Is advertising/taking incalls illegal/risky?

[sexyswedishprincess 100]

Hello,

I'm new at all this and at the moment do not own a vehicle/just purchased an apartment where I live on my own.Therefore I would prefer to do outcalls only.Is advertising my services online and/or taking outcalls something I could be charged for?Thanks so much:)

[April Dawn 12207]

Going to the client's home or hotel are legal.

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[SamanthaEvans 166767]

Advertising, whether online or in print, is perfectly legal. There have been judicial rulings in the 1980s that said that advertising is private communication because readers are never forced to read ads.

 

The only way to work legally is to go to the client's location for the call. That said, this is also one of the least safe ways to work, too. If you decide to do outcalls only, please, please, please make sure you have a driver and that the driver knows where you're going and what time you'll be ready to leave. Call the driver when you enter the house or hotel room and call again at an agreed-upon time. For example, if your meeting with the client will last an hour, make sure you call the driver when the hour is over, no matter what. If the driver doesn't hear from you, you should have a plan about what they are to do. If you don't have a driver now, contact other ladies where you are and get some recommendations. Don't hire someone who's just decided that this is a cool and sexy way to make a bit of money now that there's even less risk of prosecution than there was before recent the Ontario Court of Appeal decision. You want someone who is experienced and has been proven reliable.

 

I never go to clients' homes except in very rare cases where I have known the client for quite some time. Even then, I once ran into a problem that I was able to manage easily enough but which would not have happened at my place. The difficulty with hotel rooms and clients' homes is that you have no idea who is on the other side of the door when it opens to admit you. If you go to a hotel, make sure you check out the room thoroughly, looking in the bathroom, including the shower, and the closets. If there's a door that adjoins another room, make sure that it's locked on your side so that no one can enter from the room next door.

 

In a client's home, the problem is that you don't necessarily know where all the exits are. It's harder to know who is in the place and you have no control over whether someone else may arrive while you're there.

 

I can appreciate your reluctance to work from your own apartment but, frankly, this is safer than going to someone else's location. It's not legal, but unless you see a high volume of clients, entertain late at night or cause unusual noise, you're not likely to have a problem. It's critically important that the companion be in control of the encounter at all times, every time she meets with anyone, wherever the meeting takes place. That's much easier when you're in your own place and much more difficult when you're in the client's home.

 

Despite these warnings, it's true that many women work successfully doing outcalls. It might be a good idea to connect with some others and find out about their safety strategies. Over time we all think of things that never occurred to us when we started out.

 

Always remember: nothing, absolutely nothing, ever, including any amount of money, is more important that your personal safety, so don't compromise!

[Andee 220524]

When I started escorting in 1995, outcalls were the norm. Just to add to what Samantha Evans already said, it's best to only go to private residences or hotels where you can verify your client.

 

What I mean by that is that you do not accept appointments based on a cell phone only. You need them to provide a landline number to ensure they are really where they are.

 

It's hard to imagine, but it does happen, where "Joe" from Winnipeg is visiting Ottawa and wants an outcall and calls you from his cell and wants you to meet him at his hotel at 10:00 pm. That's nice except, how do you really know "Joe" is in your city.

 

Hotel: Tell the client you need his name, the hotel address and phone number and room number. Tell him that in order to confirm the booking, you need to call the hotel and and ask for that person and make sure he is really in that room. If he balks at this for "privacy reasons", assure him that you are only using this information to verify and that he is paying for discretion. If he tries to circumvent your booking procedure, then don't bother. If he can't honour your wishes before the appointment, then don't expect him to do so in the bedroom. If he says he'll be checking in later, tell him you cannot be on your way until he verifies he is in the room.

 

It's also best to let the client know when you are on your way and to adhere to a timely schedule. The minimum requirement for an out-call in Ottawa is usually one hour. If he's booking for hours later, it's good to call, because I have called clients back to tell them I'm on my way and they don't answer. I never set foot out the door until I know they are in their room and expecting me.

 

Also NEVER agree to meet a client in a public place, e.g. the lobby or a restaurant. If he wants to take you out, then insist that you must meet him at his hotel room (or home) in order to meet and take care of business so to speak so that you are doing this in private.

 

Residences: This is tricky because many people these days only have a cell phone, but in order to have some measure of security, you should insist on them giving you their landline telephone number and have them call you from it. You can consult sites like canada.411 to verify their name and address. If they don't have a landline telephone, you risk being given a fake address. Which is why these days, I do very few outcalls to private residences.

 

The only exception I make is if the client tells me he is within a 10 minute drive from me and then I will take the chance and most often (9 times out of 10 the booking is legit, but the first time you take a driver to call and the guy doesn't answer or the address is fake and you have to fork over $40 or more, believe me, you won't do it again).

 

Whatever happens, don't allow yourself to be manipulated. No exceptions. When we start cutting corners is when safety is compromised.

 

I may not know "everything" but I have learned over the years that when I have deviated from this, that's when I have had problems.

 

It's not worth risking your time and safety by letting someone dictate to you how it's going to be because they can't meet your requirements.

[roamingguy 300292]

And to throw my two cents worth in here, adding to Samantha's and Angela's comments, for your safety, have a verification process as part of your screening measure.

What I have provided to ladies I see, is my full real name, board handle, cell phone number, email address, confirmation of board handle by a pm and a reference from a lady I have seen.

Gentlemen understand that until you two meet you are both strangers, and for all the hype about a man's privacy, really the ladies run a much higher risk safety wise than a man does

There are many ladies on this board who I am sure would be happy to advise you about screening methods/verification.

My experience, when providing this information to a lady, it went a long way to establishing a trusting relationship before we even met, and got our encounter started on a positive note

For anyone evasive about being screened, remember, no amount of money is worth your safety (and maybe life)

One more thing, not clear from your post, but so you know outcalls are going to the gentleman's place, be it his hotel or residence, incalls the gentleman comes to your place be it your apartment or hotel

This guy's point of view

RG

[Guest W***ledi*Time]

Since this has turned into a bit of a discussion of possible booking protocols, I'll just mention that the client should be aware of the procedure you plan to follow - part of the point of the test should be to evaluate the potential client's general willingness to both listen and do what's asked.

 

A unique experience of mine, to show that unusual strategies exist:

 

Having carefully followed the lady's declared procedure, and having provided all my personal info (name and street address, landline number, cell number, email address, Cerb handle), we agreed on a date and time a couple of days in advance. I then made contact with her two hours prior to the appointment, precisely as she had previously specified. She told me at that time "see you at the hotel, call five minutes before the appointment time to get the room number".

 

One hour before the appointment, I got in the shower. When I got out of the shower, I saw she had called while I was in the shower. Puzzled, I phoned her back immediately, no answer. I then texted her, not more than ten minutes after she had called. I drove to the hotel and called her a couple of more times (beginning 5 minutes prior to my booking time, as specified), no answer. Finally I texted her again after 15 minutes, and left. A half-hour later, she responded to my text. Her explanation of what had happened was that I had lost my booking because I had failed her surprise test by not immediately picking up that unexpected and unscheduled call one hour before the appointment, and had therefore in her eyes shown myself to be not a serious potential client. This was not a miscommunication thing - she stated that she intentionally phoned because I wasn't expecting it. In her mind, she firmly believed that she had proved something with this strategy.

 

So it might sound funny to mention, but do let your client know what you expect and require of them. Whatever your personally preferred booking procedure, there should be a co-operative effort by both provider and client to make it go smoothly. I'm sure it often feels like it, but the potential client is not really your adversary!

[Code Blue 3585]

From Wrinkled..

 

"This was not a miscommunication thing - she stated that she intentionally phoned because I wasn't expecting it. In her mind, she firmly believed that she had proved something with this strategy."

 

I suspect she may reduce her business somewhat unnecessarily by such an approach.

 

Similarly, I am aware of a lady who, having been provided name and room number, called at a time when it was most unlikely the client would be there, simply to verify the hotel putting her through, and hence the client's existence.

 

I am not sure either is foolproof or even useful, but in matters of comfort, it never ceases to surprise me the nature of some peoples' Reassurance Rituals.

 

CB

[DukeSSk 3430]

Since this has turned into a bit of a discussion of possible booking protocols, I'll just mention that the client should be aware of the procedure you plan to follow - part of the point of the test should be to evaluate the potential client's general willingness to both listen and do what's asked.

 

A unique experience of mine, to show that unusual strategies exist:

 

Having carefully followed the lady's declared procedure, and having provided all my personal info (name and street address, landline number, cell number, email address, Cerb handle), we agreed on a date and time a couple of days in advance. I then made contact with her two hours prior to the appointment, precisely as she had previously specified. She told me at that time "see you at the hotel, call five minutes before the appointment time to get the room number".

 

One hour before the appointment, I got in the shower. When I got out of the shower, I saw she had called while I was in the shower. Puzzled, I phoned her back immediately, no answer. I then texted her, not more than ten minutes after she had called. I drove to the hotel and called her a couple of more times (beginning 5 minutes prior to my booking time, as specified), no answer. Finally I texted her again after 15 minutes, and left. A half-hour later, she responded to my text. Her explanation of what had happened was that I had lost my booking because I had failed her surprise test by not immediately picking up that unexpected and unscheduled call one hour before the appointment, and had therefore in her eyes shown myself to be not a serious potential client. This was not a miscommunication thing - she stated that she intentionally phoned because I wasn't expecting it. In her mind, she firmly believed that she had proved something with this strategy.

 

So it might sound funny to mention, but do let your client know what you expect and require of them. Whatever your personally preferred booking procedure, there should be a co-operative effort by both provider and client to make it go smoothly. I'm sure it often feels like it, but the potential client is not really your adversary!

 

Hmmm, I don't mind going through the security process for each lady. But, I must admit that I'm scratching my head over this mindset.

[fortunateone 156618]

Hmmm, I don't mind going through the security process for each lady. But, I must admit that I'm scratching my head over this mindset.

 

 

I don't understand if the one hour call is her benchmark of 'serious' why instead she doesn't just require the confirming call one hour beforehand rather than two hours.

 

If the person did pickup, what does that really tell her? To me it just tells me they were able to answer the phone and continue to tell me their 'story' that they are coming over to see me lol.

 

It's like blocked # vs unblocked #s. Blacklists and DNB lists are filled with #s from people who do the things the unblocked # callers are supposedly guilty of. So as a screening method for sincerity, no unblocked #s policy doesn't solve everything.

[Phaedrus 209521]

This was not a miscommunication thing - she stated that she intentionally phoned because I wasn't expecting it. In her mind, she firmly believed that she had proved something with this strategy.

 

Seriously? I have to say, an hour before the appointment sounds like the *perfect* time to catch your potential client in the shower. I wonder how many people pass this test?

 

And, of course, that's before we get to the discretion side of things. You could have had far more serious reasons for not picking up a call from an SP than simply being in the shower at the time. Most SPs understand this, of course, and wouldn't dream of calling any client out of the blue, but clearly this one doesn't.

[backrubman 64800]

Seriously? I have to say, an hour before the appointment sounds like the *perfect* time to catch your potential client in the shower. I wonder how many people pass this test?

And, of course, that's before we get to the discretion side of things. You could have had far more serious reasons for not picking up a call from an SP than simply being in the shower at the time. Most SPs understand this, of course, and wouldn't dream of calling any client out of the blue, but clearly this one doesn't.

 

A very respected and discreet SP called me unexpectedly about 15 minutes before our appointment. As I know she is so über discreet and professional it was clear to me she was in extreme distress. But just in case it was abort protocol, before dispatching hotel staff and police to her suite, I tried to reach her and she had pocket dialed me :) We laughed about it but she completely agreed that an unexpected call from her would always be very very bad and mean something was crazy wrong (if it was on purpose) and I wouldn't have been over reacting in the least to have dispatched hotel staff and police to check on her if I hadn't been able to reach her.

 

An SP making an unexpected call to a client is simply wrong. Never do this ladies, you could reach his wife, his co-worker, or give the poor guy a heart attack. If you must call him, it should be only when expected.

[Gabriella Laurence 301887]

Samantha, Angela and RG all have made some very important and valid points!

 

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If you decide to do outcalls only, please, please, please make sure you have a driver and that the driver knows where you're going and what time you'll be ready to leave. Call the driver when you enter the house or hotel room and call again at an agreed-upon time.

I have to admit that when I am in Montreal I only do outcalls and I do not have a driver but I always let a close friend know where I am going, what time my rendez-vous starts and the duration. Texts/calls are made just like if I had a driver and we do have a plan in place if he doesn't hear from me when he is supposed to.

 

Always remember: nothing, absolutely nothing, ever, including any amount of money, is more important that your personal safety, so don't compromise!

Thank you, Samantha. The above can never be repeated too many times!

 

Also NEVER agree to meet a client in a public place, e.g. the lobby or a restaurant. If he wants to take you out, then insist that you must meet him at his hotel room (or home) in order to meet and take care of business so to speak so that you are doing this in private.

I would have to disagree with the above as I often meet with gentlemen for cocktails or supper without any private time scheduled and sometimes going to their house (if local) just to take care of the business part is not always possible; the gentleman might just be finishing work and I meet him within a short distance from his work but he might live 45 minutes away from there... The SO might be home... and so on...

 

My donation is always handed to me in a small gift bag in a discreet manner and I never had an issue with this before. After all, receiving a donation for time and companionship is legal. The only thing I am extremely careful about is what is discussed during our time together in a public setting.

 

Whatever happens, don't allow yourself to be manipulated. No exceptions. When we start cutting corners is when safety is compromised.

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It's not worth risking your time and safety by letting someone dictate to you how it's going to be because they can't meet your requirements.

 

Amen!

[roamingguy 300292]

A very respected and discreet SP called me unexpectedly about 15 minutes before our appointment. As I know she is so über discreet and professional it was clear to me she was in extreme distress. But just in case it was abort protocol, before dispatching hotel staff and police to her suite, I tried to reach her and she had pocket dialed me :) We laughed about it but she completely agreed that an unexpected call from her would always be very very bad and mean something was crazy wrong (if it was on purpose) and I wouldn't have been over reacting in the least to have dispatched hotel staff and police to check on her if I hadn't been able to reach her.

 

An SP making an unexpected call to a client is simply wrong. Never do this ladies, you could reach his wife, his co-worker, or give the poor guy a heart attack. If you must call him, it should be only when expected.

 

So a confirmation text one month ahead of time confirming our encounter is on for the next day is on isn't right LOL

Actually just a funny story, getting ready to go to work, text message from the lady I'm seeing in a month's time, asking if we're still on for tomorrow

Well poor old RG's heart starts pounding. I didn't have her name/ number in my cell phone address book so I didn't know who was texting me. Second, did I overbook myself. Well cleared it up when I got home from work. Checked numbers again the names of all the ladies I had encounters planned with. She was one month off. But we have a laugh over it. No harm, no foul, and a humorous story to tell

RG

[backrubman 64800]

So a confirmation text one month ahead of time confirming our encounter is on for the next day is on isn't right LOL

Actually just a funny story, getting ready to go to work, text message from the lady I'm seeing in a month's time, asking if we're still on for tomorrow

Well poor old RG's heart starts pounding. I didn't have her name/ number in my cell phone address book so I didn't know who was texting me. Second, did I overbook myself. Well cleared it up when I got home from work. Checked numbers again the names of all the ladies I had encounters planned with. She was one month off. But we have a laugh over it. No harm, no foul, and a humorous story to tell

RG

 

Yeah this stuff happens. Not so bad with an unexpected text message, but if I'm driving along in the car with my disabled wife, taking her to see her Doctor and the cell phone rings, I can't legally answer it while driving so I just hand it to her to answer for me (expected and appreciated) for her to take the call and find out who they are and what they want :) If necessary, she'll dig out the Bluetooth for me.

 

With me, once all the arrangements are final, they are final. I have offered to prepay or at least send a deposit along electronically and the lady knows my cancellation policy, if I had to cancel while I would do my best to let her know (if at all able), the only thing I guarantee is that she will receive (or in most cases already has) full compensation.

 

In this case, it was prepaid completely, the room number had been received by text message an hour earlier along with "I'll be ready and waiting" and acknowledged. So the unexpected further attempt at direct communication was an alarm signal and even she agreed, I had every reason to be alarmed.

 

There are new SPs and then there are SPs emeritus that are very easy to deal with. She is extremely smooth and easy to deal with and would never call me directly and unexpectedly unless it was a dire emergency. Of course I extend the same courtesy to her.

 

But I have to agree with earlier points, SPs shouldn't call you without you expecting it. I don't think one ever has called me (except once by accident) rather I call them if and when requested to do so.

[Andee 220524]

 

I would have to disagree with the above as I often meet with gentlemen for cocktails or supper without any private time scheduled and sometimes going to their house (if local) just to take care of the business part is not always possible; the gentleman might just be finishing work and I meet him within a short distance from his work but he might live 45 minutes away from there... The SO might be home... and so on...

 

My donation is always handed to me in a small gift bag in a discreet manner and I never had an issue with this before. After all, receiving a donation for time and companionship is legal. The only thing I am extremely careful about is what is discussed during our time together in a public setting.

 

 

 

Amen!

 

I can understand where you're coming from. I was talking more if you are planning to go out for social time and then meet back to the room for playtime. I normally would not meet someone for social time only who I have not previously met or communicated with at length to find out whether I trust them not to discuss anything inappropriate.

 

 

Most of the guys who have wanted to meet me in a public place for social time are guys looking for free coffee dates, so I have to admit I have not had a lot of experience in that social time only dates.

 

I think it all comes down to common sense, but for someone who is a relatively new SP, I think the advice I gave was sensible. I made most of my mistakes in the first 2 years of escorting and some of them were because I cut corners by meeting in a public place.

[Cyndall_Kent 6880]

I just wanted to thank all of those who have participated in this thread. I found it extremely informative and helpful as a new member here. These boards are going to be a huge resource for me as I learn the ropes, and I'm grateful there are so many experienced members who are willing to share their experiences. Kudos!

 

-Carys

[Chocolatekyla 100]

I agree with the safety processes from Samantha and others on this. I would like to add that seeing a client more than once in the same space whether in call or out, does fall under the law as a common bawdy house a.k.a. brothel...However, since the recent appeal, there has been less movement on the part of law enforcement to move forward with raids, sweeps and the like, especially for individuals vs. incall agencies

One of the pro's that accompany working from your own space - wherever that may be- home or a rented space- is that many clients upon visiting you, do tend to act as guests on your turf, and as such are likely to display certain levels of etiquette that reinforce your position as host.