Service Providers being Ghosted

[tango1212 29]

I just got back from an absolutely fantastic rendezvous with a superb service provider and as we were talking afterwards, she mentioned about her previous night. She said that she was ghosted multiple times. Like, she was in communication with them and they say they were on their way and then they ghosted her. She tried messaging them back with no replies, nothing. Time wasters. Like why would anybody do that? You're making it look bad for some of us regulars that rely on their service they provide. Come on guys, have some respect and consideration. I was shocked to hear that this happened to her last night.
I'm curious of what thoughts everyone has on this matter. I'd like to get back to her some solutions if it could help.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, tango1212 said:

Like why would anybody do that? You're making it look bad for some of us regulars that rely on their service they provide. Come on guys, have some respect and consideration. I was shocked to hear that this happened to her last night.
I'm curious of what thoughts everyone has on this matter. I'd like to get back to her some solutions if it could help.

        I doubt this was done by "clients". More likely from local groups trying to weed out competition or simply deter sex workers from doing business in the area.

        Common solutions are deposits and references/recommendations from other providers.

[tango1212 29]

Interesting! I never thought of that about the competition or other groups trying to deter business in the area.

She said she doesn't want to ask for deposits because then they think she's fake or a scammer.

As for recommendations, I wonder if other service providers would actually do that for their clients. It seems they would lose out if they did that. 

Thanks for your thoughts. Much appreciated. 

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, tango1212 said:

She said she doesn't want to ask for deposits because then they think she's fake or a scammer.

As for recommendations, I wonder if other service providers would actually do that for their clients. It seems they would lose out if they did that. 

Thanks for your thoughts. Much appreciated. 

    If she's local with consistent marketing, a recommendation would benefit her and make deposits an easier sell.

 As for references from others, would depend on her relationships with other SP and MA's.

[tango1212 29]

I have put a recommendation out for her, I'm hoping it will help. He is new to the industry so I'm sure as time goes on she won't have any problems whatsoever. Once the word gets out of a superb service provider it will spread like a wildfire haha. I don't think she'll have to worry. Once again, thanks for the info. I'll pass it on.

[tango1212 29]

She* is new to the industry...

[Trish807 7]

I can confirm this happens often. Some will message, set up appointments, ghost and will text a week later and try to book again acting as though nothing happened. I have recommendations here and still have a hard time with asking for deposits. This is why it’s difficult for me to host as getting accommodation and not having clients show is not only frustrating but often costs SPs. I have reached out to other SPs to discuss potential scammers, no show clients or even dangerous clients; SPs here seem weary to work together. 

[KylieJane 5052]

This is why I do deposits for all new clients and all outcalls... No exceptions.  Other providers, people looking after them (usually visiting ones) or even anti sex work groups may try to submit fake bookings to discourage you.  And when they try to pull the "I'm afraid of being scammed thing"  I say do your research and learn about the many reputable providers in our area.  You don't get a great reputation, great reviews by scamming people. 

[thor13 1042]

On 7/24/2023 at 8:24 PM, KylieJane said:

anti sex work groups may try to submit fake bookings to discourage you.

Wow! I didn't know people like them existed. What kind of a sh*tty a** person spends their time ensuring that two consenting adults should not have a good time. It must be quite a miserable life.

Anyway we truly appreciate all the wonderful women out here, especially @KylieJane you are a gem <3.

[SamanthaKnoxx 102]

On 7/22/2023 at 3:16 PM, tango1212 said:

I just got back from an absolutely fantastic rendezvous with a superb service provider and as we were talking afterwards, she mentioned about her previous night. She said that she was ghosted multiple times. Like, she was in communication with them and they say they were on their way and then they ghosted her. She tried messaging them back with no replies, nothing. Time wasters. Like why would anybody do that? You're making it look bad for some of us regulars that rely on their service they provide. Come on guys, have some respect and consideration. I was shocked to hear that this happened to her last night.
I'm curious of what thoughts everyone has on this matter. I'd like to get back to her some solutions if it could help.

In my experience: 

 

 

some dudes are fantasy bookers. 

Some get off on wasting our time. Literally knowing we are expecting them and knowing theyve wasted our time. especially true for instances where theres no deposit (Which is why deposits are becoming ever more common) 

some are scared. And get cold feet. 
some are messaging multiple providers and seeing who responds  with the lower rates

 

regardless THIS is why I implemented a deposit especially when travelling

[petraluxurygfe 115]

I hear its incredibly common.

Could that be just bad clients or more likely just other SPs trying to keep you away from the area.

Best to take steps to avoid no shows.

 

[Kmoppai 1089]

In my opinion the SP asking a client for referrals tends to be a safe idea. Many of the well known girls who travel through Winnipeg do this. I think it's great for both parties for authentication. 

 

Many of them also ask for online tags (twitter, perb, lyla, etc) to prove activity in the industry to double check. Want to to triple check?  Ask them to message you from their online tag as well.

 

Honestly, a newer girl with little to no reputation would never get a deposit from me. The number of believable scams online now are insane. People are even copying legitimate adds and running scams as them. I 100% respect anyone who asks for one (as I do in my irl business), but it would usually result in me passing them over.

 

I agree on a deposit for the connoisseurs who do extended day or multi day dates, but otherwise it's hard to get behind. 

 

Just my opinion 🙃

 

TLDR // Summarized: Ask client for referrals.

 

 

 

[RuinedGeneration 243]

I've been unfortunately ghosted by an SP even after following all of her screening requirements and providing a positive reference.  Sucks because I make sure to never waste their time. 😞

[SamanthaKnoxx 102]

On 7/27/2023 at 5:13 PM, Kmoppai said:

In my opinion the SP asking a client for referrals tends to be a safe idea. Many of the well known girls who travel through Winnipeg do this. I think it's great for both parties for authentication. 

 

Many of them also ask for online tags (twitter, perb, lyla, etc) to prove activity in the industry to double check. Want to to triple check?  Ask them to message you from their online tag as well.

 

Honestly, a newer girl with little to no reputation would never get a deposit from me. The number of believable scams online now are insane. People are even copying legitimate adds and running scams as them. I 100% respect anyone who asks for one (as I do in my irl business), but it would usually result in me passing them over.

 

I agree on a deposit for the connoisseurs who do extended day or multi day dates, but otherwise it's hard to get behind. 

 

Just my opinion 🙃

 

TLDR // Summarized: Ask client for referrals.

 

 

 

Its hard to get behind deposits?????? Im not sure what planet you live on but its pretty common globally for bussinesses to have deposit requirements for a myriad of services. 

so to clarify you think sxx workers asking for deposits for shorter sessions isnt something you can get behind...?  Why? 
 

imagine. 
I book 3 clients this week. 
none of them deposit. 
all of them no call/no show. 
I have now: 

possibly denied others those time 
slots 

am out all of my prospective income for the week

i possible paid for ubers or an incall space 

I got ready, did makeup hair etc... 

possibly paid for childcare 

I do not have the ability to get provincial support. 
I have zero recourse for being ghosted and left with $0 after the time and energy of a back and forth to book someone. 
 

A great way to tell providers you don't respect us or care about the risks we deal eith in this industry and the financial abuse violence we experience is to say "I cant get behind deposits"🤪😅

 

 

[SamanthaKnoxx 102]

On 7/28/2023 at 3:58 PM, RuinedGeneration said:

I've been unfortunately ghosted by an SP even after following all of her screening requirements and providing a positive reference.  Sucks because I make sure to never waste their time. 😞

Its possibly: 

 

you did not pass their screening

a reference isnt a guarantee you are getting booked 

or they forgot - I always reccomend a follow up..

[Kmoppai 1089]

1 hour ago, SamanthaKnoxx said:

Its hard to get behind deposits?????? Im not sure what planet you live on but its pretty common globally for bussinesses to have deposit requirements for a myriad of services. 

so to clarify you think sxx workers asking for deposits for shorter sessions isnt something you can get behind...?  Why? 
 

imagine. 
I book 3 clients this week. 
none of them deposit. 
all of them no call/no show. 
I have now: 

possibly denied others those time 
slots 

am out all of my prospective income for the week

i possible paid for ubers or an incall space 

I got ready, did makeup hair etc... 

possibly paid for childcare 

I do not have the ability to get provincial support. 
I have zero recourse for being ghosted and left with $0 after the time and energy of a back and forth to book someone. 
 

A great way to tell providers you don't respect us or care about the risks we deal eith in this industry and the financial abuse violence we experience is to say "I cant get behind deposits"🤪😅

 

 

You have unfortunately focused on the negative point. I'm only offering truthful advise, and I have nothing but respect 😮‍💨.

 

This isn't going to Home depot or a reputable brick and motor business to give a deposit on materials. It is a virtual add, with a virtual deposit. It is intimidating as a client to filter though fake adds on sites like leolist, 95% of them are scams.

 

There are tons of shit clients, don't get me wrong. Definitely not denying that lol. But  there are two sides to every coin, client and SP both need to understand the other point of view.

 You're obviously real, but not all girls asking for deposits have a tag on a forum, or a Twitter to prove they're legit.

 

Please don't attack me based on my input. I felt my reply would offer valuable insight.

I understand this is a sensitive subject.  I do not condone violence or disrespect on any level, especially SPs.

 

As a final note -- I regularly see high end SPs when they travel to Winnipeg. I have formed many great relationships with them, and all of which had met me with no depoit due to my referrals. They know I'll show up, pay, treat them well and respect them, all by using the referral system.

 

🫡

[SamanthaKnoxx 102]

8 hours ago, Kmoppai said:

You have unfortunately focused on the negative point. I'm only offering truthful advise, and I have nothing but respect 😮‍💨.

 

This isn't going to Home depot or a reputable brick and motor business to give a deposit on materials. It is a virtual add, with a virtual deposit. It is intimidating as a client to filter though fake adds on sites like leolist, 95% of them are scams.

 

There are tons of shit clients, don't get me wrong. Definitely not denying that lol. But  there are two sides to every coin, client and SP both need to understand the other point of view.

 You're obviously real, but not all girls asking for deposits have a tag on a forum, or a Twitter to prove they're legit.

 

Please don't attack me based on my input. I felt my reply would offer valuable insight.

I understand this is a sensitive subject.  I do not condone violence or disrespect on any level, especially SPs.

 

As a final note -- I regularly see high end SPs when they travel to Winnipeg. I have formed many great relationships with them, and all of which had met me with no depoit due to my referrals. They know I'll show up, pay, treat them well and respect them, all by using the referral system.

 

🫡

Oh boy. I am so excited to dissect all of this.

 

1. You have unfortunately focused on the negative point. I'm only offering truthful advise, and I have nothing but respect 😮‍💨.

Correct. I have absolutely focussed on the negative points because your argument is based in deposits being a risk for clients. Which is a negative concern of booking a provider. 
 

your "advice" **** is UNSOLICITED and it isnt actually advise. 
telling other clients on a forum like this that you "cant get behind" deposits , is not advice. It is your opinion.

 

And might I ask what your opinion is based in? 
is it based in anecdotal evidence? Is it from your lived experience of being scammed? 

You do not get to sit here ans claim you have "nothing but respect" when you are sitting here on a forum where YOU get to be anonymous and talk about your explorations with "high end" escorts while simultaneously suggesting that an extremely common business practice (depositing) is NOT a practice you believe sxx workers should be able to utilize. 
 

 

2.This isn't going to Home depot or a reputable brick and motor business to give a deposit on materials. It is a virtual add, with a virtual deposit. It is intimidating as a client to filter though fake adds on sites like leolist, 95% of them are scams.

Boy oh boy! Im excited for this one. 
First. I think you meant MORTAR not motor. 
secondly, comparing HUMAN beings offering an intimate service to giving a deposit to home depoit for "materials" is a perfect example of dehumanizing sxx workers. It displays your inability to distinguish the vast differences between procurring sexual services and buying construction materials. 
 

Which btw! You would BUY not put a deposit on. I personally rent from home depot often. 

virtual ad you say? Yes like most of our ads now a days are virtual - on the radio, TV, websites, via social media etc. 

 

you pay for deposits for MANY virtually purchased products and I wonder if you have ever made an online purchase- paid in FULL in advance and then waited for shipping..... ?????? 
most weed dispensaries require a deposit now. 
many service providers have a deposit or cancellation fee because of the harmful impacts to a business when people NO SHOW. 
 

you speak of the level of intimidation in scouring leolist for clients - have you considered the level of intimidation for providers in meeting up with some random man?

our risk of murder is substantially higher and more common than you already on the basis of being "women". And the rates are even higher with adult workers because the violence we experience so often goes unchecked. 
 

even when we are murdered, you ever heard the term NHI? 
 

it refers to cases labelled by law enforcement as NO HUMAN INVOLVED and is frequently used on cases of sexx workers. 
 

so while I absolutely hold some level of understanding and compassion for clients regarding their fears - your fears of losing a deposit are nothing compared to the tribulations that sexx workers face. 
you fear loss of deposit I fear loss of my life. 
Tryst literally has a document now detailing how to book workers. 

 

you could also apply your knowledge and use transferable experience from other businesses youve procurred services from and paid deposits to figure out how to verify if a business is reputable. 
 

95% is also a huge statistic. 
I could arguably say 95% of clients on there are aggressive, disrespectful and only text  "you available" to a dozen workers at once. 
 

Id also like to say that maybbbe if men thought a little bit less with their cocks theyd be able to differentiate between a scam and a real genuine human being. 
 

3.There are tons of shit clients, don't get me wrong. Definitely not denying that lol. But  there are two sides to every coin, client and SP both need to understand the other point of view.

I've already mentioned that I do often consider the perspective of clients and understand the risks associated with procuring services as a client. With that being said I am wondering if you personally have taken the time to familiarize yourself with the legislation around the adult industry and the risks posed to you as a client simply from a legislative standpoint? 

 

I would also like to point out that maybe you should consider hopping onto Twitter and seeing the continuous discourse of sex workers from across the globe around screening and deposits. Most SWs absolutely do consider The things that may or may not impact clients and I was such their own business. So since you are saying that we need to consider each other's plans I will once again reiterate the fact that you have concerns of paying a deposit because you're worried about being scammed, I have concerns about being sexually assaulted physically assaulted, stealthed, Pregnancy, PCOS, endometriosis, vaginal tearing, anal fissures, contracting an STI and having to take time off work or having to be on medication for the rest of my life, stalking, being banned from travelling, having my bank account closed, having my children taken from me, being denied or having  accounts shutdown on payment processors or websites - these are just a few off the top of my noggin right now but I am sure if we made a ven diagram of all the concerns clients and sex workers have there would be some that are the same... and there woild be MANY on yhe side of workers that are not a concern for clients. 
 

Also. 
understanding the perspective of one another does not mean that you should be advocating against deposits. If you genuinely understood what it was that was behind this phenomenon and respected it you would not be advocating against it you would be sharing your own knowledge around the risks and how to mitigate those risk . 

4.You're obviously real, but not all girls asking for deposits have a tag on a forum, or a Twitter to prove they're legit.

One. I'm not a girl.

For many reasons one because I don't need a man to infantilize me using language used to refer most commonly to females under the age of 18. But also because I am a non-binary provider and not all sex workers are women.

If you wanna misgender me at the bare minimum do me the respect of acknowledging that I am an adult human being. Because you don't see us referring to you clients as "boys"

And I just wanna point out the concerns I have with suggesting that because somebody is on a forum that that makes them real. Sure this is one of many places that I exist on the Internet. And you could verify of myriad of other places that I just on the Internet I'm also a face out provider and if you've been paying attention at all recently there are also a lot of fake Twitter's. And many workers have been calling out those pages and also providing clients with a number of different ways to verify that somebody is legitimate such as reverse image search. Searching up their name and seeing what pops up  and not just within the first couple pages but doing a deep depth research of the business that you're contacting.

 

5. Please don't attack me based on my input. I felt my reply would offer valuable insight.

your reply literally only said that you cannot get behind deposits I'm unsure what you think is valuable in terms of this or how it is insight when it is merely just your opinion that you are sharing with other prospective clients this is no way helps you other clients or sex workers genuinely find a happy medium of comfort when it comes to the booking process.

And you might wanna consider looking into what rejection sensitivity is if you think that I am attacking you. I'm sharing my perspective as a worker who has been in this industry for nearly all of my adult life and for nearly a decade. And I'm calling into question the perspective of an anonymous man on a forum who is telling other men on a forum that they can't get behind adult workers requiring a deposit.

6. I understand this is a sensitive subject.  I do not condone violence or disrespect on any level, especially SPs.

Just wanted to point out this paragraph doesn't make sense I think he meant to say especially towards SPs. Regardless once again you sitting here on anonymous account telling other men to not provide deposits because you can't get behind it and because there's scammers out there is absolutely direct violence towards sex workers because you are literally sitting here undermining hundreds of workers efforts over the years to acquire deposits now that we have the ability to do so.

Yes our safety is absolutely a sensitive subject considering the rates in which we are violently harmed including murdered.
 And part of our safety protocols includes screening and deposits and it's absolutely a privilege to be able to ask for those things.

As a final note -- I regularly see high end SPs when they travel to Winnipeg. I have formed many great relationships with them, and all of which had met me with no depoit due to my referrals. They know I'll show up, pay, treat them well and respect them, all by using the referral system.

I just want you to consider how often you may have been referred to some sort of product or business or experience and how the experience of somebody else may not be the experience that you have. And that is why over the last several years providers have begun to reject the referral system due to the fact that you can have an amazing experience with one provider and a horrible experience with another as a client in the same could be said about workers. It is also a classic tactic of abusers to create a support system around them of other reputable individuals that trust and believe in them and will absolutely stand up for their reputation of being a good person it's classic abuser behavior. And we have absolutely seen it with clients who will treat certain providers with the upmost respect and then proceed to treat other workers  in disgustingly violent violent manners. And there have been dozens and dozens of cases of workers having a referral for a client and the client becoming violent or not paying or causing harm and some other way. Which is why screening with referral only is almost just as dangerous as seeing a client with absolutely no screening information. There have been so many instances where providers have been angry that their clients asked them for a referral and have lied to other workers either telling them they were terrible clients or telling them that a client was amazing even though that client repeatedly caused them harm. 
 

and I would be delighted to know the names of these high-end providers that you are claiming do not require deposits. Since you are sitting here telling people that they shouldn't deposit you should probably consider sharing the providers that don't require deposits and that screen in a way that is comfortable for you and possibly other clients. 

 

 

so to reiterate. Your initial post was not helpful whatsoever. It directly contradicts the current discourse in the community globally and is coming from an anonymous account from a male client, directed to other male clients. 
 

and I just want to make an honourable mention: 

rest in peace to Marilynne Levesque 23 year old women from Quebec who was working at a spa and was seeing a client there who then offered to book a hotel to see her so she could acquire all of the rate and not provide the spa with a cut. This client was out on parole for having violently murdered his ex girlfriend. He brutally murdered her with a hammer and then wrote slurs such as whore across her apartment walls in her blood before he walked himself to the police station and turned himself in. His parole officer allowed him access to a spa so that he would not be as likely to target "the general public". 
This is a perfect example of how even if you have a "referral" or have met someone in a BRICK AND MORTAR space , that doesnt make them safe. 
And that goes both ways.

 

At this point I have nothing left to say to you lt any other individual who would like to sit here and try and rationalize advocatinf against business practices sex workers have implemented to protect themselves, but also to legitimize sex work as we continue to advocate for our humans and labour rights in an era where average Americans have been denied access to life saving medical care and body autonomy. 
 

I can guarantee you the violence you fear you might experience as a client is absolutely nothing compared to the violence experienced by women on a daily basis and is nothing compared to the violence sex workers experience. 

Also I wonder... does saying you book "high end" escorts make you feel better about paying for sex? Or was it just inserted so that you could suggest that "there are high end sps doing this!" 
 

obviously there are. 
and I myself have waived deposits so that I could make income to pay my bills, feed and house myself... 

and 9/10 those people no/show. 
and 1/10 those humans are lovely anazing AND were willing to pay me a higher rate because they werent depositing. 
but deposits are screening for me. 
and my right to safety and security as work and as a human being absolutely take precedence over your desire for anonymity or concerns of being scammed. 

 

And with that, I doubt you and I will ever connect. And not that I would know or could stop you from contacting me - but I am NOT interested in seeing you as a client BECAUSE of your original post advocating against deposits.  And your subsequent reply where you have absolutely centred yourself. 
 

have the very best of times in your search for connection and companionship. i hope you have the life you deserve and I will not be affording you any further unpaid emotional or physical labour in the form of a digital reply. 

have the day you deserve🌟

[Kmoppai 1089]

Wasn't trying to ruffle any feathers. Apologies to any readers who I have offended.

[opinionated companion 3]

On 7/22/2023 at 3:10 PM, Greenteal said:

    If she's local with consistent marketing, a recommendation would benefit her and make deposits an easier sell.

 As for references from others, would depend on her relationships with other SP and MA's.

I was getting this happen to me all the time I was giving people my address and they said they were on the way some even said they were pulling into the complex where I live and they never showed UP.  I started getting really agitated and worried that these people had my address but they didn't have my suite number, as I wait till they arrive to do that and even then people said they arrived and they didn't... so it didn't matter and I started getting really concerned that these people we're in the possession of my address.

It isn't just one or two people  it was a constant thing for me so now I made a rule and I stick to my rule and I don't waver for my rule and if they don't follow the rule then they don't get to see me.  I require a small deposit subtracted from the total when they arrive I don't give out my address until I get the deposit and the deposit is $20.

If they're that interested in coming to see you they won't have a problem with that if they say they can't e transfer because of their personal life we're trying lie about some other story tell them,  that's not your problem suggests they get someone to do it for them and give them the cash!  Don't give out your address unless they pay you the $20 it's simple. I get you may lose some people but you're trusting them in your space your home your safe place wherever you are and they don't trust you with $20? Immediately this shows me disrespect and that they think very low of people in this business that's what I take from that so is that the type of people you want to meet?  not me ever since I implemented that rule the problem has pretty much gone away.  I still get the odd person that sends me $20 and doesn't show up and that's just fine I got paid for my time getting ready and preparing my surroundings for their arrival and they didn't show up well that's fine make sure you don't go through it again that's all.  and that's just the way it is at least you got 20.

[Andee of Burlington 28]

Which is why I ask for a call back number and speak to them before confirming the appointment.

[KylieSweets49 7]

On 7/22/2023 at 12:16 PM, tango1212 said:

I just got back from an absolutely fantastic rendezvous with a superb service provider and as we were talking afterwards, she mentioned about her previous night. She said that she was ghosted multiple times. Like, she was in communication with them and they say they were on their way and then they ghosted her. She tried messaging them back with no replies, nothing. Time wasters. Like why would anybody do that? You're making it look bad for some of us regulars that rely on their service they provide. Come on guys, have some respect and consideration. I was shocked to hear that this happened to her last night.
I'm curious of what thoughts everyone has on this matter. I'd like to get back to her some solutions if it could help.

It happens all the time at least 2 or 3 times a weekend. And I think they get off on. I had to Start asking for small deposit. 

Kylie

[KylieSweets49 7]

On 7/23/2023 at 4:00 PM, Trish807 said:

I can confirm this happens often. Some will message, set up appointments, ghost and will text a week later and try to book again acting as though nothing happened. I have recommendations here and still have a hard time with asking for deposits. This is why it’s difficult for me to host as getting accommodation and not having clients show is not only frustrating but often costs SPs. I have reached out to other SPs to discuss potential scammers, no show clients or even dangerous clients; SPs here seem weary to work together. 

I would love it if we could all help each other out. It sucks putting all that time and energy in making myself look amazing and then having the client ghost you. And yes I have also had them try to call back with some sad excuses. Now I just ask for a 30 or 40 $ deposit. Fuck it if they don't like it!!

[peacectryguy 12547]

On 8/8/2023 at 10:27 PM, KylieSweets49 said:

I would love it if we could all help each other out. It sucks putting all that time and energy in making myself look amazing and then having the client ghost you. And yes I have also had them try to call back with some sad excuses. Now I just ask for a 30 or 40 $ deposit. Fuck it if they don't like it!!

Nothing wrong with that for you or other ladies that have a presence online that guys can confirm. I've never had an issue with deposits. I used to ask for them in my business when I was in a trade as well. It's just smart business practice. 

Sadly, there is also the flipside of the equation that honestly makes things so much tougher for you gals and that is the endless scammers on virtually every platform and so many guys who are new to this or get caught unaware and get ripped off. It leaves a sour taste and makes some guys hesitant, even though the lady asking is a legit provider. 

Now having said all that, any dude that books and ghosts a lady is a colossal doosh. Even worse when he has the audacity to actually try to book again and act as if he's done nothing wrong. If something happens that is unavoidable and legit, the simple action is to send out an apology and explanation. At least, make the effort to see both sides imo.

[Torty1963 0]

Wasn't trying to ruffle any feathers.
Apologies to any readers who I have offended.

[vitgenixofficial 0]

Nothing bad about that for you or different women that have a presence online that folks can affirm. I've never disapproved of stores. I used to request them in my business when I was in an exchange too. It's simply savvy business practice.