Negotiating Rates???

[capitalman 3861]

The problem is, SP advertises $X/hour so you show up and she smells like an ashtray, gives a lousy BJ and does the worst fake moan you've ever heard. Oh ya, she says BBBJ will be extra if you want that. You feel jipped! I mean, she didn't advertise this? All the reviews were great...I thought I was getting a Big Mac and I got a cheeseburger instead.

 

So then the next time I go see a new SP I've never seen I'm thinking in my head "What if she's like the last girl? What if all the reviews are BS? Maybe I should try to pay a little less and if the service is good then I'll tip her?"

 

I don't know...there's many sides to this debate. I've had SP's waiver on what they want to charge and ask me what I think it's worth....so I shoot a number out and they say "Okay, sounds good" but then I wonder what kinda service I'm going to get?

 

What if an SP offers me a reduced rate in exchange for being a regular client, or because she likes me or because I give her a great foot massage every time? Am I an asshole for accepting the lower offer? I won't lie, any extra money in my own wallet is a good thing and times are tough, everyone needs all the cash they can get!

 

All this being said, I always pay what I'm asked and quite often bring gifts and/or tip.

[capitalman 3861]

Cumquat, I must agree with you there. If you shoot your load in 5 minutes, too bad. Shoulda strapped on 3 rubbers! :)

 

The other day this beautiful girl I know said her last client pulled out $40 and said that's all he's got and left. She cried. When I was leaving she took my money and said "Do I need to count this? Are you going to make me cry too?" That was a little rude of her, but I know where she was coming from and I told her she doesn't need to count it.

 

I offered to slash the first guys tires if she felt like giving me his name.....but I won't tell you the rest of this story. :twisted:

[MandalayBay 575]

I find it offensive when asked for a discount because I offer my clients the full erotic experience without cutting corners on my end. I have put so much thought and so much money into making sure the experience I offer is unforgettable, that I feel insulted when asked for a discount.

 

For my sessions, I always show up with:

 

• A very good bottle of wine (not just the cheapest bottle I can find)
  
• Expensive chocolates (Lindt by Lindor) or other high quality brands
  
• A fruit tray with a delicious creamy dip
  
• A selection of expensive perfumes for clients to choose for me to wear
  
• Thousands of dollars worth of sexy lingerie to select from
  
• A full, portable sound system with erotic music I've spent hours putting together
  

All of my clients pay full rate and some even top it up with a tip in addition to my rates. If you want a hamburger, go to McDonalds. If you want a high quality steak, go to 529 Wellington restaurant in Winnipeg. One wouldn't dare show up at 529 Wellington and ask for one of their steaks for $5 because that's what McDonald's charges.

 

The most insane request I ever received was a man who emailed me and asked if I would give him a discount because his penis was 12 inches long. I laughed out loud and thought to myself that I if his claim was true, I should charge more for an 12-inch penis because it would probably split my body in half and give me a painful kidney infection afterwards. LOL

[etasman2000 15994]

The other day this beautiful girl I know said her last client pulled out $40 and said that's all he's got and left. She cried. When I was leaving she took my money and said "Do I need to count this? Are you going to make me cry too?" That was a little rude of her, but I know where she was coming from and I told her she doesn't need to count it.

 

Sounds more like she was in shock and maybe attempting to make a joke.

 

You could have asked her to count and after she did say, 'Silly me, its short' and given her a tip :grin:

[d*mm*y 887]

That's blatantly false advertising and no one should tolerate it. Some girls charge different rates based on specific services, but you have a right to know what the bill is going to be ahead of time, when you make the booking, IMHO. Once you're there, if you want to add something to the package, you should expect to pay for it at the rate she quoted on her website or wherever she gave the information.

 

Personally, I would hate to have our pleasure interrupted by negotiating for extras if the client feels he wants something different. It seems to me that would wreck the chemistry between us. That's one reason why my rates are all-inclusive. The other reason is that, as far as I'm concerned, the client is paying for my time and companionship. Whatever we may do with that time together is up to us. And yes, it does mean that my fee for a covered BJ is the same as for full service plus Greek, or for tying me up, tormenting me with toys and spanking me along with the full service. It's also the same if I tie him up and get out the double-ended dildo! :grin:

 

That is in a nut shell the difference between a fine courtesan and a fly by night escort. You my lady are a courtesan, your time is compensated and what you choose to do with it is a mutual experience for your client to decide in private behind closed doors! Every client is different and the flexibility to recognize and provide for them in the way they would enjoy is a sign of a great courtesan. If you were in Ottawa I would tip you well! And not just with cash.

[Sputy 128]

For my sessions, I always show up with:

 

• A very good bottle of wine (not just the cheapest bottle I can find)
  
• Expensive chocolates (Lindt by Lindor) or other high quality brands
  
• A fruit tray with a delicious creamy dip
  
• A selection of expensive perfumes for clients to choose for me to wear
  
• Thousands of dollars worth of sexy lingerie to select from
  
• A full, portable sound system with erotic music I've spent hours putting together
  

 

Yes, but you are unique and special. Actually, you should probably raise your rates:grin:

[MandalayBay 575]

Thanks Sputy. *blush*

[brandi 231]

 

If you want a hamburger, go to McDonalds. If you want a high quality steak, go to 529 Wellington restaurant in Winnipeg. One wouldn't dare show up at 529 Wellington and ask for one of their steaks for $5 because that's what McDonald's charges.

 

LOL

 

Sounds familiar I have been saying this for years. and don't forget when you eat at McDonalds for $5 you usually feel sick after wards but when you eat at the steak house you walk out feeling nourished and satisfied.

[SamanthaEvans 166767]

That is in a nut shell the difference between a fine courtesan and a fly by night escort. You my lady are a courtesan, your time is compensated and what you choose to do with it is a mutual experience for your client to decide in private behind closed doors! Every client is different and the flexibility to recognize and provide for them in the way they would enjoy is a sign of a great courtesan. If you were in Ottawa I would tip you well! And not just with cash.

 

Aww, Dummpy, thanks for that! :smile:

[Jewel247 392]

This is something I have encountered more then once and have to say its one of the most disrespectful things a client can do. Before booking an appointment with me I inform all clients of my rates and there should be no reason to discuss this when they arrive.

 

I have had this happen more than once as well, and I agree how disrespectful

The ladies clearly inform the client of the rate (thats right red there should be NO reason to discuss it on arrival). From time to time in Kingston I have offered specials on sundays... and it seems like clients take this as an opportunity to ask for even more off then what I have advertised. This just rewens it for everyone... feeling disrespected I offer less specials! If you dont have enough to book with the sp in the first place... then DONT! When this happens to me I too kindly show the client the door. We work hard we play hard and have the right to set our rates as we wish, there are lots of sp's out there guys (with different rates) find the one (or one's) that are best for you... treat her right and you will be treated right. All my wonderful clients that respect me get the royal treatment!

[Sputy 128]

Not only is it disrespectful and can significantly impact your mileage, but you are also placing yourself and the SP at risk: paying for sex is not illegal, talking about paying for sex most certainly is (yeah it's weird, two things that a person should never witness being made: sausages and laws!). A hobbiest/SP who even opens any kind of discussion is significantly compromising any defense they might have if he/she is ever charged.

[hellojoe 108]

Any SP I've seen has had her rates posted very visibly somewhere or has let me know about them beforehand, I budget for those rates. How can someone expect the lady to be into the date at all after spending some of her time arguing and haggling over rates with the client, it's a complete distraction and would be a total mood killer

[Emma Alexandra 123368]

while in chat the other day i had someone try to barter with me...he said he would take me apt. hunting in exchange for my serives...ewww...that totally blew my mind! Needless to say that was the only thing that got blown...hehe.

[a******s.m*****e 187]

while in chat the other day i had someone try to barter with me...he said he would take me apt. hunting in exchange for my serives...ewww...that totally blew my mind! Needless to say that was the only thing that got blown...hehe.

 

If I had 10 bucks for every time someone told me he will take me here and there I should give him a discount I could go on a cruise. lol

 

My favourites are the ones who ask for a discount because they will see me every two weeks. I never gave in and I never saw them again. So much for every two weeks....

 

I think some guys haven't learned yet that we are a special breed of women. We are on the same level with them and they can't bullshit us as easily as they can non-professionals. ;)

[SamanthaEvans 166767]

I require a deposit from first-time clients at the time of booking the engagement. I was a bit nervous about what might happen when I implemented this, but I was also very tired of having my time wasted. I book 1.5 hours for first visits, and I leave a minimum of 1.5 hours between appointments. When someone doesn't show up for a meeting, I can lose half a day or more.

 

What I've found is that not only has this eliminated the ones who book and don't bother to call to cancel the appointment, but since my schedule is more stable, it's easier to book my returning clients. The net result is that because I'm actually working the hours I set, I'm earning more money more consistently than before I began this policy

 

I've been fascinated to notice that, when someone complains about paying the deposit, they also tend to complain that my fees are too high, that my service may not be worth what I charge, and that they can get equivalent service from someone else at a third of the price. A couple of them have stated that I should be deeply relieved that they asked for an appointment in this difficult economy and (of course) I should be offering much more with fewer restrictions at a lower fee.

 

I had an exchange with one man last week who wrote a very snippy e-mail to me, warning that, since there was no guarantee that I wouldn't run off with his $100 deposit, I should be aware that he was ready to spend a couple of hours writing nasty reviews on the boards about my thievery if there was any problem. Curiously, he didn't seem to understand why I declined the opportunity to entertain him. He said I was being ungrateful. Imagine that. :-o

[a******s.m*****e 187]

Thanks Samantha, great idea.

 

I have most of my problems with people who want to pre-book and email me or call me many times before they come to town and once they are here, they are sick, "can't make it" or get lost for hours looking for the address. It is very annoying, because in the meantime I can't see anyone else.

 

I had one client once who offered pre-payment and he could not make it, but at least I didn't feel like I was being taken advantage of.

 

Thanks to you, I will add the deposit or pre-payment policy to my present "first come first serve" and see what happens.

 

As far as the hate mail or bad reviews are concerned, I've been around long enough to know that sooner or later it happens to all of us (on other boards).

Just stick to your guns and remember that the bashing will happen no matter what, and you might as well do things the way you feel comfortable with.

[etasman2000 15994]

I would personally be nervous placing a deposit with any business unless someone I know vouches for it.

 

In this case by another known SP. However once this chain on trust is establish the need for a deposit typically goes away! If it doesn't I have no problems putting my money where my intentions are :)

 

Just my 2 cents.

 

I require a deposit from first-time clients at the time of booking the engagement. I was a bit nervous about what might happen when I implemented this, but I was also very tired of having my time wasted. I book 1.5 hours for first visits, and I leave a minimum of 1.5 hours between appointments. When someone doesn't show up for a meeting, I can lose half a day or more.

[Sputy 128]

...We are on the same level with them ...

 

Respectfully Anita, I must disagree. I don't know a lot about you, but from what I do know, I am quite certain that you are on a MUCH higher level than them. There are not many people (myself included, though I am a learning) who know what it takes to be a professional in your career. Samantha and you are very intriguing - next time I'm in Vancouver I shall inquire as to your social rates so that I may take you to dinner and further my education!

[Guest Ou**or**n]

My favourites are the ones who ask for a discount because they will see me every two weeks.

 

I am curious as to why you find this objectionable. Many ladies do this (or some variation). Perhaps I simple misunderstanding that you do not believe their intention to return in two weeks. The ladies that do this typically offer a discount for multiple sessions when paid in advance.

 

I personally would take advantage of it if more ladies offered it.

[SamanthaEvans 166767]

Thanks, Anita. I'm not worried about the reviews. I've seen how they go up and down everywhere. It was interesting, though, to have this prospective client use this as a way to threaten.

 

etasman, I understand your concern.

 

I have all my contact with potential clients by e-mail rather than by phone. I don't enjoy telephone tag games--who does?--and it means that I can handle responses and make appointments very discretely, without being overheard by anyone who might be nearby when the phone rings. I make it a priority to give great e-mail service. When a new client contacts me, he'll receive a prompt reply that describes what I'm offering, poses a few suggestions for our time together, and states clearly what my fee is. I also include a photograph that shows my face.

 

I'm happy to exchange several rounds of e-mail and I never rush anyone into making an appointment. I think that someone can get a very good sense of who I am, that I take them and my work seriously, and that I'm likely to be trustworthy. In fact, I'm told over and over again that clients are pleased to find that I am who and what I say I am in e-mail, on my website and in my photos.

 

I'm often contacted by gentlemen who are planning to visit Vancouver and want to make arrangements ahead of time, sometimes several weeks or even a couple of months in advance. They tell me that my professional attitude is reassuring. One such person wrote to me this morning, saying that he was happy to pay the deposit for a meeting with me a month from now. He pointed out that if he cancels his hotel reservation abruptly, they'll likely charge a cancellation fee to his credit card and the upscale bed and breakfast places have much more stringent cancellation fees than I would charge.

 

Implementing the deposit sytstem is a tough judgment call to make, in the end. However, using PayPal has advantages for the client. They can order their credit card company to withdraw the payment if they want to. I'm the one who pays a processing fee for the transaction, not the client. And I never know any of their credit card information--not the name on the card, or the number. In that way, it's very secure for them.

 

I always leave the deposit in my PayPal account until the day of the meeting. That way, I can refund it immediately if the client gives adequate notice of a cancellation or if for some reason I have to cancel the meeting myself.

[SamanthaEvans 166767]

Sputy, dinner would be lovely. :wink:

[a******s.m*****e 187]

Sputy, dinner would be lovely. :wink:

 

OK, what is left for ME?

 

A quick lunch at McDonalds? kidding....can't find a kidding smiley.

[SamanthaEvans 166767]

Well, we could suggest that Sputy might take us both out to dinner at the same time, but... can he handle both of us at the same time? It would be such a shame if he had a coronary in the restaurant. Other diners might not like it! :-D

[etasman2000 15994]

At least he would be flanked by two Angels. What better way to go?

 

Well, we could suggest that Sputy might take us both out to dinner at the same time, but... can he handle both of us at the same time? It would be such a shame if he had a coronary in the restaurant. Other diners might not like it! :-D

[Ava Foxx 1747]

In the last few weeks I've received a couple of emails from people trying to negotiate my rates. In both cases, I politely reminded them that my rates are non-negotiable, which is clearly stated on my website (several times). I also reminded them that my rates are already some of the lowest around and are very reasonable. Well, both times I received very nasty replies.

 

One person called me chubby (the exact word I use in my ads...lol) and useless. The other called me an elephant and said that he doesn't f**k around with fat chicks. Then WHY was he coming to ME in the first place??? I am very upfront about the fact that I have extra padding. *sigh* Some people are just pathetic.