No Shows!

[CarmenSantana 31]

I’ve been wanting to discuss this for a few years now. 
I’ve been working in kitchener/Waterloo for about a year and, idk what’s going on but recently a lot of “clients” have been playing games?! Saying they’re at my place, ask for the room number and never show up. I’m not new to this, “clients” have done it before but, when you get 7-8 in one day... it’s annoying af! 
I be always wondered what they get out of it and, if they’re even potential “clients”? 
people have told me some of the girls do it too? Idk? It’s just weird like, where’s the fun in that? 

[Guest lydiahardwood]

7-8 in one day! 😱 What a nightmare, sorry this keeps happening to you!

[waterat 20911]

Wow, that's disturbing to hear, Carmen! There have been other locally posted threads describing the same problem elsewhere so hopefully this general area post will generate some 'management' approaches offered by other ladies. Sadly this problem is not unique to K-W. As a client I would never do that: a rude, mean waste of time. A number of years ago there was a thread here in Ottawa referring to what you've described as being 'address' or 'location' collectors.

One obvious suggestion is to collect a deposit on booking. I suppose there are many clients who might be reluctant to do this but if it became standard practice for most SWrs it might help. I would have no reservation providing a deposit to a lady with a recommendation and a reputation here on lyla (in fact, I usually just pay in full by e-transfer ahead of time, it's easier). The issue of discrete payment may deter some clients but if deposits became de rigueur they would get their shit together and make a discrete arrangement for deposits/payment.

Hopefully other SPs will have other suggestions. This is an important topic for all participants here, both providers and clients alike, as this behavior is damaging to the whole industry.

[NotchJohnson 214123]

I wrote something about this a year or 2 ago where a lady was visiting and because she had over 5 "no show" the day before she cancelled our date the day of our scheduled meeting.  So to the gents that do this you are not only affecting the girls but us guys as well.

[roamingguy 300292]

It sure sounds strange, and no it's not a funny practical joke, it's something that hurts someone's livelihood...yes this lifestyle is for companions their livelihood, their source of income to pay bills, rent, mortgage etc etc etc.  You'd have to be pretty sick to do that.  How'd you like it if the boss calls you in to your job for OT and once you get there, there isn't any work to do?  Closest analogy I can come up with

And if it's other companions why would you do something to hurt another lady?  And yes, you'd think companions most of all would know stunts like this hurt each other.  It's malicious and short sighted to say the least

Clients when booking, besides providing screening info can also pay the lady a deposit (or in full) in advance.  That way the lady (especially in the case of a new client) knows he's a genuine client, and not going to be a NCNS.  Bonus is the business part of the date is looked after before the date even begins (I've already paid three ladies in full for dates that have yet to be scheduled because of the current covid climate...but you'll read about those dates later in the reco forums 😉) 

Clients (and possibly some companions too) need to stop playing games like this.  This lifestyle is, well can and should be a mutually beneficial lifestyle.  NCNS "games" benefit no one, not companions nor client

A rambling over cup number one

RG

[Allie Zeon 2925]

10 hours ago, CarmenSantana said:

I’ve been wanting to discuss this for a few years now. 
I’ve been working in kitchener/Waterloo for about a year and, idk what’s going on but recently a lot of “clients” have been playing games?! Saying they’re at my place, ask for the room number and never show up. I’m not new to this, “clients” have done it before but, when you get 7-8 in one day... it’s annoying af! 
I be always wondered what they get out of it and, if they’re even potential “clients”? 
people have told me some of the girls do it too? Idk? It’s just weird like, where’s the fun in that? 

"they" must text you instead of calling, and it's most probably done by 1 or 2 persons, either a competitor, her pimp or her boyfriend.

I had similar experience a while back in Richmond Hill.  But after i look so many massage parlors within few blocks away from my hotel and the closest one was simply across the street, I assumed those texts and time wasters were created by them, or at least one of them.

This is the reason that i no longer accept texts from strangers.

 

Kitchener is pretty lucrative market and i am not surprised you have this issue.

Change the way you screen and i'm pretty sure you will be fine

 

Good luck

[NotchJohnson 214123]

When i first started this lifestyle I had booked a lady in Montreal by text.  She told me to get to a certain address and there was a payphone where I had to call her from before she would give out her apartment building # with her floor and door#.  First she would recognize the phone# and she could look outside to see who it was.

[Deanna Delight 155]

The way I deal with no shows is to have them confirm our meeting 2 hours before we are to meet. It takes me about 2 hours to get ready for them and I tell them I won't get ready until I receive confirmation. That saves me my time and makeup and works most of the time but not always. If they confirm and still don't show, I block them.

[CarmenSantana 31]

11 hours ago, NotchJohnson said:

I wrote something about this a year or 2 ago where a lady was visiting and because she had over 5 "no show" the day before she cancelled our date the day of our scheduled meeting.  So to the gents that do this you are not only affecting the girls but us guys as well.

This is what I told a client the other day! These so called “clients” are ruined it for everyone. 
We’ll never be able to make sense of this? 🤷🏻‍♀️

[CarmenSantana 31]

1 hour ago, Deanna Delight said:

The way I deal with no shows is to have them confirm our meeting 2 hours before we are to meet. It takes me about 2 hours to get ready for them and I tell them I won't get ready until I receive confirmation. That saves me my time and makeup and works most of the time but not always. If they confirm and still don't show, I block them.

Good idea! 
Sadly some of them don’t really care smh. 

I always block them but, the dedicated ones just get a new text me app number and do it again. This is so frustrating!!! 

[CarmenSantana 31]

6 hours ago, Allie Zeon said:

"they" must text you instead of calling, and it's most probably done by 1 or 2 persons, either a competitor, her pimp or her boyfriend.

I had similar experience a while back in Richmond Hill.  But after i look so many massage parlors within few blocks away from my hotel and the closest one was simply across the street, I assumed those texts and time wasters were created by them, or at least one of them.

This is the reason that i no longer accept texts from strangers.

 

Kitchener is pretty lucrative market and i am not surprised you have this issue.

Change the way you screen and i'm pretty sure you will be fine

 

Good luck

Thank you. 

[CarmenSantana 31]

9 hours ago, roamingguy said:

It sure sounds strange, and no it's not a funny practical joke, it's something that hurts someone's livelihood...yes this lifestyle is for companions their livelihood, their source of income to pay bills, rent, mortgage etc etc etc.  You'd have to be pretty sick to do that.  How'd you like it if the boss calls you in to your job for OT and once you get there, there isn't any work to do?  Closest analogy I can come up with

And if it's other companions why would you do something to hurt another lady?  And yes, you'd think companions most of all would know stunts like this hurt each other.  It's malicious and short sighted to say the least

Clients when booking, besides providing screening info can also pay the lady a deposit (or in full) in advance.  That way the lady (especially in the case of a new client) knows he's a genuine client, and not going to be a NCNS.  Bonus is the business part of the date is looked after before the date even begins (I've already paid three ladies in full for dates that have yet to be scheduled because of the current covid climate...but you'll read about those dates later in the reco forums 😉) 

Clients (and possibly some companions too) need to stop playing games like this.  This lifestyle is, well can and should be a mutually beneficial lifestyle.  NCNS "games" benefit no one, not companions nor client

A rambling over cup number one

RG

I would absolutely love it if I could request a deposit. It’s a very good idea but, unfortunately some of the “ladies” in the industry ruined that for us as well smh. 
I never understood that either? Why rip someone off, a potential regular client for a little deposit? Use your brain and think about how much you’ll benefit by them trusting you and coming back. Ugh... common sense, isn’t really common anymore. LOL! 

[CarmenSantana 31]

13 hours ago, lydiahardwood said:

7-8 in one day! 😱 What a nightmare, sorry this keeps happening to you!

Thank you,

Yes!!! 7-8 in one day is ridiculous!! 
That just discouraged me and I stopped working for over a month.
By me not working for over a month, I fell into depression and didn’t want to do anything with my days. It may seem a bit extreme to some but, I felt like it was something I did you know? They don’t understand how this could effect someone?! I have a daughter, she needs me at my best! These ppl are so inconsiderate, they have no idea how deep it can go. 

[Deanna Delight 155]

That’s too bad Carmen. That can put you in a depression and doubt yourself. I’m happy you got over it though. You just have try and keep your self esteem and tell yourself that these people are all losers and missed out on the best time of their lifetime experience. 

[newfy 167]

After being in business in the automotive industry for the past 40 plus years, I just chalk this up to dealing with humans. I can't remember a day that I didn't have a no show. They had confirmed the day  or evening before and still don't make it. I have heard every excuse in the book and I can feel your frustration but you are still dealing with humans. It's funny because I would book more work than a day could fill but with knowing I would get No-shows it all worked out. I also understand double booking to make sure that their was always work  but I only got stuck maybe 2 or 3 times in 40 years. I would give discount or work late. I also remembered that I was not the only show in town. 

       Recently I was going to a meeting with a nice girl and it was quite foggy outside. Gps sent me to an address that I could not see any numbers. Back and forth texts became frustrating and the girl called me names for wasting her time. She sent me the wrong address.  2181 blank street instead of 1281.  I have been ghosted and double booked. Sat outside waiting for 1/2 hours.  I keep telling myself that we are dealing with humans who at best are sometimes reliable. 

      Ask your Dr. or Dentist how many times a day a patient No-shows or shows up late. Look at the recent pandemic and ask why patients make appointments at 6 different testing sites so if they go to the first they can leave and go to another if the line is too long.

       All service industries are susceptible to this behavior. I spent 15 years in partnership in the restaurant business along with the automotive industry. I will leave it to you to count the No-shows both in customers and staff. I have no answer and I feel your pain but again, you're dealing with humans. In most cases these are married men who have been undertaking extra-curricular  activities and are already hiding something

    Take care of yourself and worry about or focus on  the good clients and the No-shows will take care of themselves. . 

 

 

[CarmenSantana 31]

6 hours ago, Deanna Delight said:

That’s too bad Carmen. That can put you in a depression and doubt yourself. I’m happy you got over it though. You just have try and keep your self esteem and tell yourself that these people are all losers and missed out on the best time of their lifetime experience. 

Thank you so much, I really appreciate it. 😘

[CarmenSantana 31]

2 hours ago, newfy said:

After being in business in the automotive industry for the past 40 plus years, I just chalk this up to dealing with humans. I can't remember a day that I didn't have a no show. They had confirmed the day  or evening before and still don't make it. I have heard every excuse in the book and I can feel your frustration but you are still dealing with humans. It's funny because I would book more work than a day could fill but with knowing I would get No-shows it all worked out. I also understand double booking to make sure that their was always work  but I only got stuck maybe 2 or 3 times in 40 years. I would give discount or work late. I also remembered that I was not the only show in town. 

       Recently I was going to a meeting with a nice girl and it was quite foggy outside. Gps sent me to an address that I could not see any numbers. Back and forth texts became frustrating and the girl called me names for wasting her time. She sent me the wrong address.  2181 blank street instead of 1281.  I have been ghosted and double booked. Sat outside waiting for 1/2 hours.  I keep telling myself that we are dealing with humans who at best are sometimes reliable. 

      Ask your Dr. or Dentist how many times a day a patient No-shows or shows up late. Look at the recent pandemic and ask why patients make appointments at 6 different testing sites so if they go to the first they can leave and go to another if the line is too long.

       All service industries are susceptible to this behavior. I spent 15 years in partnership in the restaurant business along with the automotive industry. I will leave it to you to count the No-shows both in customers and staff. I have no answer and I feel your pain but again, you're dealing with humans. In most cases these are married men who have been undertaking extra-curricular  activities and are already hiding something

    Take care of yourself and worry about or focus on  the good clients and the No-shows will take care of themselves. . 

 

 

I agree with what you’re saying, makes sense.
Another issue that I have with “No shows” in this business is that they as for our room number... that’s scary!  
So for the rest of the day or night, we’re sitting in our room wondering if someone did all that to harm us? 

[waterat 20911]

I think this covid-19 situation has exacerbated a pre-existing problem for the industry. @Allie Zeon's suggestion for tweaking your screening may help. The first time I met Allie she had recently been dealing with no-shows and requested I send her a pic with a specific hand gesture and location to confirm my bona fides. Worked fine and I always try to see her when she passes through Ottawa. win-win.

While I recognize @newfy 's reminder that we're dealing with people I believe this industry doesn't quite parallel the automotive industry - the mechanics don't have to clean the grease off their face and a double booking doesn't mean both clients can't be served, although perhaps not in the expected timely manner. 

I have concern for the stress having revealed a room number causes. I would discourage that. Maybe meet a client in the lobby or meet them at the bar and then escort them to the room? I'll defer to the advice of SP's who have suggestions and maybe that advice is best shared in the private SP area available on this board. A selfie, showing clothing, texted from the lobby of a hotel (or even from home hours earlier) would make a client readily identifiable for a preliminary rendezvous. I realize this doesn't eliminate the issue of having prepared for the session and possibly having turned down other suitors for that time slot - yet still a step in a better direction.

As @NotchJohnson noted above, this problem affects both sides of this industry, though for the SP's, much more so.

Ladies and gents: leolist is rarely our friend. Lyla usually is.          (apologies for the comma splices :) )

 

[CarmenSantana 31]

On 10/15/2020 at 9:55 AM, waterat said:

I think this covid-19 situation has exacerbated a pre-existing problem for the industry. @Allie Zeon's suggestion for tweaking your screening may help. The first time I met Allie she had recently been dealing with no-shows and requested I send her a pic with a specific hand gesture and location to confirm my bona fides. Worked fine and I always try to see her when she passes through Ottawa. win-win.

While I recognize @newfy 's reminder that we're dealing with people I believe this industry doesn't quite parallel the automotive industry - the mechanics don't have to clean the grease off their face and a double booking doesn't mean both clients can't be served, although perhaps not in the expected timely manner. 

I have concern for the stress having revealed a room number causes. I would discourage that. Maybe meet a client in the lobby or meet them at the bar and then escort them to the room? I'll defer to the advice of SP's who have suggestions and maybe that advice is best shared in the private SP area available on this board. A selfie, showing clothing, texted from the lobby of a hotel (or even from home hours earlier) would make a client readily identifiable for a preliminary rendezvous. I realize this doesn't eliminate the issue of having prepared for the session and possibly having turned down other suitors for that time slot - yet still a step in a better direction.

As @NotchJohnson noted above, this problem affects both sides of this industry, though for the SP's, much more so.

Ladies and gents: leolist is rarely our friend. Lyla usually is.          (apologies for the comma splices 🙂 )

 

 

[CarmenSantana 31]

Thanks! 
Very helpful! 

[East Coast Kimmy 1080]

Don’t get discouraged babe @CarmenSantana you are gorgeous so I’m sure there are plenty of great guys who will be lucky to experience you 
I am on the east coast and have been having similar issues,  it’s very frustrating at times but don’t Take it personally 

 

xxx Kimmy 

[CarmenSantana 31]

Thank girl!

ive worked in the east coast, I’m from there. It was actually the best experience I’ve had thus far?! 

[East Coast Kimmy 1080]

5 hours ago, CarmenSantana said:

Thank girl!

ive worked in the east coast, I’m from there. It was actually the best experience I’ve had thus far?! 

 Maybe just a little rough patch we are having our here due to everything going on!!! 
Come back out!! 

[Sugar Kayne 274]

That sucks. It happens. Still, frustrating and can be concerning. 

 

I insist on voice confirmation for new clients.

I stopped giving out my location without it.

I ask the client to confirm as many times as I need, including the day before, the day of and 2 hours before (I need to speak to a person at this point or Im not putting my make up on 😌) and again 20 minutes before, which is how long travel time takes here.

I explain its only because theyre new and they won't always have as many steps to get through to see me, its just for the initial encounter

I let the client know its simply bc of 'no shows' and that I appreciate the steps they're taking. I assure them I am legitimate and not wasting their time and state that I have to hold the same standard for myself.

 

I really like the suggestion about a pic with street details & a specific hand gesture for verification. I send new visitors to a nearby locale before giving my address, so I will probably start to implement that while I am still actively working.

 

Great topic! I'm happy I had something to contribute and I hope the suggestions help the OP🙏🏻 many blessings to all you lovely lyla'ers ❤

[Jolie 3396]

Ottawa here and the no shows are still a real thing. Since Covid I limited who I would see at first only to those I already knew and trusted and only lately started to post again and as soon as I do the no shows begin again and the saddest part is they aren't kids these are also long time members of lyla as well . My theory is this , they are legit and something terrible came up and could not show (ok) Some agree birds other girls are having guys book and not show and YES its a thing though I so do not understand why OR the men are just slowly becoming losers>? My bday that just past kinda got ruined thanks to this and I suppose I am still a bit peeved about it but what can we do.  I mind my own business, I stay clean and safe I don't talk crap and I don't socialize with most others ladies to limit the weird catty thing that seems to go on some times. So best wishes to all the other ladies that are also just trying to make a living and mind their own and Gents try to remember what it means to BE a Gentleman.Rant Over heheh.  Luvs and Kisses .