much better than European countries who used the "rip the band-aid off" approach and currently use arenas as morgues.

Canada is riding a nice middle line. If you want to lock yourself in, go ahead. But please don't judge others.

[Rambler1980 1359]

21 minutes ago, Greenteal said:

   Those "people" know their risks, unless from unwanted contacts.

One day or the other we'll all be infected and either suffer from mild symptoms to possible death. Until a vaccine or cure is found, nothing will change. The goal of flattening the curve is not to completely stop the spread, but to simply slow it down to not overwhelm hospitals.

We don't need the Russian, China and North Korea's options of starvation or a bullet to the head. And we're doing much better than European countries who used the "rip the band-aid off" approach and currently use arenas as morgues.

Canada is riding a nice middle line. If you want to lock yourself in, go ahead. But please don't judge others.

 

I think emergency morgues are in our future too.

 

Flattening the curve is about reducing the pressure on the healthcare system but it also is key to full on stopping the virus sooner. In worst case conditions the virus infects 2.5 people for every person who contracts it, but with all our efforts we can reduce it and each person who stays inside or who gets the virus and recovers (becomes immune) it creates more and more distance between vulnerable people and makes it harder to spread. Once we "turn the corner" and the infection rate is not 2.5 people but less than 1  the virus will all but disappear from our population (over time). Using some desease spread calculators even if we turned the corner tomorrow we will still be well past 100 days before we are back down to the 3000 covid cases we have right now. That's 3+ months (at least) before we return to the levels we are at today. Doesn't mean 3 months of total lockdown but through isolation, immunity or vaccinations that transmission rate must get below 1 and stay below 1 or else the virus is growing and spreading. 

 

Due to the added time Canada's had to get ready and benefiting from others experiences I do feel we are better off than other countries but don't think this isn't going to hit us hard. We should expect to struggle through isolation longer than other countries due to our advanced warnings (not a bad thing, just ugh).

 

 

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Rambler1980 said:

Flattening the curve is about reducing the pressure on the healthcare system but it also is key to full on stopping the virus sooner. 

   I don't quite agree with that part. We can choose a steep curve with a quicker ending or flatten it with lower current cases on a more extended period. Keep in mind China has been dealing with this for over a year and only recently started to ease some restrictions.

   The Spanish Flu lasted almost 3 years and killed between 20 and 40 million people . Modern medicine and better communication will certainly help avoiding those stats, but we shouldn't depend on miracles.

   We're lucky 80% of Canadians are taking this seriously enough to take basic precautions. While in the U.S. they got a frightening 50/50 split depending on pollical and religious ideologies. Until a vaccine or cure is found, the virus will not be stopped. Between 3 and 4% of the population won't survive and the rest will build some kind of immunity until a the next strain comes along. It's not a question of if, but simply of when.

[Rambler1980 1359]

1 hour ago, Greenteal said:

   I don't quite agree with that part. We can choose a steep curve with a quicker ending or flatten it with lower current cases on a more extended period. Keep in mind China has been dealing with this for over a year and only recently started to ease some restrictions.

   The Spanish Flu lasted almost 3 years and killed between 20 and 40 million people . Modern medicine and better communication will certainly help avoiding those stats, but we shouldn't depend on miracles.

   We're lucky 80% of Canadians are taking this seriously enough to take basic precautions. While in the U.S. they got a frightening 50/50 split depending on pollical and religious ideologies. Until a vaccine or cure is found, the virus will not be stopped. Between 3 and 4% of the population won't survive and the rest will build some kind of immunity until a the next strain comes along. It's not a question of if, but simply of when.

 

I said "sooner", you are right that was incorrect. I should have said safer (due to reduced deaths and herd immunity building). 

 

Your estimate of 100% infection and 3-4% of the population dying is WAY higher than any estimate I've seen. There is nobody predicting a worldwide 3-4% death rate. You can get 3.5% if you divide deaths by confirmed cases but those counts are way off for a variety of reasons. Plus the infection rate is predicted to be in the 60-80% of the population by the end of this, not 100%. 

 

 

 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Rambler1980 said:

Plus the infection rate is predicted to be in the 60-80% of the population by the end of this, not 100%. 

Anyone living in a civilized country will be infected one way or the other.

More isolated populations will be spared. But it only takes one infected tourist/explorer to change that.

[Rambler1980 1359]

9 minutes ago, Greenteal said:

Anyone living in a civilized country will be infected one way or the other.

 

Not true but believe what you will. No where near 100% infected and no where near 3-4% global deaths. 

In the 1918 Spanish Flu 25-33% of the world population was infected.

Some recent sources (worldwide vs "civilized" countries vs death rate)

March 19th  Harvard researchers predict a 25% worldwide infection rate in the journal of Nature and Medicine 

March 16th  Imperial College of London predicts a worst case US&UK combined infection rate of 80% if the pandemic is unchecked

March 13th Dr. Anthony Fauci says CDC believes actual death rate closer to 1% 

This still puts worldwide deaths at like Spanish Flu levels of 50 million which is staggering. 

 

I don't see the point in arguing it further, neither of us can predict the future, only time will tell. 

[rubylabellexo 1144]

It's not fair to blame the SW choosing to continue in-person bookings in order to keep food in the fridge and a roof over their heads - blame the world we live in where people are still being forced to pay rent while unable to work. Blame the fact that SWs (independent contractors) are not able to access things like EI benefits. Things are even worse in the US, where plenty of providers I follow are genuinely fearful that they will be evicted. None of them want to be taking these risks in the middle of a pandemic.

I'm in a privileged position to be able to not see clients for a while. In any case, NZ has gone into lockdown for 4 weeks and I'm staying put at a friend's place, only allowed to leave for groceries and walks around the neighbourhood. How long until Canada does something equally strict? If you're concerned about SW offering bookings, send them some money to help them avoid that choice if you can.

While I and many others are moving towards online work, that market is quite saturated. Things aren't as simple as they might seem on the surface.

[rubylabellexo 1144]

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/news/2020/03/introduces-canada-emergency-response-benefit-to-help-workers-and-businesses.html?fbclid=IwAR2b05v5Z0gVIxXy3Le64B8osOkc_q-AHJlLYbtXKOs5rdmbIrOmACEtAHU

 

This is in, and it's about time. Hopefully Canadian sex workers can access this without issue, because it's really in the public's best interest that they have the ability to stay home and not see clients in person if possible!

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, rubylabellexo said:

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/news/2020/03/introduces-canada-emergency-response-benefit-to-help-workers-and-businesses.html?fbclid=IwAR2b05v5Z0gVIxXy3Le64B8osOkc_q-AHJlLYbtXKOs5rdmbIrOmACEtAHU

 

This is in, and it's about time. Hopefully Canadian sex workers can access this without issue, because it's really in the public's best interest that they have the ability to stay home and not see clients in person if possible!

  As I mentioned in another thread on the subject, there's something for "wage earners and self-employed individuals, including contract workers, who would not otherwise be eligible for Employment Insurance". I don't know the details of it, but eligibility will likely depend if income is managed like a business or sideline.

[rubylabellexo 1144]

As long as people have been filing their taxes appropriately and including SW-related income, it should apply! Some don't, of course, but in my experience the majority of SW who are doing this for more than a little bit of side income are paying their taxes.

[redmana2 2754]

I don't want to pass judgement either, everyone has their own life and obligations and needs. Myself, I am taking a break for as long as it takes. I've gone without sex for long enough periods of my life that I know I'll survive. 

I will point out that long before COVID-19, there were other less contagious reasons to be cautious of this hobby of ours. 44 of Newfoundland's 67 cases can be traced back to one traveller who went to a funeral instead of self isolating. In a week that could be 400, in another 4,000, in another 40,000. I won't have that on my conscience. And the day it safe enough to visit an escort again, I'll remember who kept working. That's not judging, it's risk management. 

[Halihotfun 28]

Wishing you the best in these times Sarahalexxx

[davidfield 216]

Filling taxes is a good idea. I totally understand some people have situation where they can't. Biggest benefit is that if you register your work as business, you can claim travel, rent and car payment towards taxes. Few SPs I know have 'personal wellness consultant' as their main business category. 

Doing so will also help with credit history and RRSP for old times. Credit score allows you to pay less in car payments/mortgage. Yes, it sounds great to not paying taxes, but individual benefits over long term are way more than what you put in. Again, I am not judging whether you pay tax or not. Just suggesting that everyone should. Another trick is not declare all of income, just declare enough to keep tax man happy. 

2 hours ago, SarahAlexxx said:

Unfortunately, I'm not one of those who do. So, still wont apply to me. 😕

 

[davidfield 216]

I would suggest talking to established SPs and see how they do it and learn from them. 

Wish I worked for CRA 😂

14 minutes ago, SarahAlexxx said:

I would love to, I'm just not sure how to, or if it's even legal under law. My big worry is being audited and it getting any of YOU in trouble. It's not that I'm trying to avoid it because I'm a liar. Its that in terrified and still fairly new to the lifestyle. Its help I need, not judgement. Lol. If any of ya'll work for CRA or lawyer... maybe some advice would be awesome. 

 

[katie 1337]

58 minutes ago, SarahAlexxx said:

I would love to, I'm just not sure how to, or if it's even legal under law. My big worry is being audited and it getting any of YOU in trouble. It's not that I'm trying to avoid it because I'm a liar. Its that in terrified and still fairly new to the lifestyle. Its help I need, not judgement. Lol. If any of ya'll work for CRA or lawyer... maybe some advice would be awesome. 

I haven't Claimed Taxes of this Hobby eiher. However, I am going to start. I got some info from another SP that has been for a few years now. It sure its as bad as I thought. Example: Claim As a An Adult Entertainer, You also can claim the bare min, claim expenses. In the end, you Don't Owe the Government anything. 

Sara, I will talk to my Friend (SP) that you want to know more info about this, and maybe she will Reach Out to you...She can answer your questions .. 😘

[katie 1337]

Since I've started in this Hobby as a Service Provider, there were times I worked Full-Time and did Hosting on the side. Also, times I hosted Full-Time, with this being my only income. Working Full-Time, you dis your yearly taxes, and didn't claim the Hosting you did part time. However, Hosting Full-Time and not Filing an Income tax, does have its Negative Outcomes .. Like the sitation many are in now. I am and will be Claiming this now, as it does have positive outcomes. Claiming this hobby sure isn't what I thought it would be. I should of been doing this before, but better late than never. 👄

[redmana2 2754]

2 hours ago, SarahAlexxx said:

I would love to, I'm just not sure how to, or if it's even legal under law. My big worry is being audited and it getting any of YOU in trouble. It's not that I'm trying to avoid it because I'm a liar. Its that in terrified and still fairly new to the lifestyle. Its help I need, not judgement. Lol. If any of ya'll work for CRA or lawyer... maybe some advice would be awesome. 

Im a CA/CPA. All income earned, whether through legal or illegal activities, is taxable in Canada. CRA Wants their cut either way. It is legal to sell sexual services in Canada, so you're good either way. Unless you are keeping invoices with client's real names, contact info and SIN's the likelihood of getting a client in trouble is nil. 

If you've already filed taxes for 2019 or prior years it could create a problem to now go back and amend returns and report self employed income. You'd perhaps have penalties for falsely filing the originals. Amending one year would not create a problem unless you omitted income in the past. If you haven't been filing you still can, however, you'd need to reconstruct income and expense for 2019. 

It would also be difficult to resolve this on a timely basis. Getting sometime to prepare your returns & having CRA process them will take time.