Tale of 2 SPS

[etasman2000 15994]

Almost all the websites have some pics. However, I'd like to see at least one close-up shot ot the kitty. Is this against the etiquette?

 

Thanks

 

Check out the 'Rules & FAQ' section. It covers this issue there.

[JoyfulC 132299]

Almost all the websites have some pics. However, I'd like to see at least one close-up shot ot the kitty. Is this against the etiquette?

 

Thanks

 

Why would you want to see that?

 

I ask this sincerely because I really don't understand. I also don't understand when guys send me close-up pics of their genitalia. I can only be interested in the whole package -- so much so that even a full face or full body pic wouldn't influence my feelings, unless I had some insight into a person's heart and intellect also.

 

To me, this is like saying you'd like to see a pic of the fan belt before buying the car. It's just a part.

[VedaSloan 119179]

Why would you want to see that?

 

I ask this sincerely because I really don't understand. I also don't understand when guys send me close-up pics of their genitalia. I can only be interested in the whole package -- so much so that even a full face or full body pic wouldn't influence my feelings, unless I had some insight into a person's heart and intellect also.

 

To me, this is like saying you'd like to see a pic of the fan belt before buying the car. It's just a part.

 

I've never understood the male compulsion to send cock shots either. I don't care what your package looks like, or what you look like, for that matter. If your personality is the pits, you'll be unattractive to me.

[Edca1 100]

Thank you for asking the question. I agree with you on guys sending their pictures. As for your question, I do believe the private part of a SP is, if not more important, equally important to other parts what she shows in pictures,like bum, breast. I guess it is a personal preference.

When I am buying a car, I do care car body style, besides performance and gas usage.

 

 

Why would you want to see that?

 

I ask this sincerely because I really don't understand. I also don't understand when guys send me close-up pics of their genitalia. I can only be interested in the whole package -- so much so that even a full face or full body pic wouldn't influence my feelings, unless I had some insight into a person's heart and intellect also.

 

To me, this is like saying you'd like to see a pic of the fan belt before buying the car. It's just a part.

[Guest gagagaga]

a couple of points...

 

1. I prefer some pussies very much over others, so seeing a nice shot helps me choose

 

2. why all the anti-sheep sentiments??

 

3. I love webistes that are thorough and simple

 

and finally...

 

4. my mom is hot...you'd be lucky to "spend time" with her

[JoyfulC 132299]

a couple of points...

 

1. I prefer some pussies very much over others, so seeing a nice shot helps me choose

 

I respect that but I think I'd rather see a guy who selects me on the basis of other qualities.

 

This reminds me of a cloud buddy of mine down in the States. She was engaged to be married for a year or so (but both were mature, it wasn't a first marriage for either). Early on, she got a pic of him to keep in her wallet, something she could look at for a quick pick-me-up on her break at work. She offered him a pic of herself, but he put it in a drawer and left it there untouched. Sometime later, though, they invested in a digital camera and immediately he wanted to take a pic of her pussy to put in his wallet.

 

The engagement was OFF! She was not pleased that he would rather look at her smiling pussy than her smiling face!

 

(It was eventually on again and they did get married, but I don't think it's going to stick.)

 

2. why all the anti-sheep sentiments??

 

I'm not anti-sheep. It's just something deeply personal to me. Just like some girls don't kiss because they reserve that for their personal lives, I like to keep my sheep and my shop separate.

[Guest i***k***]

I have to agree and say you should have done your homework. I'm willing to bet had you done so you would have found out the answers to your questions without having to email. When you send an email it's a reflection of you, if you're curt, you'll most likely be treated like that.

 

Some ladies are very picky with whom they see and how many. If you want to be on that list put in a little effort, if not call an agency. After seeing this post I'm sure the second lady is glad you picked the first one. :)

[whatsup 11893]

 

1. I prefer some pussies very much over others, so seeing a nice shot helps me choose

 

 

Yes JB69 this is true.

 

If a provider does not feel comfortable with providing a picture(s) of her kitty, then a brief description of the divine region would be a welcomed addition. :grin:

[Guest a**m*s]

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[Guest C*****tte]

Why would you want to see that?

 

I ask this sincerely because I really don't understand. I also don't understand when guys send me close-up pics of their genitalia. I can only be interested in the whole package -- so much so that even a full face or full body pic wouldn't influence my feelings, unless I had some insight into a person's heart and intellect also.

 

To me, this is like saying you'd like to see a pic of the fan belt before buying the car. It's just a part.

 

I agree wholeheartedly! I understand for some that they are quite picky about the look of a woman's vulva but for that to be such an important factor in choosing a provider - well, it seems a bit much. It does not say anything about her or your potential chemistry.

[Guest C*****tte]

I truly appreciate when a provider has a website (like AvaFoxx's) that is straight forward and to the point with all the pertinent information.

 

It eliminates the guess work and the necessity to have to ask questions that are uncomfortable for the hobbyist to ask and the provider to answer.

 

Only if all providers and agencies would do the same.

 

I think those of us who do not list services in an explicit manner have very good reasons for not doing so.

 

Many ladies prefer not discuss these things, make promises sight usneen via their websites or on the phone.

 

The tricky thing with listing specific services on your website is that certain acts are then considered expected. If you do not provide them then bad reviews follow or worse a in-person dispute could turn ugly.

 

What if you have a canker in your mouth? It is unwise to perform uncovered oral if this is the case. Not for the receiver but for the giver. But if I were to promote a specific menu that for health reasons I am unable to provide I might leave a client disappointed or worse the client saying I am not providing what was promised.

 

All because I was dealing with a last minute health issue because I bit my cheek while eating my lunch that day and caused a canker to develop.

 

Yes, most clients are reasonable people and understand such things. But there are others that make things more difficult. Client hygiene is a huge factor and can make certain activities that we are perfectly comfortable with off limits. We have to be prepared for this contingency.

 

I have actually been working on a piece for either my website or for a message board to discuss my take on this issue. Needs some finishing touches and I am not sure where is the best place to post it. Though I suppose the summary would be YMMV. lol

 

I just hate acronyms! I never find them sexy. lol

[whatsup 11893]

I agree wholeheartedly! I understand for some that they are quite picky about the look of a woman's vulva but for that to be such an important factor in choosing a provider - well, it seems a bit much. It does not say anything about her or your potential chemistry.

 

I will make a general statement that I would say reflects the desires of a good number of Gentlemen.

 

The fact is that we find this part of the anatomy to be very erotic, thus it is a huge turn on for us that it heightens our encounter with a lovely provider. :wink:

[explorer69 3513]

Thanks to all of you who trashed me for my comments. Just to clarify a few things. They were both on CERB at the time I pm'd them.One was polite and enthusiastic (thanks Angeleyes) which displayed an attitude I liked. The second one has a very detailed website. Among other services it states cbj , oral to completion and dt . I thought all cbj are to completion since there is no issue with cim. Therfore this was ambiguous in my mind and I just wanted clarification. I'm not new to this world and know it is always a YMMV thing.

Similarily SP #1 sets out her rates clearly. SP#2 sys there is a discount if you find the magic word on her website. I did a search on both. Since #2 has changed her name a few times she didn't come up in my search on CERB. She did come up recently on the other board. That review confirmed my suspicians of her attitude.

My point is be friendly and polite, and you will get my business.

[Guest i***k***]

" I am interested for this afternoon. Where are you located/rates and do you do bbbj. Thanks."

 

The second one has a very detailed website. Among other services it states cbj

 

I think these two seperate comments pretty much sum it up. You asked someone that specifically states she does CBJ on her website if she would do BBBJ.

 

Being polite is a two way street...

[Guest Ou**or**n]

Lets be realistic, when you are an SP you are in the customer service business. That business starts with first contact. It may be irritating to answer the same questions over and over but that is life and there is no reason it cannot be done politely. Countless other professions deal with the same kind of situation. As dummpy wisely suggested earlier in the thread having a few stock responses in your email drafts folder is a good solution.

 

I am not a fan of the attitude of 'pay your money' but I'm not going to be clear about the services you will get. While I understand YMMV very well I believe that providers serve themselves and clients best if they are upfront about the services they will NOT provide.

 

Something simple like 'Most of my services are YMMV which are dependent on many things, however please understand I don't do DFK as I reserve that for my private life and I don't do BBBJ or Greek'. Most times when I first meet a lady where I don't know her services that is typically how they verbally describe things.

 

If for some reason that cannot perform an otherwise normal service due to some health issue or monthly timing issue then if possible I prefer to be advised at the time of booking (or via email if the booking was several days in advance). Sometimes I don't get advised until I arrive (usually happens with girls with agencies that travel where you have no direct contact until you show up in the room) but if the circumstances are understandable then as hobbiests we must roll with it.

[Guest C*****tte]

The group of ladies I work with have consulted a number of lawyers and other other experts about how to work within the law. Discussing sexual acts for pay in public is criminal. Cell phones are considered public. Email is not. Are message boards considered a public space? I think not. Perhaps the Mod has info.

 

I think I could get away with listing on my website or here a list of sexual acts I offer, but I prefer to play it safe in that regard. I may lose a certain clientele but my marketing strategy provides me with another. There are clients who prefer discretion and subtleties.

 

While I enjoy a broad range of sexual acts, in terms of my work I find I enjoy a clientele who, like me, is looking for an overall pleasurable experience rather than specific acts as their main determining factor.

 

To each their own. There is room in this endeavour for different approaches, different tastes and different strategies. I think the most important thing is for people to do what feels what is most comfortable for them - clients and providers alike.

 

-

 

Back to the intial post and some of the suggestions.

 

Regardless, of whether a provider promotes him/herself with detailed lists of sexual acts or is more discrete, it is in the provider's best interest to reply to any inquiries in a polite manner. As long as the inquiry is polite to begin with (you'd be surprised at the rude requests we receive). Rude emails tend to get non-responses.

 

Of course, if a specific sexual act is so important to a client, doing his/her research is key.

[southend 100]

can someone tell me what does this mean daty,bbbj, dfk. thanks

[Guest Ou**or**n]

can someone tell me what does this mean daty,bbbj, dfk. thanks

 

See this thread - http://cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1311

[explorer69 3513]

I think these two seperate comments pretty much sum it up. You asked someone that specifically states she does CBJ on her website if she would do BBBJ.

 

Being polite is a two way street...

 

There are many SPs who advertise both bbbj and cbj on the same page of services. Therfore it was not clear to me whether oral to completion meant bbbjcim or something else.

[Edca1 100]

I just realized that my post is not related to Pike's original intention.

I will start another post soon.

 

Thanks to all of you who trashed me for my comments. Just to clarify a few things. They were both on CERB at the time I pm'd them.One was polite and enthusiastic (thanks Angeleyes) which displayed an attitude I liked. The second one has a very detailed website. Among other services it states cbj , oral to completion and dt . I thought all cbj are to completion since there is no issue with cim. Therfore this was ambiguous in my mind and I just wanted clarification. I'm not new to this world and know it is always a YMMV thing.

Similarily SP #1 sets out her rates clearly. SP#2 sys there is a discount if you find the magic word on her website. I did a search on both. Since #2 has changed her name a few times she didn't come up in my search on CERB. She did come up recently on the other board. That review confirmed my suspicians of her attitude.

My point is be friendly and polite, and you will get my business.

[ottanon 2930]

With all due respect, It is important to know if an SP does CBJ or BBBJ. It is impossible for me to get off with CBJ and very frustrating for the SP as I can go for over an hour without the stimulas I like. Just like an SP may or may not be clear on thier website, I feel its important to know what I am instore for and paying for. However, if an SP lists CBJ as a service I would not ask them if they can do me BBBJ out of respect. While I do not hobby with many SP's as I have my favorite and tend to stick with 1 and maybe a special now and again, I dont think you can lose sight that We are paying for services and should know what we can expect. If there is no chemestry then a repeat wont happen anyways. As for the Kitty shot, I dont think thats necessary, if it has an aroma or the looks are that bad then a repeat wont happen either. I think that the only time a shot should be offered is if it really out of the ordinary, like a super huge clit or 5 inch hanging vulva.

[JoyfulC 132299]

That's reasonable, but what would you do if you were in the States or in an area like Winnipeg, where licensed providers must sign a contract agreeing not to provide sexual services for money? Would you expect them to risk everything just so you wouldn't have to waste your time visiting them and asking in person?

 

The way I see it, as much freedom as we enjoy here in Canada at present, the question of prostitution is still very much unresolved here in North America. I read in the paper yesterday that some people in NY are being charged with "enterprise corruption" and face a possible 25 years in jail for nothing more than running an escort service. Here in Canada, although prostitution is legal, agencies are singled out and made scapegoats for some ambitious politician. Even in municipalities which aren't yet licensed, who knows when their city will decide to raise some cash by preying upon escorts? And many independents tour to the US and to cities in Canada with licensing, so we have to be careful what we say.

 

The way I see it, discretion is still the better part of valour. What I'll do in private and what I'll provide as evidence for some jerk -- present or future -- to use against me are two different things.

 

Life is actually very sweet for most customers in Ottawa and Toronto. As long as you guys stay off the streets, you're pretty much immune from being charged with anything. The same is not true for us, especially those of us sticking our necks out to provide the convenience and affordability of incall to you. This is another grey area -- while it seems to be broadly tolerated, every once in a while, someone gets bit on it. The money we'd make off any one appointment with you wouldn't balance out the toll that a misstep might bring us.

 

I certainly understand your situation, but please try to understand ours. I should add too that there are plenty of customers who seem to get this and don't find it necessary to put us on the spot this way.

[YoungStud 468]

There are a number of places on-line that offer guys coaching advice for how to post profiles on dating sites. The latter can range from Lavalife and Plenty of Fish to more raunchy on-line "dating" places. The main point of that coaching seems to be, regardless of the type of site: get a date, make contact in person, as opposed to trying to have 5000 hits on your profile.

 

Because once you make contact, you can actually talk to her.

 

Pretty much the same applies here, in my experience. You may have to have a few paid dates in a few grey areas before you find someone who's willing and able to provide most or all of what you want.

 

Buy if you can have some rapport with someone and can move beyond the laundry list of various acts into a good feeling with her, you will in many cases be surprised at what someone who advertises covered GFE - or whatever, just an example - will actually be able to do, if she can make a personal connection with you and if you're not a cold, mechanistic jerk who may not like women all that much in the first place. (Not saying anyone who's posted to this thread fits the latter description, just making a general observation.)

[JoePlumber 112]

The group of ladies I work with have consulted a number of lawyers and other other experts about how to work within the law. Discussing sexual acts for pay in public is criminal. Cell phones are considered public. Email is not. Are message boards considered a public space? I think not. Perhaps the Mod has info.

 

I think I could get away with listing on my website or here a list of sexual acts I offer, but I prefer to play it safe in that regard. I may lose a certain clientele but my marketing strategy provides me with another. There are clients who prefer discretion and subtleties.

 

While I enjoy a broad range of sexual acts, in terms of my work I find I enjoy a clientele who, like me, is looking for an overall pleasurable experience rather than specific acts as their main determining factor.

 

To each their own. There is room in this endeavour for different approaches, different tastes and different strategies. I think the most important thing is for people to do what feels what is most comfortable for them - clients and providers alike.

 

-

 

Back to the intial post and some of the suggestions.

 

Regardless, of whether a provider promotes him/herself with detailed lists of sexual acts or is more discrete, it is in the provider's best interest to reply to any inquiries in a polite manner. As long as the inquiry is polite to begin with (you'd be surprised at the rude requests we receive). Rude emails tend to get non-responses.

 

Of course, if a specific sexual act is so important to a client, doing his/her research is key.

Very well said Charlotte. Of course, it took me 10 minutes to read your post, as I kept getting distracted by your pictures...

[drg23 124]

I dunno this is a rather tricky subject in my opinion. I would say that similarly as it is the clients responsibility to show up on time, pay the appropriate amount, treat your lady with respect and avoid no shows at all costs it is the SP's reponsibility to answer direct questions about their service. Now we all know there are peoples on both sides of the fence that fail in this regard but all we can do is try our best to interact harmoniously as both participants are interdependent on each other for this all to work.... A symbiotic relationship, you know, like those little fish that clean off sharks and in return dont get eaten lol.

 

In the end though we are all humans, maybe the SP was just having a bad day. Either way i'm sure it was nothing personal