So many deposit scams.. i will never trust an SP again.. recommended or not

[Quietfun 20]

That's It.. I have had it with all the deposit scams.. i don't understand how so many SP's can expect a deposit when the clients are constantly being scammed

[Guest lydiahardwood]

I am sorry this happened to you. But deposits are a safety net for sex workers and asking for them is completely reasonable. Genuine Companions shouldn't have to lose money on no shows because of a handful of "bad eggs" scamming people.

You can use the scam area to look for scam warnings, and check recommended Providers on Lyla to avoid being in these situations. I hope it doesn't happen again. ❤️ 

[Exotic Touch Danielle 31731]

On 2/12/2022 at 1:17 PM, Quietfun said:

That's It.. I have had it with all the deposit scams.. i don't understand how so many SP's can expect a deposit when the clients are constantly being scammed

Why it's good to do your research on a lady before sending one... I would never recommend just randomly sending money to someone you haven't at least made sure wasn't reputable and legit first 

We wouldn't have to ask for one if our time wasn't wasted  so blame those guys 

[Mikeyboy 27133]

I'm sorry this has happened, but I'm afraid you have to take some responsibility for this yourself. You've posted in another thread that it has happened to you multiple times. You know the old adage: Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. 😉

Long story short, stop sending money to people with nothing to lose by ripping you off. Established ladies with good reputations simply won't. (It would be stupid to risk their reputation and their investment for such a small amount of money.) 

Things to look for:

Multiple recommendations from established members over time. (Not just first posts from a new accounts.)

Social media presence that is established (active and not new)

Professional Website

Photos in ads that aren't stolen (learn to do an image search)

Basically, any indication that it is someone who has put time, effort and money into establishing their business.

If you can't find those things, then don't send a deposit. Plain and simple. Otherwise, a fool and his money....

 

 

[Sugar Kayne 274]

On 2/12/2022 at 12:17 PM, Quietfun said:

That's It.. I have had it with all the deposit scams.. i don't understand how so many SP's can expect a deposit when the clients are constantly being scammed

Its pretty simple.. I ask for deposits now because im done being scammed out of time and effort, as well as revealing the location of my discreet place of business.  So many clients dont even bother to show up for appointments, or theyre new and get cold feet, or they suddenly have been called out of town for work right before the appointment.  

Im sorry you fell prey to hopefully a hard to spot fake, but the thing is:

If you are no good at spotting fakes, you should learn how to spot them instead of expecing people to change their business model.  Like, the entitlement!!

 

Id be shocked if youve been scammed by a verified provider here that seems legit and has recommendations from various established client accounts.  But even if it did happen that would be the rare exception and they wouldnt pull off such a scam for long here on lyla.

 

If you dont want to do your homework, dont be upset you get a bad grade lol

 

Others suggested seeing providers that dont ask for deposits. You couldve done that without posting. You just want special treatment and/or a place to complain. 

 

I do feel bad for some of the people who get scammed, like elderly and other vulnerable groups of people, but this industry is no worse than any other for scams. There are email scams, phone scams, tax scams, puppy scams, to name a few  They often prey on the most vulnerable.  You are unfairly blaming the industry, and the providers in it, for your own mistakes. You arent even complaining about scammers themselves, who arent actual providers!! Youre not here going "screw that introverted incel of a man who pretended to be a SW and tricked me, scammers should be punished by law" or anything. Youre really out here slamming the legit SWers for not making thenselves more vulnerable so you can avoid the risk of being scammed instead of just doing your research! 

 

No one has to give a deposit, but if most or all the providers are asking for one, is it that far fetched to think that we are doing so for a good reason? No, its not.

 I have to get ready when someone books, but they dont have to show up. Sure they dont get service but I cant get my time, effort or discretion back. It shouldnt cost those people NOTHING when it costs me so much.

 

Maybe if I asked for 50 or even 100%, i could see that being reason for me as a provider to not follow through w an appointment, unless I was travelling.  A nominal deposit ensures the providers time isnt wasted. I put a lot of time into being at my best for my clients and Id hate to stop doing so bc I cant afford the time to shower and primp anymore since no shows wasted all my time for the day.  Travelling companions almost always ask for deposits, from new people, at least, and they seem to be doing just fine and so do their clients who do deposits. I dont think its an industry problem. Is it a CRA problem that scams pretend to be them? Correct me if im wrong, but I havent noticed them changing their policy due to scams.  They put out public service announcements educating the public how to spot fakes.

 

I cant charge your credit card like your doctor or dentist when you dont show up for your appointment or cancel last minute. I gotta do something, and not asking for a deposit and getting the barrage of no shows again, isnt the answer. Maybe you should write a post berating all the clients who book and dont show up instead; they are the ones who ruined it for you, not the service providers that are just trying to find legitimate clients.

[LikBothHoles 1]

I HEAR YA !!!  Pisses me off for the time waste bs  but  worse it gives the the hard wrkin "pros" a bad name and probably hurts business overall 

[minuteman06 519]

Every reputable person was new at some point, it's not always possible to "do your research".  However, there are many, many great posts on this forum that help with discovering fake ads and minimizing the risk.

[Sugar Kayne 274]

On 2/26/2022 at 7:48 AM, minuteman06 said:

Every reputable person was new at some point, it's not always possible to "do your research".  However, there are many, many great posts on this forum that help with discovering fake ads and minimizing the risk.

If you're worried about scams, reputable is the way to go.  

[LoonieOfCanada 1]

Just happened to me a month ago 😕

[kewlio 33]

It’s pretty standard at this point if you want to see a reputable sex worker for the first time, you should expect to pay a deposit. For me I have no problem with the deposit if they have a website and an active Twitter, plus reviews. All this plus an onlyfans, I become very comfortable. If there new to this industry I’m not willing to risk a deposit or a visit. 

[fatboyNOTslim 66]

I do not pay deposits. It's The Montreal Way!

[roamingguy1 82]

I've participated in this lifestyle since July 2010 to be exact (and in my first roamingguy persona since Feb 2010) and I've gone through screening and paid deposits...well he'll actually paid in full in advance of a date since 2011. The only exception to this is when a companion doesn't take deposits which is rare. 

If you had it with deposit scams seek out reputable companions...there are many out there. I've never lost a deposit, well payment in full since paying dates in full in advance starting back in 2011. And I've continued paying in advance...I've paid a lady 1/3 of her rate and by date time she'll have been paid in full...well except for tip and gift 😉

A rambling from a guy who has dates with reputable companions, and there are alot out there and hasn't been scammed

RG

 

[roamingguy1 82]

BTW this thread reminds me I just sent a companion another payment towards her full payment for our upcoming date today, well just now.

By date night she will have already been paid in full...well except for her gift and tip 😉

A Hopefully Positive Rambling

RG

[Noble Scholar 1]

If you are getting scammed by Sp's asking for a deposit, then you are not checking reviews first. In each province there is an escourt review board where all you need is an email in order to create a free account, and then you can read the reviews on any service provider. Most reputable sp's ask for a deposit first. Seeing an sp without checking a review first, is like playing  a game of Russian roulette. Do your research first and you won't be disappointed.

[Evie Rosewood 527]

On 5/2/2022 at 3:04 PM, Noble Scholar said:

If you are getting scammed by Sp's asking for a deposit, then you are not checking reviews first. In each province there is an escourt review board where all you need is an email in order to create a free account, and then you can read the reviews on any service provider. Most reputable sp's ask for a deposit first. Seeing an sp without checking a review first, is like playing  a game of Russian roulette. Do your research first and you won't be disappointed.

Exactly. We have like 5 threads on the homepage denouncing SPs who ask for deposits because somebody got burned… and then in between, threads asking if LL ads that are clearly scams, are scams. 
If you’re not familiar with the signs and lingo that scammers use in ads, then it’s always best to play it safe by sticking to those who can be verified through recos and a long standing online presence. Yes, the rates may be a little higher. Consider it purchased peace of mind. 

[Jannycash15 1]

On 4/15/2022 at 10:40 AM, roamingguy1 said:

I've participated in this lifestyle since July 2010 to be exact (and in my first roamingguy persona since Feb 2010) and I've gone through screening and paid deposits...well he'll actually paid in full in advance of a date since 2011. The only exception to this is when a companion doesn't take deposits which is rare. 

If you had it with deposit scams seek out reputable companions...there are many out there. I've never lost a deposit, well payment in full since paying dates in full in advance starting back in 2011. And I've continued paying in advance...I've paid a lady 1/3 of her rate and by date time she'll have been paid in full...well except for tip and gift 😉

A rambling from a guy who has dates with reputable companions, and there are alot out there and hasn't been scammed

RG

 

You are a sweet gentleman. I dont required deposit in general but when I do and people complain it makes me feel so uncomfortable seeing them. They should all be like you 😇🙏

[Knowhere 0]

I have no problem paying a deposit or tip or helping out. If I have already have met the lady. It’s a fool me once shame me twice when they ask for a deposit on initial first visit. If you pre pay THERE is no first visit. You just get ghosted while they laugh about taking another sucker. After all why do the work if they’ve already received the money. 
I hate to say it but in my opinion there is more bad people asking for a pre payment than good . As soon as I hear e-transfer and I haven’t met you. I run into another girls arms.

[Orpheo12 70]

On 2/14/2022 at 1:53 PM, Mikeyboy said:

I'm sorry this has happened, but I'm afraid you have to take some responsibility for this yourself. You've posted in another thread that it has happened to you multiple times. You know the old adage: Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me. 😉

Long story short, stop sending money to people with nothing to lose by ripping you off. Established ladies with good reputations simply won't. (It would be stupid to risk their reputation and their investment for such a small amount of money.) 

Things to look for:

Multiple recommendations from established members over time. (Not just first posts from a new accounts.)

Social media presence that is established (active and not new)

Professional Website

Photos in ads that aren't stolen (learn to do an image search)

Basically, any indication that it is someone who has put time, effort and money into establishing their business.

If you can't find those things, then don't send a deposit. Plain and simple. Otherwise, a fool and his money....

 

 

TY for necessary advice.

[Orpheo12 70]

On 2/24/2022 at 8:54 AM, Sugar Kayne said:

Its pretty simple.. I ask for deposits now because im done being scammed out of time and effort, as well as revealing the location of my discreet place of business.  So many clients dont even bother to show up for appointments, or theyre new and get cold feet, or they suddenly have been called out of town for work right before the appointment.  

Im sorry you fell prey to hopefully a hard to spot fake, but the thing is:

If you are no good at spotting fakes, you should learn how to spot them instead of expecing people to change their business model.  Like, the entitlement!!

 

Id be shocked if youve been scammed by a verified provider here that seems legit and has recommendations from various established client accounts.  But even if it did happen that would be the rare exception and they wouldnt pull off such a scam for long here on lyla.

 

If you dont want to do your homework, dont be upset you get a bad grade lol

 

Others suggested seeing providers that dont ask for deposits. You couldve done that without posting. You just want special treatment and/or a place to complain. 

 

I do feel bad for some of the people who get scammed, like elderly and other vulnerable groups of people, but this industry is no worse than any other for scams. There are email scams, phone scams, tax scams, puppy scams, to name a few  They often prey on the most vulnerable.  You are unfairly blaming the industry, and the providers in it, for your own mistakes. You arent even complaining about scammers themselves, who arent actual providers!! Youre not here going "screw that introverted incel of a man who pretended to be a SW and tricked me, scammers should be punished by law" or anything. Youre really out here slamming the legit SWers for not making thenselves more vulnerable so you can avoid the risk of being scammed instead of just doing your research! 

 

No one has to give a deposit, but if most or all the providers are asking for one, is it that far fetched to think that we are doing so for a good reason? No, its not.

 I have to get ready when someone books, but they dont have to show up. Sure they dont get service but I cant get my time, effort or discretion back. It shouldnt cost those people NOTHING when it costs me so much.

 

Maybe if I asked for 50 or even 100%, i could see that being reason for me as a provider to not follow through w an appointment, unless I was travelling.  A nominal deposit ensures the providers time isnt wasted. I put a lot of time into being at my best for my clients and Id hate to stop doing so bc I cant afford the time to shower and primp anymore since no shows wasted all my time for the day.  Travelling companions almost always ask for deposits, from new people, at least, and they seem to be doing just fine and so do their clients who do deposits. I dont think its an industry problem. Is it a CRA problem that scams pretend to be them? Correct me if im wrong, but I havent noticed them changing their policy due to scams.  They put out public service announcements educating the public how to spot fakes.

 

I cant charge your credit card like your doctor or dentist when you dont show up for your appointment or cancel last minute. I gotta do something, and not asking for a deposit and getting the barrage of no shows again, isnt the answer. Maybe you should write a post berating all the clients who book and dont show up instead; they are the ones who ruined it for you, not the service providers that are just trying to find legitimate clients.

Thank you, Sugar Kayne. What is a reasonable deposit, since you reputable SW's need that? How do you vet me, as a Newbie? I gather an immediate "come on over" is a red flag. Finding current profiles with recommendations has not been easy. From my short time at Adultfriendfinder, IMO the majority (80-90%!?) of straight female profiles are scammers. My direct knowledge is thin, but most of my contacts follow the patterns. So strong assurances and verification are needed on both sides.

[Guest]

8 hours ago, Orpheo12 said:

I gather an immediate "come on over" is a red flag. 

Not really. Unless something else in the ad, location or meeting instructions raised concerns.

If harder to find recommended service providers in your area, suggest trying massages as long you don't pressure them for more.

[guyfox80 20]

On 5/2/2022 at 12:04 PM, Noble Scholar said:

If you are getting scammed by Sp's asking for a deposit, then you are not checking reviews first. In each province there is an escourt review board where all you need is an email in order to create a free account, and then you can read the reviews on any service provider. Most reputable sp's ask for a deposit first. Seeing an sp without checking a review first, is like playing  a game of Russian roulette. Do your research first and you won't be disappointed.

I can't agree more.  Spend the time doing research.  And if you want to gamble then don't do it with someone who is requesting a deposit.

Some escorts, for any number of reasons, might have to use a fake photo and might have a newer ad.  But if there is no deposit required there is nothing for them to gain.

I've never been scammed and I have jumped the gun on meeting someone who I found out was using fake photos - but as there was no deposit required there was less risk.  (That being said I left my wallet and keys in the car just for added caution so that all I had on me was my donation.)

 

In the current legal status in Canada it is still a risk for both parties.  And there will always be those who try to scam the system.

[Sugar Kayne 274]

On 5/15/2022 at 8:54 PM, Orpheo12 said:

Thank you, Sugar Kayne. What is a reasonable deposit, since you reputable SW's need that? How do you vet me, as a Newbie? I gather an immediate "come on over" is a red flag. Finding current profiles with recommendations has not been easy. From my short time at Adultfriendfinder, IMO the majority (80-90%!?) of straight female profiles are scammers. My direct knowledge is thin, but most of my contacts follow the patterns. So strong assurances and verification are needed on both sides.

Its up to each individual to consider if a providers deposit is reasonable for them or not. 

 

I dont tell prospective clients what my red flags are 🤨🤨🤨 and I advise other ladies reading this to also not share what their red flags are.  Just think about it for a second here...  If we teach people how to circumvent our safety methods, then we dont have those safety methods available to protect us from anyone who means us harm!  Most people mean us no harm but it only takes one and I'm not making it easier on anyone to get through my barriers to entry.  I believe my screening and booking process has been nearly perfected over time and keeps me nice and safe.  I'd just as soon not have to find new ways to spot potential danger. 

 

All that being said, Most people who thorougly read the forum discussions are not going to have to worry about setting off a ton of red flags to even the most safety- consious providers.

 

A few things you can do without taking away SP safety measures are:

1) this ones easy... dont mean them any harm!! (Duh?) Lol😋 

2) read the "new to this" FAQ page -dm me if you cant find it and i will link you to it but try to find it on your own first

3) Most ladies share etiquette tips on their websites or ad posts for how to approach them in the way they prefer.  Follow those and you should be more than okay🤗

Sx

[Orpheo12 70]

On 5/18/2022 at 10:37 AM, Sugar Kayne said:

Its up to each individual to consider if a providers deposit is reasonable for them or not. 

 

I dont tell prospective clients what my red flags are 🤨🤨🤨 and I advise other ladies reading this to also not share what their red flags are.  Just think about it for a second here...  If we teach people how to circumvent our safety methods, then we dont have those safety methods available to protect us from anyone who means us harm!  Most people mean us no harm but it only takes one and I'm not making it easier on anyone to get through my barriers to entry.  I believe my screening and booking process has been nearly perfected over time and keeps me nice and safe.  I'd just as soon not have to find new ways to spot potential danger. 

 

All that being said, Most people who thorougly read the forum discussions are not going to have to worry about setting off a ton of red flags to even the most safety- consious providers.

 

A few things you can do without taking away SP safety measures are:

1) this ones easy... dont mean them any harm!! (Duh?) Lol😋 

2) read the "new to this" FAQ page -dm me if you cant find it and i will link you to it but try to find it on your own first

3) Most ladies share etiquette tips on their websites or ad posts for how to approach them in the way they prefer.  Follow those and you should be more than okay🤗

Sx

What I've learned:

Lyla recommendations are vital. Only today did I find 2nd and 3rd pages in TB started in 2010 include some SP I was trying to verify. Counsel and kindness here are gold.

IMO scamming is huge. NOT you! NOT here... but elsewhere, everywhere! In AFF in 2000 I met only real people. In AFF a month ago 20+ all working hard to pretend, and not a single context who proved to be legit. I should post on the indicators, but my point here is that people going crazy with the legitimate need for intimacy are extremely vulnerable, and the sharks are out there. So those shy about deposits don't know better, yet.

My advice to those like myself: never trust an unverified ad. Never try an SP who does not have reviews in depth. READ THE RECOMMENDATIONS. In a small market, ask those active here for SP's that can be trusted, and then help them get you properly vetted, and book paying a reasonable deposit. WE are the risk, to them.

I was lucky that my one and only encounter was with a real travelling companion I am not allowed to recommend yet. Money well spent, bbutnow it takes serenity to say "enough" when the budget says "no way!" A work in progress...

All this to plead for kindness for those thinking with their dicks, scared and vulnerable, whom have yet to learn how to navigate the minefield of seeking professional ccompanionship. For lonely hearts like these you empathic professionals really are lifesavers.

And guys... RESPECT!

Thanks to many esp. @Sugar Kayne @Janebondage Lydia, @clearbluesky15 and many Maritimers whose advice keeps Lyla worth the read...

[roamingguy1 82]

This is the deposit scam I went through last night.  Over two years ago (before the covid lockdowns etc)  I booked and paid in full in advance a five hour date with a companion.  Then the lockdowns hit, date postponed.  We, at the time rescheduled the date when lockdowns lifted.  On top of that I had surgery on my knees and recently laser surgery on both eyes.  But we finally a date set, last night to be exact...and guess what, the companion I paid (in full) for a five hour date arrived at my hotel room on time and we had a Great Date!!!.  Yes I'm being sarcastic calling it a deposit scam, this lady like a lot of ladies is honest and reputable. 

Clients need to do their research before booking a date. I've paid in full via etransfer since 2011,  no deposit scams or issues...well one, I've had Great Dates.  And later today or tomorrow I'll post (with her permission first) a recommendation

A rambling over cup number one

RG 

[roamingguy1 82]

And continuing in the spirit of this deposit scam thread today I checked with a companion I'm going to see in July asking her what was the balance owing for our upcoming date.  I guessed higher ($XXX.00)  It turns out I was wrong, all left owing was ($XX.00)  She said additional hours cost ($XXX.00/hour) so my planned five hour date I changed to a six hour date and paid her the balance owing in full.

All that's left is to reserve a hotel room show up, with suitcase in one hand and a defibrillator in the other, my heart's pounding away in anticipation already.

Yes you might have guessed, I have no problems paying a companion in full in advance of the date

A rambling while my knees buckle and heart pounds away

RG