Licensed SP wants to shut down 'illegals'

[Angus Podgorny 1361]

Anybody watch the news today? ..... http://winnipeg.ctvnews.ca/woman-wor...ector-1.873729

[Guest drhot69]

Yawn.

 

One hooker trying to stamp out competition by enlisting the government.

 

And supported by the usual coterie of the wide-eyed 30-something ingenues that the Winnipeg news media loves to employ. The real entertainment here is watching them learn how their politically-correct view of the world, OMG, does not square with reality.

 

This story will go nowhere.

[RICOSUAVE75 110]

Saw this at 6pm news. I think she's just sour that her escort business is dead because she can't compete with all the Indys. Why should I pay an agency fee on top of the girls rate just to book a session with a girl. No thanks but I'll stick with the Indys. Its my money.

[Angus Podgorny 1361]

I've never heard anything good about Winnipeg agencies since the days of Corporate Entertainment. (I think that's what they were called).

[just2enjoy 1621]

Seriously, does she think by drawing more negative attention will increase her business? Certainly won't be getting it from me!

[Dorinda Bloom 44036]

Fort Mac is notorious for this sort of thing....

[WPGJohn 663]

Saw this story at noon and was wondering what was up with that? So she has a pimp license...I'll stick with the indies and MP's thanks

[Angus Podgorny 1361]

City concillors do not want to touch this issue with a ten foot pole. The city is making money on the licenses. Who are the real "pimps"?

[livenudecats 4072]

This entire issue came up a few years ago and the city learned then its a non-starter. That was when escorts started calling themselves "Service Providers."

I know it sounds ridiculous but as long as they can't prove the lady is in fact calling herself an escort they can't do a thing.

This was discussed on another board the other day and Ladyluck, who got caught in the sting operation, got out of her ticket by admitting in open court she is a prostitute (which is not illegal) not an escort.

Another lady hired a lawyer who argued she was a Service Provider and the city or the crown (not exactly sure who) backed down.

[garytooshoes 151]

Even if she was successful, no one would want to go near her business. Does she also video all her clients just in case she needs it one day, just say'in. Dumb move on her part.

[cat 262460]

I think she has a point. Running a legitimate business within the parameters outline by local government is more expensive and if she requires a license then why shouldn't the Indies? I take great issue to the fact anyone can take a cell phone pic, throw up an on line ad and call themselves a Service Provider/Escort/Prostitute. Most have no customer service skills, business administration acumen or established ethical protocol in place and that reflects badly on the women who take the time, effort and $ to make this a genuine career choice. These women often don't understand the health and safety aspects of the trade, they certainly don't have the necessary skills or self esteem to handle the battering ram they get hit with full force when it comes to men who intentionally hunt the young and inexperienced. They bring to the table an instability that this industry really can't afford while putting themselves in situations they have no clue how to handle. If they had to walk into city hall with ID and a criminal background check to get a business license it would be a service to us all.

I, for one, miss the days of well run agencies where I didn't have to deal with the day to day administration which is more time consuming than most realize. My agencies earned every penny of the 50/50 split they took. I made more money working for agencies than I do being Indie for the amount of time and effort I invest. If you're going to do something, then do it right...

cat

[blazejowski 436]

There --are-- no reputable agencies in Winnipeg, that's the point - that's why we have so many indy girls....

[Horndog66 14104]

There --are-- no reputable agencies in Winnipeg, that's the point - that's why we have so many indy girls....

Right on the money, Blaze!! Winnipeg agencies are stuck in the 1970s, when it was common everywhere to bait 'n' switch, upsell and generally rip clients off. To them, one hour is only as long as it takes the client to cum once. Today's Winnipeg pooners are aware that all the local agencies are to be avoided. The local agencies survive only by ripping off visiting, late night drunks.

 

I don't know where Cat is from, but she must be from a city like Montreal or Toronto, where there are many reputable agencies that hire quality ladies who provide excellent service at fair prices, with no extra crap. Several other cities, especially Winnipeg. Regina and Saskatoon have no agencies like that.

 

I feel no sympathy whatsoever for that whining agency owner. Besides, the total cost of licensing is about $6K per year. That's about $120 per week, and is far less than one hour's revenue.

[Guest W***ledi*Time]

Yup, it's the usual long-running word-play in Canadian cities' by-laws. If you hold an "escort" or "escort agency" license, you are agreeing that you're not providing sexual services. Alice in Wonderland logic.

 

In Winnipeg's case, the prohibitions in the by-law (91/2008) are: no exposure of genitals or breasts, and no advertising sex or nudity: http://www.winnipeg.ca/clkdmis/DocExt/ViewDoc.asp?DocumentTypeId=1&DocId=4222.

 

It logically follows that anyone who is providing sexual services is not an "escort" per the city's definition. Therefore, providers of sexual services are not only not required to hold an escort license, they simply cannot legitimately do so while providing sexual services.

 

This commonplace scenario is driven, of course, by the fact that the city cannot encroach on federal jurisdiction by licensing an illegal activity (R. v. Hrabchak, for example, ruled that "no license of any sort is available to carry on prostitution". Discussion of this court case: http://ecommons.uwinnipeg.ca/bitstream/handle/10680/358/sexandcity.pdf).

 

If the federal Criminal Code is eventually changed regarding Bawdy Houses and Living on the Avails, that's when municipalities could possibly begin to legitimately regulate such things. But until then, the dance of euphemistic double-speak will continue, with the holders of escort licenses and the municipalities implicitly agreeing between themselves to mutually pretend that there's no sex involved in being an "escort".

[Boomer 33202]

If they had to walk into city hall with ID and a criminal background check to get a business license it would be a service to us all.

 

Number one she's investing in her business and I think this is beneficial to the client. It shows that she is accountable and a local resident. It seems that with so much competition there are an awful lot of women coming to Ottawa for short visits and competing at cutthroat prices and I'm not sure I'd be comfortable seeing them from both a health and safety point of view. Some I would suspect of doing drugs or being coerced.

 

I think some form of regulation makes for better stability, and could be self regulating or the government will eventually step in.

[Horndog66 14104]

Number one she's investing in her business and I think this is beneficial to the client. It shows that she is accountable and a local resident. It seems that with so much competition there are an awful lot of women coming to Ottawa for short visits and competing at cutthroat prices and I'm not sure I'd be comfortable seeing them from both a health and safety point of view. Some I would suspect of doing drugs or being coerced.

 

I think some form of regulation makes for better stability, and could be self regulating or the government will eventually step in.

Boomer, you obviously didn't read most of the posts from Winnipeggers! This thread is about a recent "news" clip on CTV Winnipeg, not Ottawa. The agencies here are crap! They are most certainly not beneficial to their clients - they see their clients as horny, drunken rubes with fat wallets ripe for the picking. And, as stated earlier, the politicians will never admit to regulating prostitution, whether or not they do so in reality.

[cat 262460]

This is a chicken/egg situation. Agencies can't attract quality providers if the phone doesn't ring, clients don't like to call if there are no quality providers. If clients aren't willing to stand up for quality by refusing B+S and time running by communicating this to the phone person and just resort to using unqualified Indies then they feed the cycle. Agencies earn their $ by teaching the new girls the industry, it's like the internship of our industry. Hold the agency accountable and they will learn.

 

I cut my teeth in Toronto but spent the bulk of my career in a small southern US city that is as country hillbilly as you can get. When I started the city price standard was $90/hh and $150/h. I would sometimes have to drive 90 mins for an hh appt and there was no driving fee so I made $45. I was always as busy as the phones were but the agencies weren't professional in the hours that the phones were answered so if the phone girl was busy, I didn't work. Complaints were common from clients about the quality of service and providers but because of LE and the agency's inherent unreliability; good girls steered clear of the city entirely. There was no verification of clients and I never knew if I was walking into a LE sting or not; I had to rely on instinct with every new guest. I did this for years and paid the bills with little left over at the end of the month but learned the craft of developing regulars so cut down on the number of new guests I had to see, lessening the risk of running into LE.

 

Then a provider set up shop who answered her phones 24/7. She charged $200/h, no hh's, verified out the ass to ensure they weren't LE and took no bullshit from clients which started attracting quality providers. Our rates rose because the demand was there and we were the only professional game in town.

 

The key to remember is that a good provider will make money no matter how bad the agency is and it only takes one good provider to put an agency on its feet initially. Agent/provider is a symbiotic relationship that will grow if there is adequate $ and a willingness to spend it in the area. While there may be no quality agencies in Winnipeg, I've heard from local escorts out west that the industry is very poorly based (like the East Coast) which is why I've never visited. I judge the viability and potential of a city for local providers by the frequency in which the travelling girls are willing to visit it. My "allowable bullshit factor" is fairly low so the Canadian midwest isn't high on the to do list except if I go fishing...

 

cat

[rexx 531]

Not really buying your chicken egg theory the people that run agencies in Wpg are all thieves they don't need people calling in and complaining they know they're ripping customers off they have no interest in improving the situation. Not sure how winnipeg compares to other markets but travelling SP numbers are up about 1000% in the last couple of years so there must be some attraction if anything Wpg pooners seems more than willing to pay top dollar for rotten service it seems to be driving the market in the opposite direction where fees are going up and service is going down.

[RICOSUAVE75 110]

Not trying to sound like an A-hole but Cat, you need to read what we pooners from winnipeg are trying to say! The Agencies here are SHADY and full of B S!!!! All they do is RIP us off with the bait and switch. They tax the schmuck who don't know any better and the quality of the girls are crap!!!

[Angus Podgorny 1361]

Not trying to sound like an A-hole but Cat, you need to read what we pooners from winnipeg are trying to say! The Agencies here are SHADY and full of B S!!!! All they do is RIP us off with the bait and switch. They tax the schmuck who don't know any better and the quality of the girls are crap!!!

Really in fact I think there are only one or two agencies in town. Multiple phone numbers are decieving.

[Guest Sno****54]

Cat, I don't think here is a poor industrie.Most of Winnipeg pooners are looking for excelence service, and, if the escort is good, she quickly can create a well stablished base of regulars.It is valid for trarvelling escorts, as well. It's easy to check for yourself: on EC advertisements, you can see how good travelling SP always are returning to Winnipeg because they built a good reputation by providing oustanding companion.Some of those SP belong to two well-known agencies while some of them are indies. Sps as Nikita, Alisa, or Roksi are superbe and they charge accordingly (higher than standard visiting escorts), and it aparently works since they visit Winnipeg every single month. Travelling Indies are coming too, especially a flood of French Canadian escorts with similar result. The best of them always back. So, Cat, you should come here to be tested for Winnipeg pooners.

[DeeperConnection 19567]

I attempted to work for a winnipeg agency before going indie. There exact words were the sky is the limit. If another girl worked a pooner out of several hundred dollars it was expected that i did as well, or i was stealing cash. They also expected me to work 11pm til 11am only, and the agency fee was 160.... The phone never rang which is understandable. IMHO, he ran his buisness into ground with greed and unreasonable expectations.

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[ladyluck 10787]

I hear you deeper. After me & a very well liked girl left EB/TO, we decided to look through the yellow pages. Can't even remember the name of the agency. It was located on Notre Dame close to Arlington. Was in what looked like a store but with blacked out windows. But with the vibe we got on the phone while talking to them about hiring, we were iffy.But they talked about the amazing money to be made & they were very busy.

So we drove over there walked in. Was a huge room with couches and girls all sprawled out watching T.V. They didn't even have the curtesy to move & sit up to offer us a seat. There were a few bedrooms down a hall on the way to the kitchen. I believe they brought in traveling girls & they slept & stayed there. My g/f & I walked down to 7-11 to grab some food and stretch our legs, cause the 2 hours sitting on the floor waiting for the phone to ring we were getting cramped up. When we returned we sat back on the floor to nibble on what we'd bought & were screamed at by this big ass butch lady named Sky to eat in the kitchen & that's 100.00 fine for for eating where we were. Holy crap. Went to the kitchen ate our food said screw this & walked out. Was barely in my front door the phone was ringing they were asking us why we left & we didn't even give it a chance. I said the phone rang one time in 2 1/2 hrs. I don't call that busy. Plus this other very butchy girl that also ran the place took the call & the appointment. The other girls just looked so unimpressed and like lumps bored to death on the couch. It was an awful experience. I didn't see how anyone was making money other then the one answering the phone when the Sky lady wasn't & then taking the appt. She didn't even give the fella on the other end much of an option by the way she was talking to him on the phone. I swear to god if I was a man & she showed up I'd have sent her away, like I said very butchy, zero class. Wore jeans & T-shirt to the appt. I thought if this is how they run agencies in Winnipeg, Thanks, But no thanks. Shortly after that her and I came over here to EC, and have prospered & flourished since. I wish I could take those 2 1/2 hours back lol.

I do know it was a well known agency, Could have been Joanne's or possibly Linda & ladies. This too was many years ago. I think I blocked it out on purpose lol.

[blazejowski 436]

I hear you deeper. After me & a very well liked girl left EB/TO, we decided to look through the yellow pages. Can't even remember the name of the agency. It was located on Notre Dame close to Arlington. Was in what looked like a store but with blacked out windows. But with the vibe we got on the phone while talking to them about hiring, we were iffy.But they talked about the amazing money to be made & they were very busy.

So we drove over there walked in. Was a huge room with couches and girls all sprawled out watching T.V. They didn't even have the curtesy to move & sit up to offer us a seat. There were a few bedrooms down a hall on the way to the kitchen. I believe they brought in traveling girls & they slept & stayed there. My g/f & I walked down to 7-11 to grab some food and stretch our legs, cause the 2 hours sitting on the floor waiting for the phone to ring we were getting cramped up. When we returned we sat back on the floor to nibble on what we'd bought & were screamed at by this big ass butch lady named Sky to eat in the kitchen & that's 100.00 fine for for eating where we were. Holy crap. Went to the kitchen ate our food said screw this & walked out. Was barely in my front door the phone was ringing they were asking us why we left & we didn't even give it a chance. I said the phone rang one time in 2 1/2 hrs. I don't call that busy. Plus this other very butchy girl that also ran the place took the call & the appointment. The other girls just looked so unimpressed and like lumps bored to death on the couch. It was an awful experience. I didn't see how anyone was making money other then the one answering the phone when the Sky lady wasn't & then taking the appt. She didn't even give the fella on the other end much of an option by the way she was talking to him on the phone. I swear to god if I was a man & she showed up I'd have sent her away, like I said very butchy, zero class. Wore jeans & T-shirt to the appt. I thought if this is how they run agencies in Winnipeg, Thanks, But no thanks. Shortly after that her and I came over here to EC, and have prospered & flourished since. I wish I could take those 2 1/2 hours back lol.

I do know it was a well known agency, Could have been Joanne's or possibly Linda & ladies. This too was many years ago. I think I blocked it out on purpose lol.

 

Yikes... I don't blame you for blocking that out....

[DeeperConnection 19567]

The place i had to work nights at was notre dame and portage. And sometimes they would call me when i was asleep at home, telling me to be ready in ten mins. I never did end up having a sucessful call from them, lol. Glad i decided to do indie seeing as everytime i did contact an agency they werent overly interested in seeing me or having me work for them. Am happy with that now though.

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