Starting a blacklist for no-shows and problem clients.

[mod 135639]

What I think Ottawa could us is a central booking system (with alias's and reputation levels - like Ebay for the sp's and hobbiests - where you can leave feedback on your booking). Many of the independant ladies have asked me about a online booking system over the years so Ottawa may be a good place for something like this.

 

The booking system could be used as a way to increase safety for the SP's (to know that you are legit and not wasting her time, verify the client before making the appointment and also as a reminder system (call her and him to remind them of the appointment - much like many doctors offices and even libraries are doing these days)

 

In turn it can be used opposite as well (to leave feedback on the SP) but it would need a dispute system and some sort of moderator.

 

To verify the clients and SP's it could veryify phone and email when you sign-up the system gives you a PIN number then calls you and asks you to enter the PIN to verify your phone number. It could also send you a email verification as well to verify your email address. In the future when technology becomes available it could have voice print capabilities and much more.

 

Changing phone numbers or emails would only force you to start from scratch again as a NEW member (Higher risk) and would also be a pain in the ass for anyone who is booking fake dates with the ladies and wasting the ladies time (This seams to happen a lot in Ottawa). When a booking is placed with the lady it would tell her if the guy has a verified email, a verified phone number and what his feedback count is...

 

The system could still keep everyone annoynomous, it could screen guys for the ladies and also screen the ladies for the guys.

 

It would need to be well thought out and able to keep the integrity... For instance in order to be able to leave negative feedback on a SP or Hobbiest the person leaving the feedback would need to have 5 postive feedbacks on his/her account (and to ensure the integrity of the system those 5 feedbacks should need to be from 5 different people who all have 5 or more postitive feedbacks each themselves).

 

Or something like that.... I am not saying I want to build this system as I have no idea how popular it would be but if it's something that would be of interest and everyone thinks it would help we could work together to build it and I would surely help out. I think the reason stuff like this does not exist yet is because it would be pricey to build and not very profitable.

 

Many of the ladies would pay a usage fee if the system is screening the guys for them but the usuage fee would need to be very afforable to make it worth wild for them, but with all the no-shows in Ottawa it could actually be a very valuable thing for them (and the guys).

 

Just some idea's I had floating in my head.

[cat 262460]

We have a few black listed clients from the pass. We banned their emails, phone number, adress, etc... (as much as we can) right away to protect the next one. We also track the reason why and keep references.

 

We do not have many bad clients for some reason, maybe we are just lucky. Our clients are business people also drug free, it reflect the ladies we have.

 

I believe sometime clients gets banned from one agency but they are nice to another one.

 

Its like a kniffe with 2 blades. We have to use our jugement as much as we can first, you can only thrust yourself.

 

If a client is nice 10 times, and one day someone place a complaint on this client, who would you believe if the girl is new to the agency ?

 

I would banned the client because I cannot take a chance for the next appointment. We got to be strict in this business for the best of the ladies.

 

Resending a girl to the same agressif client is a form of force control and of course greediness.

 

Usually if you get a client using a cellular phone, those are more at risk.

 

www.Discreetvalley.com

 

I think this thread is about a local no-show/timewasters list and it is something I would gladly contribute to, altho my input would be limited. I simply don't really have an issue with this happening often.

 

I agree, it is a double edged sword. When I was an agency girl down south I had a client that was an established regular. He was a bit disorganized at times because he always called after a night of indulging too much. I had him for a year with only minor hiccups and then one night he snapped. I spent 4 months recuperating with no income. I told the agency (she had fallen asleep and didn't realize the magnitude of the situation at the time) but she continued to send other girls and it happened again. Greed was the motivating factor there. It was the only time my safety was jeoprodized in my entire career.

 

Clients who are not mentally stable can and will be very cunning with their contact information. But having a list forces them to invest more time, enegy and capital because they can't dupe using the same information. On the most part, clients that waste time do so because they fail to plan properly, it's not intentional. The small percentage that take up the hobby of jerking us around are just yahoos who have no life. They are lonely souls who have empty lives, an axe to grind with the world and take it out on those that can't hold them accountable.

 

To address a couple of the other posts, I believe that this business is built on professional beliefs and the idea that we would waste our time feeding false information to competitors isn't applicable. We do think for ourselves and behind the scene communications would quickly identify anyone who was pulling this. We are all here to make life better and those that run their business from a position of fear of competition have limited longevity and will burn out.

 

Just my 2 cents...

 

Catherine

[Emma Alexandra 123367]

Again i agree with Catherine...she said everything i would have said...

 

"To address a couple of the other posts, I believe that this business is built on professional beliefs and the idea that we would waste our time feeding false information to competitors isn't applicable. We do think for ourselves and behind the scene communications would quickly identify anyone who was pulling this. We are all here to make life better and those that run their business from a position of fear of competition have limited longevity and will burn out. "

 

Emma A

[Love2Cum 100]

I think safety is the most important factor. If the list is mainly for situations where the safety of the woman is compromised, that's fantastic. However, CERB is great because it is a recommendation board and that goes both ways. Would it be useful to maintain a complimentary whitelist so that SPs could post info to other SPs on their good experiences with clients. That provides some balence so that is a guy has 10 good notes and a new girl at an agency reports a bad note, there's some contrast there to give those privy to the list some background. 10 good notes by various well respected providers vs 1 bad note by a new girl would look fishy.

 

Basically like we have here, if you read many positive reviews on a girl here on CERB, especially by established members, and read one bad review elsewhere, it gives some context to it and the bad review doesn't hold as much weight.

[Guest Ou**or**n]

As long as each agency or SP contributes using reasonable criteria then a shared list would be good. I'm all for anything that can make this a safer business for the ladies. A few years back I-N out of Montreal had an electronic booking system that heavily penalized anyone that canceled in advance and was an example of a bad implementation.

 

The suggestion by the Mod here about a centralized booking system is also one that I've had rolling around in my head - especially the use of an e-bay style rating system. As a software developer in my real life I recognize the scope of such a system is quite substantial but I hope someone eventually builds one. It could be used in cities all over the world. I think it would benefit all parties.

[d*mm*y 887]

My thought is around the cancellations and time wasters, I have seen SP's after a cancellation or a few of them and the first 10 min's of the appointment is them venting about how pissed they are. It would be nice to reduce or eliminate these then everyone would get better service, it would be easier for legitimate users (like me of course!) to see the ladies and the ladies would be in better moods.

[Seymour 3970]

Time wasters, no-shows, crank callers are one group that's a nuisance.

 

Aggressive clients, non payers, short changers, hagglers are another and more risky.

 

How to deal with them likely require different approaches - For the first group, we could use technology to try and solve this but we have seen and demonstrated how easy it is (for us responsible players) to use the same technology to remain covert - it is just as easy for these folk to do the same. Perhaps this is a tactic used by some agencies to keep the competition tied up so they are not booking clients....in addition to being a nuisance.

 

There does not appear to be a silver bullet to get rid of group 1 - there will always be clowns out there.

 

For the riskier group - that is the stuff the ladies should be sharing, as some members have alluded to - the SP area on this board can be used for that.

There is no silver bullet here too - each time one addresses a security or safety concern by requesting a client to give up some more privacy (e.g. provide a picture prior to booking) we are in fact compromising the discretion component. Not everyone is OK with providing a picture in order to make an appointment.

 

Then there is the challenge of determining the rules of engagement for building, maintaining lists, under what conditions you end up on a list or get removed from a list. Same for a centralized booking system - agencies and indies would have to play by the same rules. Today they don't charge the same rates, so how can we expect the same playing field? (This is not meant to spawn a debate on rates!!) Again - no silver bullet.

 

And after all this - no one has mentioned how a list of good clients will be ensured /assured discretion.

 

Like other members I too have had bad experiences and discretely have shared such info with other members here.

 

All this to say - too many players, too many unknowns, no silver bullet.

 

Can we learn from other business models? Perhaps - how about a members only club, with security (bouncers like a strip club) and an opportunity to socialize with single or multiple courtesans. Not a setup for a quick oil change - but rather social activities leading to other consensual activities. The host provides the security for the courtesans, ensure a better more responsible clientele, discretion etc etc -and perhaps, just perhaps keep the time wasters, crackpots etc away. Oh yes, no drugs on premise and regular health checks for the gals. What am I getting at? Perhaps it is time to change the business model.

 

Does this count as a common bawdy house? I don't know - but this is likely a good place to ask the question...though not the only place.

 

I never heard of the Playboy Mansion getting busted. Remember my first post - I said I like to do things different.

Your thoughts members....

[loneskater 25635]

I have always agreed with a blcklist and my opinion hasnt changed. Howevr I must disaggree witht he fact there is no chnace this would be abuse. I have talked with 2 different SPs already who tried to start in this business via CL. Both had their ads consistently flagged and I doubt very much this was being dome by clients. Someone did not want the competition. Also we all know htere is someone intent on putting fake pics in CL. Now should we trust them whoever they are. I trust most but there are always some bad apples hanging around.

[ulixestrojan 3757]

Too complicated for me - I am not simple minded just prefer simple.

 

If you are good and treat me well, I tell people. If not, never again and never a word. My friends know exactly what the score is.

 

There are SO MANY OPPORTUNITIES for great sex in this world - never settle for less (unless you like that sort of thing) This applies to both men and women.

 

Live well. Play hard. Get Off. Next:grin:

[bangminton 145]

My concern is whatever *lists* that you guys maintain may be leaked out, intentionally or unintentionally, and that may pose a problem in terms of privacy.

[Emma Alexandra 123367]

i have my own blacklist that consists of 1) no-shows {not cancellations-people can't help if they are sick or something comes up}

2) bad-dates {although that rarely happens}

3} prang callers otherwise known to me as yankers

4} and time wasters..

if i believe they are bad enough to share with others i will post them in the Sp section..

 

kisses,

Emma A

[antlerman 17064]

there was a so cald black list a while ao by a member here...and I was listed on that black list even though it was not me.

There were many people who stood up for me.....and I thank them....

But a black list would have to be pretty accurate to help prevent problems......

 

Picture you have a alias (A1) that you hobby by...and some one picks an alias (A2)that is close to A1's.

So A2 goes out and creats havoc......well since A1's is close they most likely will be considered one and the same.....

So now A1 goes out to hobby and is refused or ignored and ends up posting the fact that they can not get a meeting and is getting no response....

now we have a propblem.....

 

 

that is what I see is part of the issue

[mod 135639]

For the riskier group - that is the stuff the ladies should be sharing, as some members have alluded to - the SP area on this board can be used for that.

 

The SP area can be used for this and for your group one. Anyone who wastes the ladies time or is dangerous should go on the list. If they are going to put an end to this no-show problem Ottawa has then this is a way to combat it. I agree if you are sick that is a different story as long as you give some notice. What does happen however is that one lady will post a warning and other ladies will add comments either saying "yes, that has happened to me with this person" or "I did not have any problems with this person" and in some cases "This is a regular of mine and I never have problems with him" (So it is "Self policing" so that misinformation or people put on the list from a simple misunderstanding are often vouched for)... a number of the ladies will blacklist you if you make an appointment and cancel with short notice and if you don't even bother to call them you will be blacklisted for sure.

 

 

 

Does this count as a common bawdy house? I don't know - but this is likely a good place to ask the question...though not the only place.

 

I never heard of the Playboy Mansion getting busted. Remember my first post - I said I like to do things different.

Your thoughts members....

 

Well, the playboy mansion does not have working girls so you are comparing apples and oranges here (Not to mention this is Canada). To answer your bawdy house question... Yes, it would be a bawdy house IF sex is being offered in this "Common" location in exchange for money. If it's a "Swingers" club and everyone is swapping partners with not financial gains it is legal. If it was a private members club where no one discussed sex for money at the location but you could leave with someone and discus this in private outside of the club that may be legal (but this is very gray area).

[Dash (No longer a member) 102]

I too, like most here, have a small list of emails and phone numbers of people who either tried to scam me (no money or the like) or were abusive etc.

 

I support the idea but have some reservations as to how this would be implemented.

[Seymour 3970]

thanks mod!

[misterdynomite30 174]

The list of no-shows and non serious people goes both ways as i've met with an escort before who wasn't the person she showed in her pics.. and the worst scenario was she showed up with a dude which was very suspicious and i felt danger coming (i.e. a set up to get robbed) so i just abandoned both as there was no assurance for privacy when she said in her ad "discreet" and it was false advertising. (this was pre-internet when it happened, but it can still happen nowadays)

 

If you're going to make a list, it can't be one sided. escorts and hobbyists both can qualify as "no-shows" or bait & switchers.