Suggestions/ideas to bring in more Millenials to strip clubs

[castle 38816]

 

 

 

 

12 minutes ago, Greenteal said:

    I highly doubt academic establishments would invite someone who made a successful career after dropping out of school/college. 

    

Kind of proving my point for me.  Part of the purpose of those speaking events would be dispelling this old-guard stereotype that all dancers are uneducated high school/college dropouts.  It's worth noting that plenty of dancers and other sex workers are also current students.  And that plenty of former dancers are graduates.   

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, castle said:

Kind of proving my point for me.  Part of the purpose of those speaking events would be dispelling this old-guard stereotype that all dancers are uneducated high school/college dropouts.  It's worth noting that plenty of dancers and other sex workers are also current students.  And that plenty of former dancers are graduates.   

  No matter if a temporary or long term career choice, I doubt colleges will want to promote alternative source of income when internships programs exist in many sectors.

  I understand what you're saying. But other than social science related classes, I don't see this happening.

[rocky racoon 2915]

23 hours ago, castle said:

Just off the top of my head, but for strip clubs that want to appear less "shady" for lack of a better term, maybe involving themselves more positively in the community could be a good look for their overall image.  Maybe have some willing bar staff and/or dancers participate in community charity events under the banner of the club.   Maybe delivering supplies to heavily impacted homes and communities.   Not only is that needed right now, but I doubt that it would go unnoticed.   

 

Doing charity work with women's shelters would go a long way to dispelling that exploitative image.  

 

Or when things are up and running again, willing and able dancers could perhaps do speaking events at colleges and the like, dispelling the myths and stereotypes of the industry while highlighting its positive aspects in an honest and straightforward way.  Not so much as a recruitment tool, but more like a Ted Talk type of thing.  

 

There are probably some logistical hurdles with some of that (as with anything), but I'm just brainstorming.  

Interesting, Castle. I don't think this would change much in the short term, but could be a good tool to change the perception in the long run.

 

I could see TEDtalks like these, but with strippers specifically:

https://www.ted.com/talks/miranda_kane_fighting_stigma_with_storytelling_lessons_from_a_former_sex_worker

https://www.ted.com/talks/juno_mac_the_laws_that_sex_workers_really_want/discussion

https://www.ted.com/talks/nicole_emma_what_a_sex_worker_can_teach_us_about_human_connection

I wonder if the U.of O. would be open to a conference about sex work? They already have some very progressive teachers there like Christine Bruckert. I've already heard some sex-positive (and very smart and articulate) strippers tell me "they could write a book about strip clubs". Well a talk might be another way to spread more positivism about those places.

 

(Now waiting for Greenteal to tell me this is a horrible idea, and it's never gonna work, and It's not gonna change anything, and the industry is doomed, and there's nothing we can do, and there's too many obstacles, etc. 😉😋 )

 

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, rocky racoon said:

(Now waiting for Greenteal to tell me this is a horrible idea, and it's never gonna work, and It's not gonna change anything, and the industry is doomed, and there's nothing we can do, and there's too many obstacles, etc. 😉😋 )

     In my previous comment, I already mentioned ladies could be welcomed to talk for social sciences related subjects. And I never said the industry was "doomed", but simply that the current business model was ridiculously outdated.

     if you want to ignore my suggestions, that fine. Shouldn't take many years to see who was right.

    Take care.

[Andee 220524]

Sounds like a push to turn dancers into MAs or SPs. Also DJs, like the girls do not get paid by the club, they rely on the fees paid by the dancers.

[LuxeMulvari 65764]

I stopped dancing in Canada because :

 

*Not being allowed to dance to music I like or is at least current. I'm an older Millennial, I know most of these top 80's and 90's songs and it's sucks for me, I can only imagine someone younger who is totally unfamiliar with the sound and vibe. Not sexy. 

* People trying to touch me inappropriately( grabbing my breasts, pinching/biting my nipples, licking me, trying to shove fingers up me)  and without trying to compensate me for it at that. Frankly it's scary and super uncomfortable when someone does that to me without asking. TBH it's assault. I remember the days guys got bounced out of the clubs and their heads for that. 

* Having to go on stage for free, actually I pay to go on stage with my fees. Anyone who's seen me dance knows I can do some pretty sweet pole tricks. I stopped really performing and do the bare minimum on stage since I figured what's the point? It's pervert row and is usually comprised of the guys who come in and buy 10$ drink to sip all night " I aM jUsT HEre to WatCh the ShOW" Ok well, thats fine and dandy, but you can pull out a few toonies or *gasp* a Laurier and tip for the LITERAL acrobats we are doing right in front of you. In Calgary, loonies are standard,   U.S.A ones are flying, it's not unusual to get 20's. Thats why all the millennial dancers  are going there.

*No enthusiasm from customers. 2005-2010 guys were so over the moon when walked to their table. Now they treat us like the plague because we want dances. Like I'm here to perform for you! NAKED!

* "WhAT Do I gET if I Go In the Back?" For 20$? a lap dance. Clubs are avoided by newbies and veterans alike because they've literally become low end brothels. Why would I do that when I can post an ad, stay home, spend time with men that really like me and be better compensated?

Strippers are just that, strippers. If they wanted to do more they'd be escorts (like myself). We usually get fired for doing extras, not to mention other dancers are not really fans of the girls that do extras in the club so that makes for a great work environment. Also, if  management gets wind, you're done everywhere in that city. 

I started as a dancer, I left in this country because the vibe is just shit here now. Many of my fellow millennials feel the same way and just host privately or travel, lots less headache and stress for more return on investment.

 

Suggestions:

* TIP YOUR DANCERS, ESPECIALLY ON STAGE!!!! This goes without saying. If you paid to go to work and you on stage killing yourself to only blank stares and drooling drunks, it looses it appeal real fast. Make it fun and appealing for us and reciprocate our energy! We love to perform thats why we're performers, we like to go where our fans are. Show us you're a fan by tipping and we will return! 

 

* When a lady comes over, say hello! Even if you're not interested, you don't have to treat us like lepers! We have feelings too 🙂 Be polite, smile, ask how her night is. Just pretend its a normal night club and we're normal women. How would you talk to a woman who approached you in civvie bar? Use that. You can decline dances, but still be nice. It's not hard. If a lady sits with you for over 3 songs and you're enjoying her company , tip her. She's entertaining you, and she paid to be there, but is choosing instead of looking for someone else, to spend her time with you and keep you company. It's not hard to appreciate and compensate her for that. After all that's why you're there 😉

 

* DONT ASK FOR EXTRAS! When I go to dance, I'm there to dance. I'm also an escort so  I have different physical boundaries, but many ladies who dance aren't comfortable going further than that, if they were they probably wouldn't be dancers. Many of my colleagues have quit to find other jobs or go to other countries because they signed up to dance, not to perform sex acts. It makes a lot of ladies super uncomfortable and leave a club  quickly if they know they will have to do extras to compete. If you'd like more, offer to see her outside of work. Don't expect to pay usual rates, strippers rates are usually much higher since they aren't as accessible sexually as other sex workers.

 

* DON'T TOUCH YOUR DANCERS WITHOUT PERMISSION! 

All the points above, plus CONSENT is thing, whether I'm naked or not, a stripper, escort, whatever. Ask me before you touch me, don't assume like everything else in life. I'm a woman first. Everything else label wise is secondary. 

 

All these points used to be standard, they are still now, but somehow along the way things got shitty, and that's why no one dances over here anymore. Clubs in other countries are booming and women flock in droves. At the end of the day, I guess it's on the clients to make it an environment that dancers actually want to spend their hard earned money to work in. At 40$ to 100$ a shift, for that kind of investment it needs be a good positive environment that I'm happy to work and be in. The strip club used to be my favourite place in the whole world, I'd leave parties in university to go to work I loved it that much. The lights, the noise, the shoes (!!!!!) and the best part, the men smiling at me, telling me wonderful things and so happy I'm there!!!!! Regardless of the money, the energy was fabulous, the patrons were like kids at Disneyland.

Now, in Canada, I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole. What changed? The vibe, and the patrons, sullen resentful, looking at floor without even looking at us, waving us away without so much as a hello, expecting full service for 40$, the list goes on . You can be doing literal backflips on stage and maybe get a clap. It's depressing ASF and honestly, I'd rather just post my ad and have someone come over who's actually happy to see me. 

 

This millennial misses it terribly. I MISS MY CLEAR SHOES!!! 🙂

 

 

 

[Guest]

51 minutes ago, LuxeMulvari said:

*Not being allowed to dance to music I like or is at least current. I'm an older Millennial, I know most of these top 80's and 90's songs and it's sucks for me, I can only imagine someone younger who is totally unfamiliar with the sound and vibe. Not sexy. 

      I agree with the vast majority of your complaints. But in regard to the choice of music, this has more to do with the willingness of each establishment to buy the rights for more recent music. In Canada, U.S., Europe and other countries where copyright laws are enforced, businesses have to pay licensing fees to play protected music. And that, no matter if part of a performance or just for background. Reason why many public places will only play cover bands, instrumental versions or old public domain music. 

    I understand your frustration. But for that one, it's not just a stripper bar thing.

[Beldivok 224]

Thank you luxe,. I was always a fan of you on stage, but never trailed much.  I agree with your perspective almost completely.  

I think the club's in Ottawa are unsure of how to define themselves.  It's also cheaper and easier to allow thing's than enforce rules, that would require management to plan and manage properly, which is more work than normal bar  manager's have...  

So they resort to lowest effort / cheaper management...

[1963Kennedy 10698]

Luxe: have to agree with pretty much everything you have said.  I'm always happy to see the ladies and over the last year or two I find myself tipping for good stage show and/or sitting with me for more than 2 songs.  Of course I do take my ATF (of the last 3 yrs)  for private dances.  As I've said before here MPs have exploded whereas SCs are in decline. The customer in a MP knows pretty much exactly what he is going to get and what it is going to cost. In a SC you can go from 100 to 200 in the blink of an eye. However, a SC is much more fun for both customer and dancer.  I hope the industry (SC) gets it business sorted out and brings back the "fun".