Bbfs

[Meg O'Ryan 266444]

There seems to be a new trend on the rise. A very unsafe new trend. Numerous ladies, including myself, have reported an increase in a request for BBFS. These requests are often accompagnied by offers of increased donations or promises of their youth and good looks.

 

Please note that no reputable lady will have intercourse without a condom no matter the offer.

 

It is degrading, dangerous and just plain stupid to be seeking unprotected sex with any stranger! Get yourself into a monogamous relationship if no condom is what you require to get off!

[Athos 108589]

I find it incomprehensible that people would even ask for this.

 

Is there any sense as to the demographic of those requesting this? I've read that young people aren't, in general, taking on board the safe sex message.

 

It also worries me that if people are asking, they may be finding providers somewhere who are willing. All the more reason to stay with reputable and well established ladies. I also hope that ladies immediately put anyone who asks for this on their do not see list.

 

Porthos

[SexxxyRebecca 57990]

There seems to be a new trend on the rise. A very unsafe new trend. Numerous ladies, including myself, have reported an increase in a request for BBFS. These requests are often accompagnied by offers of increased donations or promises of their youth and good looks.

 

Please note that no reputable lady will have intercourse without a condom no matter the offer.

 

It is degrading, dangerous and just plain stupid to be seeking unprotected sex with any stranger! Get yourself into a monogamous relationship if no condom is what you require to get off!

 

I couldnt say better! I just want to add something.. Even if you have the "proof" your clean, doesnt change something... How you be sure that THE girl is clean? ;)

[Cleo Catra 178382]

I couldnt say better! I just want to add something.. Even if you have the "proof" your clean, doesnt change something... How you be sure that THE girl is clean? ;)

 

I love the offer of 'proof'. We're not in the porn business, this means nothing!

 

My answer to these requests, because they almost always come with an offer of more money, is 'There is nothing you can put in my wallet that is worth risking my health. GOODBYE'.

 

I will never, every understand why people ask for this.

[SexxxyRebecca 57990]

I love the offer of 'proof'. We're not in the porn business, this means nothing!

 

My answer to these requests, because they almost always come with an offer of more money, is 'There is nothing you can put in my wallet that is worth risking my health. GOODBYE'.

 

I will never, every understand why people ask for this.

 

Exactly! Im wondering how somebody can doesnt care about his health like that and be that sure he's clean? I dont think those type of people get tested too often.

[LeeRichards 177238]

Non monogamous BBFS - Kinda like making a deal with the Devil I recon :icon_twisted: tsk tsk tsk

 

 

[Boomer 33202]

It always amazes me that you still have to post a thread like this, and seems to me that there should be some form of censure if they can be identified as members here.

[Guest]

I love the offer of 'proof'. We're not in the porn business, this means nothing!

 

My answer to these requests, because they almost always come with an offer of more money, is 'There is nothing you can put in my wallet that is worth risking my health. GOODBYE'.

 

I will never, every understand why people ask for this.

 

 

I couldn't agree more. Every once and a while I get guys who try this out and the answer is always NO. Some people will try anything to get what they want. The best way of avoiding this is telling them that this is not right and not seeing them. There will always be gentlemen out there who respect your rules and your body. So clients like this is not worth it.

[The General 11309]

This is beyond the concept of a thrill, and a crazy risk for everyone. Why or why, some guys think this is even an option to ask, one has to wonder...

 

Ladies, stick to your guns, you are right to tell this guys take a hike and keep on going...

[BarrhavenWoody 10776]

Yikes! I'm glad to hear that the ladies have enough sense to say no.

[Luckyme 41401]

Yikes! I'm glad to hear that the ladies have enough sense to say no.

 

Same here; thumb-ups for all the fine ladies here!

[piano8950 32577]

I'm happy about the ladies' reaction to bbfs requests. If I found out an SP provides this service, it would be an instant turn off, and I would be too concerned about my own safety and the safety of her and her other clients.

[backrubman 64800]

There seems to be a new trend on the rise. A very unsafe new trend. Numerous ladies, including myself, have reported an increase in a request for BBFS. These requests are often accompagnied by offers of increased donations or promises of their youth and good looks.

 

Eeek, here in Canada you say. Sadly this is very much commonly available for very small extra fee in one of the countries I choose to spend a lot of time in. The result is that I dare not have anything to do with any of the ladies in this country, ever, under any circumstances and never have to spite their incredible beauty. The result as you can imagine is that were this is available also is every STD commonly available at no extra charge.

 

To me this is clearly one of the darkest aspects of this business and I truly hope it is very unavailable here.

 

Fortunately we tend to have the attitude that seeing a "professional" CERB lady is safer than any random encounter with a stranger.

 

Interestingly, even in a monogamous relationship (e.g. wife back when it was possible) I have always preferred a condom. I find it doesn't diminish the experience in any way (for me).

[Phaedrus 209521]

Well, we've always known that fools exist. It saddens me to hear that there's more of them around than there used to be.

 

Perhaps there are SPs around that are sufficiently desperate for cash that they'll do BBFS... but really, what price is your life worth? And on the off-chance that any of the guys who request BBFS are reading this... do you seriously think that you're the *only* person that the SP who allows BBFS has done that with? Even if you don't care about what she may get from you, have you stopped to consider the risk you're taking with your own well-being? I'm not sure what the odds on this gamble are, but the price of losing is... high. Very high. Are you prepared to pay it?

 

Having said all that... I suspect this problem will eventually sort itself out.

 

 

Just don't let the foolish take you down with them.

[Gabriella Laurence 301887]

Well, we've always known that fools exist. It saddens me to hear that there's more of them around than there used to be.

 

Perhaps there are SPs around that are sufficiently desperate for cash that they'll do BBFS... but really, what price is your life worth? And on the off-chance that any of the guys who request BBFS are reading this... do you seriously think that you're the *only* person that the SP who allows BBFS has done that with? Even if you don't care about what she may get from you, have you stopped to consider the risk you're taking with your own well-being? I'm not sure what the odds on this gamble are, but the price of losing is... high. Very high. Are you prepared to pay it?

 

Having said all that... I suspect this problem will eventually sort itself out.

Unfortunately, I do not believe this problem will ever go away because there will always be some fools asking for it

and other fools that will always be there to oblige to their requests...

Sad but true!

[roamingguy 300292]

 

RG

[lipualipua 4704]

Phaedrus was, I think, referring to candidates for the Darwin Prize and in some way, the problem could be minimised.

[iluvmuffins 1764]

There seems to be a new trend on the rise. A very unsafe new trend.

 

I agree with everything you've said although I thought this was always being requested of SPs, not just recently. Requests are on the rise?

[Leber 1328]

This is extremely disturbing. Could it be the requester getting the idea from watching porn? I'm not trying to make excuses for anyone. Just wondering.

[fortunateone 156618]

This is extremely disturbing. Could it be the requester getting the idea from watching porn? I'm not trying to make excuses for anyone. Just wondering.

 

 

You may be on the right track.

 

But there are other things: lots of ads with 'no restrictions', or "I'll do anything' or how they party, or are a freak, or you can do anything. You mix in regular ads with those sorts of ads, plus the trend for more and more and more (so bbbj isn't enough, now it has to be cim, and cim isn't enough, so now it has to be swallow. All those things have high risk, but it isn't enough the sp risks her health with bbbj (manageable) but the implication is they won't get work until they also do cim and swallow, so all the ads talk about all that, and greek too).

 

So what is left if half the ads say they'll do anything. And what new ways to find out just how far some sps will go to get that $$? So the guys ask about bbfs, and sure enough, there are enough new sps out there who are clueless enough and also think they are going to lose that appt if they don't agree, just like so many figure they lost business without the bbbjcimsw

 

And then there are the sps out there with lower than average rates, so how do they pump up that rate back up to the average rate in their area? An extra 40 for the bbbj, and another extra 40 for the bbfs.

 

And yes, I have seen more than one sp put that in their ads, and if I thought the ads might be faked to drive her out of business with nuisance calls, well the same info was on her website.

[SamanthaEvans 166767]

I get asked for this fairly often from new clients in their late 50s and 60s. They usually say something about how they haven't been with anyone other than their wife for years, so they're sure that they're completely safe. They tend to think that STIs are risks that younger people need to deal with but since I'm a professional they're sure I'm not carrying anything that they need to worry about. Needless to say, they don't get anywhere with me.

 

I, too, have heard that other women provide bbfs for an extra $50-100. I don't pay any attention to these claims. Why? Well, in my experience, sex is one of the things people lie about all the time! If someone thinks that telling a particular story may help them get what they want, the incentive to lie is strong.

 

I don't offer any uncovered contact, period. If someone questions me about it, I politely inform him that it's my job to keep us both safe and healthy. A syphilis epidemic has been going on in Vancouver since the mid 1990s. If I were to offer bbbjs, I might expose the recipients to syphilis unknowingly, since it can live very happily in a human throat for many months without producing any symptoms. This usually brings that conversation to an end!

[piano8950 32577]

I get asked for this fairly often from new clients in their late 50s and 60s. They usually say something about how they haven't been with anyone other than their wife for years, so they're sure that they're completely safe.

 

I was watching something on CNN a few months ago about the prevalence of unsafe sex in seniors. A lot of them have the "I'm old, who cares?" attitude. They even interviewed a few who admitted to contracting STI/STDs, who after getting treated, still pursue unsafe sex practices.

 

It was kinda funny, then deeply disturbing when I thought about it more. Unsafe sex is never, ever okay.

[Phaedrus 209521]

I get asked for this fairly often from new clients in their late 50s and 60s. They usually say something about how they haven't been with anyone other than their wife for years, so they're sure that they're completely safe. They tend to think that STIs are risks that younger people need to deal with but since I'm a professional they're sure I'm not carrying anything that they need to worry about.

 

I have to say, the level of cognitive dissonance here simply baffles me. Do these people really not understand the inherent contradiction between the assumption they're explicitly making and the request they've just made? I just don't get it. At all.

 

On a different tangent, a question... I'm guessing it's tough to tell over the phone or email, but what sort of age are the people who are requesting BBFS? I'm just wondering, because there's a generation now coming of age who have never really known STIs as a life-shattering disaster; in particular, they missed the era in which an HIV diagnosis was a death sentence. And so I'm wondering if the increase may be a combination of the young, who have never really understood the severity of these things, and the older folks who never had anything much in the way of sex-ed in their youth and got themselves married off before STIs were really talked about much.

 

Pure speculation, of course. A penny for your thoughts (for as long as they're legal tender :) )

[Athos 108589]

I have to say, the level of cognitive dissonance here simply baffles me. Do these people really not understand the inherent contradiction between the assumption they're explicitly making and the request they've just made? I just don't get it. At all.

 

On a different tangent, a question... I'm guessing it's tough to tell over the phone or email, but what sort of age are the people who are requesting BBFS? I'm just wondering, because there's a generation now coming of age who have never really known STIs as a life-shattering disaster; in particular, they missed the era in which an HIV diagnosis was a death sentence. And so I'm wondering if the increase may be a combination of the young, who have never really understood the severity of these things, and the older folks who never had anything much in the way of sex-ed in their youth and got themselves married off before STIs were really talked about much.

 

Pure speculation, of course. A penny for your thoughts (for as long as they're legal tender :) )

 

Having just had the safe sex conversation recently with my teenage son, I wonder about this as well. He said all the right things in our conversation, but he also left me with the distict impression than not many of his friends bothered with such things.

 

Porthos

[fortunateone 156618]

I don't think I would generalize too much with younger guys. I think younger people in general, with casual sex encounters, are not using protection. I think by the time a younger man reaches early 20s and if he chooses to see an sp, he has progressed a bit more.

 

I don't hear very many younger guys expressing that they have issues with condoms, or have any problems going all the way using them. Whereas I will see older guys for massage only sessions (as in HJ finish) because they do feel either real or imagined problems while wearing a condom. Younger men seem to be accustomed to how it feels wrapped up.

 

On the handful of times the topic has come up, it has only ever been older gentlemen who were not born in Canada. A couple of time on the phone call, (who I didn't see), and fewer times in person, during covered sex as it happens, and with the assurance that their now retired regular did it (and consider that on two occasions two different guys mentioned the exact same provider) which I chalked up to lack of education about sexual health provided in her country of origin.