Cumquat 494 Report post Posted January 8, 2009 (edited) .........- Edited August 20, 2009 by Cumquat - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
E.D. man 691 Report post Posted January 8, 2009 Bbbj are great and helps the sp reputation. and a Spp who does cim I would love to try. I may consider tring 2 of the Sp's i kow who offer this service as fora BBFS. I would have to be a long time client and would consider it at the sp's reuest. But wearing glove is important. But I think an sp plays it safer than the girl you pick up in the bar and go gloveless.:shock: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest i***k*** Report post Posted January 8, 2009 There is absolutely no way I would have BBFS or BB greek with an SP and if I learned one i was seeing did this I would immediately stop calling on her. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest a**m*s Report post Posted January 8, 2009 My god guys... just the thought of unprotected bbfs freaks me out. HIV takes 3 MONTHS after the initial infection to show up on a test, so how on earth could you be sure, even with a clean test? Not to mention there is no real test in Canada for the 2 most common diseases, i.e. herpes and the various strains of hpv. You can get tested for chlamydia, gonorrhea, syphilis, hep b and hiv, but there's others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yabut 1460 Report post Posted January 8, 2009 Bareback service is a deal breaker for sure. If the offer comes out and it has only happened once I think I would politely decline and that would be my last visit to that SP. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PistolPete 61421 Report post Posted January 8, 2009 No thanks to BBFS OR BB greek, but certainly love BBBJ.:wink: There is absolutely no way I would have BBFS or BB greek with an SP and if I learned one i was seeing did this I would immediately stop calling on her. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hunter08 182 Report post Posted January 8, 2009 nothing wrong with the bbbj to get things started but that would be all the sex part would be covered Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d*mm*y 887 Report post Posted January 8, 2009 It is a touchy subject, I am old and remember days when this was not a big deal if the girl was on the pill you were good to go. In High school and University there were all kinds of infections and stories, I was able to dodge those bullets and to this day am not sure how? Now a days I think there is far less transmission of STD's because of the big Aids thing. I would not like to see an sp that offered this however as long as it is not with me the risk is mitigated. If I knew someone was offering it ti would not prevent me from seeing them, I would just make sure I was protected, that is why we call it protection. In recent histroy I have had mysterieses that have had relativly exclusive relationships with me and we have been BB. I am B with my wife and need to keep her saftey in mind as well as my own, if it were just me I am not sure I would be so careful, as I am not convinced of the epidimemic here in Canada. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hellojoe 108 Report post Posted January 8, 2009 BBBJ is great, BBFS I'd be kinda iffy about, BB Greek, not even if they paid me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mik_eottawa 100 Report post Posted January 8, 2009 We all know or should know the stats and risk factors and given the number of clients a SP sees (regulars and new ones and the number of SPs they see), why on earth would one want to put one's health at risk for bareback services? Thats nuts. Get a GF or (gulp) get married and don't stray and hope your partner doesn't either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PistolPete 61421 Report post Posted January 8, 2009 When you visit an SP Do you like and had DFK with her? When you visit an SP do you perform oral sex on her? We all know or should know the stats and risk factors and given the number of clients a SP sees (regulars and new ones and the number of SPs they see), why on earth would one want to put one's health at risk for bareback services? Thats nuts. Get a GF or (gulp) get married and don't stray and hope your partner doesn't either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mik_eottawa 100 Report post Posted January 8, 2009 DFK and DATY no. but that is just me. Everyone has his or her own choice to make. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apex2006 1071 Report post Posted January 8, 2009 I would say not to BBFS. Not a risk I'm willing to take. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickoshadows 937 Report post Posted January 8, 2009 It is a touchy subject, I am old and remember days when this was not a big deal if the girl was on the pill you were good to go. In High school and University there were all kinds of infections and stories, I was able to dodge those bullets and to this day am not sure how? Oh how I miss the 70s. I was a young pup in the Navy then and didn't worry about catching anything. If the tiffy couldn't cure it on board then the next Naval base we hit would have something that would work. Of course you were confined to ship until the tiffy gave you clean bill of health. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buggernot 588 Report post Posted January 9, 2009 Anything offered other than BBBJ would be enough for me to say no way to ever being with that SP. I really hate condoms - but I like living more. I'm well aware that the chances are somewhat remote for a female to pass HIV to a male, but I don't want to end up being that statistical anomaly... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
o*****j***e 136 Report post Posted January 9, 2009 BBFS............Never! BBBJ, I enjoy, but it still has it's risks. My point???? I'm not quite sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Loki318 1631 Report post Posted January 9, 2009 PLS Read ALL of this before you reply with flames LOL It has been said the the human mouth is the dirtiest part of the body; more germs and bugs and disease live there; than any where else, and it is there that disease (any thing for the commom cold to Herpes to AIDS) is most easily transmitted !!! so DATY you put your mouth where you wont put "Roger" and ingest what ever there is there or secreted from there ??? BBBJ she puts her mouth on "Roger" (and "Dick and Tom and Harry) and (if we are lucky ;) ) ingests what ever there is there to cum out prolly doesn't swallow it all, but ya know those presecretions are body fluid too !!! Dont get me wrong here I LOVE DATY almost more than I LOVE BBBJ but would i do them with just any one? HELL NO !! not Dumpys one night stand from the bar, not some street action, not most agency girls (at least the ones I have seen so far) BUT the well recomended independant ladies that you have a chance to "get to know" before you date them, for the most part yes :) Now to the real question BBFS ..... Yes I too am OLD and can remember the 60's 70's and how I made it through is a miricle, I spent some time in some pretty sleasy dives , but this isnt the question either .. Would I DO IT? ... I probably would with any one I would do DATY or BBBJ with if it were on the menu.... would I ask for it NO i respect the individuals beliefs more than that. Consider this Which do you think would be safer? The Lady down the street that winks at most every male in range The one night stand from the Strip bar across town the pick up at the sports pub the agency "wam bam thank you Man" take the money and run to the next guy Street action Or an Indie Escort you have come to know that keeps herself checked and safe .... I Really think that I/we would be as safe with the well respected ladies that post here regularly as I would be with my wife of 28 years, possibly even more so :?: Recomended Reading: The Wisdom of Whores; Bureaucruats, Brothels and the Business of AIDS. by Elizabeth Pisani Ok Flack Jacket secure now :) Loki318 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Loki318 1631 Report post Posted January 9, 2009 PS: Would these SP's feel as safe with me as I would with them ....not any more. I can make a post like this, (above) as I am as I said before old and thus getting to the end of my hobbying years, I have 1 or 2 regulars and a GF and have all but stoped looking for new talent :) Yea I miss the 60's and 70's too Loki318 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
caveman 147 Report post Posted January 9, 2009 It has been said the the human mouth is the dirtiest part of the body; more germs and bugs and disease live there; than any where else, and it is there that disease (any thing for the commom cold to Herpes to AIDS) is most easily transmitted !!! so DATY you put your mouth where you wont put "Roger" and ingest what ever there is there or secreted from there ??? BBBJ she puts her mouth on "Roger" (and "Dick and Tom and Harry) and (if we are lucky ;) ) ingests what ever there is there to cum out prolly doesn't swallow it all, but ya know those presecretions are body fluid too !!! I have no issues with your preferences, Loki, but I just wanted to comment on the disease transmission part...the chances of transmitting an STI through BBBJ or DATY are reasonably low, and that can become "very low" if you observe a few simple precautions. In general, transmission can only happen through blood-to-blood contact, which will generally only happen orally if you have bleeding gums--so the recommendation is not to brush your teeth less than 30-60 minutes prior to the event. While transmission via saliva can theoretically happen, the quantity of saliva would have to be frighteningly large (as in, puddle on the bedsheets large). As for ingestion, the stomach is typically not a very friendly environment for viruses and most bacteria, so that isn't really an issue. There are certainly other scenarios where you can get an STI through DATY or BBBJ, but the probabilities are pretty low for most of them, and there have to be specific circumstances. That's why many people feel comfortable with these services. There's a really good posting on the Toronto board with the subject "BBBJ and the Risks" in the "Health Info" forum...I'd call it recommended reading for anyone who wants more specifics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spud271 47779 Report post Posted January 9, 2009 I would never take the chance of BBFS, there are just too many risks involved with it. BBBJ I don't have any issue with whatsoever. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kyra.Graves 23779 Report post Posted January 9, 2009 I read these threads every so often and question why I even do this job. I do my best to mitigate my risk and hope that my clients do the same, and it disturbs me that some have so little interest in protecting my health. As an SP I do not want to see clients that engage in BBFS with anyone but their SO. I realize they have wives they most likely are fluid bonded too but to engage in BBFS with others is a greater risk than I want to take. I don't think it's fair for a client to make a judgement call that xyz SP is okay because "she only does this with me" and then to put me at risk by engaging in any services with me without letting me know about their high risk lifestyle. I do not wish to engage in BBBJ's with those clients, DATY, LFK, DFK, heck I don't even want to GAD (Greet at Door!) because it's just too risky for me. I know my fellow SP's and many are very professional and I would highly recommend them, I have even had the good fortune to work closely with a few and enjoyed every minute of it. I have also had the misfortune of meeting some that are far from professional and I would definitely not trust with my health. Sadly because we all see the same clients I am to some degree trusting them with my health, because I am trusting you the client with it. So I must trust you the client to be vigilant with using protection and that means using a condom for FS. Since the most likely way an STD is going to be transferred to a male is via intercourse, vaginal or anal, I trust that you use them in order to help to protect me. I don't trust you to use your judgement to determine which ladies are okay to use BBFS with and which are not. Not only are you at a disadvantage when trying to make a decision like that about an SP as you are looking at marketing not the actual girl, so you have no idea if she is a drug user, if she has a SO, if she leads a high risk lifestyle, etc. but plain and simple when in a state of arousal people make bad judgement calls and looking at a girls website is meant to arouse you so you. So forgive me if I don't trust your judgement and don't trust all the ladies in this industry either. Oh and to illustrate the point of why you should not trust the girls here's a little adventure I had last week. I went to the Hassle Free Clinic in Toronto for my reg. appt as that's where I get my blood work done. They have a special womens clinic hours and drop in times along with appointments for the HIV testing. I checked in for my appt. and then sat down near the sign in window. A young girl walks in and I hear her asking for a pelvic and oral swab, she thinks she has an infection. Her throat is white and more important she says it burns when she pee's and she's had some spotting. They say to take a seat and she'll be seen soon. She sits down across from me and in about 5min her phone rings, she answers the call and I don't really hear much I'm playing a game on my phone. Then I hear the words "yes it's $140 for the half" and my ears perk up, I know what that call is about. I can't help myself and I eavesdrop a bit, she actually books the call for later that night, one hour at his downtown hotel. I pretend to have not been paying attention and keep playing my game. They come in and call my name and just as I get up I grab my purse and take a good long look at her face. I smile at her and she returns the friendly smile, I have not seen her face before in person or in a picture. She is pretty and young, I have no idea who she is but I do know I hope I never meet her and that my clients do not as well. She went to work that night even though it takes a week for the STD test results and she was sure that she had contracted one. I mitigate my risk, I hope my clients do the same but I am sure many do not. It is always best to err on the side of caution and get yourself tested regularly, and encourage others to do so. Oh and please guys don't put your SP at risk either, we offer services like BBBJ's assuming that you are not engaging in BBFS with those that are high risk, if you are then by all means please let us know. I have two clients that have the courtesy to let me know they indulge in higher risk activities so we keep all things safe and despite what you may think they actually get great 'mileage'. Yes it's 100% safe (which is what they were looking for) but I trust them a great deal as they are so honest and forthcoming with me so we indulge in some very different activities that I normally would not offer as they were so forthcoming about being fluid bonded with a couple other women. 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gabriella Laurence 301887 Report post Posted January 9, 2009 Great post Kyra! Could not have said it better myself! Thank you! xox Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest i***k*** Report post Posted January 9, 2009 Very well said Kyra! You remind me of another lady here that isn't afraid to share her thoughts openly... That's what makes this forum so great! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emma Alexandra 123367 Report post Posted January 9, 2009 WELL SAID kYRA... kisses, Emma A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yabut 1460 Report post Posted January 9, 2009 Have to agree with Emma thumbs up Kyra for your opinion. So sexy and oh so well spoken. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
