STD's

[rockyandbullwinkle 527]

I know, nasty subject matter.

 

I'm just wondering how common STD's are in our community. I would be appalled if know one was worried at all but is this something that is on your mind when meeting someone new? Or even if it's the third or fourth time you are with someone?

 

 

Just curious if anyone has any stories, feel free to PM me if you don't want to post publicly.

 

Just for the record I am not asking anyone to PM me or reveal the names of any SP's or hobbyists that you may or may not have gotten something from. I'm not trying to start rumors.

[roamingguy 300292]

Do people go asking how prevailant STD/STI's are in the conventional dating world? Or for married couples where one partner may be involved in an affair. Or for those who go to a bar for a one night stand

Seeing escorts (sex for money) is not the cause of STD/STI's...sex, with no matter whom you see, puts a person at risk for STD/STI's

Sorry, but there seems to be, even on this board, some who are focused on this lifestyle as a cause of STD/STI when all it is is sex for money.

But people can have sex with multiple partners by dating, having affairs, one night stands etc...why not the same focus on them

And why just focus on if the ladies in this community having STD/STI's, guess what, it takes two to tango...why not the same focus on the gentlemen in this community

RG

[Guest *ig*a**]

Well said RG.I for one feel this communty is a safe place to play. I never had a problem or contracted anything nasty from anyone on cerb.

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[rockyandbullwinkle 527]

How can you not focus on that lifestyle? I mean I'm not trying to insult anyone but there is a question of how often do you put yourself at risk and lets face it, an SP puts herself at risk every time she sees a client.

 

Do people not realize that there are a few STD's that a condom won't keep you safe from? All it takes is a little skin on skin contact and you could get herpes.

 

I'm just trying to ask a simple question, are they prevalent in this community enough for there to be a real worry or are they a lot more uncommon.

[roamingguy 300292]

Focus on it...why such a focus on it in this lifestyle compared to dating, one night stands (proverbial bar pick up), extra marital affairs etc

Maybe you didn't realize this, but seeing escorts doesn't cause STD/STI

Sex, whether with an escort/client, a one night stand, extra marital affair, dating etc, it is the sex that puts one at risk for STD/STI's

And in my experience escorts have been and are more practicing of safe sex practices than women in my civilian dating world.

And finally, your sexual health (testing) is your responsibility, yours alone

But your question feeds into stereotypes. I'm sure you never broached this subject while dating, having one night stands (if you had any), extra maritial affairs (if you had any) And how do you know how many partners these women had, and frankly, how do they know how many partners you had

RG

[Guest **n****er]

How can you not focus on that lifestyle? I mean I'm not trying to insult anyone but there is a question of how often do you put yourself at risk and lets face it, an SP puts herself at risk every time she sees a client.

 

Do people not realize that there are a few STD's that a condom won't keep you safe from? All it takes is a little skin on skin contact and you could get herpes.

 

I'm just trying to ask a simple question, are they prevalent in this community enough for there to be a real worry or are they a lot more uncommon.

 

I think the answer to your question is that they are no more prevalent than they are in the community at large. Consider this community as a microcosm of the whole. No better, no worse.

[LeeRichards 177238]

I'm just trying to ask a simple question, are they prevalent in this community enough for there to be a real worry or are they a lot more uncommon.

 

My opinion only....I think this community safe as it comes but undoubtably not 100% ever.

 

I personally meet with Cerb ladies I am comfortable with, attracted to, a lady who exudes that they enjoy their job and practices due dilligence and most importantly I trust .....and to be honest the thought never enters my mind before, during or after a date. Whenever I considered working outside the box and Cerb then it does enter my mind.

[MNO4 789]

An sp who sees multiple partners a day , give cursory if any examination to genitalia and perform bbbjs and receive is a riskier person to see . Regardless of stereotyping or preconception and with full due respect to everybody in this community, it would be facile to assume the risk of an std is not greater than the dating married world unless they are doing the same.

It's a numbers game and risk is risk.

Covered bjs probably put you at less risk than a pof date

And no doubt many practitioners here have a much better sense of disease transmission than most regular daters

 

 

But bbbjs are definitely riskier the more partners seen. I for one believe that this is a perfectly valid and necessary question to ask. And r should be answered with respect and accuracy rather than in an emotionally defensive and possibly naive fashion.

[crankF 12893]

I predict this thread is going to become another bit of the endless rehash of covered vs. bare services.

[Jabba 18389]

I think the OP had a perfectly valid question. He didn't focus just on the ladies - with a little careful reading, one will notice he included hobbyists in the equation too.

 

I think Backrubman did justice to the OP's question. Well done!

[Capital Hunter 18263]

To the OP:

 

Yes I think too, a legitimate question. When I started this hobby a few years ago, I posted a thread asking (specifically long time) hobbyists to comment if they have ever been exposed to any sti/std in the long hobbying years. I remember that several very long time well known hobbyists (between 20 to 40 years in the hobby) and some very well known providers and hobbyists responded and they all and posted unanimously that they have not been exposed to anything at all. My reading based on those responses was that sti/std is not common in our community but rather very very rare. that however, did not mean I lowered my guards but became cautiously encouraged about the safety of hobbying.

[fortunateone 156618]

I think the answer to your question is that they are no more prevalent than they are in the community at large. Consider this community as a microcosm of the whole. No better, no worse.

 

 

This is actually true. If you google it there have been studies to compare sex workers and the general population, and the % rate is slightly lower in sex workers.

 

Anyone half interested in this should be doing some research themselves, get tested then wait the standard month or two and get tested again. THEN go see sps if the desire is still there.

 

I still find it very annoying if someone wants to do this, is paranoid about what they might catch, but doesn't check to find out if they have something that they might be spreading around

[Guest Ou**or**n]

And why just focus on if the ladies in this community having STD/STI's, guess what, it takes two to tango...why not the same focus on the gentlemen in this community

RG

 

Did the OP amend his post? Currently is 'I'm just wondering how common STD's are in our community' and nowhere else in his post can puts a focus on the ladies.

 

As a community we are guys and gals, providers and consumers.

[A****y E*e 6175]

From every thread I've read on cerb and every SP I've met, it seems that SPs (and probably lots of clients) are way more informed about STIs and protection than a large part of the general public, and I say that as someone who regularly talks to large groups of people in the general public about STI prevention. I think it's pretty amazing that there are so many conversations happening here about safer sex, because I don't think I've been part of many other communities that talk about it so regularly and openly! So I take that as a good sign :)

 

Like others have said, of course there are always risks and STIs exist in every community. But, I think of my sexual health as part of doing my job well, among other things, and I'm sure most other SPs do too. And that is not necessarily true of every woman you'd pick up at a bar...

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

I know, nasty subject matter.

 

I'm just wondering how common STD's are in our community. I would be appalled if know one was worried at all but is this something that is on your mind when meeting someone new? Or even if it's the third or fourth time you are with someone?

 

 

Just curious if anyone has any stories, feel free to PM me if you don't want to post publicly.

 

Just for the record I am not asking anyone to PM me or reveal the names of any SP's or hobbyists that you may or may not have gotten something from. I'm not trying to start rumors.

 

You can never be sure of the exact percentage but nothing, no matter what you do is foolproof but abstinence from sex completely. Assume the risks before you take them on.

 

Having said that, it bothers me when people dive into this hobby and always assume the provider is the one with the STDS or the carrier of them. Or worse, go to see an SP and then get paranoid and end up contacting the SP afterward to see if they go get tested reguarily. This is so insulting! One could say the same to a client but they don't want to believe that they very well could be carriers and this is infuriating at times. How about not contacting anyone if you're that paranoid?

 

We all have to answer to ourselves so if a person ( not directed at the OP) decides to call an escort, think first with the big head and then act. Not the other way around!

[Maverick 2873]

All the providers here require the use of condoms for penetrative sex, whereas condom use is not that widespread in conventional dating, random hookups, etc. Go read a survey or a study about condom use and it's frightening. I would think you're safer from the more serious diseases on cerb than you are in the real world.

[CristyCurves 169032]

To contract anything you need one encounter with one person, so anyone having multiple partners is putting themselves at risk. As it has been said abstinence is the only way to stay completely safe.

[sandimoon 72517]

When I see threads like these,

started by members for almost 3 years,

total post count of 9,

I search their vast history,

determine the totality of their contributions ( if any ),

decide whether or not I feel compelled to proffer a response,

then respond accordingly.................................................................

...........................................................................................

so.....Movie ABC's are now on Q.....

......who's up?

Sandi

[Butterman 194]

Amazing the sensitivity to a perfectly legitmate question. I also think I read something about the % of STI amongs sex trade workers being lower than the general population. As someone pointed out, it likely has to do with SP's being better at educating themselves on the subject and take the necessary precautions... like any worker in any industry would do as part of occupational health and safety. Then again there are studies which state being circumcised lowers your risk of contracting an STI... go figure!

 

We should all be playing safe and if the unfortunate situation arises, consider making some mature decisions, dropping out of the game, letting past partners know you may have passed something to them, or letting our partner know of our status prior to any activities.

 

That's just my 2 cents

 

To answer the question, I have been lucky enough to never had an STI (I do get periodic tests done), but I have gotten Strep Throat from engaging in sexual activities... that's not fun either.

[Guest La***nico***]

In my opinion, anytime you are having an encounter of a sexual nature, there is a risk of contratcing an STD. You have to take your own health into account and take the necessary precautions. The SPs I know take very good care of their health and ensure that they get regular testing to be sure. It is up to you to do the same. If you don't want to go to your GP, then you go to a clinic. If you have a partner at home, then you need to be responsible. And forget about the statistics about STDs in this industry, the reality is, STD exist. If you choose BB, know the risks. Better yet, don't choose BB. Be safe.

[Guest *Ste***cque**]

Jay, legit question. My thinking is both hobbyists and SP's in this community are having sex more than other "communities", and in my opinion that increases the odds. Being educated about STI's helps but bareback anything multiplied by a large number increases risk.

Being in a 25+ year monogamous marriage and only recently "stepping out" i have wondered about STI's too. My conclusion is you should practice only covered/safe sex, including oral, if you're serious about reducing the risks. May not be as fun but it's safer.

[northerntantra 4671]

... I also think I read something about the % of STI amongs sex trade workers being lower than the general population. As someone pointed out, it likely has to do with SP's being better at educating themselves on the subject and take the necessary precautions...

 

The general public is pretty poor at interpreting statistics. Be careful of drawing conclusions such as the one Butterman referred to above. If you measure STI's amongst sex workers and compare them to the general population, it may be that the rate is lower because those with STI's drop out of the business. The population has thus been reduced to include mainly those without STI's. To be able to make the above conclusion, one needs to look at current sex workers and former sex workers, and compare to the general population. Once you throw in former workers, then you have to correct for time and other facts, and it gets messy.

 

Awhile back I read "Freakonomics". It was pretty interesting, so I started picking up other similar books. One was "More Sex Is Safer Sex" by economist Steven Landsburg. Chapter 1 is a very interesting read for anyone who touts the virtue of abstinence. Consider:

 

[--]If everyone abstained from sex, there would be an end to sexually transmitted diseases.

 

[--]Unfortunately, the human race would also come to an end -- unless of course we move completely to in vitro fertilization.

 

[--]Therefore, it is likely that there will always be people having sex.

 

[--]Those who abstain, or are monogamous, are essentially limiting the opportunities of those who are not.

 

[--]Therefore those who are not have a smaller pool of people with whom to have sex.

 

[--]The consequence of this, therefore, is that once a disease enters that small population the risk of contracting it becomes higher.

 

[--]If more people had sex with multiple partners, then the field of choices would be greater and the risk of contracting a disease actually LOWER.

 

Now, this may seem counter-intuitive to most people, but it's apparently sound economic thinking. I'm not an economist. And it's not my theory. So don't flame me for it. If you want to understand it, read Landsburg's book. It's interesting, funny, and makes you go "ummm ... say what?"

 

Besides ... more sex is not only safer sex ... it's way more fun!

[Chanel Reign 28097]

I think the bottom line is this.

 

-Sex isn't going away any time soon.

 

-Being an SP if I contract an STD/STI/or the common cold, my means of living immediately stops and there is no medical insurance or UI for that! Therefore most reputable SP's will educate themselves to the nth degree regarding this and other subjects. Ex: I am allergic to latex, I did my homework and buy a different condom. They may be more expensive but I am assured of no latex and basically you get what you pay for. In my case, a higher grade condom.

 

-Hobbiests should also educate themselves as well. Regardless of how many posts or how long someone has been here has zero bearing on the question itself. I don't know you, your personality nor your fears; so any question is a good one if it satisfies your curiosity and provides you with the information you need.

 

-I do believe that given the same set of circumstances, the percentage would be higher with muggles (for lack of a better word), than Professionals and their Clients. We have some pretty strong rules that we have set for ourselves and don't have the opportunity of a mistake that muggles do (lust, immortality, drunk, self esteem, don't have one handy, etc)