Conspiracy?

[[email protected] 17]

Now, I'm not a conspiracist, but... there isn't anything like the number of young, white girls coming to Kingston anymore that used to turn up on a weekly basis. My experience has been that the Asians have taken over Kingston. They are widely advertised, and whenever I do see an ad for an attractive white girl, the woman who opens the door is an Asian. Needless to say, I no longer trust anything I see on Leolist. I'm thinking that the Asian pimps who obviously run multiple girls have been threatening the white girls and as a result, they no longer come here. 

Anyone else of a similar mind?

[Monstermash 583]

Is it possible that the white SPs have priced themselves out of Kingston?  No offence intended to anyone but usually in any business the demand will dictate the supply . A heavy Asian presence would indicate a demand for their less expensive services 

[[email protected] 17]

I don't think so... the real ones that used to turn up weren't priced any differently. Occasionally there would be one charging quite a bit more, but they were very few. Mostly now, the hot white girls advertised turn out to be Asian...classic bait-and-switch. I think the real white girls are just staying away, and I'm suspicious they've been run out of town by threats. Asians...

[Calitos 226]

I think it is just not worth it for a touring girl to come to Kingston unless she has an established customer base and knows she is going to have enough customer to make its visit worth it.  Gas, hotel, meals are more expensive now and people are not able/willing to pay higher prices.

With so many fake ads and bait and switch and little reviews, It will probably take her time to build reputation to ensure a large customer base.  They are not willing to make the investment when probably they can make as much money on OF with zero risk.

Unfortunately, I do not see the situation changing. It is sad, I remember there used to be many local and touring girls available at the same time no more than 5 years ago. Now, you are lucky if there is one in town in any given month.

[Rubs 1379]

It's quite possible that the Chinese human trafficking rings have pushed out any other trafficking groups out the area or businesses.   There are a few locals girls in the area. Weather there your cup a tea is a different matter. There are some other regular visitors, I think are independent.  If your willing to dri e to Ottawa there are more plus clubs.

[kingston8inch 106]

The discussion I frequently have with white or Canadian born SPs is the changing client base that Kingston has now.

I generally like to welcome new faces, and wish them a pleasant stay, even if I cannot meet them, a short and polite hello can help.

I have had a few longer discussions with independent SPs regarding positive and negative aspects of the trade.

We have experienced a sharp influx of people from India/Pakistan/Punjabi etc.

I have heard a chorus of discontent regarding this client base and the disconnect they may have from a typical client from this area/country.

In addition to that we pale in comparison to the numbers a SP or parlour can accommodate in a bigger city.

I think those two factors are predominantly at play in Kingston.

I echo your sentiments with the seemingly gang like control Asians have garnered here, but threats have never been even hinted.

I do firmly believe the Asians have been able to circumnavigate border controls and are actively human trafficking which, puts that in a whole other league of shame.

It will only be a matter of time before Asian SPs and the hosting locations are all together passed on by the clients who have experienced the short comings they have to offer.

[Monstermash 583]

Absolutely 

[Rubs 1379]

This is an interesting topic. Wish some of the ladies would chime in.

[sweetjohn 134]

Are all the Chinese run places Bait and Switch? There is a location downtown in a condo on Queen St. that i have been tempted to try because i live nearby. But, I have my doubts. 

I was a regular for several years with a dark skinned spinner and beautiful girl who went by the name of Mia. But I think she has recently moved on from Kingston. 

Also has anyone used Touch of Class? If so how do you feel about the downtown location?

[Monstermash 583]

All the Chinese are hit and miss  I almost did 

Queen st last night good looking building. 

[[email protected] 17]

I tried the Queen St Asian a couple of weeks ago... advertised as a young, nice looking Korean girl... She was the same old Asian woman I had walked away from at least twice before.

Don't bother.

I've used Touch of Class a bit... at least there the girls are as advertised. There is a whole range that you can choose from. Prices are very competitive.

My favorite girl is Aurora... great slim, athletic body, good attitude... she doesn't have pictures posted, but she's quite pretty.

[kingston8inch 106]

Queen st. Was a good experience first go, great building for sure, but they switched the girl out

I echo the above, the old lady that works there the majority of the time is just not good, I walked out three times, they just don’t tell you who is working.
maybe if she was a $60 hh $120hr pricing, but shes got a sizeable gut and is quite robotic.

 

[ShyguyDrew 5]

its hard to say if local or visiting girls are being threatened unless someone comes forward.

I've visited the 0020 location a few times with mediocre service.

was the same girl the few times I went.

 

all that said, I do have a bud who said he contacted a number of the asian sp's then received calls and texts from some number indicating he was wasting "his girls' time" and he better stop or his family and work will be at risk.

I did see the texts too so can confirm he was threatened.

[Dacron 283]

On 10/17/2024 at 11:35 PM, sweetjohn said:

Are all the Chinese run places Bait and Switch? There is a location downtown in a condo on Queen St. that i have been tempted to try because i live nearby. But, I have my doubts. 

I was a regular for several years with a dark skinned spinner and beautiful girl who went by the name of Mia. But I think she has recently moved on from Kingston. 

Also has anyone used Touch of Class? If so how do you feel about the downtown location?

It looks like Mia is back on Leolist. It's been a few years but I had a couple of good visits with her.

[[email protected] 17]

Yeah, I tried the Queen St Asian a couple of weeks ago. See thread, above...  Bait and Switch. Classic.

I only go to Touch of Class now. At least they're honest. My favourite girl is Aurora... a real sweety.

The downtown location is handy,, but I always wonder who I'm going to run into coming out...

 

[ShyguyDrew 5]

Man you toot that same horn on every thread. Chill we get it.

[letsplay_57 3587]

ShyGuyDrew I've rec'd those threats here in NB...sad to say the last year the Asian's are doing the same bait&switch...older ladies  ffs

[ebonyjuelz 277]

Not being a white women (lol) but someone who used to travel Kingston regularly, the clientele seemed to had died down. Besides the regulars I used to see, there were more people inquiring but less people showing up. I don't know what it is like now but this seemed to have been happening a lot with Kingston, Belleville, Brockville, and sometimes Ottawa. 
Maybe the Asian's saw this as an opportunity to take over. Kingston used to be a very enjoyable city to visit! 

[[email protected] 17]

Juelz... I've stopped entirely... most of the time the girls turn out to be Asian, and I'm just not interested in them, especially when they turn out to be old Asian women. So, my thinking is that most of the ads are placed by Asian pimps with multiple girls, in a classic bait-and-switch, and as a result guys have become fed up and have just stopped.

[Andee of Burlington 28]

I know providers who used to tour Kingston but with the price of hotels and the number of no-shows and the reluctance of most clients to send deposits, it’s just not worth it anymore.

[KittyCaterina 70]

One issue is that SPs who come from larger cities charge rates accordingly.

They come to Kingston with those rates and realize that the majority of potential clients here are unwilling to pay above 280HR if that. 

 

Clients here are also generally very deposit UNFRIENDLY. 

Many touring SPs rely on deposits to ensure a certain amount of serious bookings before arrival. Hotels and travel whether it be gas or a train are very expensive nowadays.

 

Cancelations can be very financially harmful and those unwilling to give a deposit are usually also unwilling to pay a cancelation fee if no deposit was given.

 

When I tour, I require deposit. 

In Kingston I don't only because I am based here.

 

My regulars are amazing. 

BUT, the amount of new clients who cancel or don't show that REFUSE my cancelation fee is really sad. Even some past regulars have done this after multiple cancelations when I get tired of it, and they all get blacklisted. 

I don't eff around anymore. My clients either respect me and my time, or they don't (good riddance)

 

This weekend a young gorgeous SP was in town that I know and in 3 days she received TWO bookings.

 

It is not the one or two Asian Agencies who are threatening new SPs.

It is the fault of the clients here.

 

 

[[email protected] 17]

I suppose I would pay a deposit if I knew absolutely that the SP was real... but... 90% of the time I make arrangements to see someone they turn out to be Asian, and I walk. 

Paying a deposit via e-transfer to someone I had never met would be very foolish... so I don't... and I suspect most other potential clients would also balk at that.

Regarding your gorgeous young friend ... the Asians post ads of gorgeous young women, who then turn out to be fake. So many times I've booked with a gorgeous young woman and then walked because it turned out to be an old Asian woman. 

I've asked potential SPs to connect with a 30 second video chat to verify their identity, but they always refuse, so I don't bother with them. Even those with "verified" pictures can turn out to be a different girl.

Very frustrating.

[Calitos 226]

I can see both sides have valid points and hard to find a mid point.  Just following on what KittyCaterina was saying, perhaps a fair mid point would be if a known reputable local provider can verify the out of town girl then that would give clients some sort of assurance.  I know this puts extra pressure on the local SP and probably not good for their own business, but I feel the SP community is very supportive.  Also wouldn’t expect the SP to assure the quality of the experience or looks bc beauty is relative, but at least confirm that the out of town SP is real, pics are accurate… just sharing some thoughts

[ShyguyDrew 5]

I'm surprised more SPs aren't using this forum to advertise or announce their presence when in town.
even just linking back to the LL post or whatever gives members here an extra layer of assurance.

and I think that would go both ways, as users who reach out often and dont follow through would likely gain a rep for the behaviour.

a good example would be Ari, who doesn't advertise often here but enough to increase confidence in her posts.

and obviously SPs like our wonderful KittyCaterina have no issue with credibility, at least from a member's perspective.

or maybe i'm delusional?

[s206i 190]

The Kingston scene has changed a lot over the years… I am finding it hard to verify SP visiting Kingston. It is hard to determine who is really local too? It is a short list of local girls. Visiting girls are questionable as they have no review history or no old ads found via an internet search.

I am sad to hear Kitty share that real girl visited for 3 days and got just two bookings. The verified locals aren’t my type, which is unfortunate as Kitty and a couple others have great reviews. I mainly stick to visiting girls that can be verified. If a well respected local SP gave a shout out to a traveling SP I would be more willing to see them. Otherwise head to Toronto….

Deposits are a NO GO for me…. Too much risk of being taken advantage of financially and/or privacy wise. I am willing to pay a higher rate if I don’t need to pay a deposit.

I avoid all Asian postings as they seem too high risk for me. I always fear a human trafficking situation. Just my preference I guess…

Also I would pay more for someone I know is a verifiable independent. 

Hopefully the Kingston scene improves….