When is it considered overselling

[JoyfulC 132299]

Interesting thread! A couple years back, I went in with a few other ladies on an experiment to get more bang for our buck out of some classified advertising. Having limited line space to work with, there was some debate as to what wording we should use. All I asked is that we not use "upscale" -- no way could I pull that one off!!! ;)

 

I long ago stopped thinking in terms of advertising and think only in terms of connecting with those who are right for me. So my ads tend to be more about them than about me. If anything, I try to downplay anything that might generate a broader appeal because I understand that my demographic is very specific. Trying to sell to everyone would just waste everyone's time and would waste my time as well. Many of us don't need a lot of new business, as we base our bread and butter on repeat business. And that's why so many SPs keep their advertising understated and low-key.

 

However, I'm not at all prepared to state that anyone who "oversells" is a poor SP. She may be still figuring out advertising, or she may be getting some atrocious advice from someone who self-identifies as a "marketing expert." I'm not at all convinced that there's a correlation between the quality of an SPs advertising and her quality of service. Poor advertising strategies are more likely to result in more work for the SP as a consequence than anything else.

[Gentleman11 10508]

A few thoughts from a simple guy....

1. Photos with smiles!

2. Classy over crassy

3. Less is more (photos and script)

4. Well written versus colloquial

5. Background in photos speaks volumes

6. Spelling and punctuation are not lost or dark arts

7. Sincerity

8. When in doubt, repeat number 1, 4 & 7.

Musings from a guy who loves this site the folks who make it so worthwhile.

[futileresistenz 28253]

One of the most interesting threads I've come across in a while. Thank-you to cristycurves for starting it, and to all the posters for some great points.

 

I think one of the most important things for an SP to decide on how to advertise is to know what type of clientele she wishes to attract and then sell her unique personality style and attributes to that market. To me that means knowing yourself and your best traits, and selling us on a dream, conjuring up a fantasy based on that, and we will come, envelopes in hand. :) Tell us who your favourite client is, that you are great with making new clients feel at ease, or whatever it is you are best at or what type(s) of activities you especially cater to.

 

Basic information, like body type, measurements, donations and menu options offered is vital. Presentation can also be a factor. A website hosted in your own domain is a sign that you take pride in your work, and invest in your brand. This is nice, but definitely not required. Additionally, good quality (not necessarily professional) photos are an asset, although this is a personal choice for each provider. Looks **for me** are only a fraction of the whole, and personality, charm, etc. are at least as important, if not much more.

 

I tend to ignore words like "upscale", "vip", "the best there is", and look for clues elsewhere that this is really so (*for me*). Price is not primarily a factor, but rather discerning something about the lady's personality, her demeanour, attentiveness to detail, whether she is friendly and easy to talk to, is unrushed and eager to show you a great time, or *conversely*, more business-like and (HORRORS! ;)) a clock-watcher, for example.

 

To me, honesty in advertising works, and describing yourself as someone that you aren't will eventually bite you in the back. Luckily, if you are booking a lady on CERB and do a bit of research beforehand, and checking out any recos, the chances are very good that you will have an absolutely great time and be happy with the choice you made. :)

 

Happy hobbying!

[Chanel Reign 28097]

A few thoughts from a simple guy....

1. Photos with smiles!

2. Classy over crassy

3. Less is more (photos and script)

4. Well written versus colloquial

5. Background in photos speaks volumes

6. Spelling and punctuation are not lost or dark arts

7. Sincerity

8. When in doubt, repeat number 1, 4 & 7.

Musings from a guy who loves this site the folks who make it so worthwhile.

 

After reading this thread I must say it is making me rethink.

 

The majority of photos I take, I do myself. It is difficult for me to set up a shoot for me with a friend for a myriad of reasons. So what you see is what you get. I also don't want a the professional cost, as much as I would like to.

 

I have fun taking my pics (and others). The planning, the ever loving freakin' timer, is something peeking out that shouldn't, is that the dog licking his winky in the background?

 

Do I crop? You bet! Do I airbrush? Not at all. Do I like to decorate or tweak some of my shots? Yes! It's fun and I enjoy playing with graphics and images, my web page here and my web site.

 

Do I represent myself accurately? I thought so. Now I'm not so sure.

 

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Spelling and clarity are 2 of my buttons. Especially spelling. Grammar, not so much. But looking at it from the other side of the fence; if I read an ad that was full of misspellings and touting how they are "the best" or some such, I would take a pass. Obviously no thought was put into the ad and comes off crass and scripted.

 

This, of course, does NOT apply to folks whose first language is not English. AAMOF I give kudos to those that have a difficult time accurately communicating in another language. From experience, that is very difficult.

 

I am not perfect, I make tons of spelling errors myself. But I correct them; if I didn't it would bug me.

[Guest]

Gentleman11, I would have to disagree with rule number 4. Why? If it was a business selling products I would have to agree with you 100%. Since escorts are selling a personal service I think that we should sound familiar in our writing. In my opinion it shows the escorts personality and shows how friendly he/she is. A well written piece is great but can come off a bit cold if it is written in formal style. It is not like we are writing a thesis about Canadian history.

 

I'm bad at spelling and grammar. That's why I continue to write all the time. Practice make perfect. I have no problems with anyone pointing out anything I have done wrong. I don't sweat the small stuff. Opps, fix it and move on.

 

Being on the internet have upped the service bar for escorts. We are expected to do many extra things that are now considered part of the service. For example taking pictures and writing a website. There is nothing wrong with striving for excellence. It come to a point where the efforts have to be appreciated, tho. It has change from just placing and add in the Ottawa Sun.

 

Irregardless if the escort is just using cerb to post her adds and if her pics are not professional, it is still an effort being put forward. One person can not make everyone happy. So just do you and make yourself happy and use the law of attraction to your benefit.

[fortunateone 156618]

Gentleman11, I would have to disagree with rule number 4. Why? If it was a business selling products I would have to agree with you 100%. Since escorts are selling a personal service I think that we should sound familiar in our writing. In my opinion it shows the escorts personality and shows how friendly he/she is. A well written piece is great but can come off a bit cold if it is written in formal style. It is not like we are writing a thesis about Canadian history.

 

I'm bad at spelling and grammar. That's why I continue to write all the time. Practice make perfect. I have no problems with anyone pointing out anything I have done wrong. I don't sweat the small stuff. Opps, fix it and move on.

 

Being on the internet have upped the service bar for escorts. We are expected to do many extra things that are now considered part of the service. For example taking pictures and writing a website. There is nothing wrong with striving for excellence. It come to a point where the efforts have to be appreciated, tho. It has change from just placing and add in the Ottawa Sun.

 

Irregardless if the escort is just using cerb to post her adds and if her pics are not professional, it is still an effort being put forward. One person can not make everyone happy. So just do you and make yourself happy and use the law of attraction to your benefit.

 

 

I was thinking by #4 maybe he means that the sp ad, in they way you also describe here, has made the effort to fix the spelling, grammar, punctuation, and/or to ensure that what she is trying to say is being said. colloquial might refer to using a lot of slang and short cuts. If a guy was looking for a professional type of sp (by that term I mean someone who cares about good customer service, and more), he would ignore any ads written in text speak: r, u, cum, gr8, etc, and a ton of spelling errors, not just a few typos. If an ad is only 8 sentences or statements long, how much time can it take to fix it up.

 

It is just putting your best foot forward, it is the very first impression you make. For clients who don't really care about these little details, it won't matter that the sp takes this time and effort. But for the other half of the potential clients out there, it makes a difference and it might mean they call the sp, so increasing its effectiveness.

 

Here is an excerpt from an ad posted on another site. I have actually fixed the spelling errors because I can't remember them, but the entire ad was a mess:

 

"Collage student in need of help to pay for school intuition."

 

It may not be a surprise to anyone that the same advertiser used fake pics, spelled out their phone # so it wouldn't be found to match to other ads, multiple names and set up multiple accounts when the prior accounts got blocked for various rule violations.

 

So many ads have so many clues that many savvy clients learn by trial and error. A great sp needs to take care that her presentation doesn't get her lumped into the 'avoid these ones' piles that good clients make on first impressions based on their ads.

[Kubrickfan 12836]

Cristy -- late to the thread as usual, but just a few basic points:

 

1. Write your own copy and make it personal so that the reader can get to know you a bit. Something that makes me feel like I know you a bit even though we have never met.

 

2. Good photos .. from what I have seen, that should not be a problem for you (smile).

 

3. Frame it all in a really sharp website ... there are many of those here, but one of my favorites is Charlotte Sinclair's. She has done web designing for others as well including, I believe, French Kiss Society in Montreal.

 

Its really no harder than that.

 

Also, for me, its no so much about a "fantasy" (although I guess that depends on what your definition of a fantasy is) as it is about meeting an interesting, sexy person.

[CristyCurves 169032]

Cristy -- late to the thread as usual, but just a few basic points:

 

1. Write your own copy and make it personal so that the reader can get to know you a bit. Something that makes me feel like I know you a bit even though we have never met.

 

2. Good photos .. from what I have seen, that should not be a problem for you (smile).

 

3. Frame it all in a really sharp website ... there are many of those here, but one of my favorites is Charlotte Sinclair's. She has done web designing for others as well including, I believe, French Kiss Society in Montreal.

 

Its really no harder than that.

 

Also, for me, its no so much about a "fantasy" (although I guess that depends on what your definition of a fantasy is) as it is about meeting an interesting, sexy person.

 

 

Thank you,I agree with some of the points made,peachy's post,yours,but I think I like to keep things rather basic,as I am, and put all my efforts into my service not my advertising,it seems to be working.I am not at the top ,nor the bottom,just comfortable,as I am not a traveller,nor full time,I am not prepared to change yet.I made this post because I get some asking why I don't do pro pics,have a domain name,pro webpage,but I also get alot of complements on what I do now,so if what I am doing is working, do I really need to change it?I'm happy!

[SamanthaEvans 166767]

I'm coming to this thread very late, I know, but it's such a good discussion and I want to take part in it.

 

I think that every companion needs to think very seriously and carefully about her ideal imaginary client. How old is he? How does he spend his time, working and recreationally? What is he interested in, in broad terms--such as sports, or politics, or the outdoors? What kinds of things might he want to experience in an encounter? In what ways does she see herself as being an ideal companion for him?

 

The better we identify these qualities in ourselves and in our prospective clientele, the better we can focus our advertising, website, correspondence and forum posts. And always remember that everything you say, when speaking as an SP online, is advertising!

[Chanel Reign 28097]

I'm coming to this thread very late, I know, but it's such a good discussion and I want to take part in it.

 

I think that every companion needs to think very seriously and carefully about her ideal imaginary client. How old is he? How does he spend his time, working and recreationally? What is he interested in, in broad terms--such as sports, or politics, or the outdoors? What kinds of things might he want to experience in an encounter? In what ways does she see herself as being an ideal companion for him?

 

The better we identify these qualities in ourselves and in our prospective clientele, the better we can focus our advertising, website, correspondence and forum posts. And always remember that everything you say, when speaking as an SP online, is advertising!

 

This is how I approached becoming an SP. I thought about who I am and what I can bring to a Client besides the obvious.

 

I took the easy route and decided that I would just be me. I am a social butterfly, I love people and I have a nurture aspect to my personality. I am the same person a Gent sees, as everybody else in my life does. I am not Chanel and xxxxxxx, I am one and the same.

 

These things have brought a "type" of Client that is indeed who I treasure, and who have, in a lot of cases become regular playmates I so enjoy seeing.

 

I do get playdates that are completely out of my demographic and those are usually the 30's crowd that is curious about older women, more comfortable trying new activities with her, whatever the reason...

 

I also get first timers...and this is where my skills at making people feel comfortable really work. You can almost see the awkwardness and nervousness shrug off; and when that happens it makes me very happy and that I have been a good Ambassador for the sex industry.

[VictoriaJolie 64127]

I tend to take a lot of that with a grain of salt. I look for a correspondence between the descriptors and what I read in recos.

 

The only thing is not to overdo. Make sure you feel that the descriptors capture who you feel you are. Also, make sure there is a correspondence between the terms used and the advert overall. Sometimes you see adverts (not usually on CERB) that use terms like "elite" and "classy" and say that you could take the lady to a business function or elite dinner function, yet the ad is full of grammar and spelling mistakes. I'm not a grammar nazi, but it always makes me think, "nope ... I don't think those words mean what you think they do". The ad is how you've chosen to present yourself, so it can be very important how it's done.

 

Porthos

 

I read the entire tread and must say few things; education does not equal classy or upscale as they are many many people that have high education but could not attend to a bussiness function,a twelve courses dinner as they don't understand what well manner mean and have an hard time functionning socially.

Also they are quite few people that own a phd/university degree and do not know when it is time to stay quiet as they are stepping in a field they don't know.

 

I personally make grammar and spelling mistakes from time to time but my first language is french.Does it mean i oversell?I don't think so..

 

As personal wide knowledge is also a key.I also came accross few people that though that they were upscale,vip has they can write and romance perfectly in papers or on the internet but in fact they are snob.As someone that trully aquire that status would have no problem helping other instead of looking down on others

 

Having higher rates or minimum of hours does not equal either been more upscale then an other...It just mean that you have evaluate your time at that price and leaning sometime to different goals.

 

I always made a point to never say that i had an high education as i have no degre...There is no point for me to lie.

 

To my opinion if you always have to remind people how classy and how the best you are,and also point out how your reviews reflect how great you are not only you are trying to convince yourself but all that surround you.

 

Repeat and return clients is usually were you should have self gratification.

 

VJ

[Cowboy kenny 50799]

When I read an ad I'm looking to get to know the provider...

 

Don't sell me, tell me ( there is a big difference)

 

Be honest, tell me what you want me to know, don't compare yourself to others, this is your time tell me about you.

 

And most importantly....

[Athos 108589]

Victoria, I would very much agree and I hope you didn't take my post as implying that I consider there to be some sort of correspondence between education levels and classiness. I'd also agree that everyone makes spelling and grammar errors. I'm sometimes mortified when I look back and see mistakes I've made.

 

I do think, however, that in advertisements it is important to try and minimize such things, especially if someone is marketing themselves as classy. But again, I agree this has nothing to do with education. Your ads, for example, speak to an elegant, refined, and very sexy lady. I could well imagine anyone wanting you on their arm for an important banquet where making the right impression is critical. That's not just about spelling and grammar, but the whole tone of the ad.

 

In lots of cases, however, there does seem to be a very real correlation in this biz between lots of spelling and grammar errors and ads whose tone is, to put it politely, anything but classy. How we communicate says something about who we are.

 

Finally, and I suppose this is a peeve of mine, I think we excuse bad communication skills too easily. Again, this isn't about education. I know university grads who are atrocious writers and poor spellers. I fight with my kids, sho shrug and say "I'm just not good at spelling". I also know people without high school education who can write very well. My own parents didn't have much in the way of education, but they could spell. They knew their three Rs. It's puzzling, that in a world of spell checks, online dictionaries and so many aids, that people just don't seem to think it's important. to be honest, I find it sad.

 

This last comment is general in nature, and I want to emphasize that it is not directed at anyone, and certainly not at you Victoria. I think your post is spot on!

 

Porthos

[Secrets of Victoria 7208]

 

I read the entire tread and must say few things; education does not equal classy or upscale as they are many many people that have high education but could not attend to a bussiness function,a twelve courses dinner as they don't understand what well manner mean and have an hard time functionning socially.

Also they are quite few people that own a phd/university degree and do not know when it is time to stay quiet as they are stepping in a field they don't know.

 

I personally make grammar and spelling mistakes from time to time but my first language is french.Does it mean i oversell?I don't think so..

 

As personal wide knowledge is also a key.I also came accross few people that though that they were upscale,vip has they can write and romance perfectly in papers or on the internet but in fact they are snob.As someone that trully aquire that status would have no problem helping other instead of looking down on others

 

Having higher rates or minimum of hours does not equal either been more upscale then an other...It just mean that you have evaluate your time at that price and leaning sometime to different goals.

 

I always made a point to never say that i had an high education as i have no degre...There is no point for me to lie.

 

To my opinion if you always have to remind people how classy and how the best you are,and also point out how your reviews reflect how great you are not only you are trying to convince yourself but all that surround you.

 

Repeat and return clients is usually were you should have self gratification.

 

VJ

very well said! I agree fully on this.

Education, or lack thereof, does not warrant upscale/elite or otherwise.

It is how you conduct yourself, how you portray yourself and how others see you that determine if you are 'upscale' or not.

 

We are all individual, and I am glad that we are, it ads variety to this wonderful group of ladies.

All of our websites, ads, profile pages are very different from each other,and how we choose to word those pages and illustrate them is very unique.

 

If we all followed one set of parameters, it would be very boring indeed.

 

I, for one, am glad that we are all different and advertise ourselves differently, its shows our true personalities and uniqueness.

[VictoriaJolie 64127]

Victoria, I would very much agree and I hope you didn't take my post as implying that I consider there to be some sort of correspondence between education levels and classiness. I'd also agree that everyone makes spelling and grammar errors. I'm sometimes mortified when I look back and see mistakes I've made.

 

I do think, however, that in advertisements it is important to try and minimize such things, especially if someone is marketing themselves as classy. But again, I agree this has nothing to do with education. Your ads, for example, speak to an elegant, refined, and very sexy lady. I could well imagine anyone wanting you on their arm for an important banquet where making the right impression is critical. That's not just about spelling and grammar, but the whole tone of the ad.

 

In lots of cases, however, there does seem to be a very real correlation in this biz between lots of spelling and grammar errors and ads whose tone is, to put it politely, anything but classy. How we communicate says something about who we are.

 

Finally, and I suppose this is a peeve of mine, I think we excuse bad communication skills too easily. Again, this isn't about education. I know university grads who are atrocious writers and poor spellers. I fight with my kids, sho shrug and say "I'm just not good at spelling". I also know people without high school education who can write very well. My own parents didn't have much in the way of education, but they could spell. They knew their three Rs. It's puzzling, that in a world of spell checks, online dictionaries and so many aids, that people just don't seem to think it's important. to be honest, I find it sad.

 

This last comment is general in nature, and I want to emphasize that it is not directed at anyone, and certainly not at you Victoria. I think your post is spot on!

 

Porthos

 

No i didn't take personally but couldn't help to write about as i know it is a minus to be somehow in my situation as the first thing i get strike for is my writting yet in all canada i have seen people where it is the mother language and do mistake i can see myself..I have struggle the last few years to improve i am self aware of it and have take a long time to modify my site with the help of many ladies and clients(big thank you to all of you)

 

Using different word to qualify yourself is an advertising tool to my personal opinion...When one want to know more about me they take time to go to my website and then judge

xxVJ

[O'Cahla 4352]

As is the case in any venue that introduces a number of people with different mother tongues, there are bound to be typos and minor miscues in this fine forum. What we SHOULD be doing is looking beyond any mistakes to find the true meaning of what is being said. The main object should be to tell prospective clients all you are and have to offer and for them to decide if you are the person that they are seeking. There should be truth and honesty from both sides, and thus no, shall we say, confusion. If everyone knows what is offered and what is expected, this could be a perfect world of pleasure beyond our wildest dreams.

[LeeRichards 177238]

No i didn't take personally but couldn't help to write about as i know it is a minus to be somehow in my situation as the first thing i get strike for is my writting yet in all canada i have seen people where it is the mother language and do mistake i can see myself..I have struggle the last few years to improve i am self aware of it and have take a long time to modify my site with the help of many ladies and clients(big thank you to all of you)

 

Using different word to qualify yourself is an advertising tool to my personal opinion...When one want to know more about me they take time to go to my website and then judge

xxVJ

 

Actually VJ, I feel you do remarkably well with your ads ! Yourself, Keissy and Chrystal for instance because I have met you all......all have really great ads with very very few "translation" faux pas considering the amount that you all have to say and tell us about yourself .... and what you are looking for in your ads. Your ads Vic are awesome, very very nicely put together in every way, just keep doing what you are doing IMO and I commend you.

 

I have actually thought about it and put the shoe on the other foot and wondered how I would do trying to cater to a French clientele, fight that language barrior and realized quite frankly that I would suck at it ! ;)

[O'Cahla 4352]

I agree totally with LR. Most of you Ladies do a spectacular job with your word-craft.

[Athos 108589]

Actually VJ, I feel you do remarkably well with your ads ! Yourself, Keissy and Chrystal for instance because I have met you all......all have really great ads with very very few "translation" faux pas considering the amount that you all have to say and tell us about yourself .... and what you are looking for in your ads. Your ads Vic are awesome, very very nicely put together in every way, just keep doing what you are doing IMO and I commend you.

 

I have actually thought about it and put the shoe on the other foot and wondered how I would do trying to cater to a French clientele, fight that language barrior and realized quite frankly that I would suck at it ! ;)

 

 

I absolutely agree as well.

 

I know full well that I could not possibly communicate in French as well as Victoria and others do in English. I remember going to a restaurant in Lisbon once, and discovered that the waitress spoke 6 languages fluently, and that it was expected that she be able to do this for the job. It left me thinking that North Americans are pretty arrogant about feeling that English is all we need to make our way in the world.

[Secrets of Victoria 7208]

hi Porthos,

I like this thread, I think that it says a lot about the ladies on here.

I, for one, do try to pay attention to what I place in my ads.

I enjoy looking at other peoples ads/posts/threads/websites. I think that there is certainly some very nicely placed items.

 

There is a difference between high class/elite/classy/etc, but that, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder.

 

I can be mild and sweet, or wild and crazy. It all depends on the illusion that the participant wants when they are with me.

All women have class, some more than otheres, but that is what makes us genuinely unique.

 

I commend the women that English is not their first language, and the fact that they take the time to place their info in English, kudos to that.

 

English is one of the hardest languages to learn, it was not my first language, and won't be my last. I found English difficult to learn and I can certainly understand what some go through placing their info.

 

 

Anyone that access someones info, has to take into consideration what they themselves are looking for.

If you find the lady inviting/intriguing, ask for more info.

 

I value all the info that I receive on this site, and welcome any comments to me, wholeheartedly no matter whether they be good or bad.

 

Thank you for the very kind words.

 

Victoria

[Carrie Moon 68826]

I don't have an issue with someone using the words classy, elite or upscale... but I sure roll my eyes when someone claims to be 'the best'.

 

Look at the uproar recenty over who was the hottest man Ryan Gosling vs Bradley Cooper. It was ridiculous how many people got involved in the debate.. which is all to say that 'the best' is completely relative. No one in their right mind claims it.

 

I always keep it simple.. I leave the adjectives to others.. because after all.. they are all relative to the beholder.

[VictoriaJolie 64127]

Ah dammit i cannot correct my rep comment..So true:icon_rolleyes:

[Carrie Moon 68826]

Ah dammit i cannot correct my rep comment..So true:icon_rolleyes:

 

lol... your english is still better than any of my other languages. I can only swear in a few of them and spout naughty words.. but not write or carry on a conversation :)

[1963Kennedy 10698]

1. I like a clue as to age so I can be age appropriate, ie: early 30's

2. hair colour is important to me

3. height and weight

4. what part of town

5. services and rates (if no web site)

6. I do not mind reminders for hygiene, politeness, etc

7. numerous good comments already

[Gabriella Laurence 301887]

I don't have an issue with someone using the words classy, elite or upscale... but I sure roll my eyes when someone claims to be 'the best'.

Although I generally agree with the above I have to be 100% honest and admit that I sometimes 'roll my eyes' when

I feel like certain words are being misused due to a total lack of consistency between the elements (ads, actual

language used, posts, pictures, website, overall presentation, ect.).

 

For example, when a lady chooses to call herself a 'classy upscale elite courtesan' and addresses her audience in the

'hey boys cum c me u will not regret it i have no restrictions' manner, focuses on 15 minutes specials, goes on car dates, has grainy amateur pictures taken with a blackberry and all you see in the background are clothes on the floor and beer cans on the night stand next to an ashtray full of cigarette butts... well I have to say that none of it makes sense to me and this is when I roll my eyes and ask myself if I missed something.

 

Yes, it is up to each and everyone of us to advertise ourselves in the way we desire and see fit but I also believe consistency and correlation should play an honest part in the marketing process.