No Shows for...

[YoungStud 468]

Romanov. That's weird. I thought the Commies shot all of them back in 1919. Probably because they had too many no-shows on dates, among other reasons. LOL.

 

Et Original GFE, si c?est plus facile pour vous s?exprimer en fran?ais, je pense qu?ils auraient beaucoup des gens ici qui pourraient vous comprendre m?me plus mieux.

[spud271 47779]

I spoke to Alley in chat right after the no show occured, and I don't blame her for being a bit upset. What a way to start your first trip to Ottawa, pretty pathetic in my opinion. I felt bad for Alley and I hope this doesn't deter her from coming back to Ottawa. For those of you who did this to her, I think you should man up and apologize!

[captain 160]

realistically, it's way to oeasy for a cerbite to just make a new name...and come back on and contact SP's yet again, make no shows (if this is their game) and start the cycle all over again.... If a SP says "oh that guy XYZ stood me up..." and then posts it in the private SP area... then XYZ goes and makes a new name ABC..... you'd never get ahead of them.....

 

short of Mod tracking IP's and stuff, and banning them. There is a neat add-on to VB that detects and tells the admin when 2 users are on the same IP. It works great, as I used it in the past to catch people making repeat multiple nicknames....... there is very little that can be done I think to stop it....

 

you can also go to escorts-canada and get phone #'s and emails and make direct appointments and do the same thing, without being a member here.......

 

it is unfortunate, it's low, cowardly, and inexcuseable.... but no way to stop it or control/discipline "cerbites" as a result...

 

as emma said, she is working established clientele... this is the way to go obviously, but it's the new SP and the growing ones who get burned.... or touring SP's in a new city.... it's going to happen... and only make things worse for new hobbiests or those who want to TOFTT and get stood up, because the SP assumed they were not serious...

 

When I first got into this jobby, one of the first SP's I saw, on tour, had 4 no shows. In each of the previous 3 cities she had been to before stopping here, she had about 70% no shows... Why? People fearing it's LE? Afraid somebody local in their city would see/hear about it? So many reasons.... bottom line, is no reason for it, in a vast city like Ottawa or the likes.

[p22*** 236]

I went on tour this summer and its a well known fact in the SP community that Ottawa seems to hold the title for no-shows and canceled appointments...

I love beautiful ladies as much as most men ( maybe more) lol, so its a shame that so many choose not to come here because of a reputation...

 

This new years eve I am wishing for a new start in Ottawa, may we all get so many more ladies....

[caveman 147]

So, there have been many comments on how unacceptable no-shows are, and other comments on how to deal with them, and Paige and the mod have confirmed that Ottawa is the no-show capital of at least Canada.

 

However, I don't think we've heard any theories as to why? There must be something that makes Ottawa so much worse than other places.

[otherone 100]

I only play with Eve. just wants to clarify that as I'm also a bonehead.

[mod 135639]

Q: WHY THE LADIES DON'T TELL THE MEMBERS HERE WHO DID THE NO SHOW AND WHY THEY DO NOT ALWAYS POST IN THE SP ONLY AREA ABOUT THIS...

 

A: It's Simple... Most of the guys who would stand a lady up without calling would not hesitate to slander the lady in a discussion board/forum. If the lady told anyone who he was and what he did or got him suspended from cerb for doing this he would probably cause a problem for her.

 

Q: WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN IN OTTAWA SO MUCH?

Well. I don't have an answer but I do have a theory. From talking to a lot of the ladies over the years it seams that many Ottawa ladies do not have a really high level of screening. What I mean is some of the ladies will take bookings from "Private Numbers", "Pay Phones", "Blocked Numbers", etc... Also the ladies sometimes do not call back to confirm the booking so they do not verify the phone numbers.

 

Most of the ladies in other cities require a call back number (valid one that they screen by calling the client right back on and sometimes before the appointment as well just to confirm.

 

The ladies mostly do this for security as it makes sure that if they were ever robbed or hurt by a violent customer them they would have something to give the police and most ladies also make a log of the contact number and time of the appointment so if something was to happen to them the police would find this and have a solid lead.

 

This is also a very good way to prevent no-shows. If the guy wastes the girls time she could put you on any of the SP BLACKLISTS (like we have in the SP ONLY area). If she did not confirm your number however or you used a blocked number she really has nothing to go on... and she will probably have this happen MUCH MORE OFTEN.

 

A guy will think twice before standing up a girl if she has his REAL contact number!

 

She can also call his phone and say "Where are you we had a date?" some sp's have even been known to keep calling and calling a few times each hour until someone picks up (This could land people in trouble and I would never suggest a SP do this - it has happened however as I have heard of this happening more then once).

On the FLIP SIDE

Unfortunately giving out real contact info has more risk and some guys just are not willing to take that chance... It's very rare and I would hope it never happens with anyone who has been recommended here for sure but the bait and switch people I would suspect that they would have no problem causing an issue if you left after realizing you were bait and switched.

 

Some guys have been black mailed by BAD SP's ... I actually met a woman a number of years ago when I was programming software for adult pay-per-minute chat who was a EX-escort and went to jail for blackmailing a customer. It was a well known public figure and she and some of her friends blackmailed him. I was told the whole story and was rather disgusted but she actually said a number of times that she was very asshamed for doing this and she deserved to go to jail (she was remorceful and sorry she did it but still it did happen). So I can see why certain people would not want this to happen.

 

What could be done that would help I think?

A thrid pary screening system has too much liability to charge a per-call screening as you could be living off the avails but a licensed software program that is automated and is "Licenced per month" would be legal.

 

I tossed the idea of putting something together like this but I am way to busy to do this right now myself and everyone here is way too busy as well with everything else we have going on but it would be a good project for any of you PHP guys as a open source software system called Asterisk can do not of this and with a little PHP code this could easily be done (Probably in under a week).

 

The idea...

 

1) The guy makes a booking by internet (or) calls and the lady gives him a number to call to verify his phone number and appointment time.

 

The service provider would need to use a webpage or touch tone phone to enter her availability into the system so when he calls to make the appointment it would know if that time is available or not.

 

2) The system gives the guy a PIN code and calls back the guys number right away after the booking is made and confirms the guys number by him entering the 3 digit pin code.

 

3) The computer then calls the SP to inform her of the confirmed booking and verified call back number.

 

4) The computer then calls her 1 hour before the booking to reminder her of the appointment.

 

If for any reason she can not make it she can enter a button on her phone to say she must postpone the meeting by XX minutes/hours/indefinitely

 

5) Then the computer calls the guy with a "Generic Reminder Call" like "This is a reminder that you have a meeting at 3:30pm today if you are still able to attend please confirm your attendance by pressing 1 or if you will be absent today for this meeting please press 2 and you will need to call and reschedule at a later date. if you received this call in error please press 9" (Make the call sound like a recruitment call for a business opportunity seminar or something even)

 

(or) if the lady can not make it the system would say something like "the appointment has been pushed back until XXX would you be able to attend today (press 1) or would you like to cancel (press 2) or would like to reschedule (press 3) and the system could discreetly adjust booking times if necessary between the two people just by this process of "offer/counter offer" for time.

 

4) Once the appointment is confirmed or denied the SP is then called back to tell her that the client has confirmed.

 

5) As a bonus to the lady she can have the system call her at the start of the appointment and then again at the end - so she does not need to keep track of time as a end of appointment reminder and so it appears that an agency is calling to verify that the start of the appointment is going smooth (Some agencies call to see if the lady is secure and does not need a quick escape).

 

It could have lots of possibilities but anyone owning this system other then the lady herself could potentially be considered "living off the avails" as it would be doing pretty much what any agency/receptionist does so in order to do this the developer would not be able to charge a "Per call" fee or a "Monthly Usage" fee easily (without really knowing the legalities) - the only way around it would be to "License" the software usage to them. So it gets complicated and could be a legal mess.

 

But it still would be a GREAT idea ( I think )

[d*mm*y 887]

Very cool the other thing that could be incorporated is sms you could txt someone the pin for the appointment, they either confirm the txt back or call the pin pack, reminders can be sent as txt. An optional MS outlook meeting could be booked, populating your daytimer in outlook and this syncs with most peoples smart phones, anyone with a pop3 email and MS Outlook could use this type of system.

Some online booking systems have a nice booking service that sends you an email 24 hours before the appoinment with the location of the sp with room number and all, I like this system, but you can use any email address and it is left vulnerable to scamers, there is a credit card option but non of the ladies enable it as no one would book. If the credit card option were replaced with the sms txt and pin for credentials I think we would have a winer. Book the lady online with you email (tick the box if it is pop3 with outlook) then enter you cell number the system sends you a txt message with a pin and enter the code on the online booking to verify the booking? Or reply to the txt message. voila a reasonably credentialed solid booking, with a txt escape if the booking needs to be rescheduled or cancelled.

 

 

What could be done that would help I think?

A thrid pary screening system has too much liability to charge a per-call screening as you could be living off the avails but a licensed software program that is automated and is "Licenced per month" would be legal.

 

I tossed the idea of putting something together like this but I am way to busy to do this right now myself and everyone here is way too busy as well with everything else we have going on but it would be a good project for any of you PHP guys as a open source software system called Asterisk can do not of this and with a little PHP code this could easily be done (Probably in under a week).

 

The idea...

 

1) The guy makes a booking by internet (or) calls and the lady gives him a number to call to verify his phone number and appointment time.

 

The service provider would need to use a webpage or touch tone phone to enter her availability into the system so when he calls to make the appointment it would know if that time is available or not.

 

2) The system gives the guy a PIN code and calls back the guys number right away after the booking is made and confirms the guys number by him entering the 3 digit pin code.

 

3) The computer then calls the SP to inform her of the confirmed booking and verified call back number.

 

4) The computer then calls her 1 hour before the booking to reminder her of the appointment.

 

If for any reason she can not make it she can enter a button on her phone to say she must postpone the meeting by XX minutes/hours/indefinitely

 

5) Then the computer calls the guy with a "Generic Reminder Call" like "This is a reminder that you have a meeting at 3:30pm today if you are still able to attend please confirm your attendance by pressing 1 or if you will be absent today for this meeting please press 2 and you will need to call and reschedule at a later date. if you received this call in error please press 9" (Make the call sound like a recruitment call for a business opportunity seminar or something even)

 

(or) if the lady can not make it the system would say something like "the appointment has been pushed back until XXX would you be able to attend today (press 1) or would you like to cancel (press 2) or would like to reschedule (press 3) and the system could discreetly adjust booking times if necessary between the two people just by this process of "offer/counter offer" for time.

 

4) Once the appointment is confirmed or denied the SP is then called back to tell her that the client has confirmed.

 

5) As a bonus to the lady she can have the system call her at the start of the appointment and then again at the end - so she does not need to keep track of time as a end of appointment reminder and so it appears that an agency is calling to verify that the start of the appointment is going smooth (Some agencies call to see if the lady is secure and does not need a quick escape).

 

It could have lots of possibilities but anyone owning this system other then the lady herself could potentially be considered "living off the avails" as it would be doing pretty much what any agency/receptionist does so in order to do this the developer would not be able to charge a "Per call" fee or a "Monthly Usage" fee easily (without really knowing the legalities) - the only way around it would be to "License" the software usage to them. So it gets complicated and could be a legal mess.

 

But it still would be a GREAT idea ( I think )

[d*mm*y 887]

So, there have been many comments on how unacceptable no-shows are, and other comments on how to deal with them, and Paige and the mod have confirmed that Ottawa is the no-show capital of at least Canada.

 

However, I don't think we've heard any theories as to why? There must be something that makes Ottawa so much worse than other places.

 

When I had to sell stuff to the feds, and other government agencies, it was a dogs breakfast to get a meeting together. We have created an atmosphere of optionality to our meetings by doing it in groups and making the dates and times wishy washy. There are very few mandatory meetings and very few meetings that anchor the schedule. I think Ottawa has a culture that encourages people to abandon meetings. We are not all government employees but the attitude has a trickle down effect.

 

Also in other cities I think there are more professional agencies, we do not have many professional ones here rather than competing in a spirit of cooperation, the agencies here think that if someone is hurting it helps them (there could be nothing further from the truth) One thing that true business people know is that the rising tied raises all ships, there is a reason we all sit around at night and grab a bag of chips and not a bag of pork rhines. It has created an environment were independents can flourish, and agencies are not trusted because of bait and switch and unreliable encounters. With Independents comes an element of appointment roulette, with several back and forth to get to the happy day and time.

[PistolPete 61421]

When a touring lady comes into town, She get's my CERB handle,my email address and I phone her from my cell, she now has my number, I call even if it is to Vancouver/Halifax/Toronto, the little long distance charges means squat to me.

 

I certainly do or did not want complicate this matter with more verification for dates, simply wanted to be known that we (Ottawa and Alley) had an issue.

 

I think the CERBITES that pulled the stunt had any balls, they would come clean, and tell her why, and copy MOD if needed.

 

Is that to hard to ask. Furthermore, yes I had been left holding the bag with SP's...but you know what...an explanation was given to me as to why.

 

That in itself, is the key issue, I do understand if you were in a vehicle accident, kid sick,had no money,got scared had cold feet, but to simply NOT send anything is simply-RUDE.

[whatsup 11893]

PistolPete I will agree that circumstances do come up that you will have to cancel the appointment. The "had no money" one is not appropriate though, if one has no money they should not make an appointment.

 

The idiots that are doing this to the SP's well they are just F-in idiots.

 

To have a cerb handle is a privledge and to have someone abuse it is a negative reflection to us all. Shame on them.

[PistolPete 61421]

How about did not have enough $ , don't worry I've heard that one, because they book, they forget the rates..of course back out, or did get another SP at a lesser rate than originally booked with, and pull a no show with the lady at the higher rate...hence my comment "had no money"

[Seymour 3970]

Two days after the thread was started, there isn't any confirmation that the individuals that pulled the no show had to do so due to circumstances outside their control.

 

Stuff does happen and responsible people will call to advise of a cancellation or advise of being late, but this reeks of spontaneous human combustion.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_human_combustion

 

Making an appointment, confirming and then not calling back to advise of a late arrival, provide an explanation and an apology, that's just irresponsible and rude. One should not be making appointments if there is a chance you will need to back out.

 

Ladies - take some consolation in the fact these types are the minority, the rest of us are more organized, respectful, courteous, handsome and fun.

[Guest i***k***]

Did you guys actually think they would advertise the fact they no-showed? :) Especially after everyone pretty much piled on this thread.

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[Seymour 3970]

If they truly had a life or death situation prevent them from fulfilling a commitment, then one would think that they would want to redeem themselves by at least saying something.

[Akhenaton 221]

Lol having worked with the feds as well, I can tell you some compnaies are also VERY annoying, and will not let the person off the hook until they HAVE a meeting, thus many feds take the booking, and cancel later, so I guess as you said the culture has been bread by both sides of the coin, overzealous sales reps and flooded poeple who feel they are not respected so they don't respect the other guy.

 

Again, I would say the issue is like of respect and civility. Few people would not show to a dentist, doctor lawyer or other professionals meeting because they could be "black listed" (same in the reverse, any professional not showing up would find their client base shrinking very rapidly..), I guess that's what needs to change.

 

Mod's system has great benefits, and possibilities (the call thing at the end of teh appointment would really tick me off specially if you are still "in action" for whatever reason, but again it is a possiblility)

 

I think Ottawa has a culture that encourages people to abandon meetings. We are not all government employees but the attitude has a trickle down effect.

 

[Cowboy kenny 50799]

Did you guys actually think they would advertise the fact they no-showed? :) Especially after everyone pretty much piled on this thread.

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Sure it might be to much to expect them to man up and come clean here but at the very least they should follow up and applogize to the SPs they stood up. You have to be an adult to join this board right ? Then they should act like one as well. This no show shite is childish and irresponsible.

[Guest i***k***]

Sure it might be to much to expect them to man up and come clean here but at the very least they should follow up and applogize to the SPs they stood up. You have to be an adult to join this board right ? Then they should act like one as well. This no show shite is childish and irresponsible.

I agree they should follow up with the SP.

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[esoterica 624]

Cancelling and no-shows are separate issues. Cancellations, with apologies, if not done too often - shit happens. It happens on both sides.

 

No-shows. That's plain rude and inexcusable. A flat tire or a sick kid - well, an apology after is mandatory.

 

I am a firm believer that people should be educated. No software, booking system, or manual method will work for the real jerks. The only thing which may work is a verified phone number - so SMS or calls can be exchanged. If you can't afford a PAYGO hobby phone if you won't use your own cell phone - you should not be hobbying.

[Guest f***2f***]

There could be another problem here boys. i've been trying to call her to confirm an appointment and her voice mail is full. How do you call to cancel or let her know that you can't make it if she's busy and not answering and her voice mail is full?? (and her response to your initial email enquiry is "Don't respond to this email')

 

I guess you can keep calling hoping that she will pick up in between appointments but I for one don't have the time with family and such around it's tough to keep slipping away to try and "get lucky."

 

I've had to regrettably email and pm her that i can't get ahold of her....so in my books I can't confirm so won't be there...it's not a no show or a cancellation...it's an inability to communicate...maybe a better system is needed all round.:?:

[Cowboy kenny 50799]

Boner, your in the clear. First off you never confirmed, so she shouldn't assume you're booked in. Secondly you've done your best to contact her by phone, not your fault her v-mail is full; by pm and email, and even here in this thread.

 

As we've all pretty much agreed on , cancellations and reshedules are a fact of business and they do happen but should not ever be confused with No-shows.

[Kubrickfan 12836]

I'm coming a bit late to this thread, but I know that no shows can be very deflating to the ladies, especially those that are visiting. I recall when Charlotte Sinclair was in Ottawa a few months ago that she had a couple no shows/last minute cancellations, including one that was I think a 4 hour dinner date. Our visit together was as positive and pleasant as always, but you could see in her eyes that it hurt ... that's a TON of money.

 

The couple times I have had to cancel over the last 18 months was always with at least 18-24 hours notice and always only for an extremely good reason. This is not like cancelling your hotel room at the Marriott.

[bjqueen-eve 100]

I guess I have been lucky so far, but I haven't really experienced alot of no shows. (knock on wood) I think to this date I have had two. The really funny thing is with everyone talking about ottawa being the no-show capital I have found most to be very conciderate. Only two no-shows, but many cancelations.

Having been treated respectfull by most, I in turn would like to offer the same respect back. The issue with this would be my own rules about calling customers numbers back. I know that discreation is a very big issue with many. I wouldn't want to be the one that puts extra stress on your life. So on the occasion that I need to cancel how do I do it besides sending a pm. Most of the time a client is already on thier way and wouldn't recieve the pm in time.

I could see how a sp could be blamed for a no-show, when in fact an emergency ...... came up and had no means of contact.

This would be the same issue when it comes to blocked numbers.

[d*mm*y 887]

I guess I have been lucky so far, but I haven't really experienced alot of no shows. (knock on wood) I think to this date I have had two. The really funny thing is with everyone talking about ottawa being the no-show capital I have found most to be very conciderate. Only two no-shows, but many cancelations.

Having been treated respectfull by most, I in turn would like to offer the same respect back. The issue with this would be my own rules about calling customers numbers back. I know that discreation is a very big issue with many. I wouldn't want to be the one that puts extra stress on your life. So on the occasion that I need to cancel how do I do it besides sending a pm. Most of the time a client is already on thier way and wouldn't recieve the pm in time.

I could see how a sp could be blamed for a no-show, when in fact an emergency ...... came up and had no means of contact.

This would be the same issue when it comes to blocked numbers.

 

For me if it is close to the appointment time a txt msg works well. You should at least have a phone number for them. And a simple note "sorry I have to cancel the 10 o'clock" should not cause to much grief?

[ekimout 188]

I guess I have been lucky so far, but I haven't really experienced alot of no shows. (knock on wood) I think to this date I have had two. The really funny thing is with everyone talking about ottawa being the no-show capital I have found most to be very conciderate. Only two no-shows, but many cancelations.

Having been treated respectfull by most, I in turn would like to offer the same respect back. The issue with this would be my own rules about calling customers numbers back. I know that discreation is a very big issue with many. I wouldn't want to be the one that puts extra stress on your life. So on the occasion that I need to cancel how do I do it besides sending a pm. Most of the time a client is already on thier way and wouldn't recieve the pm in time.

I could see how a sp could be blamed for a no-show, when in fact an emergency ...... came up and had no means of contact.

This would be the same issue when it comes to blocked numbers.

 

If the potential client won't provide a call back number then it's his lost time if you have to cancel and have no way of contacting him. I would suggest in that case send him a pm, if he's a cerb member, that way there is some effort you can point to as an attempt to contact him and cancel. The same would apply if an e-mail address was provided. If there is absolutley no way of making contact well he's shit out of luck.