Groupon For SP's

[mrrnice2 157005]

I have been reading it seems way too much about cancellations and no shows for SP's, and it is clear that this is not simply restricted to one city. Is it becoming more common or just that I am noticing it more?

This morning I got my daily email from Groupon and wondered to myself is there a similar thing that an SP could do that would solve the cancellation problem and also help good clients. I am not sure how this would work, and perhaps someone smarter than I could figure it out, but imagine an SP planning a tour whereby she offered perhaps a somewhat better financial deal to the client in return for a guaranteed prepaid donation. Like groupon, if there were not a minimum number of guaranteed appointments then the offer would be cancelled and funds returned.

This would alleviate concerns for the SP who invests time and a great deal of money into airfare and hotels while also it gives the client a financial break. Might it also encourage more SP's to travel, knowing that there is less risk of financial loss?

Maybe a crazy idea, but food for thought for an enterprising woman.

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

You may or may not have read my announcement for new booking protocol for when I am on tour. I think it will limit the amount of no shows and countless hours of responding to ppl questions and concerns, with no booking at the end of it all.

 

I will applying this new new requirement soon. I am just now working out the kinks.

 

It is hard to tell sometimes who really is asking questions, or if they are are merely entertaining themselves with my answers to their questions. Also, it is hard to tell who is booking just to snoop on my location or any other ulterior reasons. Perhaps they get nearvous or shy, but I do not think I should have to pay for that.

 

I hope this helps me with this growing problem of no show's on tour. Also will allow me to be the Elite style of service I prefer to uphold.

 

I thought this was mostly a problem in the east coast, but learning now it is across the board.

[Carrie Moon 68826]

This is a tricky thing.. Most clients prefer cash (as do escorts) and pre-paying with a deposit while possible is not preferable for most clients. Most escorts would love it!

 

Cancellations/no-shows are not limited to touring. They happen often as a part of doing business.. but of course it's more costly when on tour as overhead is much higher.

 

In an ideal world all clients would be able to make a deposit. This would at least reduce the financial loss for no-shows and encourage clients to keep appointments if they've made an investment.

[Phaedrus 209521]

This is a tricky thing.. Most clients prefer cash (as do escorts) and pre-paying with a deposit while possible is not preferable for most clients. Most escorts would love it!

 

It could be done...

 

You could have arrangements whereby someone who wishes to see a visiting SP could drop off a deposit (at a mutually convenient time) with a local SP, who can verify it's good and hand it over to the visiting lady when she arrives.

 

Of course, this would require the SPs to know and trust each other, and would require the client to trust the intermediary as well, and the ladies might want to work out some sort of reciprocal arrangement or compensation or something for the intermediary - but these things aren't impossible. And even if the local SP took a commission on the transaction, the visiting SP would probably still come out ahead if she saved a cancellation or two thereby.

 

And you may even find that the deposit also results in the client deciding that the person he's just met is someone he'd like to get to know better... ;)

[JoyfulC 132299]

How creepy! I just had a dream about this a couple nights back!!

[HarveySpecter 1908]

It could be done...

 

You could have arrangements whereby someone who wishes to see a visiting SP could drop off a deposit (at a mutually convenient time) with a local SP, who can verify it's good and hand it over to the visiting lady when she arrives.

 

Of course, this would require the SPs to know and trust each other, and would require the client to trust the intermediary as well, and the ladies might want to work out some sort of reciprocal arrangement or compensation or something for the intermediary - but these things aren't impossible. And even if the local SP took a commission on the transaction, the visiting SP would probably still come out ahead if she saved a cancellation or two thereby.

 

And you may even find that the deposit also results in the client deciding that the person he's just met is someone he'd like to get to know better... ;)

 

Sounds like a really good idea there especially about the trust part of it too. Plus it eases off on the whole referencing/reservation part of seeking an appointment as the friend in the other city would be a confirmation of the clients. Very much a tactic similar to network television

[LeeRichards 177238]

Cancellation threads do seem to be common and frequent lately I agree ! Pisses me off to read them so I can only imagine how the ladies feel !

 

If there is a lady that I choose I want to meet with ....well then I would prepay a deposit in a heartbeat every time and in full with certain ladies that I know to be honest if it was something that was preferable for the lady and easy to make work for both of us.

[Guest covenant]

Would it be called a "grope-on"

 

Sorry :)

[Secrets of Victoria 7208]

Something like the Grouping would certainly eliminate the countless no shows and last minute cancellations.

 

I evoked a strict protocol with booking due to the amount of no shows that I received (62 in a 3 week span).

What irked me the most was the waste of my time, and the fact that I had to turn away respectfully gentlemen, as my calender was supposedly full.

 

On tour, I will not go without announcing it ahead of time and having guaranteed bookings with pre-pay options. If the client doesn't show, no call or reason, the donation is forfeited. If I cancel for whatever reason, I refund the entire donation happily.

 

It is shamefully that it has come to this, but there are some unscrupulous people out there.

 

Thank you to all of those that adhere to our booking policies, and at least give us notice when life happens.

[SamanthaEvans 166766]

It could be done...

 

You could have arrangements whereby someone who wishes to see a visiting SP could drop off a deposit (at a mutually convenient time) with a local SP, who can verify it's good and hand it over to the visiting lady when she arrives.

 

Of course, this would require the SPs to know and trust each other, and would require the client to trust the intermediary as well, and the ladies might want to work out some sort of reciprocal arrangement or compensation or something for the intermediary - but these things aren't impossible. And even if the local SP took a commission on the transaction, the visiting SP would probably still come out ahead if she saved a cancellation or two thereby.

 

And you may even find that the deposit also results in the client deciding that the person he's just met is someone he'd like to get to know better... ;)

 

 

I like this idea a lot, Phaedrus.

 

I often ask for deposits from new clients when booking weeks or months in advance, as frequently happens when they live out of town. I tell those who aren't willing to pay the deposit that they're welcome to contact me after they arrive in Vancouver to see whether I have time available to meet with them.

 

If other companions were willing to receive deposits for travelling ladies, that could solve quite a few problems for everyone. The drop-off would need to be simple to arrange without compromising the receiving lady's location and without requiring lots of e-mail to make arrangements. But it could be done!

[n1ght0wlbilly 221]

I have had the issue where a SP has borrowed money from me in advance of our next session. It was always more difficult to get them to come over to hold up their end of the bargain. The incentive was gone. I think for the travelling gal, an escrow service of some sort would be a good deal, the client would pay upfront for a discount. The girl would know she has serious clients. The money would be held until the day of the deed, gal gets paid, guy gets laid, and the escrow company makes 5%. Who wants to pitch this on Dragon's Den with me?

[Kate von Katz 49953]

Not to be rude, but if a lady has to borrow money from a client, that's a red flag. You should have known better!

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[n1ght0wlbilly 221]

Yep, your probably right, but it is hard to say 'NO' to a girl I had been seeing exclusively for over a year, the line between client and friend sometimes gets blurred.

[roamingguy 300292]

Well this guy, as a general rule doesn't postpone or cancel, unless life happens. When that situation happens, I deal with it hopefully appropriately.

First case, I had a three hour encounter planned in December with a local (not touring) lady. But my truck broke down, major repair costs, biting right into my funds for the encounter. I contacted the lady, postponing our encounter for three weeks, and as a compensation, usually my encounters with her are three hour, I made our make up encounter to four hours from three.

Second case, a cancelled encounter with a touring lady, just happened recently. I came down with a major bug (and had to cancel at the last minute), three weeks flat on my back, and too sick to see the lady. Not my fault I couldn't make it, but the lady shouldn't be out because of my illness. Especially when I factor in on top of it she tours, and bases her expenses for touring will be offset by seeing clients. And she lets me know ahead of time of her tour dates, (knowing I have to plan ahead of time), before officially announcing her dates. I did what I consider was right, compensated her for her time, even though I couldn't see her, via email money transfer.

At the end of the day, as much as this is an escape for the guys, it is the ladies' livelihood. Cancelling an appointment means no money for the ladies to pay their pay bills, put food on the table etc etc etc. If you make an appointment keep it, or don't make an appointment. And if life happens, try to do the right thing

A rambling

RG

[backrubman 64800]

That's what I discovered when I did a email money transfer recently. But the lady already knew my real name, since I had to be verified. She also got my "civilian" email, but I trust her far more knowing that email than the bank knowing my "lifestyle" email And the lady, at least in my case had a email account devoted to money transfers.

 

I suppose the other thing I forgot to mention about this is that when accepting the transfer if the lady enters any "comment", it is transmitted back to the sender by the bank and banks keeps records of everything :)

Not that will be a problem necessarily but it is recorded somewhere for all time (or a long time).

 

It's also important to send the Interac "password" by some other means than email (text message, telephone call, etc.) just in case the lady uses a hotel Wifi somewhere and gets her email account compromised. The ladies with their own domain name and hosting package are often unaware that their hosting company's POP3 account is totally insecure. Check your email just once on a Wifi network and the email address and password go flying by the airwaves for all to see (or anyone in range listening).

 

And finally Interac is almost instant in most cases, the lady has an email within a minute or two. You can also instantly cancel the transaction up to a second or two before she accepts the transfer which is something the lady needs to be aware of.

 

So I find it a much better way than dealing with cash.

 

At the end of the day, the ladies I see have character and can be trusted (and yes, there was a bit of a learning curve) If email money transfer is the way to go to have an encounter, I'll do so. Fortunately, I'm a guy who

doesn't cancel, and on those rare occasions I do, I try to do the right thing

My morning rambling

RG

 

Couldn't agree more; and I suppose if I can't trust her enough to send her funds this way then it isn't someone I want to spend time with anyways.

[fortunateone 156618]

I know with touring ladies it is more difficult to keep things in check, it is too bad that some people go to the lengths of making fake bookings. Also the ones who do a 'just in case' booking, equally bad. They set a time because they want to see the sp, but really have no idea whether or not they themselves will be free at that time. I would encourage people to not book in advance, but only ask if the lady will put them on a callback list, so she contacts them if she has an opening, then they book if they can. That way she will be free for other legit callers.

 

For myself, I just don't allow prebooked appts. A regular or new client can always call in advance, give an ETA, but they will always always always have to go thru a same day process to confirm. I never rely on anyone saying they 'will' do something as many many many things can happen between Friday and Monday, including the inability to call to cancel.

 

Considering I can still get no shows by guys who call within a half hour of ETA, book the appt at that time, and still not show up for an appt, you can understand what a game it is for some people. I cannot imagine doing a tour without requiring deposits and references. At least with myself, there is no cash outlay to get me to my location, and the time wasted is not more than 30-40 minutes.

[backrubman 64800]

...I would encourage people to not book in advance... For myself, I just don't allow prebooked appts.....

 

Well in my case, if I don't book as far in advance as possible and block it in my calendar as busy time then I run much more of a risk of having something come up at the last minute.

 

So once I have a booking (weeks in advance if possible) I put it in my calendar as a medical appointment that I can not miss :) It really is a medical appointment when you think about it. My staff can see this and they know that time is long since booked and off limits for any last minute shuffling. If I don't approach it that way then because others manage my calendar for me, I could end up with them doing some last minute juggling.

[Secrets of Victoria 7208]

The email bank transfers are great for deposits.

One thing I do advise new sp's is to make sure that you have the transfer well before booking time, as some transactions can take up to 20 minutes to take place.

The gentlemen should also receive a 'comment' from the lady, I say something like, 'thank you for the belated/early birthday/Christmas/anniversary gift, how thoughtful of you' or something along those lines.

It's just courtesy on my part.

 

As for the transfer itself, I got caught with one transfer, where the client was there, we had a marvelous encounter where he even 'tipped' me afterwards, only to find out when I went online, that he canceled the original transfer!

So here I am with a great gratuity of $200, but for almost 7 hours of service! Never again.

 

Always make sure that the transfer is received and notified, otherwise you could be providing for free.

 

If I ever have to cancel when a transfer has been received, I absolutely refund to the client. I will contact them and let them know I'm sending it.

On the other hand, if a client cancels with only a few hours notice and doesn't reschedule, or worse, just fails to show up, no follow up, no messaging or contact at all, you lose your deposit.

After all, I was ready, willing and able to provide the requested service.

All part of my very detailed booking policy I send to everyone that is in the final stages of booking. No misunderstandings then.

 

Trust is a two way street, and I don't know any reputable sp that would consider otherwise. After all, it is our reputation on the line.

We trust the client, and the client has to have faith in the sp.

 

For those gentlemen that have already had a great experience with deposits, continue to do so, as the trust factor is there.

If it seems fishy, dont book. Anything seems out if the ordinary, don't pre-book as it wastes your time as well as ours.

 

I thank those clients of mine that use transactions such as this, just saves in them having to handle bundles of cash all the time.

[backrubman 64800]

The email bank transfers are great for deposits.....As for the transfer itself, I got caught with one transfer, where the client was there, we had a marvelous encounter where he even 'tipped' me afterwards, only to find out when I went online, that he canceled the original transfer!

 

Wow, I am so sorry that happened to you, what a creep! But you are very right, until the transfer is accepted by the receiver, the sender can cancel it, once accepted it cannot be reversed.

 

I love Interac transfers, do you know how many germs are on a typical twenty dollar bill?

 

But here is something to keep in mind also. While the gentleman can not remain anonymous and send you an Interac transfer because his bank will send along his name (as they know it to be which is going to be his real name) with the notification, it is important for the SP to realize that if they do accept the transfer and then subsequently have to refund the money for whatever reason, you, the SP are now the sender and your bank is going to send the client you are refunding your real name.

 

And he just might even work for the bank (or know someone that does) so now he can know not only your real legal name but your address, date of birth, mother's maiden name, social insurance number, your credit history including account balances and what you had for breakfast. And even if he doesn't work for the bank (or know someone that does), with your complete legal name he can dig.

 

Of course no decent gentleman is ever going to do such a digging operation but before you accept that transfer, if there is any possibility you will have to issue a refund then you have to be aware you'll be sending your legal name (the one on your ID you had to show the bank to open the account) and in most cases I see no problem with that as long as you are aware you are doing it.

[Phaedrus 209521]

I love Interac transfers, do you know how many germs are on a typical twenty dollar bill?

I don't worry about this. The cocaine that's also on most bills probably kills them off :)

[Secrets of Victoria 7208]

What I never have to worry about is I use my name anyway, I figure that way I don't have to think about who I am going to be, lol

 

The transfers do work for me, I do use them with trusted clients.

[Carrie Moon 68826]

I have found email money transfer to be easy and discreet.. I can put whatever name I want for the transaction either sent or received.. as obviously can the client... but perhaps it's different with other institutions. I'm with CIBC.

[nmsflyer 145]

When I first started this "hobby" I had thought that a deposit was standard. The first time that I met someone (a pro Dom) I was asked to pay a percent of the total fee using Pay Pal. Worked great but with Pay Pal you do end up with the amount showing up on your credit card statement.