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I recently started dealing with one of the girls and she refuses to see any clients that are "African-America" I don't know how to tell men that and I feel bad as well but I do respect her wishes.... How should I handle the situation?? any suggestions would help

 

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my guess is to dissmiss her. not fair to clients what race they are. plus its not polite either

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I think she has every right to decide who she's comfortable seeing. This is a very personal business so let her decide what her restrictions are. Post them and that's all you have to do,.

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I think she has every right to decide who she's comfortable seeing. This is a very personal business so let her decide what her restrictions are. Post them and that's all you have to do,.

i dont think its a good idea to post who or what race whe wants to see. she'll get into trouble with mod over race issues. its happened before.

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Not to sound rude but you just have to suck it up.

 

She is a person and she has the right to decide if she doesn't want to see a specific clientelle.

I suppose you can't post that here (as wrtten above) but if you have a website or simply over the phone do it there.

 

No offense to any race is intended by my statement.

 

Sometimes the simplest answer is the best one, try, "Sorry this particular lady will not see african-american clients...but I have this other lady who (insert sales pitch here)"

 

It's not unheard of in the industry (or life...) Some asian providers will only see asian clients. I've met an african-american woman who wouldn't see causasians... I wasn't offended it's her decision who she is willing to date.

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I think she has every right to decide who she's comfortable seeing. This is a very personal business so let her decide what her restrictions are. Post them and that's all you have to do,.

 

Well I'm glad you agree with me but I know it is a lot more troublesome for the agency than just "Post them and that's all you have to do". Her wishes still have to be handled discreetly so as not to bring on the wrath of people that feel it is simple racial prejudice. I do understand the dilemma for the agency and would even understand if she had to be replaced, could be any interesting case before the HRC :)

 

One of my best friends is in a inter-racial marriage, I feel for him as sometimes they are discriminated against (his wife is from Jamaica and very dark skinned). They do unfortunately draw lots of undesired attention. If she is an escort perhaps she simply wants to be able to avoid drawing attention when doing the escort thing. Perhaps if she is seen with a client (by someone that knows her) she would like to always be able to explain it away as being with a potential boyfriend. Who knows?

 

In any event, we can never and should not expect a person (of either gender or role) to have to defend in any way who they choose to be intimate with for any reason, including this one.

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I Agree It Is Kind Of Like Discrimination to the race..& it doesn't help your company in a way....cuz if you tell the client that they may take it the wrong way and let others know who ask and are African-american....But Every woman Yes does have the choice of who she wants to see or not see so i wish you luck in your dilemma..i dont know how i would explain it if i was a the company

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The problem is that white people are the only race that it is ok to discriminate against. It is the old "fair to oppress the oppressor" argument.

 

For an example that is fairly benign. For many years there were men's only clubs all over. that is now illegal. Yet, women's only clubs are totally legal and common. Girls can join boy scouts or play on a boy's team, but not vice versa.

 

If she said she would not see over or under a certain age would that be ok? of course. A person has the right to choose their clientelle using any criteria they wish. Who knows, maybe she was raped by a black fellow and has a fear. It would certainly be insensitive and wrong to make her be with a person that makes her feel nervous or scared.

 

unfortunately, it could be simple racism, and although I think that is a disgusting thought, I would not want to be with a person who doesn't want to be with me, so I would welcome the warning/refusal.

 

Now here is a question...do ou now have to pre-screen clients by asking their race? I have never been asked this prior to an appointment, and I think it might bug me if someone did ask. i would probably choose not to go there.

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She should go Indy; that way she will have the freedom to define her business plan and select the kind of customers she wants and those she doesn't.

 

For an agency, that kind of "selection" may cause a problem for the credibility or the reputation of the agency. For the SP, she has the right to choose the customers she wants to offer her services, but, maybe, the agency setting does not suits her.

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She's well within her right to. But it's kinda tricky to have someone employed with that restriction. You'd have to screen all callers who are interested in her, and most likely insult the black ones when they find out the SP won't meet them.

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This is a touchy subject for me but I truly believe through intelligent dialogue we all gain a better understanding of opposing perspectives. So far I've read very measured posts and I commend you all for that.

 

My personal feeling is that every sp and even agency has the right to provide service to whomever they desire. It this was a fully recognized profession and service, it would fall under the provisions of the Canadian Charter of Human rights which stipulates that denial of service based on race, nationality, religions, sex, disability ect. is not lawful under the act.

 

But since this falls outside of those provisions you as an agency are free to employ whomever you chose and to tell clients whatever you want.

 

But be prepared for the consequences. This business is very much entrenched in free advertising via word of mouth. A hobbier who feels slighted is equally within his rights to tell everybody he knows or even people he doesn't know through the use of forums, blogs other review boards etc. - about his feelings on the subject.

 

Although I'm pretty sure it wouldnt get to that. There are plenty of beautiful women here that have no issues seeing kind, thoughtful respectable and clean gentleman regardless of pigment. You accept the denial of service like a man and move on.

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She must have her reasons for not wanting to see different raced people. No matter how incredibly rude I think this is. You still have to go with this girls wishes. It is her right to choose who she would like to spend time with. I think that she will be missing out on money and great clients. As some of the best clients I have had are different raced people. I would be discreet in handling this matter. I would just ask the clients interested in her what their race is. I would find this incredibly embarrassing to be asking this, tho. Good luck!

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The service an sp provides is a special & unique type of service :)

 

So I think that personal preferences regarding clientel is perfectly aceptable.

 

As an sp you want to spend time with men who you are comfortable with, and as a client-would you not prefer to spend your money & time with a lady who actually wants to spend time with you, rather than one who does not? The difference between the two, in regards to levels of service would be extremely opposite.

 

Now..... if a restaurant or any other type of service providing business, indicated they choose not to serve African Americans or any other race...That would be wrong.

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I think it's fine to set who you want to fuck. It's a service industry but it's still intimate sex thats being served. Everyone has their preferences.

 

Heck, clients do this all the time. Why do you think the word Ebony is used with black SPs?

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Years back when I worked in Vancouver I was working for an Asian massage parlor, and there were plenty of different races that were patron's. I was not selected because of the color of my skin, and I just had to accept it. On the flip side, there were those who selected me because I was Caucasian.

 

I would not post it publicly!! As it may reflect on your business ethics. Perhaps if you have web-site, you can write a mission statement ot the effect that your business is open to many different races, however is at the discretion for the individual ladies to choose. Then when an Afri-Canadian, or Indian/Asain do inquire, and they want a particular lady, you as an agent can offer a better match.

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A lady's boundaries are a lady's boundaries, and should be respected.

Why she doesn't wish to see African Canadians, I don't know.

But if forced to see a client she doesn't wish to see, for an intimate encounter, my guess, it will be a terrible encounter for both the gentleman and her. And really, if she has to have the encounter, it will be more like forcing her to see someone, less like a consensual act.

Perhaps quietly you two can discus her reasons, but if she insists on her boundary, respect it.

A rambling for what it's worth

RG

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It is a very sensitive issue indeed,

 

To just let her go because of her preference is harsh - she is still a human being and free will is her right. Any reason that she have to make decision is hers and should not be dragged out in public.

 

There is subtle way to refer clientele to other sp within the agency, if whomever on the line is booking with her - you could ask if they are african-american.. if they feel offended, just defer with a polite explanation how it is her preference and you respected that so you need to confirm it for her.

 

If client decided that you are a bad business person by respecting your employee choice that is their loss. If anything client should be more comfortable knowing you are willing to go the distance and protect and create a safe comfortable working environment for your employees.

 

my ramble anyways ..

 

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there were more than once occasion i have been asked what race i am on the phone during a booking... i dont find it offensive but i ask the lady why is it important for her and should we still go trough with the date... i make my decision based on their answers really..

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Ugh. This is a tricky one. I fear there are no easy answers.

 

First, as everyone else has said, every SP has an inalienable right to choose who she sees, or not, and to vet her potential clients according to her own criteria. If one of those happens to be race, or color, or creed, so be it. It's her call; nobody else has any right to overrule her.

 

Secondly: I can see this as a huge potential problem for an agency. Many potential clients may not - or may not be inclined to - readily distinguish between "SP X won't see <insert race/color/creed here> clients", and "This agency doesn't cater to <race/color/creed> clients". And for better or worse, an agency *is* going to become associated with the ladies who work for it. If they're generally good and generate happy clients, a good reputation for the agency will follow. But negatives also apply.

 

And so it seems to me that an agency owner who has a business to run and a reputation to worry about may legitimately decide not to associate themselves with such screening techniques. It's not just SPs and clients who get to choose who they're going to do business with.

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Yes, Phaedrus, you are so right here!

 

I should quote, but someone a few back post suggested that perhaps the lady could go INDY....

 

that way she does not compromise her own work ethic, nor does the agency??

 

However we dont know if this lady has chosen AGENCY over INDY for a personal reason as well?

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She should go Indy; that way she will have the freedom to define her business plan and select the kind of customers she wants and those she doesn't.

 

For an agency, that kind of "selection" may cause a problem for the credibility or the reputation of the agency. For the SP, she has the right to choose the customers she wants to offer her services, but, maybe, the agency setting does not suits her.

 

I am in total agreement Royalfun. This is exactly what I was going to post.

 

I mean, I respect that people have different prejudices and for whatever reason. No matter what reason she has though, it will not reflect well on your agency. She should go Indy IMHO.

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It's her right, but he's also got the right to not deal with that sorta thing. Like he himself admitted, it's bad for business and puts him in an awkward position. Just dismiss her.

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