What do you do when you realise the SP's high after you have paid

[bigred1234 100]

I met up with one of the SP's that I have seen a few times in the past this week, and after paying I realised that she was higher than a kite, she couldn't carry on a conversation, could barely remember me, and after just lying there for the first 15 minutes, asked me if I wanted to pay to stay longer. I informed her that I had paid for 30 minutes and I had to leave in 10 minutes and she informed me that our time was up. What should one do after paying if you notice that the SP is high??

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

I met up with one of the SP's that I have seen a few times in the past this week, and after paying I realised that she was higher than a kite, she couldn't carry on a conversation, could barely remember me, and after just lying there for the first 15 minutes, asked me if I wanted to pay to stay longer. I informed her that I had paid for 30 minutes and I had to leave in 10 minutes and she informed me that our time was up. What should one do after paying if you notice that the SP is high??

 

Hmmmm, I think I would either leave, and cut my losses. As it would be very very messy if she were to overdose while in your company. Then you would need to call ambulance and if you did not call, then you may face charges of manslaughter(in the event she died) or some kind of criminal neglect type charge...or finish the session,( which I think would be difficult, as it would be a turn off) and do not return...

 

This happened to a girl I know who ran an agency, her girl went on a call, and she was on something...well she overdosed in his bathroom, thankfully he did call ambulance! But it caused a whole mess of issues for him, as the neighbors stood outside to watch the drama unfold:(

[backrubman 64800]

I met up with one of the SP's that I have seen a few times in the past this week, and after paying I realised that she was higher than a kite, she couldn't carry on a conversation, could barely remember me, and after just lying there for the first 15 minutes, asked me if I wanted to pay to stay longer. I informed her that I had paid for 30 minutes and I had to leave in 10 minutes and she informed me that our time was up. What should one do after paying if you notice that the SP is high??

 

Well I always consider the fee at risk, just like many of the other risks we take and there are plenty even with the finest most reliable SPs we are talking risks (of a different sort) and so they and we both accept these risks.

 

I'd be a lot more concerned that another human being has a drug problem (than I would about something as unimportant as money) and at the same time there is little you can do about it. I wouldn't even judge someone that uses drugs, it's their choice and their life. But any SP I know would kick my ass out the door (or leave quickly if they are on my turf) if I was high, so I would do the same if the roles were reversed.

 

I say if she is high and not to the point of her life at risk from an overdose (and you can't really be expected to be able to evaluate that unless you are a medical Doctor), run like hell, never to return or at least until she get's herself straightened out. Of course it would take a lot of straightening out and some time before she'd ever see me again.

[Boomer 33202]

it's their choice and their life.

 

Sadly, I'm not sure that they really do have much choice at that point.

 

I don't think you can do anything but beat a speedy retreat. Don't argue, she's probably not very rational at this point.

[roamingguy 300292]

I consider the money for an encounter gone so to speak, so I'm never worried about recovery of the money. What I would do is leave. Now if it is obvious she has immediate health (ie life/death) concerns, stay, dial 911 and await the ambulance. No matter what, this is a fellow human being.

But if she is just high, no immediate concerns, consider the money and encounter gone, move on, don't return

RG

[backrubman 64800]

Sadly, I'm not sure that they really do have much choice at that point.

 

Good point. So true, but at some point a conscious choice of free will was made.

 

Don't argue, she's probably not very rational at this point.

 

And I would consider any state of consensual consent (that might have existed) to now no longer exist or be invalid when someone is now known to be under the influence of any mood altering drug (including alcohol).

[billybob 20128]

You pays your money and you takes your chances.

[Guest a**4*]

The money is gone if she hasn't od leave and never go back you do not need headaches been there once

[SamanthaEvans 166767]

In dicey situations, always take the highest road you can find. Always, no matter what. Character is everything, after all. One's personal integrity and authenticity are most clearly revealed in stressful or potentially dangerous situations.

 

In the future, focus closely on your companion when you arrive. Be sure that she's sober and level. Consent is a very important consideration: you don't want to have to defend your actions if another person's consent may not have been unequivocally given.

 

I'm a warm and affectionate person. I always greet new and returning visitors with a hug and a kiss. It's an easy way to break the ice, and I'll also notice alcohol on his breath, lack of focus in his eyes and other tell-tale signs he may be intoxicated or on something. I have turned men away in these circumstances. I've also switched the agenda for the meeting, made coffee and provided something nourishing to eat. That wasn't necessary and I wouldn't have done it if I'd felt that I was at risk of harm, but I can be a bit motherly at times. In each case, I accepted my full fee at the door and kept it.

[backrubman 64800]

In dicey situations, always take the highest road you can find. Always, no matter what. Character is everything, after all. One's personal integrity and authenticity are most clearly revealed in stressful or potentially dangerous situations....I've also switched the agenda for the meeting, made coffee and provided something nourishing to eat. That wasn't necessary and I wouldn't have done it if I'd felt that I was at risk of harm, but I can be a bit motherly at times.

 

And that gentlemen is what separates the real ladies from the girls, take notice.

 

I'll never view service providers as always or only providing services of a strictly sexual nature.

 

To me, a real service provider knows what services I need most at the time and provides them. It might be companionship or some coffee and "something nourishing to eat". The more of SamanthaEvan's (and a few others) posts I read the more impressed I become. The more special ladies like this I meet the more impressed I become also.

 

You pays your money and you takes your chances.

With the girls, yes. But with the real ladies like this they are consistent, considerate, reliable, dependable, experienced and always very special.

[Parker 19761]

I consider the money for an encounter gone so to speak, so I'm never worried about recovery of the money. What I would do is leave. Now if it is obvious she has immediate health (ie life/death) concerns, stay, dial 911 and await the ambulance. No matter what, this is a fellow human being.

But if she is just high, no immediate concerns, consider the money and encounter gone, move on, don't return

RG

 

 

This is great advice... but I would like to add to it slightly.

 

If you come across someone, be it client, escort or anyone really, and they need serious medical attention you don't only have a 'moral' obligation to do something, in Canada you also have a legal obligation.

You are legally not allowed to just leave someone there to die.

 

I very much hope no one has to be put in such a stressful situation like dealing with someone who's had a heart attack, overdose, stroke, ect... but if you do, you need to do the right and legal thing and get them medical attention immediately.

 

I would also suggest bringing it up with the lady for a couple reasons;

 

1. She may not be high.

I've come across people I thought were high, but weren't. As someone who doesn't get high, I'm not really the best judge of what high people look like, unless it's glaringly obvious.

 

2. Maybe she doesn't realize she has a problem and you pointing out her being high might actually make her think about what she's doing.

 

xx

[Kathryn Bardot 99339]

If you come across someone, be it client, escort or anyone really, and they need serious medical attention you don't only have a 'moral' obligation to do something, in Canada you also have a legal obligation.

You are legally not allowed to just leave someone there to die.

In Ontario, we are not legally required to assist someone unless we are at fault for their situation, or unless we have a sufficiently close relationship to the person in distress. There is no duty to care unless you put the person at risk, or you are in a caregiving position (for example, due to your profession).

The only province that I know of that has a duty to care law is Quebec, but even then it does not constitute a criminal offense unless it also violates the federal criminal code.

At the very least, call authorities who can and are trained to help or judge if help is needed.

[roamingguy 300292]

Actually Amelia you are correct

But by the same token the Good Samaritan Law prevents a rescuer from being sued for wrongdoing should they make a mistake in treatment

But I am going by an old adage (paraphrased, been a long time), from one of my swimming courses, but applicable to such circumstances

"Whomever you see in distress, recognize a fellow human being"

The link for the summary of the law

http://www.canadianlawsite.ca/goodsamaritan.htm

But irrespective of whether a legal obligation or moral one, we are talking about a human life, which in my opinion trumps all else

RG

[fortunateone 156618]

This is great advice... but I would like to add to it slightly.

 

If you come across someone, be it client, escort or anyone really, and they need serious medical attention you don't only have a 'moral' obligation to do something, in Canada you also have a legal obligation.

You are legally not allowed to just leave someone there to die.

 

I very much hope no one has to be put in such a stressful situation like dealing with someone who's had a heart attack, overdose, stroke, ect... but if you do, you need to do the right and legal thing and get them medical attention immediately.

 

I would also suggest bringing it up with the lady for a couple reasons;

 

1. She may not be high.

I've come across people I thought were high, but weren't. As someone who doesn't get high, I'm not really the best judge of what high people look like, unless it's glaringly obvious.

 

2. Maybe she doesn't realize she has a problem and you pointing out her being high might actually make her think about what she's doing.

 

xx

 

 

And 3. If she was drugged, who is to say she did it to herself? There is a real possibility a prior client brought something like wine for example, drugged, and left her groggy and disoriented.

 

In any situation, it seems like if the person is in such extreme and noticeable condition, the best approach is to ask if she is ok. And did she take anything herself, and if so what was it. And if it was something brought, where is it.

 

I know not everyone wants to get 'involved' but this activity isn't illegal, and there is no harm in assisting someone who may need assistance.

[roamingguy 300292]

Lets play this hypothetical situation. You go to see a lady at her incall.

Shortly after you arrive instead of a drug o/d she grasps her chest, and is having a heart attack

Do you leave or call 911 and start CPR

Maybe she has a poor diet and smokes which were contributing factors in the heart attack

Does that mean her life isn't worth saving

Frankly does any of it matter

A human life is in jeopardy, that is all that matters.

RG

[Parker 19761]

In Ontario, we are not legally required to assist someone unless we are at fault for their situation, or unless we have a sufficiently close relationship to the person in distress. There is no duty to care unless you put the person at risk, or you are in a caregiving position (for example, due to your profession).

The only province that I know of that has a duty to care law is Quebec, but even then it does not constitute a criminal offense unless it also violates the federal criminal code.

At the very least, call authorities who can and are trained to help or judge if help is needed.

 

 

I wasn't even thinking about 'Good Samaritan' law, I was simply thinking about liability.

 

Please correct me if I'm wrong, (and I should mention I would never, ever do this and would be saddened deeply if anyone did, as roamingguy said-- this is a human being and should be helped anyways) but...

 

I can go to a gents house or hotel, he could OD or have a stroke/heart attack and I'm legally allowed to just leave him there to die?

I don't have any legal obligations to call the police, ambulance or 911 unless I'm the cause of his dying?

 

I just figured that if you could prevent the death by calling the authorities and didn't, you could be liable for contributing to the death.

[Kathryn Bardot 99339]

I'm really not certain of the technicalities in that situation, nor would I advocate not helping someone if you can and if it does not put you in danger yourself. I was just pointing out that there is no law that says you must help someone.

[piano8950 32577]

I'm a bit confused with the direction of the conversation in this thread. I understand that when one is high, the possibility of an OD exists. But it seems that in this particular situation, where the SP has made the trip to see the client (if it was an outcall), or at least partaken in some sort of activity for 10 or so minutes.

 

This isn't a pro-drug post or a 420 post to be clear. I have in the past, mainly during my first year of university joined in consuming some less then legal substances. The step between being high and risking OD depending on the drug is pretty varied. My old roommate sometimes had trips that lasted an entire night, and it may cause long term damage down the road, but her life was not in any danger at that moment.

 

I guess my point is that the OP mentioned that the SP was high, and there was an immediate reaction to the SP possibly ODing. Firstly, I didn't get that impression that it was the case from what he mentioned, so while the hypothetical discussion has been enlightening should an unfortunate occurrence like this does happen, I don't think it applies here.

 

I'm actually a bit surprised that there isn't more outrage with this particular SP who is sullying the name of this industry. While I like to give someone the benefit of any situation, what this SP did was fraud in my personal opinion. While I understand and appreciate that this forum has adopted a friendly, SP positive environment, I've seen several instances where activities that are deemed unsafe or counter to the general accepted standards of its members are reported (most recently the Mod's appeal for any knowledge for an SP providing BBFS). I do not wish for this SP to be publicly called out, but I would appreciate if members have the ability to report instances like this one out privately. A one off might indicate a freak occurrence, perhaps due to a disgruntled client, or something else entirely. Numerous reports indicates a trend.

 

Going back to the actual situation itself, if the SP was conscious, and lucid, then I'd leave immediately. I'd scour online to see if this person has issues like this, as well as trying to find an avenue to report this privately and dealt with. Like I said above, this sort of activity feels like fraud to me, and no different from common theft. I'm relatively new to all of this, and it was an amazing experience with an SP who valued her work and treated it professionally. If I suspect my taxi driver, or doctor or any other person providing me a service is high, my first instinct depending on the severity of the service will be to remove myself from the situation as fast as possible, not to put myself in the uncomfortable position of finding out if he/she is actually high. At that point, even if they say they are not, I will not be comfortable given their conduct that led me to that question.

[Parker 19761]

I'm actually a bit surprised that there isn't more outrage with this particular SP who is sullying the name of this industry. While I like to give someone the benefit of any situation, what this SP did was fraud in my personal opinion.

 

 

Lots of things 'sully the name of the industry', there's not much point in getting worked up about it, especially if you have gents to see. (I doubt riled up makes for a great session..)

 

I think some people fail to remember that this industry is FAR from perfect, most of us don't come into the business because we've always wanted to be escorts. Some people go through terrible things, they also have the possibility to change.

 

I assume the jump to OD was made because if someone was so noticeably high, then that would be more of a possibility?

I don't really know... I've known people who smoked pot, but they never seemed noticeably high and I don't do drugs so I don't know how far seeming high and ODing are away from each other.. /shrug

 

When you ask an open, generalized question.. you get thoughts and hypothetical answers based on different possibilities. I don't really see anything wrong with that.

 

xx

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

If it wasn't obvious that she was going to overdose, I would call her on it and casually ask if she had been drinking or smoking marajuana and if she is okay. If she was just lying there then that is an indication that she could have been drunk, smoked weed, or maybe high on downer pills. If you feel uncomfortable about it, make sure she is okay, leave and don't return to see her again.

 

Many SPs do smoke marajauna and some are even casual in telling others about it. I've seen ads for girls being 420 friendly but if this is beyond your boundaries then you have the right to leave. Yes, you may have forfeited your money...unless you want an argument on your hands as don't know how people will react while under the influence . Unfortunately it's best to just cut your losses and chalk it up to experience.

 

And if someone did overdose or something else happens medically, it is your repsonsibility to call 9-1-1. I was with a client when he had a heart attack and I had to drag a 300 lb guy off the bed to perform CPR. At that point I didn't care who people thought I was or what I was doing there. I happened to be on an outcall and in that moment, you're just thinking about that person. I had hotel staff up there in minutes as well as an ambulance and the luckily the guy survived.

 

I also know an SP in Toronto who went to an outcall at a hotel and the guy overdosed on cocaine shortly after she got there. She was young and freaked out but told the front desk to call 9-1-1. She should have stayed but she decided to bolt out of there because she was scared. Apparently the indidual who OD was not the most upstanding citizen and didn't want to be associated with whatever they were a part of. Not right imo to take off when someone is ODing but it's good she told the front desk. Unfortunately it was too late and he died.

[Boomer 33202]

I don't think there is any obligation to act. Doing so is a moral and ethical decision. Every province does have law that protects you when you do act, but remember it has to be reasonable and carefully administered. If conscious I would make sure you do ask if they want you help, and if no, 411 may be your only option.

 

It's a big decision and many people don't act for a variety of reasons, their own safety, unpleasant illness or injury, possibility of catching a disease, and being afraid of doing something wrong. Dialing 911 may be as far as you want to go. Recently I re-certified my standard first aid recently and was really surprised by the changes that have happened in the last few years. CPR has been simplified, mouth to mouth isn't recommended nearly as much and there's a real accent on your personal safety.

[roamingguy 300292]

I wasn't even thinking about 'Good Samaritan' law, I was simply thinking about liability.

 

Please correct me if I'm wrong, (and I should mention I would never, ever do this and would be saddened deeply if anyone did, as roamingguy said-- this is a human being and should be helped anyways) but...

 

I can go to a gents house or hotel, he could OD or have a stroke/heart attack and I'm legally allowed to just leave him there to die?

I don't have any legal obligations to call the police, ambulance or 911 unless I'm the cause of his dying?

 

I just figured that if you could prevent the death by calling the authorities and didn't, you could be liable for contributing to the death.

 

First I'm no lawyer so don't take this as gospel. But after a gleaning of the internet, except for Quebec, there is no legal obligation. For me though, damn the law, my morals and ethics kick in, a life in jeopardy, that is what is important.

Now if you have by virtue of your profession, a legal duty, (such as a doctor, nurse, paramedic, caregiver etc), you must render assistance. (I fall under this category where I work)

But for those thinking about flight think about this. A dead body in a hotel room. That will raise eyebrows. Maybe the police will be called in, to find out who was the last to see him/her. Even if you get out of the room, who knows who has seen you. You may end up with the police coming, not to arrest you, but to question you.

A rambling

RG

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

First I'm no lawyer so don't take this as gospel. But after a gleaning of the internet, except for Quebec, there is no legal obligation. For me though, damn the law, my morals and ethics kick in, a life in jeopardy, that is what is important.

Now if you have by virtue of your profession, a legal duty, (such as a doctor, nurse, paramedic, caregiver etc), you must render assistance. (I fall under this category where I work)

But for those thinking about flight think about this. A dead body in a hotel room. That will raise eyebrows. Maybe the police will be called in, to find out who was the last to see him/her. Even if you get out of the room, who knows who has seen you. You may end up with the police coming, not to arrest you, but to question you.

A rambling

RG

 

This is why if were me, and I would assess the situation, determine if it appears she is really too far gone...if so I would leave before I found myself with a dead body to answer for, and go threw this whole process that would end up causing much to answer for. BUT if while in my company then FOR SURE I would call 911!!!! No doubt about it!

 

If he/she doesn't look too far off, and they are showing they are alert to their surrounding, I would explain how it wasn't gonna happen today, and try to politely exchange funds back, if not, then cut loss and never return. If you know her well, then contact her when sober, and try to see what she remembers, etc..

[Phaedrus 209521]

Well... we've had various people talking about what they would or wouldn't do when the excrement impacted the impeller, but... really... I don't think any of us *know* unless it's happened. Sure, I could tell you what I'd like to think I'd do - but I consider that worthless. I've never been in that sort of a situation, fortunately, so I really can't say for certain what I'd *really* do, irrespective of what I'd like to think. I'll be very happy if I never find out.

 

Also:

 

most of us don't come into the business because we've always wanted to be escorts.

 

Off-topic: this is true, but one could probably say the same of accountants.

[LeeRichards 177238]

I met up with one of the SP's that I have seen a few times in the past this week, and after paying I realised that she was higher than a kite, she couldn't carry on a conversation, could barely remember me, and after just lying there for the first 15 minutes, asked me if I wanted to pay to stay longer. I informed her that I had paid for 30 minutes and I had to leave in 10 minutes and she informed me that our time was up. What should one do after paying if you notice that the SP is high??

 

I would leave promptly and not see her again. Life deals us the odd shitty hand in life. It sucks yes but such is life. You are on Cerb so you see the wonderful ladies that want to spend time with good guys. .... Me.... I would move on....pissed off yes for a bit ... but move on.