No restrictions

[Carrie Moon 68826]

Full-service for many years before the internet ever was used to advertise or discuss escorting meant simply 'intercourse' and 'oral both ways' was on the menu as opposed to just massage and handjob.

 

No restrictions I've always found misleading.. either the person offering it has a whole list of don't when you get there but used the ''no restrictions'' tagline to draw you in.. or if she did have a large list of menu options.. of course there is some line to be drawn somewhere. I never really got it.. so I agree it's always best to clarify that one for sure.

 

As for advertising GFE and then saying no kissing or daty or bbbj.. same thing. I think people overuse the GFE term either without really understanding what it means to most people or getting on the GFE bandwagon to sell their services.

 

While there are many people who agree on a common definition of services there are just as many who want to define it their own way. That will never change unfortunately.

 

This is where reco's and reviews come in handy.. to see if a lady's advertising of a set of acts is really on the menu or a matter of YMMV or a complete line of BS..

[voyageur819 213]

When I see "no restrictions" , I assume BBBJ, CIM and greek are on the menu, that's already a lot, I don't expect more. but then there's the whole issue of marketing/appeal. But in my case I guess it may have the opposite effect as I tend to feel safer with girls that promise safe encounters. If when I get there, I find the BJ has two extra B's, I'll be more inclined to indulge.

 

Personnally, I prefer when the line is clearly drawn beforehand as it tends to limit the discussion of such topics during the visit. I prefer not the think of the transactional nature of the encounter when I'm there. I'm more relaxed that way.

[fortunateone 156618]

I rarely see ads with "no restrictions" but when I do it seems fairly clear based on the style of the ad, or other 'red flag" indicators that it is code for offering bbfs. It may be due to them being undereducated about it, or that it is common enough where they are from, or it is a way of getting that extra 20 or 50, or because they are new (probably underage) and don't have clue one about what it is referring to. I do know that there will be a considerable number of guys who read that and also assume it is an offer for bbfs, and that there will be trouble if they show up and it is not part of the menu.

 

Having said that, there is another red flag set of clues where that phrase is used banking on the misunderstanding to get these guys to the door, the guys seeking bbfs and being disappointed when the sp says of course not, that's not what that meant. Knowing all the time that it was going to attract that guy, classic b&s tho the red flags I am talking about include all the clues of classic b&s as well.

[roamingguy 300292]

Well the best way to find out what a lady means when she offers no restrictions is to ask the lady ahead of time

Don't assume it means bbfs, simply ask what she offers

Just a quick thought

RG

[Gentleman11 10508]

The condition "No Restrictions" on CERB troubles me somewhat. I come here for a variety of reasons, meeting the ladies, comeraderie, friendship, humour, SAFETY, etc. The "no restrictions" handle (perception based) troubles me - call me old fashioned, overly SAFETY conscious, naive or whatever.

 

I will pass given that "No Restrictions" handle, OK, I'm a prude, guilty!.

 

G11

 

Musings from a conservative guy.

[whatsup 11893]

You would be extremely hard pressed to find BBFS especially on Cerb or just about any where. Seriously, think about it and read about it.

[Carley Chase 18985]

My own impression is that "No Restrictions" is one of those terms that really doesn't have a specific meaning translatable into a list of exact services on the menu. Much like "PSE", I take it to be more about the attitude. At heart, it's often just a marketing buzz-word. Because of course there's always restrictions - there's always a line.

 

Very well said :) I would have to agree. Although at the same time when you think about it, it does come off that possibly BBFS is an option. I doubt there are many girls who would be willing to risk of something like that. However I am sure there are some.

[Guest W***ledi*Time]

In my opinion, another way it's analogous to "PSE": If a lady advertises "PSE", does that mean a client can take the term literally, and expect her services to include everything he's ever seen a Porn Star do on screen? No. Same thing with "No Restrictions" - for me, it's just not to be taken in its literal sense. Again, my opinion.

[Royalfun 55449]

 

No restrictions I've always found misleading.. either the person offering it has a whole list of don't when you get there but used the ''no restrictions'' tagline to draw you in.. or if she did have a large list of menu options.. of course there is some line to be drawn somewhere. I never really got it.. so I agree it's always best to clarify that one for sure.

 

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This is where reco's and reviews come in handy.. to see if a lady's advertising of a set of acts is really on the menu or a matter of YMMV or a complete line of BS..

 

I find also the "no restrictions" mention misleading. For me, it lights the "be careful" sign, puts a doubt in my mind and most of the time it's a turn-off.

 

For me, safety on all sides is an absolute and I appreciate when the SP or the MA have an ethic (no BB or no whatever) and sticks to it. I like to develop regular relation with a provider that I am at ease with. And my safety, in some ways, rely also on the safe way she deals with her other clients.

 

Like Carrie Moon said, reco's and reviews are a very nice tool to know better the approach of the SP, still knowing that the experience of each person is unique, but it shows how she "delivers" her services.

 

 

As a complement, I just read the ad of Lonna Lux and she uses the expression: "I have an open menu". I found that clever and stimulating.

[VedaSloan 119179]

I don't see where the problem is seeing a provider that is comfortable enough to offer such services. Myself, I have slept with boyfriends unprotected, does that make me unclean, and so what if I were paid for it or not. When we dabble in this industry, we all know the risks, they are out there if we are getting paid/paying for it or not, so put on your seat belt and drive carefully..Protect yourself, that's the best you can do.

There is a market for BB services, they are enjoyed by many and if that's what they like then good for them..Please don't throw a chance to meet a great service provider away because of her personal choices since you would have used protection anyways, right?

 

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=109qwzYz4A0

starts at 5:25

 

 

The issue is that providers offering BBFS are putting both themselves and their clients at risk, and contributing to the harmful stereotypes that sex workers are vectors of disease and don't protect ourselves.

 

It's not about whether or not the provider is comfortable offering it, or what you do in your personal life. If you offer BBFS there is no way to guarantee that your client is STD/HIV free.

 

If you slept with boyfriends unprotected, and didn't catch anything, consider yourself lucky. It doesn't make you unclean, just careless.

[fortunateone 156618]

The issue is that providers offering BBFS are putting both themselves and their clients at risk, and contributing to the harmful stereotypes that sex workers are vectors of disease and don't protect ourselves.

 

It's not about whether or not the provider is comfortable offering it, or what you do in your personal life. If you offer BBFS there is no way to guarantee that your client is STD/HIV free.

 

If you slept with boyfriends unprotected, and didn't catch anything, consider yourself lucky. It doesn't make you unclean, just careless.

 

 

 

And in some cases advertising or providing BBFS is a sign of a number of other issues the sp has: she may be mentally ill or deficient, alcoholic/drug addict, infected (therefore nothing to catch). Or she may be using it as a lure because she is a thief, and no services will ever be provided, but the money will be taken. There aren't too many educated, sane, and sober sps who are going to be providing this, no matter what the financial gain (if any) is.

[billybob 20128]

I agree with WrinkedinTime with regards to PSE, especially when an SP says they provide GFE with a "sprinkle" of PSE, that is confusing. I do find most providers here are very up front with what they will and won't do, but some are not. Also, there are some providers who say if you're looking for a menu of services I am not for you, that is fine as well but I must say most guys would like to know what they can and cannot expect.

 

Additional Comments:

And in some cases advertising or providing BBFS is a sign of a number of other issues the sp has: she may be mentally ill or deficient, alcoholic/drug addict, infected (therefore nothing to catch). Or she may be using it as a lure because she is a thief, and no services will ever be provided, but the money will be taken. There aren't too many educated, sane, and sober sps who are going to be providing this, no matter what the financial gain (if any) is.

 

to equate mental illness with a sp that provides bbfs is absurd in my opinion, it is ignorant.

[SamanthaEvans 166766]

. . . in some cases advertising or providing BBFS is a sign of a number of other issues the sp has: she may be mentally ill or deficient, alcoholic/drug addict, infected (therefore nothing to catch). . . . There aren't too many educated, sane, and sober sps who are going to be providing this, no matter what the financial gain (if any) is.

 

to equate mental illness with a sp that provides bbfs is absurd in my opinion, it is ignorant.

 

Based on my own experience, I agree with fortunateone's comment above, and earlier in this thread. Far too often "no restrictions" does mean exactly that. In some cases the woman is desperate for money. She may have an infection and be in despair, thinking that things can't get worse now that she's ill. She may be new to the business and inexperienced. She may not know what the industry standards are, or she may believe that most companions will do anything if we're paid enough.

 

With respect, billybob, I'm sad to say that in Vancouver at least, a large proportion of outdoor sex workers do provide bareback services because they have serious addiction problems and/or are mentally ill.

 

The thing we have got to recognize is that many companions only appear to be independents, in charge of the services they provide and the way they're advertised. In every city, there are pimps who recruit inexperienced and/or desperate women, frequently via the "escorts," "casual encounters," "m4w" and "adult" sections of various websites like CL, b*page and similar places. The Asian micro-brothels often work this way, but they're not the only ones.

 

Most women enter the sex trade because something has happened in their lives that has created a desperate need to earn a lot of money quickly. Most women don't know--or aren't aware that they do know--prostitutes. They have little idea about what the sex trade can involve, what their options may be or how to find a good agency or massage parlor. Desperate people frequently do only enough research to find what they want to find, not to learn about what's true. Consider how fear and panic might influence your decisions if you're facing homelessness or losing custody of your child.

 

Pimps take advantage of women in such circumstances every day. They may offer to provide a place to work and to take care of the advertising and bookings. They often provide a driver, as well, who will take the woman from her home to her incall location and back again at the end of her shift. The ads they run will be low-priced or free, but otherwise indistinguishable from most of the other ads on the website. When a prospective client calls the number they can discuss a vast range of services and make a booking. The companion is then faced with someone who believes that he will be able to have X, Y and Z, which may include bareback services. If the companion doesn't want to do these things, she may have considerable trouble with the pimp.

 

I knew a young woman in Vancouver who objected to providing bbfs. When a client complained to her pimp--having paid a considerable fee for this--the pimp gave the woman a heck of a spanking and then advertised her as available for a schoolgirl role play where "Daddy" has heard from the school that she'd been disciplined that day and makes sure she's learned her lesson. Some men are excited by an already-spanked bottom and will pay a significant sum to give the next spanking. This particular companion endured four such men that night, was paid quite well and thereby learned not to say no. She also didn't work for another week until her bruises had healed.

 

I realize that such stories may seem far-fetched, but they're not uncommon. They should make one be very careful about booking a new girl found on a free online advertising site.

 

Finally, while I appreciate that most of the men here are not interested in bareback full service, prospective clients ask me for it once or twice a week, frequently offering to pay double my regular fees, or more, which, frankly, is a heck of a lot of money. I always decline.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

To summarize, No Restrictions in my mind brings around the word "risky" and followed by the word, "avoid".

 

 

I knew a young woman in Vancouver who objected to providing bbfs. When a client complained to her pimp--having paid a considerable fee for this--the pimp gave the woman a heck of a spanking and then advertised her as available for a schoolgirl role play where "Daddy" has heard from the school that she'd been disciplined that day and makes sure she's learned her lesson. Some men are excited by an already-spanked bottom and will pay a significant sum to give the next spanking. This particular companion endured four such men that night, was paid quite well and thereby learned not to say no. She also didn't work for another week until her bruises had healed..

 

Very sad to read this and many worse stories I have read in the papers recently. This is a clear case of abuse and exploitation of the weak and defenceless and in these cases I DO SUPPORT the Nordic system which the abusive clients will be subjected to criminal prosecution except that I would add a minimum 1 year mandatory jail term to it not for hobbying but for assault causing bodily harm of defenceless. The abused must be cleared of any wrongdoing so that she can come forward and have both the client and the pimp arrested and punished and supported by government sponsored programs until she make a transition to a better life. Remember that it is the demand that causes all these pains. If demand is not out there then there won't be any of the abuse/exploitation stories that we frequently read. And those pimps who force the bbfs on their desperate for money ladies must face life sentences because it is equivalent to assault with weapon causing death (yes aids can still kill in spite of new treatments) or endangering lives or attempted murder.

[Ashley Ann 75247]

In this day and age, and in this line of work, I think using the term "NO restrictions" is really freaking scary OR really effing deceiving...I also must say that any man who would be up for taking ginorm risks by taking part in sexual activities w/ a lady who has no restrictions is not someone I would be comfortable spending time with.......Sometimes a lady can see as many as 15-20 guys a week, and when you throw in the no restrictions deal , and then multiply that per month, then per year.... very scary stuff IMO!!! Nothing wrong w/ having fun, but for the love of your health ..PLAY SAFE!!!!!!!!! No amount of money or pleasure is worth the risk of the very harsh consequences...

[roamingguy 300292]

Just a thought, after my first cup of coffee LOL

Maybe, just maybe, no restrictions does not equal bbfs

Maybe it means for the lady that she is open to certain menu items that only some SP's provide...for example, greek, bdsm, etc. She still offers fs, but its cfs, not bbfs

It could be used as part of her advertising to catch a potential guy's eye.

Really, before equating no restrictions with bbfs, contact the lady, she can tell you what she means

Not saying don't be concerned, but lets not jump to conclusions the minute you see no restrictions

RG

[ottawaadventurer 5114]

I agree with RG. I totally agree with the posts in this thread about safety.... But the thread did take a bit of a turn... The OP was asking what "no restrictions" means and this morphed into a discussion of BBfS.

 

I, for one, tend to assume that it means no restrictions within the usual parameters. There are many SPs with restrictions such as no kissing, no DATY, no digits, etc. When I read no restrictions, I read that these things are in. I also think many ladies use the term to mean Greek is on the menu.

 

Perhaps I am being naive, but I hope I'm right. For everyone's sake.

[Guest W***ledi*Time]

... This is a clear case of abuse and exploitation of the weak and defenceless and in these cases I DO SUPPORT the Nordic system which the abusive clients will be subjected to criminal prosecution except that I would add a minimum 1 year mandatory jail term to it not for hobbying but for assault causing bodily harm of defenceless. The abused must be cleared of any wrongdoing so that she can come forward and have both the client and the pimp arrested and punished and supported by government sponsored programs until she make a transition to a better life. Remember that it is the demand that causes all these pains. If demand is not out there then there won't be any of the abuse/exploitation stories that we frequently read. And those pimps who force the bbfs on their desperate for money ladies must face life sentences because it is equivalent to assault with weapon causing death (yes aids can still kill in spite of new treatments) or endangering lives or attempted murder.

 

SA, this sounds like an argument for decrim, not an argument for the Nordic system.

 

Clients who notice something amiss are a main source of alerting police that an abusive situation may be happening. The clients are often the first to know or suspect, and we're not all uncaring about human suffering, despite how we're portrayed in the media (as of course you yourself know, SA). But according to Swedish sex workers, clients are now less willing to assist as witnesses in cases against abusive pimps in Sweden, since the clients now find themselves guilty of a crime. Swedish sex workers also report that there is an increased dependency on pimps now, because it is difficult for the providers to make direct contact with clients - sellers must rely on agents/pimps/helpers to find clients.

 

Note that in Canada there are already plenty of laws against pimping and abuse. See my usual posts on this matter - for example:http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=250724&highlight=pimping#post250724 in which I point out that Canadian sex workers can be defended using the same existing laws with which everyone else in Canadian society is defended. Since you mention assault causing bodily harm specifically, I'll point out that there is a law against this in Canada - the punishment for which (in its simplest form, without considering aggravating factors) can be 10 years in prison (Criminal Code, Section 267).

 

Demand for sex does not cause these pains. Abusers cause these pains. (And remember that there is no substantive evidence that Sweden's Sex Purchase Act has deterred the purchase of sex in Sweden, anyway).

 

Transitional programs for sex workers who want to exit the industry could be put in place at any time - they do not requiire that clients be criminalized. There's just no connection between the two.

 

The simple fact is that the Nordic model has not turned out, in practice, to have the effect of protecting sex workers.

 

Sorry for the diversion. Back to the discussion of the thread topic ....

[Touch 57501]

On the whole that would be my interpretation too...

[VedaSloan 119179]

To summarize, No Restrictions in my mind brings around the word "risky" and followed by the word, "avoid".

 

 

 

Very sad to read this and many worse stories I have read in the papers recently. This is a clear case of abuse and exploitation of the weak and defenceless and in these cases I DO SUPPORT the Nordic system which the abusive clients will be subjected to criminal prosecution except that I would add a minimum 1 year mandatory jail term to it not for hobbying but for assault causing bodily harm of defenceless. The abused must be cleared of any wrongdoing so that she can come forward and have both the client and the pimp arrested and punished and supported by government sponsored programs until she make a transition to a better life. Remember that it is the demand that causes all these pains. If demand is not out there then there won't be any of the abuse/exploitation stories that we frequently read. And those pimps who force the bbfs on their desperate for money ladies must face life sentences because it is equivalent to assault with weapon causing death (yes aids can still kill in spite of new treatments) or endangering lives or attempted murder.

 

Wow. Where do I even start with this one? First of all, demand for sexual services has NOTHING to do with the violence some sex workers experience and everything to do with the fact that we're criminalized.

 

There is absolutely NO NEED to resort to the Swedish model, as there are CURRENTLY laws in place to deal with pimps and forced/coerced prostitution.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

Wow. Where do I even start with this one? First of all, demand for sexual services has NOTHING to do with the violence some sex workers experience and everything to do with the fact that we're criminalized.

 

There is absolutely NO NEED to resort to the Swedish model, as there are CURRENTLY laws in place to deal with pimps and forced/coerced prostitution.

 

I meant the demand for what I describe as perversive services to the point that the poor lady was unable to function for a week because of bruised bum (not demand for sex). Beating up another (already bruised) defenceless human being is not a sexual act, it is a perversion and must be punishable as assault causing bodily harm.

 

The Swedish model will consider the abused as victim and not guilty of solicitation or being in/running a bawdy house as criminal act, as it is the law now (and yes the abusive client/pimp may go to jail but also she will face procecution if comes forward and complain and may lose the custody of her child and many other things as it stands NOW) and that was why the lady in SamanthaEvan's true story didn't likely come forward especially against her pimp who was trying to force her to have bbbf and gave her a beating when she refused). There are many sexual abuse/exploitation cases going on as we speak but few complains are made, why??? Something needs fixing lol.... There is no use to have laws in place if no one dares to come forward and report pimps and forced/coerced prostitution lol!!!.

 

The Nordic system is good if it doesn't paint everyone with same brush. As I have said it before, voluntary paid sex work as a profession between consenting adults as dates (even if paid) must remain legal but sex workers must be protected by law and able to report abuse cases without facing prosecution themselves and able to hire guards and drivers and work as a group in a house. The other extreme (decriminalization) may have same positive effects as above but I believe (and I may be wrong but my view is supported by at least two studies) it may result in more violence towards sex workers and more pimping/forced prostitution which I am very much against,

[April Dawn 12207]

With the nordic model how would they be able to do such things?

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[Guest W***ledi*Time]

... The Swedish model will consider the abused as ... not guilty of solicitation or being in/running a bawdy house as criminal act, as it is the law now ....

 

Decrim has the same effect in this regard.

 

The Nordic system is good if it doesn't paint everyone with same brush ....

 

The Nordic system does paint everyone with the same brush. And this is precisely what it set out to do - it was originally motivated, and is still based, on the ideological claims of radical feminist policymakers. They insist that prostitution by its very nature is always a form of male violence against women.

[fortunateone 156618]

Still off topic, but no, the Nordic system is not going to give you what you want. Sex workers now are free to report crimes like assault, they can and they do. But, an sp victimized by a pimp is rarely going to be the one to do this. She isn't afraid of the clients, she's afraid of what he's going to do to her. And he will do something, make no mistake about it. She also isn't going to have the freedom to report the clients. Plus, whether the client participated or not, the Nordic model isn't going to differentiate between ones who do and do not. It assumes guilt of violence on all of them, in that prostitution is violence against women. Is being associated as a violent offender something that you would wish upon yourself or others? Because that is the assumption and stigma due to the Nordic setup.

 

 

The example is one where the sp is forced by a pimp. There are already laws to deal with this that are clearly ineffective. They aren't unused tho, as I do know of a recent case of a guy out East charged with, among other things, forcing an underage sp to work. She reported him as well for forcing her to do bbfs appts. Since she was 17 at the time of reporting, it made even more charges easy to be laid.

 

There are lots of laws already in place to deal with criminal activities, I don't see any reason to penalize the majority of law abiding citizens to deal with the minority of deviants.

[Guest W***ledi*Time]

...decriminalization... may result in more dangers to sex workers and more pimping/forced prostitution which I am very much against,

 

As I pointed out in a previous post (http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=263987&highlight=scottish#post263987), the study you mentioned does not support this conclusion in the way Joy Smith says it does. I provided a link to the study itself. There is no evidence of a general correlation between whether prostitution is legal or illegal in any given country, and the amount of human trafficking in that country.

 

Meanwhile:

 

... Swedish sex workers ... report that there is an increased dependency on pimps now, because it is difficult for the providers to make direct contact with clients - sellers must rely on agents/pimps/helpers to find clients...