Things that turn you off when you see an SP?

[Meg O'Ryan 266444]

If the board allowed negative feedback, she would probably got used to it and not take it personally as it would be part of the process.

Also from my experience, some people don't know how to react when criticized by others in person. They would rather read it, and digest it before decided to be offended or not. :)

 

H.

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Again I must disagree...it is much easier to digest and accept criticism in a private forum! If I receive bad news privately, I can lick my wounds and change. If I recieve bad new publicly I will rebel...no questions asked, I will seek revenge and blood! Approach me with the civility that I deserve and I will decide if you're complaint is worthy of my compliance. Approach me in full public view and the gloves are off!

[Hornet 71]

I would like to say that I'm the complete opposite. If I did something that someone was upset about, I would SO much rather have them tell me, so I could try and fix the situation with them, and so I can work on it. If I logged in and found a review saying my place was a mess, I would probably end up in tears. It would hurt me, and I would be staring at my screen wondering 'why couldn't he have said something'.

 

Obviously not everyone feels the same, as you point out ladies in your experience were opposite. But I point out my feelings on it to demonstrate that, just because it was one way with one lady, doesn't mean everyone is going to feel the same way

 

I think reading the reviews and evaluating the lady can assist in this. I would assume that, if a gentleman from cerb came to see me, or Meg for instance, and they'd read our posts and reviews, I would hope that, if something questionable came up, he would know that he could tell us, rather than walk away thinking 'WOW and she was so well-reviewed this shocked me' or whatever. Because if someone said to me 'Hey Cleo, I had a great time, but I have to tell you - you should clean your bathroom more. I didn't really feel comfortable taking a shower in that tub' - I would not freak out, instead, I'd appreciate it and probably thank the gentleman in a very nice way for telling me.

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I would like to say that I'm the complete opposite. If I did something that someone was upset about, I would SO much rather have them tell me, so I could try and fix the situation with them, and so I can work on it. If I logged in and found a review saying my place was a mess, I would probably end up in tears. It would hurt me, and I would be staring at my screen wondering 'why couldn't he have said something'.

 

Obviously not everyone feels the same, as you point out ladies in your experience were opposite. But I point out my feelings on it to demonstrate that, just because it was one way with one lady, doesn't mean everyone is going to feel the same way.

I think reading the reviews and evaluating the lady can assist in this. I would assume that, if a gentleman from cerb came to see me, or Meg for instance, and they'd read our posts and reviews, I would hope that, if something questionable came up, he would know that he could tell us, rather than walk away thinking 'WOW and she was so well-reviewed this shocked me' or whatever. Because if someone said to me 'Hey Cleo, I had a great time, but I have to tell you - you should clean your bathroom more. I didn't really feel comfortable taking a shower in that tub' - I would not freak out, instead, I'd appreciate it and probably thank the gentleman in a very nice way for telling me.

 

Cleo,

 

I have a similar thinking to yours and Meg'a when it comes to my own services. I would like to hear it in person so I can understand it better and try to improve.

 

But, I also experienced some other behavior in the past so I don't assume everybody is like me.

That's why I'm more careful.

 

In this particular case, my assessment was that't it's better to eat the cost and not come back.

Don't see much benefit in starting a potential argument with the SP. I concluded that if she really cared, she would have done something about it already.

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[bewlayb 7480]

I fear my earlier post on this thread was misconstrued and may have partially triggered this incredible fire storm. I am in no way advocating that this forum adopt a negative review policy (as if I had that much influence anyway). On the contrary, I am quite happy with the current policy. It's what makes this forum unique and creates an environment that allows us to engage so easily with the many lovely ladies who hang out here. There are plenty of other forums available if you really feel the need to express a negative view or ignite a bitchfest.

 

The point I was trying to make is that this is a very good place to do your research if you want to find providers with positive reputations based on client experiences. Just don't assume that negatives don't or can't exist. That would be naive.

 

I have enjoyed the company of many wonderful ladies because of this forum (Megforfun, Cleo Catra, Karine19, Kinky Kendra, Lovely London, Lonna Lux to name just a few) and I have dozens more I wish to meet before they retire or I run out of gas or cash.

 

As for the OP topic:

- Eating crackers in bed.

[Guest E*******h S******s]

"Humiliate" !? :) Would never do that, whether in person or through an email. That sounds too personal. :)

What I wanted to say is that if the lady was advertising on a forum where negative feedbacks are common, she would be mentaly ready to take some critiziam as part of a process.

 

If I approach her directly, not knowing that others had a chance to express their disliking, there is a chance that she might not be "ready" and take it too personally.

 

But, I might be wrong. Some people might have other oppinions/experiences, which I respect.

 

Cheers,

H.

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You may not do that in person or in an email but by posting your negative experience on a public board when you didn't have the intestinal fortitude to say it to the escort herself is humiliating.

 

Your reasoning that "she may be more prepared mentally to take the criticism on a review board" is erroneous. When a person's perception of another's faults are outed on an open forum, it's embarrassing and hurtful.

 

Finally, your reasoning that she is less likely to be vindictive because you have outed her on an open forum is also completely off the mark. Whatever angst and upset she feels in private will be multiplied by 10.

 

But again, that's just me. Now I am off to give and receive some positivity. Have a lovely evening all! xox

[Cleo Catra 178382]

I have enjoyed the company of many wonderful ladies because of this forum (Megforfun, Cleo Catra, Karine19, Kinky Kendra, Lovely London, Lonna Lux to name just a few) and I have dozens more I wish to meet before they retire or I run out of gas or cash.

 

As for the OP topic:

- Eating crackers in bed.

 

What if me and all of those ladies you mentioned were eating crackers in bed, together.... :D

[Miss Scarlett 25073]

I leave the door open all the time. What is the big deal? We just seen each other naked, so why should I be "shy" and close the door?

 

I don't understand guys hang ups about closing the bathroom door.

 

 

She asked to use the bathroom...do you think she could close the door, she left it wide open

RG

[Peachka 4334]

Charging extra for basic services is a turn off!

[Guest **n****er]

One of the main reasons why I continue to burn a steady flow of "fun money" on strip clubs rather than SP's EVEN though I know an SP experience is what I crave is due to what Hornet has tried to describe.

 

Doing due diligence and researching reco's from well respected members here at CERB is an awesome way to weed out potential issues. But let's face it, just as every SP is different so is true for the gents. I don't know about allowing negative comments, but I understand what Hornet is trying to say.

 

I really can't state a strong opinion one way or another since I'm a hobbyist virgin, but I sort of get the impression that even stating a contrary view to the masses, even if it's a personal opinion - is met with less than favorable responses.

 

As I said, there are 3 or 4 wonderful ladies here on cerb that I would LOVE to spend some time with and get to know better. But the things that are not being said tend to hold me back. Well that and the fact that I'm a little ashamed of my fetishes. LOL

[rickkm 328]

When the SP chooses the sexuaL positon(s), as opposed to what the client wants/prefers.....total trun off!!

[Lexy Grace 103697]

When the SP chooses the sexuaL positon(s), as opposed to what the client wants/prefers.....total trun off!!

 

I believe an encounter should be mutual and both parties should have fun and be pleasured, just not one sided because you paid the lady. Just my opinion.

 

Lexy

[Sensual Erin 33928]

With everything aside, this thread is an example of airing out the dirty laundry and generally a negative thread.

 

There is a rule about airing out dirty laundry, tiffs, etc. This is not allowed here.

 

There's been a few threads of this nature and the outcome is never positive for those involved. If you are in hopes of this being read by the SP in question, that in my opinion could be looked upon as cowardly, and attention seeking. I don't mean to offend but that is what I think when I read threads of this nature.

[bewlayb 7480]

What I wanted to say is that if the lady was advertising on a forum where negative feedbacks are common, she would be mentaly ready to take some critiziam as part of a process.

 

If I approach her directly, not knowing that others had a chance to express their disliking, there is a chance that she might not be "ready" and take it too personally.

 

Really and truly, nobody likes to receive negative feedback, whether it be in public or private. We would much rather receive praise. That's human nature (and animal nature too btw!). But, having your negative feedback broadcast in public makes it much worse. True, certain situations may establish the possibility for public airing, but it doesn't make it more palatable. You just develop a thicker skin (if you're fortunate). If negative feedback must be delivered, it is always best to do it discreetly, one-on-one in private.

 

If you don't agree, then you must either be a cyborg or my current manager. ;)

[Hornet 71]

You may not do that in person or in an email but by posting your negative experience on a public board when you didn't have the intestinal fortitude to say it to the escort herself is humiliating.

 

Your reasoning that "she may be more prepared mentally to take the criticism on a review board" is erroneous. When a person's perception of another's faults are outed on an open forum, it's embarrassing and hurtful.

 

Finally, your reasoning that she is less likely to be vindictive because you have outed her on an open forum is also completely off the mark. Whatever angst and upset she feels in private will be multiplied by 10.

 

But again, that's just me. Now I am off to give and receive some positivity. Have a lovely evening all! xox

 

Well, I guess we at least agree to disagree. We all had different experiences in our lives that drive our behaviors. You obviously had different experiences then mine, so we disagree, which is all Ok ! ;)

 

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With everything aside, this thread is an example of airing out the dirty laundry and generally a negative thread.

 

There is a rule about airing out dirty laundry, tiffs, etc. This is not allowed here.

 

There's been a few threads of this nature and the outcome is never positive for those involved. If you are in hopes of this being read by the SP in question, that in my opinion could be looked upon as cowardly, and attention seeking. I don't mean to offend but that is what I think when I read threads of this nature.

 

Sorry, but I disagree. Why would the sharing of the truth about what we, the customers, like or not be a negative thread?

Don't you ladies want to know what turns on or off your clients for sake of your successful business?

 

If you read my original thread I wanted to hear if other guys experienced some turn-offs like myself. Nothing more that that. And I really don't see how that interferes with the policy of this forum. The focus was on the service in general, started by a real-life example. We just shared our opinion about quality of services and what we like or not.

 

I also find this thread quite educational, at least now I know what the SPs think is the right approach if I came across a "bad" service in the future. Nothing wrong about it.

 

Although based on the MA's comments I am starting to realize the same thing "sinnester" mentioned earlier, "even stating a contrary view to the masses, even if it's a personal opinion - is met with less than favorable responses", I truly hope that's not the case.

 

 

Cheers,

hornet

[rickkm 328]

Well, I guess we at least agree to disagree. We all had different experiences in our lives that drive our behaviors. You obviously had different experiences then mine, so we disagree, which is all Ok ! ;)

 

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Sorry, but I disagree. Why would the sharing of the truth about what we, the customers, like or not be a negative thread?

Don't you ladies want to know what turns on or off your clients for sake of your successful business?

 

A turn off means one will likely never visit that SP again so I think this thread is terrible important to all SP's; business is business and if I had one I would certainly listen to my customers. He/she may not be right all the time as often stated, but a happy customer is usually a repeat customer so ladies, do not feel offended. The aim is to improve the business and thus make it a win win!!:icon_smile:

[Hornet 71]

Totally agree with you Rickkm. I hope the ladies see the importance of the feedback as well. We can all benefit from that.

 

Cheers,

H

[Sensual Erin 33928]

It's interesting to see how the tone of a question can be misunderstood or create questioning. It could have been written differently so we all understand your intent. When you mention that your experience was with an SP on this board will cause questions. If your tone would have been a general question about what we all think in regards to this topic, rather than the third party public airing, it would have a different outcome.

 

Everyone has an opinion and things can be misunderstood and lost in writing. I'm finished with this topic and agree to disagree.

 

 

 

 

 

Well, I guess we at least agree to disagree. We all had different experiences in our lives that drive our behaviors. You obviously had different experiences then mine, so we disagree, which is all Ok ! ;)

 

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Sorry, but I disagree. Why would the sharing of the truth about what we, the customers, like or not be a negative thread?

Don't you ladies want to know what turns on or off your clients for sake of your successful business?

 

If you read my original thread I wanted to hear if other guys experienced some turn-offs like myself. Nothing more that that. And I really don't see how that interferes with the policy of this forum. Nobody was pointed out, or identified. We just shared our opinion about quality of services and what we like or not.

 

I am more more agreeing with what sinnester mentioned earlier, " even stating a contrary view to the masses, even if it's a personal opinion - is met with less than favorable responses."

 

I hope that's not the case ...in general.

 

Cheers,

hornet

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

Sorry, but I disagree. Why would the sharing of the truth about what we, the customers, like or not be a negative thread?

Because the way you phrased the opening post, it wasn't about what you like and don't like, it was specifically about what you don't like, thus focussing on the negative.

Don't you ladies want to know what turns on or off your clients for sake of your successful business?

I'll be honest: I've never learned anything useful from a business perspective from these threads on CERB. From these threads, you get two kinds of information:

 

1) Common Sense. I don't need hobbiests to tell me that they don't like a cluttered incall, dirty bathroom, or an SP/MA who talks on the phone throughout the appointment. This is common sense.

 

2) Subjective preferences. This is not useful information to me from a business perspective. What one person likes, another person dislikes. I don't conform myself to what my clients want, but rather I select clients who enjoy what I enjoy offering.

 

I learn how to run my business using my own brain, and feedback from real clients who fill out my screening questionnaire where I ask them what kind of experience they are looking for, and from their visits. Random threads on CERB are not helpful to me.

 

When seeking advice for my business, I don't generally ask hobbiests but I ask other women in the industry. I get the most solid advice from them.

[bewlayb 7480]

When the SP chooses the sexuaL positon(s), as opposed to what the client wants/prefers.....total trun off!!

 

I believe an encounter should be mutual and both parties should have fun and be pleasured, just not one sided because you paid the lady. Just my opinion.

 

Lexy

 

I always like to take turns choosing positions. And I always let the lady choose first. This is a bit of a risk on my part because some positions finish me off quicker than others. :icon_razz: Just goes to show you though, one person's negative experience is another person's positive.

[Hornet 71]

Because the way you phrased the opening post' date=' it wasn't about what you like and don't like, it was specifically about what you don't like, thus focussing on the negative.

 

I'll be honest: I've never learned anything useful from a business perspective from these threads on CERB. From these threads, you get two kinds of information:

 

1) Common Sense. I don't need hobbiests to tell me that they don't like a cluttered incall, dirty bathroom, or an SP/MA who talks on the phone throughout the appointment. This is common sense.

 

2) Subjective preferences. This is not useful information to me from a business perspective. What one person likes, another person dislikes. I don't conform myself to what my clients want, but rather I select clients who enjoy what I enjoy offering.

 

I learn how to run my business using my own brain, and feedback from real clients who fill out my screening questionnaire where I ask them what kind of experience they are looking for, and from their visits. Random threads on CERB are not helpful to me.

 

When seeking advice for my business, I don't generally ask hobbiests but I ask other women in the industry. I get the most solid advice from them.[/quote']

 

Well, based on other posts from the clients, not all SPs have common sense around here. :) Otherwise, dirty bathroom, messy rooms or not so clean SPs wouldn't happen.

 

As explain before, it is not just the ignorance it's also the lack of knowledge and sense how to run a successful client-focused, sustainable business. Running a successful, sustainable business is not just matter of common sense, it's more then that. Believe me I know what I am saying, as I am running one. :)

 

Having questionnaire is ok but it can provide you with just a brief insight of what a client might be looking for. In many cases people don't tell you right away what they don't like especially if they are interested in becoming your customer. Or maybe they simply don't know what they like until they experience your service or location and compare it to others.

 

And, if someone really wants to expand he/her customers base, it shouldn't be limiting their focus on just a small group of people. Listening what "other" consumers think and need might be equally useful, because they are all potential customers.

 

But, let's not get too much into the business stuff, it's more complex then it looks especially in a competitive environment . :)

 

But one of the simple but yet effective rules is: if you want to run a client-focused business, listen to your clients (current and potential) to make sure you are providing what they are looking for otherwise they might be leaving for greener pastures :)

 

Cheers,

H

[Phaedrus 209521]

Nothing gets the message across more than never re-booking!

 

Yes, I'd imagine that would be the case if nobody ever re-booked, but I don't know that it's reasonable to make assumptions about any individual case. There's always a balance to be struck between tried-and-tested vs new-and-exciting vs not-burning-too-large-a-hole-in-the-wallet. There are many ladies here who I don't see anywhere near as often as I'd like, and many others who I'd love to meet but just haven't yet...

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

Well, based on other posts from the clients, not all SPs have common sense around here. :) Otherwise, dirty bathroom, messy rooms or not so clean SPs wouldn't happen.

I believe the SP's with dirty bathrooms have dirty bathrooms because they don't care, not because of ignorance. How stupid could we possibly be that we think clients like dirty bathrooms?

As explain before, it is not just the ignorance it's also the lack of knowledge and sense how to run a successful client-focused, sustainable business.

As a business person yourself, I'm sure you understand that it can be belittling when a client tells you how to run your business. YOU are the professional. Business advice is best received when it comes from another person in the business, not a client. Trust me, I've received tons of ridiculous "advice" over the years from well-meaning people who have no idea what they are talking about.

But one of the simple but yet effective rules is: if you want to run a client-focused business, listen to your clients (current and potential) to make sure you are providing what they are looking for otherwise they might be leaving for greener pastures :)

This is not how I choose to operate, and I still pride myself in running a successful business. I don't wish to conform myself to what "the clients" want. Instead, with the inspiration of others, I've created a service that I enjoy offering, and I seek clients who want that service.

 

What I've developed for myself over the past couple years is a client-base of wonderful gentlemen whose company I truly enjoy. They enjoy what I have to offer, and I enjoy offering it. If I were constantly trying to conform to "what the client wants" I would not enjoy what I do. It's not that hard to do things the other way around.

[Malika Fantasy 144625]

 

But one of the simple but yet effective rules is: if you want to run a client-focused business, listen to your clients (current and potential) to make sure you are providing what they are looking for otherwise they might be leaving for greener pastures :)

 

Cheers,

H

 

Listen maybe...but if no one point to the SP what are the things they can improve it won't happen. We aren't able to read minds.

[Hornet 71]

I believe the SP's with dirty bathrooms have dirty bathrooms because they don't care' date=' not because of ignorance. How stupid could we possibly be that we think clients like dirty bathrooms?

 

As a business person yourself, I'm sure you understand that it can be belittling when a client tells you how to run your business. YOU are the professional. Business advice is best received when it comes from another person in the business, not a client. Trust me, I've received tons of ridiculous "advice" over the years from well-meaning people who have no idea what they are talking about.

 

This is not how I choose to operate, and I still pride myself in running a successful business. I don't wish to conform myself to what "the clients" want. Instead, I've created a service that [i']I enjoy[/i] offering, and I seek clients who want that service.

 

What I've developed for myself over the past couple years is a client-base of wonderful gentlemen whose company I truly enjoy. They enjoy what I have to offer, and I enjoy offering it. If I were constantly trying to conform to "what the client wants" I would not enjoy what I do. It's not that hard to do things the other way around.

 

Megan,

 

I never said that business owners should learn from their clients how to run the business. What I said is that every successful business owner should care about their clients' needs. Those are two different things.

 

I agree, every owner chooses what type and size of business he/she wants to run, making sure he/she feels comfortable with it. The ability to enjoy it is very important especially in this type of business, but unfortunately can limit the profit. It all depends on what the business' strategic goal is. Some people look for more pleasure, while others for more money. Nothing wrong with neither, as long as you are profitable and comfortable with it.

 

I was just stating general rule, in case someone wants to expand his/her client base. :)

 

Cheers,

H

[Cleo Catra 178382]

But one of the simple but yet effective rules is: if you want to run a client-focused business, listen to your clients (current and potential) to make sure you are providing what they are looking for otherwise they might be leaving for greener pastures :)

 

Cheers,

H

 

Couldn't agree more. However, what you're not listening to, is a group of successful business owners, like myself and the other girls in here, who are saying we DO this, but it's more effective by giving feedback directly to the business owners, rather than broadcasting it to current and potential customers.

[Megan'sTouch 23875]

Megan,

 

I never said that business owners should learn from their clients how to run the business. What I said is that every successful business owner should care about their clients' needs. Those are two different things.

 

I agree, every owner chooses what type and size of business he/she want to run, making sure he/she feels comfortable with it. The ability to enjoy it is very important especially in this type of business.

 

I was just stating general rule, in case someone wants to expand his/her client base. :)

 

Cheers,

H

I highlighted the bold.

 

First, I agree with the sentence highlighting "their clients". The more often we see each other, and the more I like you, the more I will bend over backwards to keep you happy. Although I always aim to provide a top notch experience, I do not extend this to someone new.

 

I think the second sentence is key. I'm personally not interested in expanding my client base. I see my regulars + 1 or maybe 2 new people a week and that is more than enough for me. I have other life goals and at this time, expanding my client base is not one of them.