Advice on the "Low Ballers"

[Mutau 2516]

Wholeheartedly agree with mrrnice2.

[Guest M*****ss****e]

My line to the ladies (just tongue in cheek here, versus the young guy's line given to Nicolette :-))

"I'm old (well middle aged LOL), bald, overweight and wear glasses and will never be on the cover of GQ

But I'm a gentleman who happily pays the donation, plus a tip and gift

RG

 

This made me giggle, thank you lol.

 

To all who have responded, I thank you. I'm not actually expecting a lowballer to be a "great" future client, I should probably have worded that better. I do worry a bit about them possibly passing on a less than desirable opinion of me to someone else though. This is due to my being so new to it all, and not having built up a very large clientele yet. I'm aware that in time, I won't think twice about saying "no thanks" and ignoring them.

 

I have stuck to my guns each time though, and actually lost a repeat last weekend because I would not offer a discount "for an old friend". I was as polite as possible in saying no, and he decided to look elsewhere. At first I was really bothered by it, and began to second guess myself. Then I thought, wait a minute, if he were say, a mechanic, and I took my (imaginary) car to him for repairs, he wouldn't give me a discount just because I'd been there before. At least, none have in my experience. So why was I sitting there feeling like I'd possibly done something wrong? Pffft!!! Nuts to that lol.

 

I agree with pretty much every comment made on this post, and I greatly appreciate it. I guess I just needed a bit of a confidence boost in this area, and boy did I ever get it. Thank you for all the supportive feedback, love this site more everytime I remember I've left it logged in again and see someone has commented lol.

[roamingguy 300292]

This made me giggle, thank you lol.

 

To all who have responded, I thank you. I'm not actually expecting a lowballer to be a "great" future client, I should probably have worded that better. I do worry a bit about them possibly passing on a less than desirable opinion of me to someone else though. This is due to my being so new to it all, and not having built up a very large clientele yet. I'm aware that in time, I won't think twice about saying "no thanks" and ignoring them.

 

I have stuck to my guns each time though, and actually lost a repeat last weekend because I would not offer a discount "for an old friend". I was as polite as possible in saying no, and he decided to look elsewhere. At first I was really bothered by it, and began to second guess myself. Then I thought, wait a minute, if he were say, a mechanic, and I took my (imaginary) car to him for repairs, he wouldn't give me a discount just because I'd been there before. At least, none have in my experience. So why was I sitting there feeling like I'd possibly done something wrong? Pffft!!! Nuts to that lol.

 

I agree with pretty much every comment made on this post, and I greatly appreciate it. I guess I just needed a bit of a confidence boost in this area, and boy did I ever get it. Thank you for all the supportive feedback, love this site more everytime I remember I've left it logged in again and see someone has commented lol.

 

Lana

Couple quick comments from a gentleman's perspective

First, don't worry about possible poor reviews from guys who try unsuccessfully to low ball you. Instead be a good professional companion, and the good reviews/recos will come. And as a sidebar, no negative reviews are allowed on CERB

Second, this old friend wasn't really a friend, if he is trying to nickle and dime you on an encounter. If a friend, he'd realize this is your livelihood and his lowballing you means less income...income to pay your bills, put food on the table etc etc etc. A friend wouldn't deprive you of income

And finally glad I was able to provide you with a giggle

Take care

RG

[Jazzitup 5652]

I am a bit late in participating in the discussion, but I could not resist.

 

The next you get one of these guys, the thing to do is to say "sure I'll give you a special rate, it just got to be $$$ (add $20 or $50 to the advertised donation). I think the new fee is justified to compensate for the insult. If they object and start arguing, let them know that it is now $$$ (add $20 or $50 more again). Keep doing this until they go away.

[Guest S**a*Q]

I would just tell them, "Sure you can have the discounted rate, but my service will match that of the donation." Then throughout the entire meeting, I'd speak incoherently and drool on myself as much as possible. When and if it comes down to sex, I will randomly start screaming about the end of the world and how the mayans were right, every time he tries to enter my vagina. When and if he makes to an orgasm, that's when I burst into tears and tell him that I love him and will never leave him alone again.

 

You get what you pay for... :P

[Kubrickfan 12836]

When and if he makes to an orgasm, that's when I burst into tears and tell him that I love him and will never leave him alone again.

 

You get what you pay for... :P

 

No, no no ... right BEFORE he makes it to orgasm. that way when he leaves he is both confused AND horny. :>)

 

Lana, greetings ... seriously, I would only add/emphasize that someone asking for a discount is definitely still a potential customer so you probably dont want to just get angry or immediately shut down the conversation. You just need to emphasize, in a friendly way, that is not a possibility. As long as he is friendly during the discussion, be friendly back. If he gets more argumentative, be a little more argumentative back. As the risk of adding yet another "double entendre" to this discussion (smile), its called "tit for tat." Its a very effective, diplomatic negotiation strategy. Not that you are negotiating on the rate ... you are negotiating to keep that customer's interest. You can shut this down whenever you want and end the discussion.

 

Its a fine line, and a lot of the ladies here could probably be professional diplomats with all the stuff they deal with and you have heard from some of the best in this string. Good luck and stay safe!

[Amelia Fox 9064]

Nicely said Zealous4u!

 

I have had a few younger men (20-25ish) ask for discounts,and go on to tell me,there amazing in bed,I will not be disappointed etc. I kindly reply to some with different sites to find cheaper ladies(CL) then I'm am on my marry way. Lol. Insulted of course but...

Men asking for a discount from me are not the gentlemen I would like to spend my time with nor would I prefer to have conversations with.

[Mikeyboy 27133]

I do worry a bit about them possibly passing on a less than desirable opinion of me to someone else though.

 

It is understandable that you are concerned for your reputation, especially when you are new and still trying to establish yourself. That is why I feel it is important to be respectful, no matter how much the offender deserves a good telling off. (Some may disagree with me on this on this point!) I do however feel that you should be firm with your response, and not waste undue time on this person either. Few would think poorly of you, in fact most would respect you more for having the conviction to not even entertain these conversations.

 

I have stuck to my guns each time though, and actually lost a repeat last weekend because I would not offer a discount "for an old friend". I was as polite as possible in saying no, and he decided to look elsewhere.

 

RG is right. This person is not your friend. You do not need people who treat you like that.

 

I would just tell them, "Sure you can have the discounted rate, but my service will match that of the donation." Then throughout the entire meeting, I'd speak incoherently and drool on myself as much as possible. When and if it comes down to sex, I will randomly start screaming about the end of the world and how the mayans were right, every time he tries to enter my vagina. When and if he makes to an orgasm, that's when I burst into tears and tell him that I love him and will never leave him alone again.

 

You get what you pay for... :P

 

Now that is hilarious!

[roamingguy 300292]

Should intersperse a thought here...yes, on my second cup of coffee now LOL

and this is more directed at any low ballers (or those thinking about it) out there

The ladies are doing this for their livelihood. This is their job, their profession...they are not looking for great sexual encounters (although I suppose a bonus if it happens) Low balling them is akin to your employer asking you to take a cut in pay, but your employer will be a great boss.

The ladies, just like everyone, want to be treated with respect by a gentleman, and that includes paying her donation, happily, in full. If you can't or won't pay her donation in full, don't waste her time by even contacting her. And maybe you should think twice about engaging in this lifestyle if you are unwilling to pay the ladies' donation in full, it is supposed to be beneficial to both the lady and you, and not paying in full is not beneficial to the lady

Remember,when a lady allows you (yes, allows you) to see her, it is and should be treated as a privilege, not as your entitlement

My rambling over

RG

[Phaedrus 209521]

Well, I'm late to this thread, so: +1 on what everyone else said. These time-wasters are not ever going to be good clients. There's a reason why you have buttons labelled 'delete' and 'end call'. Use them, put the addresses and numbers on your blacklist, and move on.

 

I must admit, I've never seen the point in haggling with anyone in the service industry. Paying cut-price rates will get you a cut-price job done, whether you're dealing with a mechanic or a plumber or a builder or an accountant or pretty much anything else under the sun; they'll all cut corners if you give them cause to, and do a good job to the best of their ability if you pay them what they deserve. And in the end, you want good service, don't you?

 

One final thing:

 

I do worry a bit about them possibly passing on a less than desirable opinion of me to someone else though.

 

Some people will do this anyway, just because they're assholes; I fear it's something most, if not all ladies have to deal with sooner or later. If you've never seen them, however, it's harder for them to get away with this. "I thought the session was OK" is nothing like as powerful a counter-argument as "He's lying; we've never met, because I refused to see him, which is probably why he's bitter."

[Meg O'Ryan 266444]

Lana, it all comes down to this...the person who negotiates is the one who loses out on a great time!

[fortunateone 156618]

You are not competing with ladies who charge lower rates, the caller is competing with clients who are willing to pay your rates.

 

That is what it comes down to, at the end of the day. If the caller wants to pay a lower rate, that option is always available to them. All they need to do is call someone who already charges the rate they want to pay.

 

On the subject of a regular requesting a discount, I would only suggest that as a one time thing, maybe short up to 20 bucks, it is your call. If he is definitely asking for a discount in exchange for making an appt, and/or continuing to see you, then no way. And they must ask before arrival, not just show up with a lower amount. And they must understand, without exception, that you expect them to make up the difference on their next appt, and/or will not now be paying the lower amount all the time.

 

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[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

For every lowballer who emails, texts or calls you trying to negotiate, there will always be a good client who will not dispute your rate.

[SamanthaEvans 166767]

I do worry a bit about them possibly passing on a less than desirable opinion of me to someone else though.

 

You are not competing with ladies who charge lower rates, the caller is competing with clients who are willing to pay your rates.

 

That is what it comes down to, at the end of the day. If the caller wants to pay a lower rate, that option is always available to them. All they need to do is call someone who already charges the rate they want to pay.

 

Lana, it's an unfortunate fact that most clients don't write reviews. Most don't know about escort review/recommendation sites and even those that do tend to say little or nothing on the boards they read. However, if a companion negotiates her rate, there's a very strong likelihood that will be mentioned in a review! I haven't see this in awhile, but it does happen occasionally.

 

I agree with fortunateone that callers are competing with clients who are willing to pay your rates. If someone says that he can't afford what you charge, he should be staying within his price range. That's his problem, not yours!

[Katherine of Halifax 113932]

My line to the ladies (just tongue in cheek here, versus the young guy's line given to Nicolette :-))

"I'm old (well middle aged LOL), bald, overweight and wear glasses and will never be on the cover of GQ

But I'm a gentleman who happily pays the donation, plus a tip and gift

RG

 

 

You are the kind of gentleman we all love to meet RG! :icon_smile:

[Guest W***ledi*Time]

... I have gotten one posted review so far (not on CERB) and I've already had questions about the rate not matching those listed....

 

That's just one of the reasons why the gents aren't permitted to mention the ladies' rates here. On Cerb, rates are for the lady herself to disclose, and no-one else!

[roamingguy 300292]

You are the kind of gentleman we all love to meet RG! :icon_smile:

 

 

 

Additional Comments:

Indeed !!

 

Thank you Katherine and Lana

[zorobaby 4121]

well this seems like the best thread, since i don't wanna risk the flaming if i made one about this topic lol.

 

What happens if a client shows up, hands you (the sp) a unsealed (presumably white) envelope, you have the time negotiated, and after the client leaves you count the donation and it isn't what was agreed upon (presumably lower in this situation). I would not ever consider doing this, i would just like to know what happens to clients if this does happen...? Black listed? The beats?(lol)

 

Again... just a question... not to offend anyone, thanks

 

Zoro

[roamingguy 300292]

well this seems like the best thread, since i don't wanna risk the flaming if i made one about this topic lol.

 

What happens if a client shows up, hands you (the sp) a unsealed (presumably white) envelope, you have the time negotiated, and after the client leaves you count the donation and it isn't what was agreed upon (presumably lower in this situation). I would not ever consider doing this, i would just like to know what happens to clients if this does happen...? Black listed? The beats?(lol)

 

Again... just a question... not to offend anyone, thanks

 

Zoro

 

Someone that would do that...likely his name would go in the SP Only Area.

One thing about this lifestyle, it is a very closed community and the ladies do talk to one another..better that they have good things to say about you than bad

RG

[SexxxyRebecca 57989]

Nice topic! I agree with everybody in here !

 

But, unfortunaly, majority of those guys dont participate to this kind of forum... :( So, There will always have some "low ballers" who will try to bargain our rate!

 

Now, I just dont put energy on them and just reply NO. If they insist, I dont reply or hang up on them! You are disrespectful with me, I dont have to be polite with you.

 

The worse with that kind of people is, even if you agree, it never gonna be enough! You will give them 20$ discount, they will ask for another 20$...

 

So, f*ck them! They dont deserve you ;)

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

well this seems like the best thread, since i don't wanna risk the flaming if i made one about this topic lol.

 

What happens if a client shows up, hands you (the sp) a unsealed (presumably white) envelope, you have the time negotiated, and after the client leaves you count the donation and it isn't what was agreed upon (presumably lower in this situation). I would not ever consider doing this, i would just like to know what happens to clients if this does happen...? Black listed? The beats?(lol)

 

Again... just a question... not to offend anyone, thanks

 

Zoro

 

For me I would try to contact you in a discrete manner, if I could not get a hold of you then either:

 

a) if it were a significant amount, and felt it were on purpose i would bring it to the attention of sp section...

 

B) but if it was small enough like a 20, then I would see if you are honest enough to contact me, then next time I will mention it and ask you for the difference when to confirm your appt.... and will count it when you hand it to me. if not proper, then ask you to leave and then report to sp section....plus you prob have a hard time trying to get a hold of me. Especially when I travel.

[sexy skyy 1077]

I am impressed with the agreement of the gentlemen on this issue, I have been asked for discounts in lieu of service quality, services, length of time as well as for economic reasons. I do not lower my quality of service or length of time and I would say I am experiencing the same economic trends the clients are. In addition I do not receive paid sick days, paid vacation or paid stat days, any time I am not working is unpaid time.

Two memorable experiences for me are: the client who told me times was tough and expenses high but agreed to required donation and then arrived in a Cadillac SUV. I bit my tongue in suggesting to him that he could lower his expenses by obtaining a less expense vehicle and save on payments, insurance and fuel...

but my favorite of all time was the potential client who suggested he could forgo the gf experience for less money. I offered the ultimate gfe in that i wouldn't shave my legs, dress in track pants and nag him about where our relationship was going, he turned me down...

 

I provide you my service options and rates in advance, I do not ask you for an extra "tip" do not ask my for a discount

[Secrets of Victoria 7208]

I am a firm believer that the rates for time, or donations, that we set for ourselves are done so with a lot of thought in mind.

Those that ask for a discount, deal, last minute giveaway, or whatever reason they give, I just don't have time for.

Gentlemen are paying us for our time. Our time is valuable, and when we take into consideration what we do to be 'ready' for our gentlemen, it adds up.

 

What the 'discounters' don't realize is the costs of hair, manicures/pedicures, spa treatments, lingerie, clothing, transportation, accommodations, it all costs.

If you want us to look good and be as prepared as we can be, then look at the fees that we have set.

 

I, for one, find it very insulting if someone asks me for a lower rate. Does that mean if I give a lower rate I can offer a lower standard of service? OMG I hope not.

I like to think that I offer a very high standard of service, and I am sure that all the ladies on this service will agree with that, that they too offer a very high standard of service, so why are we being asked to reduce rates?

 

My advice is to politely refer the potential client to your website (if you have one) that outlines your etiquette page and your rates (most sp's have this right on their etiquette page that fees are not negotiable) or just tell them politely that your fees are what they are, and use your best judgment.

[Carrie Moon 68826]

You all know the old saying. 'If you give an inch.. they'll take a mile'.

 

I usually say 'you have a good day' and hang up as soon as I'm asked for a discount.

 

BUT it's really difficult when someone comes to your door.. into your bedroom and then hands you less than your fee. I can't help myself.. I give them a huge lecture while I walk them out of my house. It gets my blood boiling. Thank god it's rare.. but it happened to me a few weeks ago.. and I told him as I was lecturing him I was blackballing him to other sps. He probably doesn't even know what that means. oh.. and it wasn't just a matter of a bit short in funds.. he brought 40 bucks total!

 

Being invited into someone's home.. bedroom and body is such a delicate personal thing I couldn't believe his audacity. Still irks me..

 

I am grateful for the ones who only try this on the phone.

I can just hang up.

[loopie 15358]

When I clicked on it, I thought this was going to be a thread about dudes with low-hanging testicles.