Bbfs

[roamingguy 300292]

But truth be told, and not saying this to minimize what has been said,

the only safe sex is masturbation. Even with condoms, there is a element of risk (they could break, or come off) Even in so called monogamous relationships, you never know for sure for fact if your partner is faithful...there is an element of trust there.

But irrespective of what the client wants, the lady's boundaries must be respected no matter what

RG

[Meg O'Ryan 266444]

I agree with my friend RG. The only form of safe sex is abstinence. Sure, there are activities that are far more risky than others but the fact remains that any interpersonal contact, sexual or not, has a certain amount of risk associated with it.

[Athos 108589]

BBFS has to be off everyone's list. After that, people need to manage their risk level. The key is to be well informed and keep yourself educated, and go for testing reasonably regularly.

 

Each of us has a responsibility to Play safe and play smart.

 

Porthos

[Andee 220524]

I offer BBBJ and in 15 years have never caught anything. I rinse with full strength listerine after every blow job and do not allow CIM. Perhaps I am taking a risk, but since BBBJ is at my discretion, if anything looks or smells funky down there, I don't chance it. Also, there are gents who prefer CBJ, and I always ask first which they prefer. I never assume all guys want BBBJ, because many don't.

 

The one thing I do not permit is digits because you can contract low grade (fungal etc.) infections from dirty hands and not everyone washes their hands properly. I know one lady who insists her clients use latex gloves if they want to finger her and I understand her logic totally.

 

No offense to any ladies who only offer CBJ or those any who have posted on this thread, but I have had my fair share of judgment being passed on me by other ladies because I do offer BBBJ and I think it's a bit hypocritical.

 

I believe if you're going to call yourself totally safe, then you would also not allow kissing, digits or DATY without a dental dam and I do know ladies who only offer CBJ who do allow some or all of those things.

 

I believe we need to respect each others limits with judgment or or criticism.

 

Just as many cannot understand why I offer BBBJ, I have cannot fathom anyone offerring BBFS, but there are those who do and I do not believe they are comparable.

[LeeRichards 177238]

I love bareback activities...orally speaking. Full service ... yikes.

 

Never ever a factor or consideration with whom I meet with.... I never have asked or never will....what happens .... happens.

 

This is why I am very particular with whom I meet with ....I get to know who I will meet with and have a comfort level and go with it....never ever a guarantee and life is one big gamble. But at the end of the day and if common sense prevails ..... if everbody is smart and genuinely cares about the lives of the people around them....then life can be good for all of us !!! Truthfully I have become very much a repeat visitor because I want to spend time with ladies that I love their company yes....but also ladies that I feel safe and comfortable being with sexually. I hope they feel the same.

 

BBFS - Try this Bareback activity.....probably safer...

 

[kerrixoxo 33719]

I have never had it requested when I see someone as an SP but when I meet someone as a non-SP they expect it to happen. I don't understand why some males suggest it outside of SP work. *SMH*

[playtoe 201]

In response to the question about contracting HIV with BBBJ, here is but one source which indicates that although it has been proven that HIV and other STD/STI's can be contracted orally it is rather low.

 

I haven't seen actual statistics as of yet.

 

http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/hiv?page=basics-00-08

 

quote:

There are a few known cases of people getting HIV from giving oral sex (licking or sucking). There are no known cases of someone getting HIV from receiving oral sex (being licked or sucked). Experts believe that oral sex without protection is less risky than other kinds of sex, but all agree that it is possible to get HIV from giving oral sex to an HIV-infected partner without protection, especially if the HIV-infected partner ejaculates in the mouth. Certain factors, such as the presence of any cuts or sores in the mouth, are thought to increase the riskiness of oral sex.

[LuxeMulvari 65764]

In response to the question about contracting HIV with BBBJ, here is but one source which indicates that although it has been proven that HIV and other STD/STI's can be contracted orally it is rather low.

 

I haven't seen actual statistics as of yet.

 

http://hivinsite.ucsf.edu/hiv?page=basics-00-08

 

quote:

There are a few known cases of people getting HIV from giving oral sex (licking or sucking). There are no known cases of someone getting HIV from receiving oral sex (being licked or sucked). Experts believe that oral sex without protection is less risky than other kinds of sex, but all agree that it is possible to get HIV from giving oral sex to an HIV-infected partner without protection, especially if the HIV-infected partner ejaculates in the mouth. Certain factors, such as the presence of any cuts or sores in the mouth, are thought to increase the riskiness of oral sex.

 

Exactly my point. Kissing, digits, and daty do not involve my interaction with semen, so the risk of catching an std from those three are minimal to none, there has never been a reported case of women catching HIV from DATY, ever. There are, however, reported cases of women, and photos if anyone cares to google, of women with std's from bbbj. This is proven medical fact. The disease is in the semen. No semen, no HIV. Very simple.

 

My point was this, very simply, if you will put an unprotected member into one hole in your body, why is it any different in another? Your body is all connected, one unit. You mouth and your cookie aren't separate, the all belong to one organism, you. That's like saying, "oh ill inject heroin into my arm, but not into my foot." It's all connected, so I'm just trying to understand the reasoning/logic behind this thought process, of why one orifice is "safe" but another is not.

 

I used to get mad about girls who did bbbj when i first started, I used to blame them when clients would call me, book an appointment, we're all set to go, and then they ask " oh btw, you do do bbbj right?" My response, as many can attest to, is always "as my health and safety, as well as the health and safety of my clients is my #1 priority, I do not engage in any unprotected services." and some would cancel on me.

 

I do not hide that I'm a safe gfe, it's on my website in black and white. Some really respect me because of this. I had more than a few they tell me they're terrified of bringing something home, and I'm one of the few they can truly relax with, my business practices put their mind at ease. Some don't care either way. Others cancel on me. Why do I say all this?

 

Because my perception has changed over the last my few years in my time in this industry. I realized getting mad at the ladies who do BBBJ is irrelevant, it will not change the fact that ladies will still offer it, and men will still ask for it. If you want to take risks like that, that your perogative. Just as I no longer get upset at the ladies who BBFS. There was at time when bbbj was taboo, someone told me they got in trouble working for an agency for a letting a guy cum on her chest. Now, fast forward 10 years, BBBJ is now the norm. In the U.S. SAFE GFE is norm, as well as Australia. Why did it change here? Because the ladies offer it, quite simply. If ladies didn't offer it, then no one could buy it. I remember one lady said "Back in the 90's, no guys had problem cumming with a condom on." Somewhere along the line, someone started offering, more guys asked for it, more ladies offered it. Us safe gfe's are few and far between, I am one of the last of a dying breed.

 

So I wonder, why should BBFS be any different? Now, someone offers it, so now it's being purchased.I don't understand how can you get upset at guys for asking for BBFS when BBBJ's are the norm. It's just a natural progression. I think the logic is "if she does it unprotected in one orifice, she might let me in another." Dangerous logic, but logic none the less.

 

For the sp, the risk factors for both are pretty high, you are the receiver of ejaculatory fluids, no matter which orrifice you get it in.The roads may be different, but they all lead to the same place.

 

Being angry is pointless. I'm not knocking anyone's business practice, like i stated it's your body your choice. I honestly don't care what another lady does, its her life she can with it as she pleases. My point is, you can't get mad at guys asking for BBFS or ladies providing it anymore than us SAFE GFE's can get mad at ladies for providing BBBJ's. If we want to change guys asking for BBFS, the only way to do so is to stop the ladies that offer it, much like the only way to stop people from asking for bBBJ's is to stop offering them.Good luck with that. The ladies in countries like Cambodia do BBFS, so people ask for it and it's rampant. However, in countries like australia where SAFE GFE is the norm, unprotected services are frowned upon, and the ladies that do offer it (much like the ladies who offer BBFS here) are shunned. Whats the difference? The ladies in Cambodia are willing to do BBFS, the ladies in Australia are not. So really at the end of the day, what is asked of us by our client base is a direct reflection of what we are willing to offer. So we cannot get mad a them, the guys asking or the sp's that provide. We as sp's are the ones to blame.

[1963Kennedy 10698]

yes thank you Meg for bringing this up. All the ladies,whether new in business or been in for a while, need to know, need to be reinforced that they should not be pressured into doing what they donot want. I just passed this message along to a new girl starting out as a stripper. For most Gentlemen of CERB we read the ladies advertising, we read through her site, we politely ask questions if necessary. Nuf said-time for bed.

[Guest]

From the beginning of this thread I could almost see it turning out to be something else. For the most part it has stayed about bbfs. I think if this conversation continues it will be pegging one kind of service against the other. whether you want to do that or not. I don't think that's what cerb is all about. This is a judge free friendly zone.

 

I understand that it is kind of hypocritical to be saying that bbbj is okey and bbfs is not. Point dearly noted. However lets not start a flame war over services offered. There is no point in doing that because irregardless of what you say they still will be offered.

 

We all do the same thing, no? So we should all respect each other. We have the choice to run our businesses the way we want to. There for it is our choice to do what we will behind closed doors. It is tough enough having to hide who we are from the people closest to us. Let alone fighting among each other. It is our job to protect each other and make sure we are healthy and happy.

[Mu* G**py 100]

Cat: Being PNG I cannot put forth a nomination or more points for you or for Luxe, but I fully appreciate and support what you are both saying in this matter. Very well said Cat.

 

Muddy

[Guest]

I most certainly get what your saying Cat. As someone who does provide bbbj with my discretion and who does get testing done regularly. If feel as if I need to protect myself against people who may look down on me because of doing this. I feel like this kind of judgement shouldn't be on cerb. I know some strippers and some ma's look down at escorts because they are escorts and I think that is hypocritical. They think of us escorts sorry to say but dirty. I just don't want to see this thread go in this direction. We are in the same industry.

 

I will be happy to see if and when the government makes this legal because it will be regulated in a way where testing will probably be mandatory. Sp's will probably have to go through some kind of course to get some kind of licencing.

 

As you said some of us had to go with bbbj to ensure we get the money to pay our bills ect. How are we going to break stereotypes if we judge ourselves. What I mean by that is sp's against sp's and any other part of the sex industry.

 

I don't want anyone being confused thinking I do bbfs I do not.

[brockvilleman 615]

i hope it is just not me, but someone would have to be out of their mind not to use a condom these days. if i went to see someone and they said , oh dont worry about it, i would be out the door and i wouoldnt care about the $$$. life is short enough. i enjoy sex as much as the next person but i also want to be around doing it for a while longer.

[Mu* G**py 100]

Nope, it's not just you BM as I concur completely. Look after yourself.

 

Muddy

 

i hope it is just not me, but someone would have to be out of their mind not to use a condom these days. if i went to see someone and they said , oh dont worry about it, i would be out the door and i wouoldnt care about the $$$. life is short enough. i enjoy sex as much as the next person but i also want to be around doing it for a while longer.

[SamanthaEvans 166767]

I most certainly get what your saying Cat. As someone who does provide bbbj with my discretion and who does get testing done regularly. If feel as if I need to protect myself against people who may look down on me because of doing this. I feel like this kind of judgement shouldn't be on cerb. I know strippers and some ma's look down at escorts because they are escorts and I think that is hypocritical. They think of us escorts sorry to say but dirty. I just don't want to see this thread go in this direction. We are in the same industry.

 

I just want to say, for the record, that while I don't provide bbbj, I don't look down on those who do. As far as I'm concerned, it's a difference in options, that's all. I do offer Greek, at my discretion. Not all companions do. I don't think that I'm better than anyone else because of these differences nor do I think that anyone else needs to change what she does because of what I think is best for me.

 

There are more risks in offering bbbj than cbj, it's true. At the same time, those risks are not enormous and with good care and testing I fully believe that a companion can manage things beautifully. In fact, I know that many absolutely fabulous companions do. They have my utmost respect. I've been working in this industry for a long time. I've never had an STI in my life. Perhaps I was simply lucky when I was younger and not working. Since I began to work, it could be that a combination of assiduously-applied safer sex rules and good luck have helped. I don't know. I can't know. What I'm certain of is that, given the number of men I've seen over time, the odds are that someone may have had an infection, whether he knew it or not. I accept that risk and work hard to limit my exposure both to bugs and to the need for any kind of antibiotic--I'm allergic to many such drugs.

 

I will be happy to see if and when the government makes this legal because it will be regulated in a way where testing will probably be mandatory. Sp's will probably have to go through some kind of course to get some kind of licencing.

That sounds good, in some ways, Peachy, but I don't think it will happen and, if it does, I don't think it will make a difference. Most of us won't accept regulatory intrusion. Pertaining as they do only to the moment when the tests were conducted, we know that test results are worth the piece of paper upon which they're printed. The apparent assurance that test results prove us to be healthy may actually increase the pressure to perform uncovered acts. Moreover, most of us will not willingly endorse the false notions that independent paid companions are a source of sexually transmissible infection--we're not--or that we are responsible for the health choices made by any adult other than ourselves.

[777flyer 1612]

Folks

 

No amount of money, should make someone compromise their safety standards, especially for a perceived 'Competitive advantage'

 

the reality is, partaking in very risky behaviour such as BBFS may eventually result in someone contracting an undesired infection or disease.

 

That in itself will put the person out of business, thereby permanently negating any perceived advantage one may believe they have by providing the customer the 'extra service'

 

It's your life, your body, the risks are very well documented in providing BBFS, especially to a total stranger, and a polite no and thank you will suffice.

 

If not, who cares what that person thinks ???

 

You are protecting yourself, and that is all that matters....... we all want to live to the next day and enjoy a safe and protected hobby.

 

My 2 cents......$US this time.... ;-)

 

SNK

[tokan 16826]

To me the matter of BBFS comes down to health related concerns. There are just to many really scary bugs out there not to mention the big one HIV/AIDS. But it's not just my health I worry about, I am also concerned about the ladies health just because when it comes to some of the STI's or HIV/AIDS it goes beyond interfering with their livelihood, there is a real chance that there could be severe repercussions for their health in some cases and I would hate to see that happen. Even if regular testing is done by both parties those tests are not infallible, so to me it's just not worth the risk to go BBFS. I wouldn't be opposed to seeing someone who offered BBBJ though, as although there are still risks they are much lower than FS. At the same time though if they only offered CBJ that wouldn't turn me away either, it all depends on what the lady is comfortable with. And if I'm interested in a particular lady it usually comes down to more than just what's on the menu.

 

Next to health though I am concerned about respect for the lady. To me a Lady is a Lady is a Lady, regardless of what profession they are in and deserves to be treated as such and with respect. If they are not comfortable offering a service I would not want to pressure them into anything, I'd rather stay within each others comfort zone and let nature take it's course. I want to add though that I would never look down on someone who offers or seeks more or less service than anyone else. It's their choice and I have to respect that, but I have to say that for me personally their are some risks I'm not willing to take.

 

I also want to add that I wouldn't be entirely opposed to government regulation. Not so much for the health aspect, but if it cut down on human trafficking or exploitation I'm all for it. Also if the government did offer services or courses to the industry I could see it being helpful.

[Andee 220524]

 

I don't look down at any provider no matter what services they offer or what part of the industry they are in, that just isn't who I am; we are ALL providers of sex in some form. I do however; remember when any uncovered ejaculation or fluid exchange was grounds for dismissal with the agencies I worked for, even a hand job. Girls that were caught providing it were blacklisted and shunned. The opinions we express now about bbfs mirror the opinions that previously were shared about any services that shared body fluids including kissing and daty. I believe wholeheartedly that the trends of unsafe services today are leading the industry towards even more liberal services in the future which means we are leaving a disturbing legacy to the providers that will inherit our positions. My weighing in on this thread was simply to point this out...

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I remember back in 1996 being spoken to very sternly by the agency owner because another girl ratted me that I had allowed a gent to ejaculate on my breasts. In some ways back then it was better because we knew the boundaries that were expected and the guys seemed to know the drill and very few pushed for extras back then.

 

With SPs offering bbfs, I still do not believe that will become the norm. However, it does frighten me that it is happening as I know at least 2 who do and their rationale does not sit well with me. It may not force me out of business, but I know I have already lost a few clients to these ladies. But they are not clients I would wish to see again because of that.

[drlove 37204]

 

I don't look down at any provider no matter what services they offer or what part of the industry they are in, that just isn't who I am; we are ALL providers of sex in some form. I do however; remember when any uncovered ejaculation or fluid exchange was grounds for dismissal with the agencies I worked for, even a hand job. Girls that were caught providing it were blacklisted and shunned. The opinions we express now about bbfs mirror the opinions that previously were shared about any services that shared body fluids including kissing and daty. I believe wholeheartedly that the trends of unsafe services today are leading the industry towards even more liberal services in the future which means we are leaving a disturbing legacy to the providers that will inherit our positions. My weighing in on this thread was simply to point this out...

/quote]However, it does frighten me that it is happening as I know at least 2 who do and their rationale does not sit well with me. It may not force me out of business, but I know I have already lost a few clients to these ladies. But they are not clients I would wish to see again because of that.

 

It frightens me too... I often wonder what such individuals are thinking, displaying such wanton disregard for themselves and others. I agree with you; If I was an SP, I'd much rather lose a client than lose my health!

[Athos 108589]

It certainly is frightening, and also inconceivable!! But clearly it does seem to happen. Quite sad!

 

Porthos

[Guest ****ven]

Admittedly this is a scary trend. When dealing with these inquries I generally respond stating that this is beyond my restrictions.

 

I also report abuse, simply because as aforementioned it creates an unsafe environment for hobbyists and Sps who are safe in their practices.

 

I certainly do receive a lot of bb requests but I simply explain I offer safe service only and am seldom answered back.

[Phaedrus 209521]

I'm not going to weigh in on the CBJ/BBBJ debate except to say that this is really comes down to the level of risk that each and every one of us is prepared to take. Some are more conservative and will stick with playing it safe; others will accept greater risk in return for greater rewards (however you choose to define that). The same applies to many areas of life, be it investing your money or making career decisions or indulging in high-adrenaline sports or... many other things.

 

One thing I will weigh in on: I disagree that BBBJ necessarily and inevitably leads to BBFS. I'm afraid I consider this the intellectual equivalent of the drug-warriors' scare-mongering that legalization of weed will inevitably lead to us all mainlining heroin.

[LeeRichards 177238]

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[Exotic Touch Danielle 31734]

I totally agree

[Guest]

I think another big elephant in the room is discriminatory and judgement within different sections of the sex industry. How some people look down at certain people for providing certain options. It could be that some strippers look down at ma's for providing hand jobs. I could be that some ma's look down at escorts for providing full service. I'm not saying that anyone here is trying to do this in this thread. I just don't want to see this thread go in this direction. Irregardless we are still in the sex industry and sorry but outsiders(people who do not partake in the industry) all look at us the same.

 

I remember Tyra banks ding a social experiment about different sections in the sex industry and it was really interesting. I don't have the time to find it now but when I do I will post it here.

 

 

I am in no way advocating bbfs. Nor do I wish to see this happen to the industry. I am simply stating that some judgement within the industry happens. As the topic of bbbj has been brought into the conversation. Although bbbj has risks. It is something that is being offered. Take a look at the adds in Ottawa and you will find a lot of girls offering this. I just don't think that any of us have the right to say that they wrong for offering this. I didn't see anyone saying that in these threads. Nor am I saying that anyone believes that the girls offering bbbj's are wrong. I am just pointing out that some judgement does occur within different sections of the sex industry.

 

I found the Social experiment although it is in really bad quality. Maybe someone else could find better quality videos.