YMMV - A client's guide to a passionately wonderful time

[Guest h****hedl]

Hi there beautiful ladies of Cerb... I have learned plenty by posting threads to solve my curiosity and I have to admit that I have been enlightened time and time again. So, I chose this topic, because I would love to know what makes you SP's turned on!!!!

 

The topic I would like to discuss would be the "YMMV" aspect of escorting. I understand as human beings, we will be attracted to some people more or less than others (not implying service will be lacking for those less physically attractive). I would rather be on the other side of that fence and ask: "What attributes would a client have that you would consider going that extra mile with him/her?" A gift? A comment? A compliment? Lifestyle? Great manners? Kinda give us hobbyists, that are willing to go the extra mile for the SP's, a hint at what really gets your wheels turning. Is there anything specific that you look for in a client, that would determine which extra services/privileges you may offer (or just spontaneously act upon).

 

Or never mind "extra services/privileges" for a moment... How about what would inspire you to give your regularly listed services with that added "UMMPHH"(for lack of better terms). Just generally make the experience better as a whole, for all involved. Or, from your perspective, is YMMV usually applied to those repeat clients that you have determined over time are worthy of these privileges?

 

As a regular hobbyist myself, I have had so many different experiences, some were absolutely mind-blowing, and were on a first meeting. Other experiences I've had, have expanded over time with trust and respect over numerous repeat visits. Also, regularly listed services have been more than ample for me in the past - as the entire meetings were just blissful. Aside from general clean hygienic habits, are there things in the past you have experienced (and are willing to share) that made you just want to step up the level of intimacy and passion with a client?

 

This thread has some really good possibilities to understanding an SP's perspective, not to mention a great opportunity for you ladies to share really cool past experiences...

 

8)

hb

[Emma Alexandra 123368]

YMMV I believe in most cases if not all cases depends on chemistry and respect for each other. The services I offer are for everyone to enjoy as long as your hygiene is impeccable and you respect my limits.

 

That said if your looking for something special you need to ask before hand. For example if you want a prostrate massage i would tell you how to prepare...you can't go to an appointment expecting some things that you are not prepared for or the lady isn't prepared for.

[EmilyRushton 253372]

 

The topic I would like to discuss would be the "YMMV" aspect of escorting. I understand as human beings, we will be attracted to some people more or less than others (not implying service will be lacking for those less physically attractive). I would rather be on the other side of that fence and ask: "What attributes would a client have that you would consider going that extra mile with him/her?" A gift? A comment? A compliment? Lifestyle? Great manners? Kinda give us hobbyists, that are willing to go the extra mile for the SP's, a hint at what really gets your wheels turning. Is there anything specific that you look for in a client, that would determine which extra services/privileges you may offer (or just spontaneously act upon).

 

Or never mind "extra services/privileges" for a moment... How about what would inspire you to give your regularly listed services with that added "UMMPHH"(for lack of better terms). Just generally make the experience better as a whole, for all involved. Or, from your perspective, is YMMV usually applied to those repeat clients that you have determined over time are worthy of these privileges?

 

 

I offer what I offer with company I choose to keep, I dont provide a menu and I wont discuss services prior to meeting. Is what I offer YMMV absolutely. I give 110% with anyone I visit with and dont offer anything "extra" to those I may click more with. I offer a complete package and not a well I like you so Ill offer this too type of deal. I am not for everyone and everyone is not for me (just like YMMV) - the same goes with the quality level of service I feel comfortable to provide.

 

No compliment, gift, comment or degree of certain attractiveness would ever make me go out my comfort zone. My thoughts are that if you feel you need to ask for a specific service, I am definitely not the lady for you. We will click because we connect on an intellectual level and our date with blossom from there.

 

We offer what we offer as WE as a person and individual are comfortable to offer it, just cause something may be listed as YMMV what makes you think that the more we like you the more we will give above and beyond what we are comfortable with?

[Emma Alexandra 123368]

I offer what I offer with company I choose to keep, I dont provide a menu and I wont discuss services prior to meeting. Is what I offer YMMV absolutely. I give 110% with anyone I visit with and dont offer anything "extra" to those I may click more with. I offer a complete package and not a well I like you so Ill offer this too type of deal. I am not for everyone and everyone is not for me (just like YMMV) - the same goes with the quality level of service I feel comfortable to provide.

 

No compliment, gift, comment or degree of certain attractiveness would ever make me go out my comfort zone. My thoughts are that if you feel you need to ask for a specific service, I am definitely not the lady for you. We will click because we connect on an intellectual level and our date with blossom from there.

 

We offer what we offer as WE as a person and individual are comfortable to offer it, just cause something may be listed as YMMV what makes you think that the more we like you the more we will give above and beyond what we are comfortable with?

 

I totally agree Em. :bigclap:

[Sensual Erin 33928]

I'm an MA but I don't like where this thread is headed in regards to publicly asking SP's if they would do "extra" because you're either special, a repeat client or give gifts and cash donations to try to persuade. This is a sense of entitlement if you ask me. This is YMMV and kept private between the provider and client. I have stopped seeing clients that have thought like this due to the discomfort.

[bcguy42 38594]

I'm with Erin and the others on this one. To me YMMV has always meant exactly that. My experience will differ from your's for the simple reason that we are different people.

 

Speaking only for myself I find the premise of the OP a bit off-putting in that I read the post as "what can I do to get you (the lady) to do more?" I guess I have this response because the answer is partly self-evident and the rest should be divined by experience. The OP indicated that he's not new to the craft so I suspect he already knows this and the question is one of those "just curious about" ones that could have been worded differently.

 

But then, I'm old enough to remember that YMMV comes from '70s automotive commercials when they were first touting the better gas mileage of this car over others during the Oil Crisis.

[roamingguy 300292]

To me, YMMV means, first and foremost, services based on hygiene (if you have bad breath for example, no kissing) But it also means if the two of you have a chemistry, and click. If you are personable and friendly it is likely to be a much better encounter than if you are cold, non-communicative etc. But it doesn't mean extras, nor should they ever be asked for or expected. And no two encounters are ever the same, each one is unique between two people. I shouldn't expect the exact same encounter with a certain lady because another guy had a certain type of encounter with her. I don't even care about the "menu" any more. I was menu oriented when I started in this lifestyle, it took me four encounters to realize there is more, so much more to being with a lady than a "menu". I like the encounter to unfold naturally, it goes where it goes. I respect all boundries the lady has, and in fact, I prefer to let the lady take the lead, at least in the first encounter or two, just to ensure boundries are respected. And in repeat encounters, a level of trust develops between the two of you, and the encounters, for lack of a better word, become more intimate, you are someone she knows, and vice versa...if that makes sense

Respect the lady's boundries. Don't try to go outside her boundries. That is her comfort zone, respect it

She is allowing you to be with her alone intimately. Respect the lady, and yes, you will have a good encounter.

A quick rambling

RG

[sledder 496]

Wow, you did it again! How are you going to stickhandle out of this one? LOL

[Kubrickfan 12836]

I think this is a GREAT topic and I see nothing about it whatsoever that should give anyone the creeps or anything else. The OP is asking a very timeless question that a lot of clients have: what are some of the factors that help to have a really noteworthy experience. Its certainly a question I ask myself all the time, not that I'm expecting anything special from the lady ... nor did the OP if you read his post carefully. On a larger scale, its a question about what what makes ladies "tick" ... a subject that has been on guys minds since the beginning of time (and will probably remain unresolved until the end of time ... smile).

 

hbonthedl, I'm definitely not a female, but my advice to you is that you simply have good communications ahead of time, you show up clean, well-dressed and very, very polite and otherwise do everything you can to help that lady feel comfortable with you. That's going to be hard to do on a first visit, and I'm a big believer in seeing ladies more than once. If its an outcall, have a selection of drinks, from water to stronger stuff, available (ask her ahead of time what she likes), maybe some background music and turn the TV off. Nothing goofy. Try to find some things in common that you share with the lady and that helps a lot as well. As human beings, we are most likely to be open and share, whether its thoughts or actions, with people we feel comfortable with.

 

And I see you're pretty new with cerb and thanks for your posts and contributions to date.

[roamingguy 300292]

A thought popped into my head. The only, and not expectation, it's more a pleasant surprise, is when a lady you have seen before, and you both click, lets you know before publicly announcing her tour date, of cities she will be in. She knows your own location and travel requirements so you can, if possible, schedule an encounter with her, before she publicly advertises her tour.

No expectations of extra special services, or more umphhhh!!!. Actually if the lady and I clicked, then the companionship, services and umphhhh that she already provides are fine...well more than just fine, thank you very much...that's why I like seeing her

And it is somewhat flattering that she remembers you, and goes out of her way to contact you. It means she likes you as a client, and would like to see you again.

A quick additional thought

RG

[mrgreen760 37785]

Be on time, be polite, be fresh and be engaged. It takes two to tango and I really dont know if i've had a ymmv encounter. Obviously each is different but certainly being conversational, friendly and interested helps everyone relax and that can't hurt.

 

Peace

MG

[LeeRichards 177238]

Oh...Just be yourself !!!! The extra "ummphh" will be there if it is meant to be. YMMV !

[Guest **n****er]

just look at the replies in here...

 

Proof positive that men will never understand women. I had no idea this topic was even remotely creepy....

 

Which is probably why the intimacy in my marriage is going so darn well right now. /sarcasm

[Kubrickfan 12836]

Agreed completely! I still have my sense of humor too, but now we've got a guy here (hbonthedl) who, as best I can tell, did nothing more than ask a question in an enthusiastic, fun way, and now apparently someone reported him for God only knows what and now he has his posting privileges under review. I will obviously defer to the Mod on all things, but I went back and looked at hb's prior posts and they seem ... well ... very normal and he seems to be trying to contribute where he can. All we are doing is scaring away posters who are trying to contribute.

 

I always want to be sensitive to the ladies concerns here, but ... unless there is more to this than meets the eye ... someone owes this guy an apology.

[EmilyRushton 253372]

Agreed completely!

 

I always want to be sensitive to the ladies concerns here, but ... unless there is more to this than meets the eye ... someone owes this guy an apology.

 

kubrickfan, while I am a huge admirer of your posts I have to disagree with you on this one. The poster in question has started a few threads that have pushed the wrong buttons with a few people (one post which he deleted and re-wrote so it looked like he wrote nothing offensive)

 

Secondly his wording of the following "How about what would inspire you to give your regularly listed services with that added "UMMPHH"(for lack of better terms)" could have been said a lot better to to not to offend people. Who is the poster and what right does he assume that WE do not provide 110% all of the time, as well what is he getting at. If you really read his post, it can be taken as how it was interpreted by quite a few people "what do I have to do to get more than what you offer"

 

If someone is concerned about YMMV, they need to take a good hard look at themself and as its already been said be polite, well groomed, considerate and show respect to the lady they are visiting with and they should have NOTHING to worry about.

[Gabriella Laurence 301887]

I always want to be sensitive to the ladies concerns here, but ... unless there is more to this than meets the eye ... someone owes this guy an apology.

 

His account is under review for an entirely different reason. A reason that has nothing to do with this thread.

Since the information was posted in the 'Privledged & Private Area for ELITE status members and SP ONLY members'

I cannot share the information in this thread but please know that there is more than meets the eye.

[Guest ***nsut***jr]

The added UMMPHH?

It could be anything.

A conversation, a smile or a look in her eyes.

A little bit of mischief, a laugh, a spontaneous comment.

Maybe she tells you something about you that she had no way of knowing except for being tuned in to the moment.

A clumsy moment or a whisper in your ear.

Thats the good stuff.

 

Something you can't reco or review but will hopefully remember for a long time.

 

Thats what works for me anyway

 

J

[Kubrickfan 12836]

Emily and Gabriella --

 

Many thanks and fair enough. I appreciate the additional information ... My posts are my opinion and I respect others' right to disagree. There are usually many sides to a story and I appreciate that I may not understand all of them.

[blue_eyes56 2010]

If someone is concerned about YMMV, they need to take a good hard look at themself and as its already been said be polite, well groomed, considerate and show respect to the lady they are visiting with and they should have NOTHING to worry about.

 

Emily, I have to disagree with you on this one. It's common knowledge among men that the quality of hobbying experiences is highly variable, regardless whether it's SP, MA or at the strip club, or a first-time or repeat visit. Men would LOVE to know what they can do to increase the probability of a positive encounter. It's frustrating and disappointing, but I accept it as part of the overall experience, and I say this as someone who is clean, fit, decent-looking, respectful and always interested in the woman's comfort/pleasure.

 

Further, it's not about services - in fact, I would trade specific items on the menu for a woman who is truly engaged in the moment every time. It's the one thing that makes me think of retiring from hobbying at times.

 

I don't say that it is easy for women to be "on", to provide "UMMPHH" every time, or that they don't try - I'm sure it's very difficult for even the best providers. Just wanted to say that the issue is very real and men feel it regularly.

[roamingguy 300292]

Emily, I have to disagree with you on this one. It's common knowledge among men that the quality of hobbying experiences is highly variable, regardless whether it's SP, MA or at the strip club, or a first-time or repeat visit. Men would LOVE to know what they can do to increase the probability of a positive encounter. It's frustrating and disappointing, but I accept it as part of the overall experience, and I say this as someone who is clean, fit, decent-looking, respectful and always interested in the woman's comfort/pleasure.

 

Further, it's not about services - in fact, I would trade specific items on the menu for a woman who is truly engaged in the moment every time. It's the one thing that makes me think of retiring from hobbying at times.

 

I don't say that it is easy for women to be "on", to provide "UMMPHH" every time, or that they don't try - I'm sure it's very difficult for even the best providers. Just wanted to say that the issue is very real and men feel it regularly.

 

Maybe the quality of encounters men have vary because of what Emily said.

You quoted her, but maybe you should re-read what she said. And she said

If someone is concerned about YMMV, they need to take a good hard look at themself and as its already been said be polite, well groomed, considerate and show respect to the lady they are visiting with and they should have NOTHING to worry about.

My guess is that the guys complaining about the quality of their encounters

are not polite, grooming not good, inconsiderate and/or disrespectful

You say men would love to know what they can do to increase the probability of a positive encounter, try being polite, well groomed, considerate and show respect for the lady...in short, be a gentleman and treat the SP/MA like a lady

RG

[fortunateone 156618]

Maybe the quality of encounters men have vary because of what Emily said.

You quoted her, but maybe you should re-read what she said. And she said

If someone is concerned about YMMV, they need to take a good hard look at themself and as its already been said be polite, well groomed, considerate and show respect to the lady they are visiting with and they should have NOTHING to worry about.

My guess is that the guys complaining about the quality of their encounters

are not polite, grooming not good, inconsiderate and/or disrespectful

You say men would love to know what they can do to increase the probability of a positive encounter, try being polite, well groomed, considerate and show respect for the lady...in short, be a gentleman and treat the SP/MA like a lady

RG

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Definitely there is that to be said. Many guys who complain about encounters, well right there you have it, they may simply be negative people and it would take an incredible effort for anyone to impress this sort of person. A nitpicker will find fault in everything, or complain about the things the sp never advertised nor promised, yet because the session lacked these things it is somehow her fault and not his for choosing to see her.

 

And that is where the 'take a hard look' comes in. Is the guy trying to see sps who are simply not suited for the type of encounter he wants/needs? Is he deciding based only on one thing, (whether it service, attitude, price, whatever screening requirements she has) in some misguided hope that he will eventually find someone rather than simply provide what is necessary to increase his chances of seeing that one?

 

And how many have such high and unrealistic expectations on first appts? Many sps are wary of new clients, from the time they book and may no show, to their arrival and may withold payment, to the time during the session when they may push boundaries, to the end when they may try to retrieve some of the donation, to afterwards when it turns out the were a reviewer who didn't like anything they did, even tho he was the one who chose to make an appt with her.

 

On 2nd visits, a lot can change. Usually for the better, because none of the baggage is in the way.

 

For example, I recently read a review of myself that was lukewarm, yet covered all of the things that I am and do. Everything I advertise, and what I would have told him on the phone. However, he decided to see me based not on anything provided (including a short review from someone who saw me and described me as I do myself) but based on forum posts. Then complained about it, including my conversation. And yet, I am to believe he came for the conversation? lol.

 

For the right person, all of the things the reviewer found fault with (including a comment about how I look like my posted age was turned with negative tone lol). He was not the right person. Look at other reviews by the same person, altho he doesn't mind someone older, they are all thin by comparison. Altho he tolerates massage, a sensual massage start is not how he defines a good encounter, and yet that is exactly what my ad states, my conversation states, and my in person discussion states, and, for that matter, reviews he would have read state.

 

 

So the moral of the story is: don't see a sensual massage curvy provider if your preferred session is a PSE encounter with a skinny woman. But if you do, for heaven's sake, take ownership on that and don't blame the sp if you can't figure out a ymmv to improve it.

[blue_eyes56 2010]

RG,

 

I totally respect your posts and value your contributions. However, I must disagree here - I read Emily's post but I don't think you totally understood what I said.

 

It is just not accurate to say that less than satisfying encounters are totally the client's fault. That's not a popular sentiment here - and I usually keep my head down to avoid these types of discussions - but I could not, in good conscience, let this pass because it's unfair to men and does not promote honest discussion that I think we're all capable of and would benefit from.

[EmilyRushton 253372]

 

It is just not accurate to say that less than satisfying encounters are totally the client's fault. That's not a popular sentiment here - and I usually keep my head down to avoid these types of discussions - but I could not, in good conscience, let this pass because it's unfair to men and does not promote honest discussion that I think we're all capable of and would benefit from.

I am not fully blaming the client on this one. Chemistry is key and lets face it "your not for everyone and everyone is not for you" in this day and age it is easier for some to sit through a bad encounter than to leave (just quoting what I have heard from numerous people)

 

For example and I will use myself as not to offend anyone. I offer a sensual gfe encounter (no pse and no greek) I dont feel I need to go any deeper on what may happen during our date as that will be between you and I. If you are a gentleman that is looking for certain menu items and not the entire package I will decline the visit as I dont want to be in a position when I meet you to start saying no to this and no to that instead of letting the session flow(there is nothing better than someone treating our date like ordering fast food or a pizza, ill have some DFK with a side of BBBJ and maybe some CIM for dessert)

 

I spend hours each day on emails which I get to know who I am going to spending time with to ensure we are both on the same page and will have a good fit.(I would rather take the time to get to know someone prior to meeting so there is no misconception of our date) Chemistry is key to me and I devote 100% into each and every date I have. I would never think of giving any less, as I expect that my potential date will have the respect to respect me and my requirements.

 

Keep in mind to some ladies this is quick cash to them and nothing more(they want you to cum and then leave), to others (myself included) this is my business and and I give it my all.

 

For someone to ask how he can get more out of a date, well maybe he is booking the wrong company, as most of the ladies I know just want a clean, respectable date and the date will be wonderful for both parties. If you do your homework and be selective, you will have less chances at having the bad date no one desires.

[PistolPete 61421]

It takes two to tango very well with one another. Is there a guide to YMMV? nope, never will be one neither as far as I'm concerned.

 

As Emily states above it has to do a lot with chemistry, as In my own experience, there have been ladies I have seen, and repeated with any place from 15-20 times and the 'chemistry' was/is excellent.

 

There has been other times where I might of met a lady once or twice, and it just did not happen for either of us,but that is the nature of the beast, because people are not going to change their personalities, regardless of services provided by the lady.

 

I'm certainly not going change my personality one hour before a appointment,nor do I expect a lady to change as well. Some people just really mesh with one another in this business, while some do not.

 

I always carry myself in the same manner every time for every appointment, respectful,honest,clean,and expecting that yes YMMV with any encounter. I do not expect more from her, but once we have established rapport with each other, and the chemistry is there ;) the sex always gets better with each visit after the first one, its all about chemistry in boudoir together, that is my take on it.

[Kubrickfan 12836]

I'm really glad to see people chiming in here and hopefully hb will chime in here soon to see if we are heading in the right direction vis-a-vis his question. I think Emily and blueeyes56 represent the two points of view, but I respecfully assert that they are both right ... from their point of view. And, after thinking about this issue a lot today, I think that's the only way to consider the issue.

 

From Emily's point of view (and probably that of many of the SPs that have posted on this topic), she is going to be wary of a guy trying to taking advantage of her. From blueeyes point of view (and mine), these encounters serve as a physical release but even more so as an emotional release, so we are looking to do whatever we can to increase the possibilty of making a connection.

 

And so I want to update my response to hb -- there are many things you can do to mess up your chances for creating "chemistry," but its highly unlikely to have that until you establish a rapport by having multiple meetings with a lady and getting to know her. And then its not about extras or YMMV or anything like that (I dont think hb ever asked that anyways), its simply about getting to know someone on an intimate level ... those are going to be the best encounters if you give them the time to develop.