Conspiracy?

[Andee of Burlington 28]

Reputable providers who are verifiable require deposits because without them, they could end up sitting in a hotel room, like the lady who only got a few bookings. But due to the number of clients who don’t want to pay deposits or a travelling ladies rates because after all hotels are expensive, that is why  ladies who I know who used to travel to Kingston, don’t anymore because it’s just not financially feasible.

 

 

[OnlyAl 11]

On 11/10/2024 at 7:13 AM, Andee of Burlington said:

Reputable providers who are verifiable require deposits because without them, they could end up sitting in a hotel room, like the lady who only got a few bookings. But due to the number of clients who don’t want to pay deposits or a travelling ladies rates because after all hotels are expensive, that is why  ladies who I know who used to travel to Kingston, don’t anymore because it’s just not financially feasible.

 

 

There may well be a business opportunity for a service that holds a deposit in escrow for an escort.  Keeps it confidential and allows for the security of not releasing it till you are together.  Gives the escort the confidence/surety and gives the client safety.

[kingston8inch 105]

Deposits are not required nor should they be acceptable.

Its pretty straightforward you are an SP, I am a client, you provide a service I pay upfront for the service, it used to be a thing to only give half upfront!

If an SP takes a booking and its a no show that happens once, they block the number.

I refuse to see the financial damage a no show inflicts upon an SP, did you turn a load of bookings away from it? Doesn’t sound like that is the case…

Now if I requested an out of town SP to travel here and don’t show thats a completely different story.

I can see if your a part time SP and your two days of working is suddenly filled with no shows, but still shouldn’t be a ongoing problem, once you weed the no shows out…you will be left with paying clients.

phone calls and short notice bookings could solve most of the arguments and issues as this is historically how the business operates.

I feel for some of the SP’s out there, those who stick to acceptable prices and bookings, provide excellent service, go the extra mile and do it full time. They have to watch the Trolls, drug addicts, and part time drama queens charge unbelievable rates, for abysmal service, disgusting hygiene and bold face lies, with some having the audacity to demand deposits, which btw completely leaves the clients identity exposed, thats a massive red flag for 90%.

sorry kitty, it aint our fault, set the time if they don’t show take the next appointment, if there isn’t another appointment, it isn’t the client’s fault…

I am not going to say you have an enviable job, but it is lucrative and the oldest profession known to man, you could try exchanging places with a SP from a poorer country and see what they go through!

 

bottom line, prices are way too high, thats why you can’t book or have no shows, full stop

 

 

 

 

 

[KittyCaterina 59]

Saying that I could exchange places with a sexworker from a poorer country to see what they go through is ridiculous and a poor attempt at shutting me down.

There will always be someone worse off and it does not invalidate a person's struggles.

I could say similar to the clients who complain including you.

We are in Canada and are discussing issues we face HERE.

 

If my prices are too high, why would someone book me to begin with only to cancel?

To teach me a lesson?

Just don't fucking book me then.

 

When I tour, say Mississauga for 2 and 1/2 days, my expenses can reach over $1500.

A few one hour cancelations or 2 hour, 3 hour, even overnight cancelations can be detrimental to my profit ESPECIALLY without deposits. 

Yes, I can move onto the next client but that time slot is now gone.

You can refuse to acknowledge this and be purposefully ignorant, but it doesn't change the truth.

 

During my last Ottawa trip, my duo partner had an overnight booking cancel just 30 minutes prior to the booked time.

It was awful.

 

You say to just block or blacklist a no show right?

Let me guess though since you mention anonymity... you disagree with SWs requiring real numbers and not text apps?

So please tell me how we block a text app when the person can just create another?

Unless we don't accept text apps, we have no recourse to block bad clients or no shows.

 

When I work in Kingston, I take one client per day, so YES, a no show is a terrible thing.

I spend at least two hours preparing, showering, doing my hair and makeup for my clients and for what when a no show happens?

It is wasted time and income.

And YES, I am constantly having to turn away bookings for my already booked client whether you want to believe it or not.

 

I DO have acceptable rates and provide excellent services with going the extra mile, so whatever you are implying is BS.

I'm sure the "part-time drama queen" was directed at me.

How many hours per day I do this makes me no less of a sexworker that others are.

 

Clients who react the way you did when sexworkers join in conversations regarding this line of work are red flags.

It is your fault and it is why Kingston lacks new talent. 

If Kingston was a hotbed of great clients, you guys wouldn't be wondering why this and why that.

 

The person who liked your post is a complete timewaster who has texted me multiple times to book (and I reply, we speak and try to figure out a date and time) only to text me a day later and brag about how he ended up seeing another lady and how great it was, so he can't afford to see me anymore. 

I began to wonder if he was even a real client. 

(And the beautiful ladies in question have higher rates than me)

 

 

 

 

[kingston8inch 105]

You lack perspective, context and apparently logic. It was not directed at you but when the shoe fits… or in your case if the world revolves around you.

Perspective is what you gain when you look back at the history of a topic, also found in poorer countries, where rape, pimps, and diseases are rampant, all of which you are insulated from and have the means to mitigate. Your hardships constitute make up, shower and “preparing”, your counterparts that are likely within a few blocks of your residence have been trafficked, smuggled and sometimes forced into the industry, they may or may not have the freedom to decline a client or service, a no show is goddam relief to them.

Context is found when you meet good SPs, that have worked and toured successfully because they earned a stellar reputation for the services they provide and the manner they conduct themselves, not because they show up and expect Toronto rates from a prison/university/military town.🤪 then go on a public forum to absolutely shit on the people that pay them.

They will have done the trip a few times before it becomes financially successful, and in business, which is what an SP is in, that is called an investment!

They will also do “market research and analysis” to determine the client base they cater to exists and also the rate in which the market will accept.

You can indeed use the abundant resources in our country and incredible advances in technology to better vet your precious single client that you draw your relied upon income from, and avoid the overwhelming disappointment of a no show, and subsequent fruitless attempts at a cancellation fee. 
I am sorry what university gave you a degree in sucking dick? Are you a lawyer now? Should I prepare my retainer oh sorry deposit before I show up? Doctors charge a cancellation fee, you get it in your head it’s something I deserve.

I have zero problem phoning to confirm an appointment, better yet you could ask for a picture of the client with a proof of date, ie newspaper, I mean your so low volume, having the confirmation is worth the $280 hr your asking, I mean you have no trouble finding clients! Right? How about all those clients you turn away because you’re booked, something along the lines of, “if I have a cancellation would you like to make the appointment earlier?” Thats doctor like!

Again you are in a BUSINESS you invest in the opportunity to service men for a fee, that requires you to know the market and adjust your rates or location accordingly.

$1500 for a trip, 2-1/2 days, I won’t comment on your expenses, but you obviously did a poor job of marketing, research and confirmation, and a piss poor job of budgeting, or as it may be self control.

Finally we reach logic. 
Logic tells us that, no matter how much you mitigate your risks, no matter how much you do to secure appointments with deposits, all the market research, and all the detailed budgeting is for not when we as clients decide it just is not worth jumping through those goddam hoops when a new girl shows up and sporadically they do, they absolutely decimate your demands with a friendly and concise attitude and response that commands respect and showing up is never in question.

 I cannot help you further, you are welcome for my two cents, make it a deposit for possible future appointments.
 

[KittyCaterina 59]

You have no idea what I have been through regarding sexwork.

Some in Ottawa may remember the young teenager on the newspaper's front page who was forced into prostitution at 15 and almost stabbed to death by a John... I think you are intelligent enough to understand what I'm getting at.

You never know what someone has experienced. 

So do not assume I haven't had hardships and that it can't happen to a white girl in Canada.

 

I stopped sexwork for a long time and came back once I was stable, healthy and educated.

Who knows, in 5 years I could end up being your pet's veterinarian and requiring a cancelation fee from you.

Maybe then you will think I deserve it because I'm no longer below your standards of a human being. 

 

So as kindly as I can say this, fuck you.

Fuck you for the condescending spiel regarding my only hardships being make-up and a shower.

You aren't a sexworker so quit yapping like you know what we endure.

 

 

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Just going to put this here re: expenses for a Mississauga trip.

 

Hotel:  During the summer any decent hotel that tolerates sexworkers is about $200+ per night

So 3 nights is 600+ plus taxes and fees, an average of $800 and that is on the low end

Train: $120+ each way, so 240

Uber to the train and back home: 20 each way

Uber to Mississauga: 35+ each way, so 70

Food expenses are higher, cannot carry a bunch of homemade food on the train with their new luggage restrictions, so let's add 100

Am I close to 1500 yet? I'm not even done.

 

So as unbelievable as it is to you, high expenses are now the reality of touring. 

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PS. Where did I ever say I requested deposits while working from home here in Kingston? I don't.

Only when touring. 

So much of your babble and many of your remarks regarding my Kingston work don't even fit my narrative. 

Maybe read or do your research before posting thinking you know everything about something you have zero personal experience in (being a sexworker.)

 

And as I'm sure you would never book me anyways, I would never give consent to seeing you.

 

 

You are anti-deposit but recommend we ask for a photo of our clients?!

If a client doesn't trust us with a deposit, do you actually think they would trust us with a photo?

C'mon 

 

On one hand you say we are in a BUSINESS yada yada, and before that you put sexworkers down and claim we don't deserve deposits or cancelation fees by comparing us with lawyers and doctors. 

You are doing a bunch of flip-flopping.