Respect

[Phaedrus 209521]

I know some hobbiests do it to ensure their experience will be exactly as they want, but how does it make it sexy if you know ahead of time?

 

I'm inclined to agree with you - but I really don't think this is something where we're ever going to find a common standard that suits everyone.

 

First up, I think quite a few guys go to SPs to experience particular things, whatever they may be - and quite often these things are not abstract nouns, but things that can be quite precisely described with an appropriate... menu item, for want of a better term. If that's your objective, it would seem wise to ensure that you're going to get what you want simply to avoid disappointment; avoiding disappointment benefits everyone in the long run.

 

Secondly, I think pretty much all the ladies hereabouts make it pretty clear in their ads/websites what they do and don't do, and where the boundaries are. This strikes me as entirely necessary, but does that not already remove some of the mystery? Whether I'm visiting a MA or a SP offering other activities, I may not be able (or wish) to predict exactly what's going to happen, but it's usually pretty easy to predict some things that won't.

 

Finally, I just don't agree that knowing that something's going to happen ahead of time makes it any less sexy when it does. Sometimes, anticipation is half the fun :)

[scribbles 6031]

I'm a little ambivalent here.

 

To begin with, I'm a lurker. Not because I have little to say or little activity in my mind, moreso because I am of the habit to sit back and drink things in and roll them around in my mind. So, I don't write recommendations. This isn't because I disliked the experience, but rather because it's between me and the woman I was with. It's not a test drive of a Volvo. However, I respect that this is a review board, so when in Rome, dudes do like the Inca.

 

I'm uncomfortable with a number of terms. "Hobby," for instance, would probably offend me more as an SP than most other words being debated here. We're sharing an intimate moment with a woman, not collecting stamps or Hummels. I refuse to refer to myself as a hobbyist for this reason.

 

I'm not a fan of publicly describing a woman's anatomy in graphic detail, but accept that this is a review board, so dudes will do as the Inca. It's why this is here. I can think of worse things to call a vagina than a kitty. In fact, I'd say "pussy" is even worse. Apparently in earlier times, a person could insult a woman by calling them a sausage wallet. Kitty is downright Puritan by comparison. But, maybe graphic questions are better left to private messages.

 

Tone is always lost in text. So, it's hard to say that someone did or didn't say something with ill intent. The only thing we can all assume until proven otherwise is that things are written with good intention here.

 

As a parting thought, one could argue that it's as much a matter of safety for the SP that expectations are spelled out a little here. What's worse? A guy asking how big your nether lips are, or a guy getting aggressive in person because you aren't what they expected? And no, I'm not condoning the latter in excusing the former.

[Guest E*******h S******s]

Interesting. As Bowmchickabowm stated, everybody has a different perception. I believe that when the focus remains on certain services and body parts, it tends to take the humanity out of the experience

 

Personally, if there is a particular "menu item" or body part that you are concerned with, that tells me that we won't have chemistry. I'm more about the entirety of the experience. There are things that I wouldn't generally allow but might do if the circumstances and chemistry was right. So I honestly can't tell you with any certainty whether I prefer DATY over digits, because I don't have a clue as to how you perform either. I can tell you that if your biggest concern is whether or not I shave or what my breast size is or whether I allow Greek, I know that you aren't on the same page as I am and it would be best for both of us if you went elsewhere.

 

As I said before, we are more than body parts or the services we provide. As I also stated, I don't believe for a second that my opinion is going to change many minds. But I'm just as entitled to post my opinion (however unpopular) as others are.

[mrgreen760 37785]

I find the word respect so overused in today's society. Overpaid athletes saying " It's not about the money...I'm not about the money....it's about respect!! Or how entering another neighborhood can some how be contrused as some one or thing being some how

"disrespected".

 

My first reaction these days when I read it or hear it is for my eyes to glaze over. It has become so overblown and overused.

 

Willingness to show consideration or appreciation of another.

 

Not sure if that's respect but it sums it up for me.

 

Peace

MG

[lipualipua 4704]

IMHO to each their own, as long as people are not intentionally disrespecting others (individually or in group form).

 

Not everyone has the same delicate constitution, nor hardened sense of self - and that's Great, as everyone having the same looks and/or character would make a monotonously boring World. Variety is the spice of life. Ying to Yang.

 

As OC Transpo puts it: Respect and courtesy are a two-way street. Unfortunately, in a collective, that often falls to the lowest common denominator. Just watch most any news show - it's not the intelligent demographic that's being targeted, rather the opposite. Ex: Fox News

 

A rose by any other name is still as sweet and beautiful, or thorny and stinky - depending the eye of the beholder.

 

Like TV, if I don't like the program on the boobtube, I have the free will in a deterministic universe to simply change the channel, as much as I can go online and blog aboot it. Got to love freedom and choice!

 

Party-on CERB!! (...as I can only assume if there is something totally egregious, the Mods will take corrective action accordingly.)

Bown : I find myself agreeing with you. I have communicated with two ladies in the past few weeks and in both I made reference to size of body parts. One lady kept mum to my questions while the other, incidentally much younger, laughed about it, prefacing her message with LOL. Of course with the older lady,I took her silence to mean she was not comfortable talking this way so I ceased such talk. Bottom Line: I am almost 100% sure that CERB men never consciously attempt to demean the ladies. People approach things differently. If a line has been crossed, it is most likely not out of malice.

 

Additional Comments:

mrgreen760 wrote: find the word respect so overused in today's society. Overpaid athletes saying " It's not about the money...I'm not about the money....it's about respect!! Or how entering another neighborhood can some how be contrused as some one or thing being some how

"disrespected".

 

How I laughed out loud on reading this! My eyes watered like a fountain. Cheers.

[Soleil Sublime 38108]

I don't quite get it. So this is about vulgarity in the usage of words on cerb? Granted, some of the terminology isn't great, but who cares? We're adults here and if you dislike a thread title, do not click on it, do not read the posts within and certainly do not partake in the discussion. This place is about freedom. Freedom of expression (mostly) and sexual freedom. We're all here because we want to be. No one is forcing us. But keep in mind what type of board this is. It is a board to freely discuss anything and everything to do with sex, which is why we're all here! I prefer to keep things classy, and I don't use raunchy terminology or expressions, because it doesn't accurately reflect my personality. I'm confident that comes through by my not answering to certain threads. That's all I do. I don't waste precious energy getting all riled up about what someone across the country decided to start a thread on. It's fine that you find some threads offensive, but I think you need to grow a thicker skin and remember where you are. Sex can be respectful, but it can also be dirty, sweaty, raunchy and nasty. Which is ok too!

[Daniel17 3616]

Lots of guys and maybe some girls may hate this post, but here goes....

 

I used to browse CERB a lot, not because of all the wonderful women, but the boards had some intelligent, insightful conversations about meaningful things. It gave me insight about perspectives that I wouldn't have thought of, educated me about issues that I didn't know too much about, and sometimes even just was a thread for a nice laugh.

 

Lately though, to be honest, people may hate this, but I think a lot of the threads here are $%#$. I'm talking about threads such as the Best Bums on the Planet, DATY vs DIGITS, How to get extras in a strip club, Red Head Appreciation Group, etc. I think they involve very little thought, and are treating the women here like they are on a lesser level. It's like they are judges on American Idol, and the women are contestants. I think the people think just because they have the freedom to write or post whatever they want, they have the power to nitpick on every single little negative thing about the girls. They might not think they are doing it with these threads, but let's be real, they are.

 

How would the guys like if they were put on a stage? Spotlight shining right on them. I'm sure anybody put on that stage with the spotlight right on them, with a judge, judging them would find numerous negatives. I just don't think it's right. I think they are shallow.

 

To be honest, I am sad that all these threads exist. Sure I don't have to look at them and I don't. But it saddens me that a majority of the threads when I open up the general discussion are exactly like that.

 

I don't even look at the reco's to be honest. To be brutally honest, I think they're $hit. These girls aren't like take-out or delivery. You just can't pick out all the items on a plate and expect to get it from a girl. Every experience should be unique, and to be honest, when choosing a girl, it isn't because somebody writes they give expletive expletive expletive sloppy hot wet bare back blowjob, I'll choose her because I find a connection thru PM's, e-mails, whatever. These girls aren't just menu items, or can be replicated. They are unique, and each session is unique. Just because situation A happens with billy bob, doesn't mean situation A will happen with Willy Wonka. Each session is unique, and I'm glad it's that way.

 

These women aren't robotic, they are real human beings. I wish guys started treating them that way.

 

Sure, you have the freedom to write whatever you want. But whatever happened to simple common courtesy and respect?

[Guest W***ledi*Time]

For me, it's cumulatively spirit-crushing and depressing to sign onto Cerb every day and see the endless client-bashing. The exasperating blanket statements that assign ludicrously-imagined opinions and attitudes to the gents. The constant attempts to twist members' often-innocent words and to mischaracterize them as revealing some sort of malevolent intent. Others besides me are bewildered and revolted by this as well. Guys can and do endure plenty of this in the straight world, at home and at work. They don't have to come on Cerb for more of the same.

 

I invite everyone to ask themselves just which clients are being driven away with these constant attacks. And which forum participants are gradually falling more and more silent. Is it the callous guys who don't and never will care, or is it the sensitive guys who take all this stuff too personally and introspectively internalize the tide of hostility that they feel washing over them constantly? I invite everyone to ask themselves - who is learning what? Cerb is a place where the ladies and clients should be able to talk to each other and learn from each other. Bullying and silencing any client who might have something to say, would leave only the yes-ma'am yes-ma'am posters. Which would be the absolute end of the two-way dialogue and two-way learning here.

 

I strongly believe that there should be room for the clients here to enjoy themselves, too - and to vent a tiny bit of testosterone here and there. Testosterone is not entirely evil, despite its being, by its nature, occasionally "over-enthusiastic". Without over-enthusiastic testosterone, there'd be no demand for escorts in the first place.

[SamanthaEvans 166767]

I'm a member of the -ERB boards that start with P and T, in addition to this one. I may have posted 6-10 times on the others, maybe less. For awhile, I advertised on one of them and I may again, but not because I enjoy the conversation or reading the vile things that are written there. I'm a businesswoman and it's my experience that some very fine gentlemen do take the time to weed through the nonsense to find the woman who's right for them and then they often spend a considerable amount of money on her. I'm willing to be discovered by such men.

 

See, that's where I start. I didn't decide to be a paid companion because I have a tender heart. I got into this business because I needed the income. I know who I am and what I have to offer; I know that there are very, very few others like me in this business; I have a reasonable grasp of economic theory. So, I took a risk and things have worked out very well.

 

The sex trade is built upon the objectification of women. There's no question about that. However, I'm old enough and I've been around long enough that I can say that the "best <insert body part>" threads seem a bit trite to me, but I'm not offended by them. Men like to look at all kinds of women, all the time. It's how their minds are wired. I appreciate gorgeous young women who seem to spend all their waking hours at the gym, too. Moreover, I think I understand something about the fantasy that drives those "best of" threads and I know that it's got nothing to do with me, or the women in the photos. Not at all.

 

Most men don't come within a country mile of looking like Adonis, or David, or George Clooney. Personally, I find something bittersweet about middle-aged men mooning over young models and stunningly beautiful-looking escorts, wanting them, wanting to feel the way they hope they would feel if they were with those girls, or the way they think they might have felt and looked, themselves, when they were her age.

 

I have an inkling that one of the down-sides of spending time with those photos is that a man has to feel a kind of dull sadness at some level, at least once in a while. Because, even if he can get that woman to see him, even if he can touch her and have sex with her, he can't have her. Not because there's anything wrong with her, or even that there's anything wrong with him, but because even he really wants something much more complex, engaging and enthralling than simple beauty, perfect breasts or a firm, round backside. What he really, really wants isn't what she's selling and he can't buy it, anywhere.

 

That unattainable factor can be frustrating for some men, it's true. A very few become angry, embittered, misogynistic because they feel they're entitled to have what they've seen, especially if they can pay for it. But the grand majority of men aren't like this at all. They do distinguish between fantasy and reality. They know that a paid companion is a real woman with thoughts, needs, concerns and an imagination and a spirit of her own. Men want to have some fun, relax a bit, forget about the rest of the world for an hour or two. Most don't want to hurt anyone, including the companion. Most do their best to treat us well. This is my experience, at least.

 

As for the threads that ask whether companions prefer this activity or that one, or whether they do this thing or another one, they don't bother me at all. I don't reply to them too often, but I do sometimes, because I've learned that as much as men like to portray themselves as knowledgeable and highly experienced, the simple fact is that most are not, no matter how many women they've been with. Most are much more shy than they'll admit. They hope that doing this, touching here, nuzzling there, trying to be gentle when it's the time for that, and trying to be more controlling when it's time for that too, everything will be okay.

 

The fact is that they don't know whether this or that touch feels the way they want it to, or how to go about discussing the one special thing they hope they might be able to do. And I know that when someone starts a thread about "digits," even though most of the men will say, in sober, serious tones, that they always wash their hands thoroughly, they always make sure their nails are neatly trimmed and filed, they always make sure to move smoothly and slowly with lots of lube.... they're not really telling the truth. All that matters is that they've gotten the message: there are some things they need to keep in mind that maybe they hadn't thought about.

 

I think this is one of the great things about CERB. Our society isn't half as liberated as it likes to imagine. Men and women don't talk about sex very often or very well. Asking questions takes a lot of nerve. No one wants to seem ignorant or inept, but none of us learned a damn thing about love-making in high school sex ed classes. How bodies feel, what feels good, what can feel good under certain circumstances, what might be wonderful in other circumstances--where did we learn that? Heck, from my high school sex ed classes, all I learned was that menstruation was a manageable hassle, pregnancy was a huge issue and that there were some nasty "venereal diseases" out there. No one ever mentioned orgasms, let alone masturbation (solo or mutual), hand-jobs or blow jobs. I learned about those things, clumsily, in various parked cars with others who didn't know any more than I did.

 

But men can come here and ask questions about what women like and how to do it, or why some are reluctant to do some things but will do others. Where else can they go to get this kind of information? Not at home! If a couple doesn't have frank, open, gentle and loving conversations about their bodies, how they work and what each person likes and doesn't like--if they don't have those conversations in the early months of their relationship, they will never have them at all, no matter how many decades they're together.

 

So, as far as I'm concerned, go ahead, ask. Use whatever words you're comfortable with. I know what you mean, even if I don't like the word. That word isn't about me, anyway. Ask about anal sex. Ask about what we like in DATY. Ask about how we like to have our breasts touched, how to kiss us, how to do anything and everything you're interested in doing. Notice that six of us will give at least eight different responses. Notice too, that, as far as I can remember, none of us will say that you're a fool for asking, or that you have no right to know. If you ask me, I will feel honoured by your vulnerability and trust.

 

I don't think many women enjoy the idea that men just want to get together in some locker room and compare notes about who had whom and how good she was or wasn't, whether she looked as good naked as she did dressed, how far she let them get with her and what they think someone else could try with her next time. We don't like that. But I don't see a lot of that, here. It happens, to some degree, in the recommendations and in the threads about how to push the boundaries in the strip club or whether the massage artists will go farther than advertised. I think that the writers of those threads speak for themselves. Everyone is advertising here, all the time.

 

I'm as likely to be over-sensitive as anyone else is, at times. Some days, I don't like reading the boards. Other days, I find things here that make me want to cry because they're so real, so open, so vulnerable and true. Some days I'm patient. Other days, I'm a cranky bitch. Turning off the computer on bad days and taking the dog to run along the beach can be the best thing.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

but I think you need to grow a thicker skin and remember where you are.

 

Actually this is good advice and believe it or not I need this med too. I have no problem with acronyms and substituted words like Daty or Kitty (and I think the best bums and red head appreciation thread and shaved/unshaved are best threads on cerb) and I use it often myself but what I really hate to see or read or hear are what I consider the real undesirable words like f*** or s**t that regretfully the former has been used in this very same thread ironically by one defending the original post!!!! (and the latter in another thread by same). I absolutely hate those words and they darken my days/morning as they did today, but I understand that this board does not belong to me and I am just one of the participants and what I do as soon as I come across these undesirable words I move away and that is my advise too to the OP. But yes I need to grow thicker skin too and remember that this is an escort recommendation board which is an adult board. Belonging to a community brings along tolerence and respect for other members's views and choices. I sometimes feel like I have to walk on egg shells on this adult board so that I don't offend anyone lol and sometimes I change my mind about posting or starting a thread because of that and I am sure I am not alone in this. Lets grow a thicker skin lol!!!.

[Guest E*******h S******s]

I'm a member of the -ERB boards that start with P and T, in addition to this one. I may have posted 6-10 times on the others, maybe less. For awhile, I advertised on one of them and I may again, but not because I enjoy the conversation or reading the vile things that are written there. I'm a businesswoman and it's my experience that some very fine gentlemen do take the time to weed through the nonsense to find the woman who's right for them and then they often spend a considerable amount of money on her. I'm willing to be discovered by such men.

 

See, that's where I start. I didn't decide to be a paid companion because I have a tender heart. I got into this business because I needed the income. I know who I am and what I have to offer; I know that there are very, very few others like me in this business; I have a reasonable grasp of economic theory. So, I took a risk and things have worked out very well.

 

The sex trade is built upon the objectification of women. There's no question about that. However, I'm old enough and I've been around long enough that I can say that the "best <insert body part>" threads seem a bit trite to me, but I'm not offended by them. Men like to look at all kinds of women, all the time. It's how their minds are wired. I appreciate gorgeous young women who seem to spend all their waking hours at the gym, too. Moreover, I think I understand something about the fantasy that drives those "best of" threads and I know that it's got nothing to do with me, or the women in the photos. Not at all.

 

Most men don't come within a country mile of looking like Adonis, or David, or George Clooney. Personally, I find something bittersweet about middle-aged men mooning over young models and stunningly beautiful-looking escorts, wanting them, wanting to feel the way they hope they would feel if they were with those girls, or the way they think they might have felt and looked, themselves, when they were her age.

 

I have an inkling that one of the down-sides of spending time with those photos is that a man has to feel a kind of dull sadness at some level, at least once in a while. Because, even if he can get that woman to see him, even if he can touch her and have sex with her, he can't have her. Not because there's anything wrong with her, or even that there's anything wrong with him, but because even he really wants something much more complex, engaging and enthralling than simple beauty, perfect breasts or a firm, round backside. What he really, really wants isn't what she's selling and he can't buy it, anywhere.

 

That unattainable factor can be frustrating for some men, it's true. A very few become angry, embittered, misogynistic because they feel they're entitled to have what they've seen, especially if they can pay for it. But the grand majority of men aren't like this at all. They do distinguish between fantasy and reality. They know that a paid companion is a real woman with thoughts, needs, concerns and an imagination and a spirit of her own. Men want to have some fun, relax a bit, forget about the rest of the world for an hour or two. Most don't want to hurt anyone, including the companion. Most do their best to treat us well. This is my experience, at least.

 

As for the threads that ask whether companions prefer this activity or that one, or whether they do this thing or another one, they don't bother me at all. I don't reply to them too often, but I do sometimes, because I've learned that as much as men like to portray themselves as knowledgeable and highly experienced, the simple fact is that most are not, no matter how many women they've been with. Most are much more shy than they'll admit. They hope that doing this, touching here, nuzzling there, trying to be gentle when it's the time for that, and trying to be more controlling when it's time for that too, everything will be okay.

 

The fact is that they don't know whether this or that touch feels the way they want it to, or how to go about discussing the one special thing they hope they might be able to do. And I know that when someone starts a thread about "digits," even though most of the men will say, in sober, serious tones, that they always wash their hands thoroughly, they always make sure their nails are neatly trimmed and filed, they always make sure to move smoothly and slowly with lots of lube.... they're not really telling the truth. All that matters is that they've gotten the message: there are some things they need to keep in mind that maybe they hadn't thought about.

 

I think this is one of the great things about CERB. Our society isn't half as liberated as it likes to imagine. Men and women don't talk about sex very often or very well. Asking questions takes a lot of nerve. No one wants to seem ignorant or inept, but none of us learned a damn thing about love-making in high school sex ed classes. How bodies feel, what feels good, what can feel good under certain circumstances, what might be wonderful in other circumstances--where did we learn that? Heck, from my high school sex ed classes, all I learned was that menstruation was a manageable hassle, pregnancy was a huge issue and that there were some nasty "venereal diseases" out there. No one ever mentioned orgasms, let alone masturbation (solo or mutual), hand-jobs or blow jobs. I learned about those things, clumsily, in various parked cars with others who didn't know any more than I did.

 

But men can come here and ask questions about what women like and how to do it, or why some are reluctant to do some things but will do others. Where else can they go to get this kind of information? Not at home! If a couple doesn't have frank, open, gentle and loving conversations about their bodies, how they work and what each person likes and doesn't like--if they don't have those conversations in the early months of their relationship, they will never have them at all, no matter how many decades they're together.

 

So, as far as I'm concerned, go ahead, ask. Use whatever words you're comfortable with. I know what you mean, even if I don't like the word. That word isn't about me, anyway. Ask about anal sex. Ask about what we like in DATY. Ask about how we like to have our breasts touched, how to kiss us, how to do anything and everything you're interested in doing. Notice that six of us will give at least eight different responses. Notice too, that, as far as I can remember, none of us will say that you're a fool for asking, or that you have no right to know. If you ask me, I will feel honoured by your vulnerability and trust.

 

I don't think many women enjoy the idea that men just want to get together in some locker room and compare notes about who had whom and how good she was or wasn't, whether she looked as good naked as she did dressed, how far she let them get with her and what they think someone else could try with her next time. We don't like that. But I don't see a lot of that, here. It happens, to some degree, in the recommendations and in the threads about how to push the boundaries in the strip club or whether the massage artists will go farther than advertised. I think that the writers of those threads speak for themselves. Everyone is advertising here, all the time.

 

I'm as likely to be over-sensitive as anyone else is, at times. Some days, I don't like reading the boards. Other days, I find things here that make me want to cry because they're so real, so open, so vulnerable and true. Some days I'm patient. Other days, I'm a cranky bitch. Turning off the computer on bad days and taking the dog to run along the beach can be the best thing.

 

This is the best post I've read on this or any other board. I'm humbled by your empathy and the way you express yourself in the written word. Thank you.

[PistolPete 61421]

Guess we can close this thread and many others that have those awful words to describe a woman's body parts, come on seriously? Berlin, should I go back and post all your relative comments that you used describing your own ..vagina, or should I say clit, or can I say pussy..fuck what can we say without having our heads ripped off!

 

While we are at it perhaps should we close all the recommendations too they have some awful words!....oh noooo.... he used the word pussy??fuck I think I see enough pussy in one thread and those are the four legged types!!and now those fucking cats are in just about every thread..DO you see me bitchin about that thread or others?

 

No!! I just don't read it! So Danielle perhaps you should read any more recs, after all now you just insulted a good portion of the men that gave back to this site, and of course recommended a lady to other men...But no you think it is ALL shit! Nice Danielle!! real nice. And yes I know the ladies are not take out order..what a comment that was!

 

Berlin...if I may

"But CERB is one of the only places where us ladies are welcomed with open arms and encouraged to interact with clients. I'd like to think that I can use this venue and my interactions with clients to at least educate/enlighten/open your eyes to these things. I'm not expecting any of you to change, because I tend to suspect many of you will write me off as the cranky feminist in the house, but I like to hope that others will read this and realize that perhaps their behaviour or words are offensive."

 

So I guess now you are asking us men to be reasonable mannered men, and stop using terms that are offensive, and use better behaviour. But yet it is okay for you describing very own 'vagina' well you called it 'clit'

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=235267#post235267

 

Turn-ons you used the 'fuck' and 'cock'

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=238399#post238399

 

So you see we are not the only ones that use words that may describe an action, or a body part that MAY offend some other ladies that are too delicate to this world.

 

Lastly Berlin when you say...

 

'I think what Erin is trying to get at is that very often these boards and the men who post on them tend to convey this sense of entitlement--that because you have money and are anonymous, you can nitpick body parts, ask for discounts, and generally be ignorant dicks. Let me be clear, I am not saying that you are all like this, but that many of you ARE. EVEN ON CERB."

Actually yes it is my entitlement to perhaps post in a thread, just like it is yours and everyone else here on the board. If you and I use the same term describing a 'vagina' so be it, am I to worry now that I have offended another lady because you and I said either pussy or clit? REALLY???

 

I do not like being called out that where you lump 'many of you are' looking for discounts, nit picking body parts,asking for discounts (That itself is a very low blow to many of us here that participate regularly and I'm insulted by your comment and generalizing MANY men)

 

You are right we do not know "what it feels like" or for that fact to be in your shoes, but seriously these type of words are going change or help things?

 

WIT said it right above

 

" I strongly believe that there should be room for the clients here to enjoy themselves, too - and to vent a tiny bit of testosterone here and there. Testosterone is not entirely evil, despite its being, by its nature, occasionally "over-enthusiastic". Without over-enthusiastic testosterone, there'd be no demand for escorts in the first place."

 

 

 

I just hope we can enjoy ourselves here,or perhaps it is time to move on.

[Newton 714]

I don't know any history but Pete is a great ambassador for cerb and a real gentleman.

 

It's time to move on. Mod may want to close this thread.

[Meg O'Ryan 266444]

As usual what started as an innocent but perhaps rant like post has turned nasty. I am ashamed of the comments on this thread!

[AndyofHalifax 15339]

To begin, it is clear to me that, as clients, we have no idea what it is like to be a woman, and much less so a paid companion. However, one of the best things about this board is an opportunity for a man to get a glimpse into that world. CERB is a world where women are being open about both the positive and negative aspects of the business, both sexes are open about their sexuality and preferences and the community as a whole is in a constant state of learning. I know that I learn something new every time I log on.

 

Now obviously, as clients, we don't see a lot of the behind the scenes bullshit that you women have to put up with. We only get small glances how you are being treated in private messages, emails and behind closed doors by other men, be they lurkers, non-members of CERB or active participants. It is my feeling that the majority of the threads listed as being offensive or objectifying are started by men who are genuinely curious about a particular topic and trying to learn more information to improve their own behaviour and performance when with women.

 

And at the end of the day, if the men on this board are learning why certain women don't like certain activities, and how they should act when with a woman, are they not learning to be respectful? By learning to communicate their own sexual desires and preferences, isn't it more likely that a man can have open and honest sexual communication with a woman, ensuring a better session for both parties? It seems to me that this is a clear example of men attempting to be respectful of the women's wishes and learning to be better lovers and better men as a result. I hope that CERB remains a place where we all continue to learn more about each other's sexuality as this is no doubt a good thing in the long run for everyone involved.

 

Lastly, it is important to remember that language is extremely powerful. The way we choose our words reflects a lot about our personalities. However, different words have different connotations to each individual and there may be specific words that trigger negative connotations for one person and positive connotations for another. I think that it is extremely hard to be open about your sexuality without using words that are going to offend some people. As such, I think we must be tolerant and empathetic towards the language used by both men and women in this forum, while making an effort not to be purposefully offensive.

[mrrnice2 157005]

I truly appreciate those who bring topics to the forefront that continue to educate and that continue to give me pause and think and ponder. This is a great debate/discussion and not an argument. It is a topic that has no clearly defined "right or wrong", and as one reads through the various contributions one sees diametrically opposing viewpoints, all of them having their validities, and yes, their flaws.

Phaedrus with his usual wisdom said, " I really don't think this is something where we're ever going to find a common standard that suits everyone."

As one who walked into Cerb with no prior experience, and certainly believing the prevailing stereotypes, I have had my views conformed, adjusted and in many ways they have been reversed.

Initially Cerb was about one thing and one thing only - sex. Ultimately I suppose it is still about sex, but what has made this so amazing has been the interactions with the women, and many of these interactions are far beyond merely physical.

The terminology that is used here is in many cases not the terminology that I would choose, however much of that terminology I have 'learned' and adopted from the women who are on the board. In many cases one need only follow one link to get to a complete list of 'menu items'.

Each of us are different, men and women alike. A commonality is however that desire by all of us to be appreciated as people, to be treated politely, and to be recognized that we are a whole package and not just as having a set of 6pack abs or a cute butt.

Elizabeth said it well here with," First and foremost, we are human beings....."

Menu items and terminology and communication of interests and desires must play a role though at times. A very personal example would be in the fact that I do have an interest in having anal sex, an experience/fantasy yet to be fulfilled. If and when I want that then I suppose that I will be looking at the very least at 'menu items', or through pms asking specifically of individual women. The terminology that I use would probably refer to anal sex as opposed to 'greek." I learned from experience that women are not mind readers and I also have read posts from one woman after another expressing her desire forcommunication of interests, likes and/or dislikes.

On the other side of it, a scripted, step by step scenario of who will do what, and when, and how, is not an appealing thing to me.

To quote Erin, " I like the mystery and if too much is put out there before, for me, it's a turn off. I know some hobbiests do it to ensure their experience will be exactly as they want, but how does it make it sexy if you know ahead of time"?

 

Berlin in her usual blunt and straight to the point manner also makes me wonder, but off in another direction.

 

"Sorry dudes, but unless you're a woman, you're never going to understand what it is like to deal with all this crap on a daily basis."

And

" I'm honestly sick of hearing various ladies' concerns brushed off by men who have no idea what the fuck they're talking about or what it feels like to be us."

Perhaps I have no clue so yeah, that is a very real possibility. The women here know of their experiences. I only know of my own, and how I interact with a woman. I do know that I have strong sense from the writing that most men here do try to be considerate of the women that they meet with. I see that in their writing but also from the comments that many women include in their own posts. All women? All men? I doubt it. It is not a perfect world.

WIT in his post used used the term "client bashing." Gotta be honest here and state that I have felt that at times, strongly. Perhaps it is me misinterpreting words or perhaps it was a poor choice of wording by the writer, but sometimes the sense is there.

I have said in more than one thread how my stereotypes have changed as I see and experience more realities with real women. One powerful stereotype that is 'out there', is that deep down sex workers are men haters. Do I believe that? No??????? But some of the comments I read here DO make me realize that I have not dropped that stereotype completely, and, if it is ever found to be a reality by me, will be my reason for leaving.

I will not interact with a woman who brushes me off, or who disrespects me as a person.

Berlins words work both ways. Perhaps there are times when the women do not understand in the least what it is like to be us. We also want what Erin wants as she expressed so well in her original and follow up posts.

Finally, Samantha's words.

"The sex trade is built upon the objectification of women.

 

I have an inkling that ....... a man has to feel a kind of dull sadness at some level, at least once in a while. Because, even if he can get that woman to see him, even if he can touch her and have sex with her, he can't have her. Not because there's anything wrong with her, or even that there's anything wrong with him, but because even he really wants something much more complex, engaging and enthralling than simple beauty, perfect breasts or a firm, round backside. What he really, really wants isn't what she's selling and he can't buy it, anywhere.

Most are much more shy than they'll admit. They hope that doing this, touching here, nuzzling there, trying to be gentle when it's the time for that, and trying to be more controlling when it's time for that too, everything will be okay.

Asking questions takes a lot of nerve. No one wants to seem ignorant or inept......."

She could be talking specifically about me, and I am giving an educated opinion that there are many more men very similar to myself.

Mrgreen expressed his views on the overuse of the word respect. respect of course does have different meanings to each of us in our own way. Mine is probably pretty old-fashioned.

In my reading I see some REALLY well respected Cerb members of both sexes disagreeing, and that is fine and that is fair. I also am reading into those posts that they are written with a desire to express and share altenate opinions on views and most interestingly enough, I am pretty confident that if they were all in the same room, there would be a pretty good concensus on respect.

 

We will learn from each other through these forums. We will not always agree. Thanks to everone for contributing and trying to help me understand a truly complex topic.

[PistolPete 61421]

Firstly, I was not or it was meant to ' call out' just Berlin but to simply give the perspective from the use of words that describe women's parts that are used widely by both both male and female on this board. It is not just the clients using those type of words.

 

It was to show a point, that it is used sometimes daily,if Berlin feels badly about my post then I apologize to her, I could of used other posts or in fact ad's from ladies that use the same type of words.

 

I just don't get it, we see it (described woman's parts) as clients in ad's,shout out box,chat room,threads and now it has become an issue? Guess I missing the bus on this one. Yes, perhaps my choice of words are not as eloquent as others, but I'm the same as the next guy, that may not choose the correct words, but trying to convey his point in his words, perhaps yes we all need thick skin while reading.

 

Sorry to have stirred the pot on this touchy subject.

[Isabella Gia (Banned) 53881]

Where is the 'luv' you promote all the time in this post Pete? I find it too agresive, we all have different point of views and we all here sometimes use words or say things we don't entirely feel comfortable with but our level of comfort with a term may also be different depending in which context is being used. The reasons or if Berlin used those words are unknown to me but even if she did is never the same to use a word toward yourself in whichever context you choose to than having someone else referring to you or a part of your body as that. To make my point more clear, one calls himself an idiot because he screwed something ... Does that mean is right for others to call him that? I mean, by calling himself an idiot is he giving everyone else the right to call him an idiot and won't he feel insulted or offended by it?

 

Guess we can close this thread and many others that have those awful words to describe a woman's body parts, come on seriously? Berlin, should I go back and post all your relative comments that you used describing your own ..vagina, or should I say clit, or can I say pussy..fuck what can we say without having our heads ripped off!

 

This suggestion is a bit extreme and I believe has not a connection with what Erin mentioned in her first post here. A reco is referring to a particular SP if she is fine with whatever word being used describing her why should it be deleted? I believe Erin meant when the words she mentioned are used in general.

While we are at it perhaps should we close all the recommendations too they have some awful words!....oh noooo.... he used the word pussy??fuck I think I see enough pussy in one thread and those are the four legged types!!and now those fucking cats are in just about every thread..DO you see me bitchin about that thread or others?

 

his name is Daniel and I don't quite get why you find his post insulting and why you are so upset over it. If his post was that wrong it would not have received so many approvals from others, including at least one gentleman. And he was not offended anyone he was just explaining his impression on these issues from a gentleman's point of view. And I applaud him for taking the time to do so and show real concern.

 

No!! I just don't read it! So Danielle perhaps you should read any more recs, after all now you just insulted a good portion of the men that gave back to this site, and of course recommended a lady to other men...But no you think it is ALL shit! Nice Danielle!! real nice. And yes I know the ladies are not take out order..what a comment that was!.

 

Newton, I don't see the connection of your post with this thread. PistolPete is a very active member here (ambassador is not the right word IMO as in fact is a title that needs to be given and as far as I know cerb has not named anyone the site's ambassador) but being active does not make anyone here better than others and does not mean that person will always be right.

I don't know any history but Pete is a great ambassador for cerb and a real gentleman.

 

It's time to move on. Mod may want to close this thread.

 

Additional Comments:

As for Berlin's ads, she is using whatever words in them referring to herself. As I said before the OP here means when those words are used in general for a woman or a woman's body part. Even if they are used towards Berlin or any other SP who uses them also as I mentioned above calling yourself a certain way does not mean you are ok with others calling you that.

[Sensual Erin 33935]

Thanks to everyone that has commented, contributed and helped me to understand from both sides. I'm going to ask MOD to close this thread. I never meant for it to turn nasty at the beginning and it escalated with the original questions blown out of proportion. We all need thicker skin, we all have the right to respectfully question. This thread has lost it's meaning.

 

The nastiness is now rampid and actually do prefer the acronyms rather than insults. A few here have shown their true colors as a result and thinking I will be silent in the near future and stick to the cat threads for now. Btw, to the person that mentioned "fucking cats".....was there a need to stoop that low???? All you've done is offend the majority of animal lovers here. My intent wasn't to offend anyone. Off now in search of thicker skin.

[Guest E*******h S******s]

Guess we can close this thread and many others that have those awful words to describe a woman's body parts, come on seriously? Berlin, should I go back and post all your relative comments that you used describing your own ..vagina, or should I say clit, or can I say pussy..fuck what can we say without having our heads ripped off!

 

While we are at it perhaps should we close all the recommendations too they have some awful words!....oh noooo.... he used the word pussy??fuck I think I see enough pussy in one thread and those are the four legged types!!and now those fucking cats are in just about every thread..DO you see me bitchin about that thread or others?

 

No!! I just don't read it! So Danielle perhaps you should read any more recs, after all now you just insulted a good portion of the men that gave back to this site, and of course recommended a lady to other men...But no you think it is ALL shit! Nice Danielle!! real nice. And yes I know the ladies are not take out order..what a comment that was!

 

Berlin...if I may

"But CERB is one of the only places where us ladies are welcomed with open arms and encouraged to interact with clients. I'd like to think that I can use this venue and my interactions with clients to at least educate/enlighten/open your eyes to these things. I'm not expecting any of you to change, because I tend to suspect many of you will write me off as the cranky feminist in the house, but I like to hope that others will read this and realize that perhaps their behaviour or words are offensive."

 

So I guess now you are asking us men to be reasonable mannered men, and stop using terms that are offensive, and use better behaviour. But yet it is okay for you describing very own 'vagina' well you called it 'clit'

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=235267#post235267

 

Turn-ons you used the 'fuck' and 'cock'

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=238399#post238399

 

So you see we are not the only ones that use words that may describe an action, or a body part that MAY offend some other ladies that are too delicate to this world.

 

Lastly Berlin when you say...

 

'I think what Erin is trying to get at is that very often these boards and the men who post on them tend to convey this sense of entitlement--that because you have money and are anonymous, you can nitpick body parts, ask for discounts, and generally be ignorant dicks. Let me be clear, I am not saying that you are all like this, but that many of you ARE. EVEN ON CERB."

Actually yes it is my entitlement to perhaps post in a thread, just like it is yours and everyone else here on the board. If you and I use the same term describing a 'vagina' so be it, am I to worry now that I have offended another lady because you and I said either pussy or clit? REALLY???

 

I do not like being called out that where you lump 'many of you are' looking for discounts, nit picking body parts,asking for discounts (That itself is a very low blow to many of us here that participate regularly and I'm insulted by your comment and generalizing MANY men)

 

You are right we do not know "what it feels like" or for that fact to be in your shoes, but seriously these type of words are going change or help things?

 

WIT said it right above

 

" I strongly believe that there should be room for the clients here to enjoy themselves, too - and to vent a tiny bit of testosterone here and there. Testosterone is not entirely evil, despite its being, by its nature, occasionally "over-enthusiastic". Without over-enthusiastic testosterone, there'd be no demand for escorts in the first place."

 

 

 

I just hope we can enjoy ourselves here,or perhaps it is time to move on.

 

You are upset with HER anger, but it's ok for YOU to rant. Very telling.

[Sensual Erin 33935]

I agree with Elizabeth. Samantha, this is the best thread I have ever read and brings me great understanding. Thank you for your wisdom and humble understanding. You truly are amazing.

 

I'm a member of the -ERB boards that start with P and T, in addition to this one. I may have posted 6-10 times on the others, maybe less. For awhile, I advertised on one of them and I may again, but not because I enjoy the conversation or reading the vile things that are written there. I'm a businesswoman and it's my experience that some very fine gentlemen do take the time to weed through the nonsense to find the woman who's right for them and then they often spend a considerable amount of money on her. I'm willing to be discovered by such men.

 

See, that's where I start. I didn't decide to be a paid companion because I have a tender heart. I got into this business because I needed the income. I know who I am and what I have to offer; I know that there are very, very few others like me in this business; I have a reasonable grasp of economic theory. So, I took a risk and things have worked out very well.

 

The sex trade is built upon the objectification of women. There's no question about that. However, I'm old enough and I've been around long enough that I can say that the "best <insert body part>" threads seem a bit trite to me, but I'm not offended by them. Men like to look at all kinds of women, all the time. It's how their minds are wired. I appreciate gorgeous young women who seem to spend all their waking hours at the gym, too. Moreover, I think I understand something about the fantasy that drives those "best of" threads and I know that it's got nothing to do with me, or the women in the photos. Not at all.

 

Most men don't come within a country mile of looking like Adonis, or David, or George Clooney. Personally, I find something bittersweet about middle-aged men mooning over young models and stunningly beautiful-looking escorts, wanting them, wanting to feel the way they hope they would feel if they were with those girls, or the way they think they might have felt and looked, themselves, when they were her age.

 

I have an inkling that one of the down-sides of spending time with those photos is that a man has to feel a kind of dull sadness at some level, at least once in a while. Because, even if he can get that woman to see him, even if he can touch her and have sex with her, he can't have her. Not because there's anything wrong with her, or even that there's anything wrong with him, but because even he really wants something much more complex, engaging and enthralling than simple beauty, perfect breasts or a firm, round backside. What he really, really wants isn't what she's selling and he can't buy it, anywhere.

 

That unattainable factor can be frustrating for some men, it's true. A very few become angry, embittered, misogynistic because they feel they're entitled to have what they've seen, especially if they can pay for it. But the grand majority of men aren't like this at all. They do distinguish between fantasy and reality. They know that a paid companion is a real woman with thoughts, needs, concerns and an imagination and a spirit of her own. Men want to have some fun, relax a bit, forget about the rest of the world for an hour or two. Most don't want to hurt anyone, including the companion. Most do their best to treat us well. This is my experience, at least.

 

As for the threads that ask whether companions prefer this activity or that one, or whether they do this thing or another one, they don't bother me at all. I don't reply to them too often, but I do sometimes, because I've learned that as much as men like to portray themselves as knowledgeable and highly experienced, the simple fact is that most are not, no matter how many women they've been with. Most are much more shy than they'll admit. They hope that doing this, touching here, nuzzling there, trying to be gentle when it's the time for that, and trying to be more controlling when it's time for that too, everything will be okay.

 

The fact is that they don't know whether this or that touch feels the way they want it to, or how to go about discussing the one special thing they hope they might be able to do. And I know that when someone starts a thread about "digits," even though most of the men will say, in sober, serious tones, that they always wash their hands thoroughly, they always make sure their nails are neatly trimmed and filed, they always make sure to move smoothly and slowly with lots of lube.... they're not really telling the truth. All that matters is that they've gotten the message: there are some things they need to keep in mind that maybe they hadn't thought about.

 

I think this is one of the great things about CERB. Our society isn't half as liberated as it likes to imagine. Men and women don't talk about sex very often or very well. Asking questions takes a lot of nerve. No one wants to seem ignorant or inept, but none of us learned a damn thing about love-making in high school sex ed classes. How bodies feel, what feels good, what can feel good under certain circumstances, what might be wonderful in other circumstances--where did we learn that? Heck, from my high school sex ed classes, all I learned was that menstruation was a manageable hassle, pregnancy was a huge issue and that there were some nasty "venereal diseases" out there. No one ever mentioned orgasms, let alone masturbation (solo or mutual), hand-jobs or blow jobs. I learned about those things, clumsily, in various parked cars with others who didn't know any more than I did.

 

But men can come here and ask questions about what women like and how to do it, or why some are reluctant to do some things but will do others. Where else can they go to get this kind of information? Not at home! If a couple doesn't have frank, open, gentle and loving conversations about their bodies, how they work and what each person likes and doesn't like--if they don't have those conversations in the early months of their relationship, they will never have them at all, no matter how many decades they're together.

 

So, as far as I'm concerned, go ahead, ask. Use whatever words you're comfortable with. I know what you mean, even if I don't like the word. That word isn't about me, anyway. Ask about anal sex. Ask about what we like in DATY. Ask about how we like to have our breasts touched, how to kiss us, how to do anything and everything you're interested in doing. Notice that six of us will give at least eight different responses. Notice too, that, as far as I can remember, none of us will say that you're a fool for asking, or that you have no right to know. If you ask me, I will feel honoured by your vulnerability and trust.

 

I don't think many women enjoy the idea that men just want to get together in some locker room and compare notes about who had whom and how good she was or wasn't, whether she looked as good naked as she did dressed, how far she let them get with her and what they think someone else could try with her next time. We don't like that. But I don't see a lot of that, here. It happens, to some degree, in the recommendations and in the threads about how to push the boundaries in the strip club or whether the massage artists will go farther than advertised. I think that the writers of those threads speak for themselves. Everyone is advertising here, all the time.

 

I'm as likely to be over-sensitive as anyone else is, at times. Some days, I don't like reading the boards. Other days, I find things here that make me want to cry because they're so real, so open, so vulnerable and true. Some days I'm patient. Other days, I'm a cranky bitch. Turning off the computer on bad days and taking the dog to run along the beach can be the best thing.

[BownChickaBown 4829]

...People objectifying themselves for the sake of selling themselves for sex - or other people objectifying others for the sake of buying sex?

 

Let be honest here - This industry only exists because of sexual objectification to sell 'services', as much as some say its just for a companions 'time' - yes, 'sex servicing time'. While I know the biggest sex organ is the brain, and I can appreciate a good (subjective to my view of what 'good' is) brain, conversely, other brains which I do not find attractive leave me with no desire to have sex with just the body. Is that respect? I guess that's what blow-up dolls are for sometimes.

 

In general, if I want to just chat, I go to a chatroom and/or go on a 'date' - Sometimes if I want (hopefully) 'no strings attached' recreational sex - I look for an escort (someone's got to support the industry eh, and the desire of some people to only want to make money and a living just from selling sex - the same way as I have never owned a car but prefer to pay taxi drivers to drive me to work every day as an objectification of their driving ability and time. Thankfully enough, in either case, people are humans and all are unique and allow me to interact with them, and them me, to see their is more to everyone on the inside regardless of the profession one chooses, or how one looks, or doesn't look).

 

While I do not (or better yet, can not) sell sex for a living myself (hard to do when I can't even give it away for free - but I digress), I do whore out my brain as a knowledge nomad for money - which is no different of an objectification of myself and the services my brain provides (see resume for full objectification) to a 'client'/employer than anything else I've seen on this planet. Believe you me, I'd much rather not be a whore to anyone and simply live a life of leisure - but hey, someone's got to pay for the A/C and cable TV while living under the constructs of society and, unfortunately, capitalism.

 

If CERB was only about 'love' - this would be a dating site - NOT an escort site. Escorting is NOT dating - and 'GFE' is a euphemism. Not to say love doesn't exist here, as it does (all around, even through-out this whole thread), but from what I see/experience, it's more like: I love sex with an escort, rather than, I am in love with an escort (which yes, does happen - and from both sides of the fence).

 

Rather rich to listen to some people be offended from themselves objectifying themselves, but are angry about it and others for doing the same. Maybe it's too early for me to get my head around it. Maybe some people, including myself, need more time to look introspectively and learn to love myself no matter what anyone else in the world thinks, objectively or subjectively.

 

As well, rather telling of the industry to see some of the pent-up insecurities some people have and their need to project them on others to justify their existence and profession and/or 'hobby'. (sidebar: another good point was made earlier about even the use of this word to describe paying for sex which others advertise for sale)

 

In the end, I'd rather be open and honest about who I am and how I feel then be pretentious and insecure about the truth - funny how 'shooting the messenger' is a favorite pasttime of so many people thou - which I blame TV and selfish individualism for, but I'll save that diatribe for another post. I could care less to try and satisfy some clique, or sell out my values for greed.

 

*Hugs myself* and says: I am a good person and today is a good day.

 

Carpe Peaciem!! (that is, Peacefully Seize the Day!)

 

PS: Just remember in all this - we don't wake-up to bombs dropping around our heads, so are a few words going to 'break my bones'? I think not. *stops to smell a rose*

 

PPS: IMO, this is one of the best threads I've ever seen here. Thanks to EVERYONE for being the diverse and unique persons they are. :) Uniform thought (with a bunch of followers to one way of living life) has little value to me, and anyone who stops learning only finds themselves living in a World which no longer exists. --> Now click on the link in my signature and listen to the beautiful song - serenity (almost) guaranteed!! ;)

[Winnipegcub 21293]

Hi Erin, first I wasn't able to add any more rep points for you but believe I understand what you're expressing and you have my support.

 

I have purposely not responded to this thread till now as found it was going off in a different direction. I have read your original post about 8 times making sure I understood what was being shared. I think some of the differing views are valid IMHO but again need to be taken in context of this site and our community.

 

I do understand that this is an adult site and the activities it is supporting so find it hard that it wouldn't have any related vocabulary. I too have learned language and acronyms I never knew 2 years ago. I am OK with it challenging some of my own beliefs and getting me a little outside my comfort zone because that is how I expand. For example, I have not participated in anal sex but do enjoy the threads that appropriately address this subject. I've learned alot from them. Yes I could google it but I trust (with my own filter) what I do read on CERB so for that appreciate it a great deal.

 

I find CERB to be a very 'respectful' site. I have accounts on 2 other **RB sites and rarely go there. I've made one post (recommendation) (after the ladies approval) and got beat up by some members for not being explicit enough.

 

However, the other important element is to remember that words like respect are always viewed from the receiving side. I can think or try and be respectful but it doesn't frankly matter my opinion, it is how it is received. This is human behaviour and how we evolve, learn understanding, compassion, and tolerance.

 

I will continue to participate on this board and try from my current understanding to always be respectful. But thankfully I too am always learning so if I've ever offended anyone with my behaviour and language I apologize. But I wouldn't want to see things change here either.

 

Cub

[Capital Hunter 18263]

 

No!! I just don't read it! So Danielle perhaps you should read any more recs, after all now you just insulted a good portion of the men that gave back to this site, and of course recommended a lady to other men...But no you think it is ALL shit! Nice Danielle!! real nice. And yes I know the ladies are not take out order..what a comment that was!

 

I agree with this Pete. I think that his comments were very offensive. This is a positive board and coming over and attacking the recommendations given by valued, long time or loyal members commiting their time and afforts to share and promote ladies, open up threads on best bums, and many other high traffic threads to select ladies on the best of basis and the redhead appreciation group to appreciate them is and that is, I quote "treating the women on a lesser level!!!!!".

 

He also makes a number of totally false statements about cerb, like he claims that people have the freedom to write and post whatever they want and they have the power to nitpick on every single little negative thing about the girls. By these statements I think that he brings cerb to the lower level like terb is. cerb has strict rules about what can be posted or commented. This is a positive board and claiming that we nitpick on every single little negative thing about the girls... Hey Daniel, this is cerb lol, not the "t" one. Did you wake up already lol. I am sorry to rant (first time ever I remember) what I am offended by reading his post about valued loyal cerb members (and every contributing cerb member is valued in my book) and the way he brought down this board by his false statements!!!!.

 

. I think the people think just because they have the freedom to write or post whatever they want, they have the power to nitpick on every single little negative thing about the girls.

 

I don't even look at the reco's to be honest. To be brutally honest, I think they're $hit.

 

Sure this forum is about respect and so is this thread and you have been disrespectful to great many. If the kitchen is too hot (or you don't like the heat) get OUT lol.

[Guest E*******h S******s]

I agree with this Pete. I think that his comments were very offensive. This is a positive board and coming over and attacking the recommendations given by valued, long time or loyal members commiting their time and afforts to share and promote ladies, open up threads on best bums, and many other high traffic threads to select ladies on the best of basis and the redhead appreciation group to appreciate them is and that is, I quote "treating the women on a lesser level!!!!!".

 

He also makes a number of totally false statements about cerb, like he claims that people have the freedom to write and post whatever they want and they have the power to nitpick on every single little negative thing about the girls. By these statements I think that he brings cerb to the lower level like terb is. cerb has strict rules about what can be posted or commented. This is a positive board and claiming that we nitpick on every single little negative thing about the girls... Hey Danialle, this is cerb lol, not the "t" one. Did you wake up already lol. I am sorry to rant (first time ever I remember) what I am offended by reading his post about valued loyal cerb members (and every contributing cerb member is valued in my book) and the way he brought down this board by his false statements!!!!. If the kitchen is too hot (or you don't like the heat) get OUT lol.

 

And by deliberately misspelling Daniel's name (yet again), your post loses credibility. Ad hominem arguments (attacking the poster rather than the post) only make you look bad. Argue the issue not the person. I thought THAT was one of the main things that made this board different.....intelligent debate.