Emma Alexandra 123368 Report post Posted January 16, 2009 It has been my understanding that you could not list what services you do...i mean in doing so are you not admitting you are selling sex? A Lot of us have this on our site... Any money exchanged is simply for time and companionship, and in no way, shape, or form is contracted for any sexual activity. Anything else that may or may not occur is a matter of personal choice between me and my client, both of legal age. I do not know of, or practice any illegal activities and that those who view my website are of adult consenting age (21 and over). This is NOT an offer of prostitution - no fees or tips of any kind will be quoted, negotiated, assessed, or collected in exchange for any sexual conduct. Calling/contacting me constitutes acceptance of these terms. or at least something similar to that. So i'm confused to how you can list things like this: Services Offered Males Stags Massage Safe-GFE CBJ MSOG DFK LFK DATY YMMV I know i'm not taking any chances. Listing things to me is just trouble waiting to happen. Maybe mod or someone out there can enlighten me to the Legality to this? kisses, Emma A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
etasman2000 15994 Report post Posted January 16, 2009 I know i'm not taking any chances. Listing things to me is just trouble waiting to happen. Maybe mod or someone out there can enlighten me to the Legality to this? WANL - we (most of us anyway) are not lawyers. Might be best to take it up with one of *them*. However you should acknowledge that you do visit both sides of the Atlantic and down into US. AFAIK US has far stringent rules governing the exchange of money for sex. IMHO keeping everything vague like you do is prudent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emma Alexandra 123368 Report post Posted January 16, 2009 WANL - we (most of us anyway) are not lawyers. Might be best to take it up with one of *them*. However you should acknowledge that you do visit both sides of the Atlantic and down into US. AFAIK US has far stringent rules governing the exchange of money for sex. IMHO keeping everything vague like you do is prudent. yes things are much different in the united states ....i have talked to a lawyer there about this and he told me any mention of sex is a no no. He told me rules about the phone and emails as well...so out of concern for my safety i wouldn't list anything. The thing is for Canada i though it would be the same..the laws are so weird...some say its OK some say its not.... OK Mod we need your assistance... kisses, Emma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain 160 Report post Posted January 16, 2009 I remember Catharine St. Clair mentioning in another thread how she had discussed this extensively with lawyers, I imagine she would have some much more concrete answers on this subject too... And while I doubt it matters, all those acronyms can stand for so many things, it's not like they are written in Websters dictionary. While clearly understood within the industry what they may mean, it could be debateable, but as you said, why risk it... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Emma Alexandra 123368 Report post Posted January 16, 2009 I remember Catharine St. Clair mentioning in another thread how she had discussed this extensively with lawyers, I imagine she would have some much more concrete answers on this subject too... And while I doubt it matters, all those acronyms can stand for so many things, it's not like they are written in Websters dictionary. While clearly understood within the industry what they may mean, it could be debateable, but as you said, why risk it... i had asked the lawyer about the acronyms and he said "not to kid myself the police know what they mean" ...so in other words and they could be you used against you...thats why i'm so surprised of all the ladies using them. Hopefully Cat will be back soon or the mod and help me figure this out... kisses, Emma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
etasman2000 15994 Report post Posted January 16, 2009 i had asked the lawyer about the acronyms and he said "not to kid myself the police know what they mean"...so in other words and they could be you used against you...thats why i'm so surprised of all the ladies using them. Hopefully Cat will be back soon or the mod and help me figure this out... kisses, Emma I believe that it is accepted within Canada that discussions of sex for money is permitted within the confines of a private space. Based on this assumption we might construe that a website is not public space. There is personal effort required to reach the website. Also that "Yes I'm over 18" button help demarcate private from public space. One supporting website I found: http://www.sexwork.com/montreal/law.html Just my verbiage since IANAL. However still best to talk to a lawyer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mod 135640 Report post Posted January 17, 2009 Let’s start out by saying none of us are lawyers (or at least none of us are admitting to be).... Facts... Prostitution in Canada (If you follow the law) is legal. Prostitution In most of the USA it is not legal (Except for licensed brothels) Public solicitation is illegal in Canada -Includes streets -Includes hotel lobbies or hallways -Includes bars, restaurants, etc... (anywhere other than behind a closed door) Note: Grey areas include cell phone and pay phones as the lines are not encrypted but as far as I know no one has ever been charged for either. Some court cases back in the early 90's (or it may have been late 80's) made it legal for prostitutes to advertise services in newspapers - this is why you find explicit advertising in eye/now magazine and online on websites such as this and escorts-Canada (All media) in the USA they have laws against the promotion of prostitution and is why the guy in Ohio who ran the escort discussion board was charged yesterday... that and he ran some raffle for a free escort date and had some underage girls being promoted on the site as well (all around bad) Keeping or working at a common bawdy house (AKA: Bordello, brothel, whore house, in call location, massage spa offering extras, etc...) any place that is used for the common purpose of prostitution is illegal. For some reason the police usually leave the ladies who work by themselves without any public complaints alone but do go after high traffic locations, publicly signed places such as massage spas and any place that received a public complaint (usually due to drugs or heavy foot traffic in a residential neighborhood). If you advertise that you offer sexual services (even using abbreviations) and doing in calls you are putting yourself at risk but I have not heard of anyone getting charged for a common bawdy house in the last 12+ years who worked by themselves - but that is not to say it could not happen. Out calls to hotels are legal and safe (as long as your DO NOT discuss sex or anything outside of the hotel room - some area's will lure escorts to the lobby of a hotel and bust them for public solicitation so don't get fooled). You are best to always meet a new client at his/her hotel for the first encounter. If you feel a trust and the date goes well then offer them your private info but remember if you use your location as a common place of prostitution you increase your risk of acquiring this charge (so you need to read between the lines here as I cannot give you advise in this matter). Living off the avails (Pimping) is illegal and procuring (enticing people to get involved in prostitution so you can make money off them) is illegal in Canada. So Agencies if not careful can be charged for these. A agency in Canada must work for the ladies and cannot control the ladies in any way. They cannot tell the ladies when to work, how to work and they do not hire and fire them. When you are represented by an agency they are contracted by you (commission) for booking appointments, answer phones for you, placing ads, etc... (same as a band would use a booking agency to book gigs - and paid the same... when they get you a gig they get a commission). If the agency says "year she offers full service for $$$ and will do Greek for $$$$" this could be enough to charge the agency with living off the avails as they are admitting that they make money off of her doing sexual acts. Most of the time agencies do not get charged unless drugs are involved, pimping, violence, threats, forced sex, etc... Drivers can also be charged with living off the avails but I have not heard of anyone actually being convicted as the driver (personally I have not heard of this - someone did tell me a rumor about this happening but it sounded like the driver was also the agency manager and one thing is for sure - the stories get twisted fast in this industry). Technically you pay the driver for driving you but if they do not have a cab license they really have no business driving you to appointments for a payment (would not be a commission) so they could technically be charged with living off the avails. You give your friend gas money and buy him/her dinner for driving you around... well that could be another story. The laws are intended to protect the ladies and to protect the public. Some area's the laws have been known to be twisted around (like the hotel lobby entrapment to get the escort to discuss sex in public - this law was meant to get rid of street prostitution and has been used to entrap legit ladies - usually because of pressure from a municipal government from my understanding). The laws are to get rid of street prostitution and make the public (help protect land owners investments especially in the prostitution areas as the property values hit the ground when the street walkers move in) and it's to help get rid of the BAD people (pimps, violence and drug dealers) plus common brothels are not known for being clean unless inspected by a health and safety governing body (such as the ranches in the USA where the ladies have doctor visits and sti/std tests regularly and the location is under strict heath restrictions for clean environments - last thing you want is to jump into a bed with used sheets ... EWE) One thing I can tell you is that nowhere in Canada is it legal for a in call escort service. No matter what the municipality tells you if they sell you a license for a massage spa or a "escort license" you must understand that this is not a license to have sex or perform sex acts. Municipalities CAN NOT license prostitution but they want to make money off you or force you to leave the city... they sell you a LICENSE and make you believe that you can legally have sex in your location. If you do not have a license they can give you a municipal fine (Like a parking ticket) but if you get caught doing in calls (even with a license) and get charged with the common bawdy house charge than you are facing a criminal record and possibly jail time if they wish to make an example out of you. You best bet is to say "I am not a escort - I am a prostitute who advertises on escort related websites. Does your escort license allow me to perform sex and sexual services to my clients legally at this location?" they will say "No, a escort license allows you to advertise yourself in this city as a escort doing business at this location but you cannot have sex with clients" Your reply would be "Than I am not a escort by your definition as I have sex with my clients as I am a prostitute and your license would make it so I could not perform my job" and they will obviously try to bully you and threaten you as they want your money or want you to leave (Sounds like a pimp eh? - Yeah my thoughts exactly!!!) Anyway... hope that info helps... These are all my understanding of the laws and I am not a lawyer. I cannot offer you advise I can only share what I think is true (my personal opinions) - I would suggest speaking to a criminal lawyer. You will find other threads on the site (Search things like "Legal" and "Lawyer" and "living avails" and "bawdy house" and you will find all sorts of info here. Also read section 210 to 212 of the criminal code of Canada as it has info on prostitution and these matters (and you do not need to be a lawyer to understand them - they are worded well and pretty clear) My Advise: Talk to a real lawyer and don't take advise from people on a escort discussion board.. ;) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
etasman2000 15994 Report post Posted January 17, 2009 My Advise: Talk to a real lawyer and don't take advise from people on a escort discussion board.. ;) Thanks for your insight and the final advice. Way too many people hit the boards for legal advise (including copyright, patent advise) who should just talk to a lawyer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stew 100 Report post Posted January 17, 2009 Normally we respect and tempt each other. A bit disturbitding... smile n nod!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
