Ymmv what does that mean to you?

[Guest]

What does ymmv mean to you? A conversation from another thread had me wondering about this. To me it means that small natural things might effect your service. For example a gentleman's service may be effected because he is not properly groomed. Ymmv may mean that a connection will not be established between sp and client. To me ymmv means smalls things might effect your service.

 

Ymmv does not give an excuse to give a poor service or is an excuse to treat a client badly. It is just a term to describe that the service may not be the same for everyone due to small hick ups that naturally happen.

 

So, what are your thoughts on this subject?

[CristyCurves 169032]

I interpret ymmv the same as Peachy. With some clients because of chemistry, the service given may go beyond ones guidelines, expectations, because there is a deeper, hotter connection with some more than others.One may not be able to be as passionate with some as well because of grooming, or perhaps other non expected issues, hence ymmv. Of course open discussions are important before any session begins so there are no hurt feelings or misunderstandings, after all we all want our gentlemen completely satisfied.

[Nathalie L 112512]

I mentioned YMMV in a thread called Loyalty Program posted by the lovely Jessica Lee. YMMV was also mentioned in the thread about Male Pubic Hair in the Ottawa discussion.

 

I've never thought of YMMV as something negative, or something that might effect your service in the way you've mentioned above. YMMV has much more positive connotation for me. I've never really thought about male pubic hair, or YMMV being used in a way to describe those small hick-ups. Surely they occur, but often I negotiate this with my patrons as I go along and we get to know each other better.

 

For example, I once had a client who booked late night appointments usually around 10:00 p.m. At this point, his 'five o'clock shadow' was rather intense and I remember after one raunchy make out session my face was burning! I didn't notice it at the time, but the following day my entire chin was peeling. I sent him an e-mail and asked whether it would be reasonable to provide him with a razor and shaving cream for our next appointment. He apologized profusely and promptly shaved upon his arrival at our next rendez-vous. Is that YMMV? I'm not sure.

 

YMMV definitely isn't an excuse to give 'poor service' or treat clients badly. YMMV is a negotiation process between lovers. Has YMMV been used in other ways? I'm curious!

 

A lot of people have YMMV in the description on their recommendation thread, for example. I always thought it was a good thing?

[roamingguy 300292]

To me ymmv means first, things like hygiene. A lady is much more likely to be intimate with a gentleman who is clean versus one who is dirty Case in point. Kissing. It may be offered as a menu item. But should a guy have bad breath, or cigarette breath (if he smokes) the lady would imho be within her rights to refuse to kiss him. Or another example, she may offer digits. But if the guy's hands are covered in grease, like he just finished working on a car, I don't think he should expect digits.

It can also mean that intangible, chemistry. A lady might offer a GFE experience. But there is very much a interpersonal chemistry/click to that service. If the lady and gentleman do not click, maybe the guy is too shy to relax and talk, it's kinda hard to offer a GFE. It doesn't mean sexual services denied. But the encounter would likely become just about sex, and in my experience, a GFE is about much more than just sex. It can also mean, in the case of a GFE, a large part of that is social/conversation. How intimate (in the broadest sense of the word) the conversation becomes depends on how much the lady/gentleman are willing to open up, which is more a case of trust. A lady shouldn't expect a man to completely open up or a man shouldn't expect a lady to completely open up on the first date. But if the client becomes a repeat, much more trust develops, and more intimate personal conversations occur, because it becomes more like two friends together, not a SP meeting a client

Also, it can mean how a guy treats a lady. Showing up intoxicated/high. I think most guys can expect their encounter terminated. And likewise, if the guy is abusive, verbally or otherwise, the encounter is terminated

Just because a gentleman is paying the lady for an encounter, doesn't mean he owns her for that time or is entitled to do whatever he wants.

The acts performed are still between two consenting adults. And ymmv an industry standard, means irrespective of what is offered on a menu, it allows the lady to consent to an act on an individual basis. One client may be a gentleman, the next an unhygienic rude and ignorant man. Should both be treated equally. And finally, if the gentleman in scheduling an encounter has any specific enquiries, he should ask the lady at that time. There is no way a lady can envision every circumstance that may arise, the gentleman has to know more about himself than the lady. He should bring up anything that might be of issue prior to the encounter.

In short, ymmv means irrespective of menu offerings, that those menu offerings may be offered in an encounter, not a guarantee that they will be offered. And irrespective that a gentleman is paying for an encounter, doesn't mean he is buying and entitled to do what he wants with the lady. It still has to be consensual between two adults, and forcing the lady to do something she doesn't want to do isn't consensual. And I don't see it as a negative. It just means the prospective client is aware ahead of time that there isn't a guarantee of services, but for the clients who are the best clients they can be, there are services they may experience

At least that's how I see it

RG

[Guest]

ymmv is not a bad thing at all. It just means to me that on a person to person basis that some of the services may not be offered due to circumstances. Hick ups do occur. Like roamingguy expressed about the guy with greasy hands should not expect digits. I doesn't mean that these services will always be unavailable. It just might mean that the next time this greasy hand guy will have to wash his hand really good before seeing his escort of choice.

 

I do think the ymmv is an standard of expressing that not everyone will experience the same service for whatever reason. It is not a negative thing, it is just a way of expressing that. As a matter of fact I wouldn't want every encounter to be the same anyways. That's the fun of meeting new and interesting people.

[mrrnice2 157005]

Your mileage may vary is such an intangible. Some of the things previously mentioned are of course a part of it, but I think of things such as showing respect, arriving in a neat and presentable manner, having good health habits relating to cleanliness and the like as automatic givens. These are things that just 'are'.

 

My perspective on it is more in the area of personal connection and personal sharing. When a lady is comfortable enough with me to relax and engage in meaningful conversation on a wide range of topics then that is where the YMMV is applicable. I suppose that a sexual encounter of one sort or another is pretty well understood but when it can be so much more than just that the encounter reaches an entirely new and better level.

 

To me, that is what ymmv is all about.

[roamingguy 300292]

I should have added one thing. Sometimes services offered just can't be performed. Case in point, msog. Well maybe for a young buck msog it is a viable menu option. But for some old guy, like myself, msog, well it just ain't going to happen. I'm happy with one shot on goal, hell doesn't even have to be on goal, just one shot LOL. Point making, some services available on a menu, just realistically ain't going to happen.

And although not an official term, but I've coined it KCC (kissing, cuddling, conversation, seems to fit in with the GFE). I thoroughly enjoy and find pleasure lying in bed with a lady, holding one another, just kissing and talking. Something done post sex, and something I find very intimate. My guess, someone younger, wouldn't be as focused on KCC (I may be wrong) and instead waiting for more sex. My point here, ymmv also is very much dependent on client's interests, and not being interested/able for some menu items seems to me to be part of ymmv

Another rambling

RG

[ace881 295]

YMMV means better looking guys get better GFE. Maybe its a bit negative to say so, but its true at least in some instances

[Guest]

YMMV means better looking guys get better GFE. Maybe its a bit negative to say so, but its true at least in some instances

 

Not at all, for me anyway. I go for personality in this industry over looks. A gentleman is a gentleman. A good gentleman deserves a good gfe experience no matter his shape, size or looks. It might sound cliche but that's how I feel about that.

[aubreyxxx 20240]

Not at all, for me anyway. I go for personality in this industry over looks. A gentleman is a gentleman. A good gentleman deserves a good gfe experience no matter his shape, size or looks. It might sound cliche but that's how I feel about that.

 

I completely agree Peachy, in an industry where you get a wide spectrum of all types of clients both physically, respectively, and in every was possible every single encounter is a new experience. My true GFE is based on the respect, consideration, understanding and communication I have with that client. If he is a true gentlemen throughout our encounter than I am going to rock his world with a sincere GFE because nothing turns me on more than having someone who is respectful especially while providing such intimate services :)

[Ashley Ann 75247]

For me it is pretty basic...

 

Poor dental hygiene (this includes bad breath such as whatever you ate the night before or that day and cigarettes) and/or cold sores = NO KISSING / NO DATY

 

I once had an out call and the client had a big ol cold sore on his bottom lip-had to leave because he said the no kissing thing was a deal breaker-worked out well as his big mouth sore was a deal breaker for me too :) True story...

 

Dirty fingernails-Long fingernails-Hands with multiple scrapes and or cuts = NO DIGITS and you wont have a chance to touch or play with my her ;)

 

Shitty and/or Cocky attitude-So far have been really lucky, I am rather selective about who I see, this has helped weed out alot of individuals who would not passs my YMMV list. TALKING not texting can tell you so much IMHO

[Guest jake_cdn]

I find that having a simply reference to "YMMV" in your profile can often be taken as a negative for clients.

 

I know that this is not the case with the majority of people on this site and YMMV is used so the SP can restrict certain services that are offered in her profile based on all of the reasons that are mentioned above.

 

From a client perspective it should be handled with a simple verification of the meaning with the SP. Once again, most people on this site are open to these questions and understand the need for clarification prior to booking an appointment.

 

The use of YMMV should protect the SP and hopefully everyone can accept that.

[roamingguy 300292]

YMMV means better looking guys get better GFE. Maybe its a bit negative to say so, but its true at least in some instances

 

Well my experience, first I'm 51, bald, wear glasses and overweight

BUT I treat the ladies with courtesy and respect, and I am honoured and flattered that they are willing to see me...in short, I treat the ladies like a gentleman. Little secret here ladies, all of you. Every time you agree to an encounter with me, either the first time or a repeat, I wonder how such an average looking guy like me is so lucky that a beautiful woman like you (all of you) wants to spend intimate time with

me. And I am so appreciative of the companionship you all provide me.

And yes there is a donation, but what I receive for that donation, you can't put a price on it.

The ladies in return have treated me in every which way like I am their boyfriend, and friend, and that they like me for me, my average looks aside

And I have read threads/posts about so called good looking guys having the attitude they are gods gift to women, and they should get discounts because they are so good looking...well most of them don't last too long with the ladies with that attitude. Ladies like to be treated with respect by a gentleman

RG

[fortunateone 156618]

I find that having a simply reference to "YMMV" in your profile can often be taken as a negative for clients.

 

I know that this is not the case with the majority of people on this site and YMMV is used so the SP can restrict certain services that are offered in her profile based on all of the reasons that are mentioned above.

 

From a client perspective it should be handled with a simple verification of the meaning with the SP. Once again, most people on this site are open to these questions and understand the need for clarification prior to booking an appointment.

 

The use of YMMV should protect the SP and hopefully everyone can accept that.

 

 

Personally, I think that some sps use this in their ads so that they can advertise the more popular services, but there is always a reason why no one gets them. I think it would be simpler to just not offer the services they don't want to do, but I get that not advertising these popular things might reduce calls.

 

I don't think it should be necessary that an sp include it in her ads or on her site (if she has the etiquette page she can actually explain her conditions regarding hygiene). I do think it can be used in recos. A good client will recognize that while he had a great time, not everyone might, and using the ymmv about services received, or his experience, would be a good idea to caution the readers to not assume their experience will be exactly the same.

[Nathalie L 112512]

I do think it can be used in recos. A good client will recognize that while he had a great time, not everyone might, and using the ymmv about services received, or his experience, would be a good idea to caution the readers to not assume their experience will be exactly the same.

 

That makes a lot of sense!

[MightyPen 67414]

This is a really interesting topic.

 

Fundamentally, "YMMV" means "the provider reserves the right to use her discretion about the exact services she provides".

 

Going into an appointment, assuming advertisement on one side and research on the other, both parties know the transaction is pretty much going to include services "X" unless something goes dramatically wrong. But if she feels inclined during the appointment, some ladies might also provide "Y"; but that's entirely her choice, and a client doesn't get to complain if Y isn't offered. When Y happens, it's not because the client paid for Y; it's solely because the lady chose to offer it at her own discretion. Y is never bought by a client; it's something that's earned.

 

What moves an encounter from X to X+Y? Sometimes it's just about hygiene and mechanics -- right size, that kind of stuff. But also it's about the same simple but not always common stuff that makes it work in conventional relationships. In my experience: are you trustworthy? Are you giving and considerate? (1) Have you given your partner reason to believe she can let down her defenses a little and engage with you a little more? And ultimately... is the chemistry and mood there?

 

Also, as a client: have you engaged your partner in more ways that was strictly "required" of you -- in other words, have you shown the same extra consideration for her that she'd be showing you if she bestowed Y?

 

(1) Hee hee... I'm suddenly reminded of the Boy Scout Law from my youth. It's been a few decades but:

 

A scout is...

honest and trustworthy,

kind and cheerful,

considerate and clean,

and wise in the use of his resources.

 

Yes, that's right. The first rule of good intimacy is: follow the Boy Scout Law. If you thought being a Boy Scout was just about helping women across the street... well, you were wrong.

[Athos 108589]

To me YMMV means that all services are at the ladies discretion, and therefore dependent on the sorts of things already mentioned: good hygiene, good manners, gentlemanly conduct all result in a good session, while the opposite will adversely affect the level of service.

 

The wild card, of course is chemistry. With the best, most professional SPs, I find that if hygiene and manners are in place you can generally expect a fairly consistent and good / great level of service. Chemistry can push that to great / exceptional.

 

In general, I haven't found looks to be a great factor in determining the service I receive.

[DukeSSk 3430]

At first, I thought YMMV meant that services usually available may not be offered if the lady is tired, not feeling well, time of the month, etc...

 

Reading the answers, I stand corrected, so it all depends on the gentleman...No problem at all!! :D

[Guest S****r]

...the ability to connect with the guy has very little to do with looks for me, also! Actually, with all the ladies here. And do some girls really advertise services that they in fact do not offer? That seems foolish to me--like people who put fake pictures on dating websites. What happens when you actually meet and are not like the picture in the photot?!!!

[crankF 12893]

Well my experience, first I'm 51, bald, wear glasses and overweight

BUT I treat the ladies with courtesy and respect, and I am honoured and flattered that they are willing to see me...in short, I treat the ladies like a gentleman. Little secret here ladies, all of you. Every time you agree to an encounter with me, either the first time or a repeat, I wonder how such an average looking guy like me is so lucky that a beautiful woman like you (all of you) wants to spend intimate time with

me. And I am so appreciative of the companionship you all provide me.

And yes there is a donation, but what I receive for that donation, you can't put a price on it.

The ladies in return have treated me in every which way like I am their boyfriend, and friend, and that they like me for me, my average looks aside

And I have read threads/posts about so called good looking guys having the attitude they are gods gift to women, and they should get discounts because they are so good looking...well most of them don't last too long with the ladies with that attitude. Ladies like to be treated with respect by a gentleman

RG

This 50ish, nearsighted, bald, overweight(slightly),one shot wonder agrees totally with RG.

[crankF 12893]

ymmv is not a bad thing at all. It just means to me that on a person to person basis that some of the services may not be offered due to circumstances. Hick ups do occur. Like roamingguy expressed about the guy with greasy hands should not expect digits. I doesn't mean that these services will always be unavailable. It just might mean that the next time this greasy hand guy will have to wash his hand really good before seeing his escort of choice.

 

I do think the ymmv is an standard of expressing that not everyone will experience the same service for whatever reason. It is not a negative thing, it is just a way of expressing that. As a matter of fact I wouldn't want every encounter to be the same anyways. That's the fun of meeting new and interesting people.

Cleanliness of hands and properly clipped nails are required of course. One other thing I don't think has been mentioned in this thread: All nails must be sanded down(emery board) on top and edges. A lady set me straight in that regard, and even showed me how to do it properly.

 

I imagine alot of scraggly nails are why some ladies don't allow digit play; oneof my fave things.

[The General 11309]

I think that YMMV may be the result of a number of factors:

 

1) The behaviour and appearance of the gentlemen. Hygenie, etc. This can come into play for sure, but I think the guys should be able to figure how to address this issue, and I would expect many/most do.

 

2) Mood, more of the lady than the gentleman. The guys, if not in the mood just shouldn't hobby, but guess if you have pre-booked this isn't as possible. Not that I advocat that, but I tend to book day of, and I know I am in the mood. The ladies, I would say it is more difficult to take a day off when the mood isn't right, since it is a business. So, you might just catch the lady on a day where there are distractions and perhaps several things going on that doesn't allow the lady to feel like participating to the same extent, and this may lower the enjoyment of the experience.

 

Just my nickels worth. I know mood was mentioned earlier, so basically I agree with that.

[thesugarman 272]

As a newbie to the board but an experienced hobbyiest I totally agree..........to each their own

[backrubman 64800]

The guys, if not in the mood just shouldn't hobby, but guess if you have pre-booked this isn't as possible.

 

Well I don't think I correctly articulated my mood swings. Once I booked a lady as I had to do the hardest thing ever the next day, I had to fire people I knew. While some deserved it, others were blameless but they were loosing their jobs also do to the reckless actions of a few. Sometimes we have have to do things we don't want to do and the purpose of the encounter was distraction as opposed to meaningless sex. I guess given my mood, the meaningless sex didn't occur but no complaints from the lady, we had a wonderful time and I will see her again. Other times a nice meal with a beautiful distraction (and no talk of business) is just what the Doctor ordered.

 

While it does occur, I think meaningless sex means less to me than most clients? And I don't mean to diminish what the ladies are willing to do by calling it meaningless but it is a fantasy and sometimes I'm in the mood for reality and sometimes the intimacy comes naturally and seems more like a real experience than a fantasy.

 

The ladies are pretty good at knowing what you need and delivering it. Even when it is just simple companionship.

[andflemcol 3975]

I know YMMV may mean different things to different sp's or for that matter clients. I think it would be great that a lot of newbies be directed to this thread if for nothing else to have them think about what they can do to to improve their chances of getting the mileage that they are looking for.