Are incalls risky?

[roamingguy 300292]

Do they ask you why your there? What should I say?

 

In my experience no. And I've been to more than a few major chains. Hotels are in the business of providing rooms to people. They'd be out of business very soon if questioning every single potential patron. The most I've got is are you here for business or pleasure. Your there to get a room. That is the business they are in. But if concerned, have a made up story. House being painted, seeing family/friends in the city...well use your imagination. Definitely don't say you are there to see an escort LOL

But a hotel asking you why you are there, well that would be like a restaurant asking you why you want to eat.

Just don't act suspicious, remember, you have a right to be there, and outcalls (seeing an escort in your room) is legal

RG

[fortunateone 156618]

I have been seeing escorts outcalls in hotels for a long while. Nobody asks me why I am there when I check in, though sometimes (when it is my first time in that hotel) they ask me why I leave so early (I check out 2-3 hours after I check in and that arises some questions). I just remind them that I am paying the full fee (I guess they suspect I check out early to avoid paying in full), or they just ask to make sure that everything has been okay with the room. Seeing escorts outcalls is legal as we speak so nothing will happen if you are caught as long as no illegal activities like drugs are taking place.

 

PS - This is for 4 or 5 star hotels. I don't have experience with 2-3 star hotels or motels.

 

 

 

Have you considered a day rate, rather than a full day rate? If you are not going to be there overnight, check out what they offer for part of the day. It isn't that unusual.

[Cowboy kenny 50799]

Of course Incalls are risky, you could get hit by a bus or a car, fall down a manhole, get a parking ticket or stuck in an elevator.

 

If you are seeing a professional and established provider who understands the definition and reason for discretion then you will be fine, so long as you don't get hit by a bus or a car, fall down a manhole, get a parking ticket or stuck in an elevator.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

Have you considered a day rate, rather than a full day rate? If you are not going to be there overnight, check out what they offer for part of the day. It isn't that unusual.

 

I don't think there are any day rate hotels in Ottawa. I have researched that and none found.

 

Incalls are risky if .............

On another note from non-legal point of view incalls are also risky if you see non-established providers especially those on BP. I have read recent cases where a hobbyist wants to leave (because of B & S or she was out of it or sick) and his way out is blocked by drunk/drug addict provider demanding money or even threatening to call the police. I also read about another recent case when 10 minutes into the session a guy started banging hard on the door where hobbyist had to run out of the back door (scam). For these cases outcalls are even more risky if you receive at home. My advice is not to do incalls unless it is with an established provider/agency but I may be too cautious. But if you wish to see unknown providers on BP do plenty of research before deciding incall or if outcall to your home.

[Dorinda Bloom 44036]

Without naming specifics, there are some Choice Privileges hotels that offer day rates in Ottawa. But this chain is not a 4 or 5 star, more like a 3.

 

I don't think there are any day rate hotels in Ottawa. I have researched that and none found.

 

Incalls are risky if .............

On another note from non-legal point of view incalls are also risky if you see non-established providers especially those on BP. I have read recent cases where a hobbyist wants to leave (because of B & S or she was out of it or sick) and his way out is blocked by drunk/drug addict provider demanding money or even threatening to call the police. I also read about another recent case when 10 minutes into the session a guy started banging hard on the door where hobbyist had to run out of the back door (scam). For these cases outcalls are even more risky if you receive at home. My advice is not to do incalls unless it is with an established provider/agency but I may be too cautious. But if you wish to see unknown providers on BP do plenty of research before deciding incall or if outcall to your home.

[fortunateone 156618]

I don't think there are any day rate hotels in Ottawa. I have researched that and none found.

 

Incalls are risky if .............

On another note from non-legal point of view incalls are also risky if you see non-established providers especially those on BP. I have read recent cases where a hobbyist wants to leave (because of B & S or she was out of it or sick) and his way out is blocked by drunk/drug addict provider demanding money or even threatening to call the police. I also read about another recent case when 10 minutes into the session a guy started banging hard on the door where hobbyist had to run out of the back door (scam). For these cases outcalls are even more risky if you receive at home. My advice is not to do incalls unless it is with an established provider/agency but I may be too cautious. But if you wish to see unknown providers on BP do plenty of research before deciding incall or if outcall to your home.

 

 

I would say the risks are minimal compared to the number of sps who do outcalls and get ripped off in some way, or assaulted. The examples you give are really isolated incidents. Reminds me of those Urban Legends, everyone knows a story like this. Does it happen? Not nearly as often as some would believe, or spread the rumours. In over a decade, I've met only two people who have had something like this happen. One of those guys has seen literally hundreds of different sps, all of whom advertise on CL or BP or other free ad sites.

 

 

Oh wait, I'm one of those terrible awful rip off high risk bp advertisers who will only offer private incalls, never at a hotel/motel.

 

So maybe don't listen to a word I say on this matter.

 

:D

[Cleo Catra 178382]

I once spoke to the police about what I do, and about working in hotels.

 

What they told me: what I do, and what I do in hotels is NOT illegal. At all. I even said I thought it was in a way - they told me I needed to re-read my laws.

 

So. No. I do not think incalls are risky, at all. Not sure what risk there could be, because it's not against the law...soo...relax! Have fun! Get laid! :D

[LeeRichards 177238]

I once spoke to the police about what I do, and about working in hotels.

 

What they told me: what I do, and what I do in hotels is NOT illegal. At all. I even said I thought it was in a way - they told me I needed to re-read my laws.

 

So. No. I do not think incalls are risky, at all. Not sure what risk there could be, because it's not against the law...soo...relax! Have fun! Get laid! :D

 

Funny I used to go and stay at a hotel for whatever reason, fork over the money for a room, go to the lounge and fork over money, spend a few minutes in the room....shower and change clothes and go out to restaurant and fork over money, then probably hit a store or two and fork over money, go to the bar and fork over money and never enjoy the hotel room, I leave with a headache, not relaxed, not laid and hated hotels...ha

 

The last couple years I go to hotels, relax, have fun and get laid !!! ;) heh heh Yay for incalls ;)

[websurfer 680]

Well I have learned alot and it's greatly appreciated. I like the legal factor involved with going with a hotel and outcall but since I can't afford it I now understand if I see an established sp off like escorts Canada or so that they know what there doing compared to any girl that can post pictures up on these other places.

 

Additional Comments:

I once spoke to the police about what I do, and about working in hotels.

 

What they told me: what I do, and what I do in hotels is NOT illegal. At all. I even said I thought it was in a way - they told me I needed to re-read my laws.

 

So. No. I do not think incalls are risky, at all. Not sure what risk there could be, because it's not against the law...soo...relax! Have fun! Get laid! :D

 

I got confused with your post because it said you talked to police about what you do in hotels (outcalls), then you said you don't think incalls are risky but you didn't mention you talked to him about incalls? think I'm missing something

[Cleo Catra 178382]

I got confused with your post because it said you talked to police about what you do in hotels (outcalls), then you said you don't think incalls are risky but you didn't mention you talked to him about incalls? think I'm missing something

 

I didn't say I spoke with police about doing outcalls - I spoke with police about what I do in hotels, which are incalls. And the police explicitly told me that was I was doing (offering incalls from a hotel), was not illegal.

[igab 5629]

I was nervous my first incall visit too. Cleo is right. Relax. Police are not interested in this activity. Do your research and see a quality provider. Well reviewed lady on this board is highly recommended for your first.

I once bumped into a colleague on my way up to see an SP in a local hotel, bottle of wine in hand. To his quizzical look I said "got a call from an old friend who's in town just going up for a visit. "

Relax, stay calm and act normal and all will be well.

[Athos 108589]

I didn't say I spoke with police about doing outcalls - I spoke with police about what I do in hotels, which are incalls. And the police explicitly told me that was I was doing (offering incalls from a hotel), was not illegal.

 

I'd be careful about relying on a police officer's interpretation of the law. You would think they'd know, but frequently they don't.

 

Outcalls ... where the client has the SP come to his place of residence or hotel room, are perfectly legal in Canada. No issues at all.

 

Incalls, where the client goes to the SPs location, even where it is a hotel room, may be a violation of the keeping a common bawdy house provisions of the Criminal Code.

 

Those provisions basically say that the keeping of the bawdy house (a location where prostitution takes place) is against the law. In theory it doesn't matter if that is your actual residence. It doesn't have to be a separate place kept only for the purposes of your business. Similarly, it can be a hotel room, even if you don't use the same hotel room, or same hotel, all the time.

 

There are actually cases of hotel owners being prosecuted because they knowingly let SPs use rooms in their hotel, but those cases are really old and reflect a very dated morality (1910s and 20s)

 

The thing is, it becomes very difficult to prove these things, especially against independent SPs. The transactions all take place behind closed doors,and unless there are other reasons for complaints ...drugs, unruly behaviour, underage girls, pimping, etc. the police generally are not interested in incalls. Often, massage parlours, because of the volume of business, and locations in residential neighborhoods with high volume, often attract the attention of the police and this may result in bawdy house charges being laid.

 

But, one should be aware ... technically under our current prostitution laws incalls are a violation of the criminal code. And there is the provision that being "found in" a common bawdy house is also against the law.

 

Having said all of that ... I almost exclusively do incalls, and have never felt worried or concerned in the least. An independent SP, in a discrete apartment tower/condominium complex or large busy hotel, is ideal. Stay away from sketchy hotels!

[Phaedrus 209521]

An addendum to Porthos' post above; it should be noted that the bawdy-house law has been struck down in Ontario, and the whole thing is now going to the Supreme Court... so the law at the moment can probably be best described as "uncertain".

 

But even before that, nobody was interested in prosecuting it unless there were other reasons for doing so (drugs, underage or trafficked SPs, complaints from neighbors, etc). Visiting an incall has always been a bit like driving at 101 on the highway; technically illegal, but nobody gives a damn.

[Cleo Catra 178382]

An addendum to Porthos' post above; it should be noted that the bawdy-house law has been struck down in Ontario

 

This is what the police reiterated to me, and told me to re-read my law. Because at the time, I thought it was still illegal. Turns out I was wrong.

[Athos 108589]

An addendum to Porthos' post above; it should be noted that the bawdy-house law has been struck down in Ontario, and the whole thing is now going to the Supreme Court... so the law at the moment can probably be best described as "uncertain".

 

But even before that, nobody was interested in prosecuting it unless there were other reasons for doing so (drugs, underage or trafficked SPs, complaints from neighbors, etc). Visiting an incall has always been a bit like driving at 101 on the highway; technically illegal, but nobody gives a damn.

 

Quite right Phaedrus ... and there is lot's of uncertainty. I don't think it's totally clear which provinces are still willing to enforce the bawdy house provisions and which are just not bothering. But as you rightly say, there never has been much interest in doing so other than in cases where there is other illegality ... drugs, etc.

 

Porthos

[Kathryn Bardot 99339]

An addendum to Porthos' post above; it should be noted that the bawdy-house law has been struck down in Ontario, and the whole thing is now going to the Supreme Court... so the law at the moment can probably be best described as "uncertain".

Technically the old laws are still in effect while it is being appealed, but you'd be hard-pressed to find police charging someone with this offence unless there is other kinds of activity going on.

[fortunateone 156618]

Technically the old laws are still in effect while it is being appealed, but you'd be hard-pressed to find police charging someone with this offence unless there is other kinds of activity going on.

 

 

Yes, they put a stay on the law, for a year, and that doesn't expire until March 2013 I believe. So the laws are still the laws. I think one of the laws (affecting non-exploitive paid relationships ?) has expired so it may be legal to pay security/drivers.

 

I can't imagine why the police officer would say go read the laws, when they are clearly giving out wrong information. But it doesn't surprise me. The whole point of the challenge was that there was absolutely NO way for any sp to work out of any location where she was the one in it and clients come to her. Even in a hotel room. Heck if a client sees multiple sps in his own residence, there is a chance he too could face charges of bawdy house. (habitual use? lol )

 

IT doesn't even make sense that LE advice would even suggest that providing multiple appts (and far more likely to see far more appts) in a hotel room wouldn't make that room a bawdy house under the law. It isn't any different at all for an sp to provide at an mp (place of business in private rooms) than a hotel room (private rooms)

 

But if that is the sort of advice the police give out, then definitely carry on because at least you know they won't investigate and lay charges. It goes a long way to helping me understand why so many sps in Ontario think that it is OK to rent hotel rooms rather than use their own residence or rent an actual apartment (far less costly, and far easier to work more efficiently and safely). It's practically unheard of here for indy sps to run around booking hotel rooms to the extent they do in say Toronto, which often makes it sound like at some hotels there could be 2 dozen different sps in there lol

[Cleo Catra 178382]

I guess I should have re-read my laws, so I would have realized the cop wasn't completely correct!

[websurfer 680]

I didn't say I spoke with police about doing outcalls - I spoke with police about what I do in hotels, which are incalls. And the police explicitly told me that was I was doing (offering incalls from a hotel), was not illegal.

 

oh I see, sorry about that, I was thinking for some reason that the gentleman had the hotel and you seeing him which is why I was thinking of outcall.

[Cleo Catra 178382]

Don't confuse police with lawyers, their knowledge of the law is not meant to be comprehensive. We have courts, lawyers and judges to round out the justice system. Junior officers largely do what they are told and often can be wrong on some things.

 

Thanks for the advice, but I wasn't confusing anything, and I most definitely have never confused a cop with a lawyer.

 

I mentioned my conversation with the police simply as a way to assure the OP that incalls are not risky. Not to say that the cops are the end word on the law. But to say that the cops DON'T CARE. As far as the cops here are concerned, it's not illegal anymore.

 

The bawdy house law was declared unconstitional in March. 12 months from that date, it will be completely invalid. And from the mouths of the cops I spoke to myself, it's already gone. So no, incalls are not risky. That's all I was trying to say.

[fortunateone 156618]

In any case, I think the main thing is in terms is something risky or not is different from being legal or not.

 

NO risk: Most agree, and experience reassures this, that a single sp working out of her own location/apartment is technically illegal, but definitely not risky.

 

Low risk: an indy sp using a hotel room for an incall. Low risk because unless the hotel management is in on it (full knowledge of what is going on), they could easily be alerted to the high traffick and have to evict the sp on short notice, or call LE to investigate. A rejected client has the potential of complaining to front desk. She is working with too many potential complications.

 

Medium risk: Any sps or MAs working out of a massage parlour or spa (unless it holds a body rub license) is very high risk if she/they provide more than a hj service. These are more likely to have regular LE visits, and the potential for charges for all who are inside at the time of a raid. Again, experience and history (and news stories) prove this is true. The reason it isn't high risk is because I would say the majority of cities LE decide that these are safe places to work and employ legal (citizens and legal age), and that they can visit to confirm the sps working there are legal. They would still prefer the sps work in a safer environment, not coerced, trafficked or underage.

 

 

High risk: Any multiple person set up sharing one incall location that is a residence (like a condo or house) with multiple sps, and a handler as well, is 1000% risky, and anyone going to or inside at the time of a raid is far more likely to see far more serious charges. Primarily the person 'in charge' is facing more than just being in a bawdy house. Clients who make a habit of frequenting these places are far more likely to be recorded by LE during surveillance. They may not be around when it gets shut down, but think about just knowing that someone was watching, recording, filming or photographing your comings and goings.

[Guest as*r]

Quick question here. If an sp is very well known (for great service and providing a safe incall location with no drugs, multiple workers etc) and respected with great reviews and all, do you think that her being well known will place her as a larger target for the police or will it have the opposite effect, speaking in terms of the risk of incalls at her location.

 

For example would the police think since she is not doing other illegal activities, her and her clients should be left alone by law enforcement, or would they every think that since she is well known in the city they want to make and example and bust her and her clients and tell the news and the whole bit?

[mod 135640]

Has nothing to do with reputation. Police act on public complaints.

[Guest as*r]

Oh so in the case that they know of a private sp who minds their own business they dont generally ever just go and make and example of them or anything like that due to political pressure or something?

[mod 135640]

... to say "dont generally ever just go and make and example of them" well I am sure it happens but something has to usually lead up to that.

 

In some cities (Winnipeg, Calgary, Windsor, Etc...) they have by-laws and they find ads in papers and online, make appointments and show up (sometimes with uniform police officers to make the ladies really panic - it's a bulling technique they seam to use in these cities to scare away the ladies).

 

In most cities this never happens but something always leads up to it. A complaint usually from a neighbor or a ex-boyfriend, etc...

 

See with the laws we have in Canada (Federal criminal code laws) the police must investigate a common bawdy house (a place used regularly for the purpose of prostitution) in order to have a case against a SP's they need to prove that without a reasonable doubt that the place is a brothel of some kind (bawdy house) and right now in Ontario the law on bawdy houses is being questioned as a judge in Toronto has asked for the law to be revised as it takes the ladies rights away making a unsafe environment.

 

A strip-club or a massage spa that is offering "Sexual extra's" that is open without appointment to the public is an easy investigation (and therefore much higher risk)

 

With the criminal code law up in the air right now for living off the avails and common bawdy house and all that stuff.... I highly doubt any police are doing any investigations on private appointment only low traffic incalls unless they are human trafficking or complaints of anything else illegal at the same premises. (I could be wrong but common sense says this would be the case right now as no one knows how the laws will be change)

 

As for the laws changing... they could make it fully illegal like the USA or they could remove the restrictions on bawdy houses and let each municipality by-law zoning and such like they do with MP's and Stripclubs. (I don't know what would be worse to be honest as I see municipalities taking full advantage of by-law zoning, licencing, hours of opperations, etc... if the laws are changed to decriminalize the living off the avails law. Once it is LEGAL for municipalities to LICENSE and ZONE prostitution I am sure most cities will take FULL advantage of that - This would scare off a lot of ladies from going legit cause they would probably need police checks, public records of working as a prostitute, regular sti/std checks, large licensing fee's, forced hours of operation, etc... - Like the brothels in nevada.... and that drives up costs so the hourly rates will also go sky high in many areas - just like vegas and nevada). ... but I am just speculating... we will see and this is really a hijack of this thread and should be a completely different thread. Sorry.