If other girls are lowering price???

[bcguy42 38594]

I was taking a rough guess at what the majority of SPs would do. I'm sure some do pay taxes but I'm guessing the majority don't...at least not on income made from doing this.

Why is it wrong to assume how much an SP makes? Same as assuming how much a bank clerk makes or a doctor makes.

 

I'm finding some of the Client-side responses in this thread to be amazing.

 

In the last instance, on what basis does one "take a rough guess at what the majority of SPs would do". Does this come from handling the financials for a great number of SPs? IMHO making the assumption that most or any SPs do not file taxes is not a good assumption. Nor is making any assumptions on annual income.

 

Earlier on in this thread there was a crack about SPs making 20 times the average wage. This is seriously "apples and oranges" in that the $10/hr wage earner is not paying rent for the business, is not paying the utilities, the taxes, the wholesale price of the goods being handled. Elsewhere in the thread is a very good description of what costs are incurred by the SP.

 

So I guess I'm in the "I'm OK with that the SP charges" camp. Yes, there are some I would like to see that I cannot afford. There are also a lot charging in a price range I can afford. I can't afford a Mercedes but I'm not going use the term gouging to describe Mercedes price structure.

[PhantomKnight 7914]

I can understand both sides of the coin however there is a lot more risk in providing a service such as this as in comparison to sitting behind a desk and pushing paper. Most of these ladies also have day time jobs. So if you're not satisfied with the requested donation, then don't partake. Or get a second job to pay for your hobby.

[roamingguy 300292]

Yes, the ladies are rich being SP's and charging the rates they do.

And the gentlemen must also be equally rich if not more so since they can afford to see ladies

Some need a reality check. Remember, for the ladies this is their livelihood, their job, it pays their bills, raise a family, pays the rent etc etc etc. The ladies may make x number of dollars per hour. But they don't work 8 hours/day seven days a week, 365 days a year. And even if they do, so what, it is their business, not for anyone, especially prospective clients to question

And for the gentlemen, if we can afford to see ladies, that must mean we must be filthy rich. For us this lifestyle is a luxery. The assumption must be then that after all our bills are paid, we have lots of money left over to see ladies...and we must be rich. Reality, for most of us, this lifestyle is done on disposable income.

But as Emily put it "Well you should know it is very wrong to assume....you know the saying...." And really, no one should be concerned here about someone else's income, that is a private personal matter, not something for public disclosure

My rambling

RG

[Horndog66 14104]

The market will ultimately determine the viability of ladies' prices. As a pooner, I can decide whether or not to see a lady based on several criteria, including pricing. It is not appropriate to attempt to negotiate a stated price, to speculate how many clients a lady sees or whether she pays taxes. Frankly, I don't give a crap, as long as I receive fair value for my money.

 

The biggest complaint in Winnipeg is that in the past couple of years, many new SPs seem to think they deserve prices commensurate with those of well established SPs with good reputations. That is especially true of many newbies who advertise on BP and either don't provide names or change names frequently. Experienced pooners know to avoid them until and if they receive positive reviews from other trusted pooners. Many of Winnipeg's best escorts started out with pricing below the market average, built a good reputation and then raised their pricing to the market average. In the long run, I'm sure they've done better than the greedy newbies.

[CristyCurves 169032]

Is there a "service provider" category in that economic development study? Kinda doubt it!

I agree that girls can charge whatever they want to. But I, for one, won't pay over two hundred ever. No girl is worth that. Sorry just my opinion. I do this for kicks and spending three hundred is not fun!

Prices have gotten out of control. We see new girls posting ads for two fifty and up and a week later they are gone because prices are ridiculous

Considering this is tax free (I'm assuming SPs don't claim their income), three hundred an hour X 2 guys per day X 5 days per week X 40 weeks (taking into account time off) = one hundred twenty thousand per year tax free. This equates to close to two hundred thousand per year.

And prices aren't too high?!?!

Are you serious! No girl is worth that-great attitude!Considering this is tax free- so now you are our accountants! I PAY TAXES and who says we get two clients a day for 5 days per week and how do you justify when anyones income is enough or appropriate-thats not for you to do or your business, this atttitude towards" a girls value" is beyond ridiculous not the rates. Did you forget we are human, have feelings, minds, personalities not just pieces of ass! Sorry but this is just my opinion but you are exactly the type of client I try very hard to avoid!!

The men that are complaining about our rates do you do the same when you go to the grocery store, car dealer, clothing store, do you tell them their cars, food, ect aren't worth $$, lol I'm sure that would get you far. Believe me the girls that are seeing high volume at low cost come and go because they burn out faster and harder and are not interested -in most cases-as there always are exceptions- in providing a quality service it's more about gaining a lump sum of money.

[baileydog 9367]

I remember a similar thread last year when I was new to cerb and had not seen a service provider since the very first time - in 1978

 

my remark then was that I was surprised to see that prices were quite flat over the significant number of years between 2011 and 1978

 

yes that 1978 encounter was in Edmonton in the middle of an oil boom ... and it cost me a little over $200

 

but last time I checked, Alberta was in the midst of another boom ... and it is not hard to find SPs charging a little over $200

 

 

... and to an earlier point ... luckily I can afford to pay quite a bit over $200 and have often done so ... and enjoyed the longer encounters tremendously

[Guest s*r***a**9]

Glad to see I sparked some conversation.

I'm very respectful when I see an SP

...Emily, I've seen you twice and we got along great.

As for "kicks", isn't that what all the guys are in it for? Why else would we do it unless a guy is hoping to find his true love.

I assumed the majority of SPs don't pay taxes because the majority are young local girls (20-25) that won't be claiming anything they make from doing this...why would they?

I'm sure the higher end SPs do claim taxes, as a few have stated. I didn't say no one does, only the majority don't.

[roamingguy 300292]

Sorry, just flashed to me, but when you look at what Ministers, MP's/MPP's, professional athletes and executives at major corporations make, and some begrudge what a professional companion charges. The ladies provide us with a much needed escape, a fantasy, and no strings attached companionship. I can look back at the encounters I've had, and in most cases they were worth what the donation was. In fact in some cases some of the encounters you couldn't put a price on it, they were that memorable.

I just can't say the same of politicians, athletes or executives though, and you, me and everyone directly or indirectly pays for those salaries.

RG

[b****56 477]

well said Christy .... I'm sure you want clients to be focussing on their time with you, not bitching and grumpy about the cost ....

 

.. its also totally ridiculous to suggest that SP's don't pay taxes ... sigh

[rob spence 1199]

Just wanted to put my opinion in

Everyone has there price point if its too much move on, if its too cheap you gotta wonder why. The Sp's got a lot of risk in what they do and that alone is worth alot. Everyone charges accordingly. As for us hobbisits we stick to our budget. Everyone is allowed there price, no matter what it is. Dont talk inflation cause everything goes up no matter what it is. Yes theres gotta be limit of some sort but with everyone around 200-300 theres no huge difference.

[mrgreen760 37785]

Personally if I'm not comfortable with a rate for the service that I seek then I don't book, simple as that. I'm not going to haggle, debate or complain about it because it's just not that important to me and ultimately the market place will decide any way. It's a want to not a need to thing for me so I pick my spots and play on terms that are acceptable to me.

 

Always a fun thread to read though :)

 

Peace

MG

[EmilyRushton 253372]

Glad to see I sparked some conversation.

I'm very respectful when I see an SP

...Emily, I've seen you twice and we got along great.

As for "kicks", isn't that what all the guys are in it for? Why else would we do it unless a guy is hoping to find his true love.

I assumed the majority of SPs don't pay taxes because the majority are young local girls (20-25) that won't be claiming anything they make from doing this...why would they?

I'm sure the higher end SPs do claim taxes, as a few have stated. I didn't say no one does, only the majority don't.

I like to think that my guests visiting with me are coming for a relaxing escape and more than slam bam thank you mam kicks....Most people I have met visit with me for a mental and physical connection, hardly something id refer to as kicks.

 

If you have met me, then your comment on what you wont pay over is a lie in regards to price.

 

Why assume that young local girls wont be claiming anything? More and more ladies pay taxes and you'd probably be surprised if you knew how many actually did.

[b****56 477]

I like to think that my guests visiting with me are coming for a relaxing escape and more than slam bam thank you mam kicks....Most people I have met visit with me for a mental and physical connection, hardly something id refer to as kicks.

 

If you have met me, then your comment on what you wont pay over is a lie in regards to price.

 

Why assume that young local girls wont be claiming anything? More and more ladies pay taxes and you'd probably be surprised if you knew how many actually did.

 

Exactly my thoughts .. a relaxing escape ! !

[rubintugger 3323]

Wow... from an innocent question from a new SP to a full blown economic debate.

 

As in everything, perception is the key. If a SP decides she's worth $300, and isn't, and the phone rarely rings, she has a decision. Get better at her job, and find a way to let people know, lower the price to make it meet her actual value to the market, or retire if she doesn't want to do what is necessary in an hour to earn $300.

 

I've been with ladies that charged less than market rate to customers they liked because they'd rather have 10 sessions they enjoyed rather than putting up with 5 sessions they did not.

 

I'm here right now because I have a hankering, and was considering trying someone new. Does price enter into it? You bet it does. I have a budget, and I'll stretch it in certain cases for certain SP's, but generally, I am hard pressed to try a new SP at over $200 unless I have multiple recommends from trusted sources that have similar tastes to mine.

 

Using this formula, I rarely am disappointed.

 

Would I like to see a standard price more in the $150 range? You betcha. Would it lower the amount I spend? Nope, I'd just get more value for my money.

 

$250 is a lot, especially for a first visit, not knowing chemistry and spark.

 

Just spitballing here, $200/session, 2 sessions a day, 15 working days a month is $6k a month. Figuring they pay tax on half (smart way to do it), that works out to the equivalent of about $90k a year to the rest of us.

 

Not a bad living... 2 hours a day, 15 days a month.

[b****56 477]

I really can't understand where this magic number of $200 came from ??

and why is $250 suddenly "a lot" ???

[DwayneR 2105]

The market will ultimately determine the viability of ladies' prices. As a pooner, I can decide whether or not to see a lady based on several criteria, including pricing. It is not appropriate to attempt to negotiate a stated price, to speculate how many clients a lady sees or whether she pays taxes. Frankly, I don't give a crap, as long as I receive fair value for my money.

 

The biggest complaint in Winnipeg is that in the past couple of years, many new SPs seem to think they deserve prices commensurate with those of well established SPs with good reputations. That is especially true of many newbies who advertise on BP and either don't provide names or change names frequently. Experienced pooners know to avoid them until and if they receive positive reviews from other trusted pooners. Many of Winnipeg's best escorts started out with pricing below the market average, built a good reputation and then raised their pricing to the market average. In the long run, I'm sure they've done better than the greedy newbies.

 

I agree with Horndog.

The rate is the rate. Who cares about the rest. "fair value for my money"

I alway felt if I asked for a sliding rate, I would get service also on the same sliding scale and I don't want that. If the rate is to high I just move on.

[rubintugger 3323]

$250 vs. $200? Why the difference? Why are things $4.99 instead of $5?

 

Some of it is Psychological for me, some of it comes down to rates for other professionals. Lawyers, Plumbers, Electricians... and again, there are good and bad in all those professions, there are plumbers I'd be happier paying $100/hr than others I can hire for $25.

 

When a SP can earn in 2 hours what a person flipping burgers makes in a week, that makes it a little real.

 

Just curious... what would you think would happen to rates if the hobby became legal, and had government approved brothels, with employees getting benefits like daycare, dental, etc... ? Would an hourly sex worker get anywhere close to what they make now were it legit?

[emb3750 9398]

This is a great question....but if we're gonna touch it, someone please start a new thread. This topic can stand on it own.

 

E.

 

 

Just curious... what would you think would happen to rates if the hobby became legal, and had government approved brothels, with employees getting benefits like daycare, dental, etc... ? Would an hourly sex worker get anywhere close to what they make now were it legit?

[Andee 220524]

I have been biting my tongue to respond to this thread which is fraught with a lot of misinformation and ignorant comments.

 

I am from Ottawa, not Winnipeg, but that has no bearing on what I'm about to say. To those of you who think our rates are out of control, unreasonable and that we have no business trying to equate ourselves with the rest of the economy because after all it's assumed none of us pay taxes and just lie on our back waiting for the phone to ring collecting our supposed easy money.

 

For your information, most of us who have been around for awhile are actually charging the same or even less than we did 10 or 15 years ago. For example in 2002, my half hour rate was $150. It is currently $130 and when I run a special, it is $120.

 

A 7 day insertion for a 4 line ad in Ottawa Sun newspaper cost $45. in 1998. The same ad costs $176. in 2012.

 

So some of us have actually not given ourselves a raise in quite a long time and are actually making less.

 

And I have to be available 12 hours a day to try and meet my my minimum daily quota (in my case I am a low volume provider so that is two, half hour calls or a one hour call per day) because there is more competition.

 

So, for all intents and purposes, we are having to work longer to make less.

 

That's all I have to say about that.

[Desiree Delights 2210]

1) not everyone sees "2 customers" per day - there are slow times in this business just like any other

2) if a "customer" calls weekly (or more) that is their choice. they do

not have the right to demand "cheaper" rates from everyone because of their frequent calling.

3) my rate is the same as what was charged here over ten years ago, and i have been told by hundreds that that "is too expensive!"

4) alot of the escorts are "new" to the sites - and are not "RICH' - for those that are, that's not the customers' concern or business anyway.

5) this being a "free country" the escorts are "free" to charge whatever they want and customers should not "haggle" or be abusive to those they "cannot afford" - a little maturity is much needed regarding this.

Do people who "cannot afford" a lamborghini call the company and tell them what to charge? ...no...

[Meg O'Ryan 266444]

People....this is becoming a bit childish! The sarcastic digs don't fit well with the cerb mantra. Shall we resume a more civilized line of discussion before the thread ends up in the cerb cemetery?

[roamingguy 300292]

Wow... from an innocent question from a new SP to a full blown economic debate.

 

As in everything, perception is the key. If a SP decides she's worth $300, and isn't, and the phone rarely rings, she has a decision. Get better at her job, and find a way to let people know, lower the price to make it meet her actual value to the market, or retire if she doesn't want to do what is necessary in an hour to earn $300.

 

I've been with ladies that charged less than market rate to customers they liked because they'd rather have 10 sessions they enjoyed rather than putting up with 5 sessions they did not.

 

I'm here right now because I have a hankering, and was considering trying someone new. Does price enter into it? You bet it does. I have a budget, and I'll stretch it in certain cases for certain SP's, but generally, I am hard pressed to try a new SP at over $200 unless I have multiple recommends from trusted sources that have similar tastes to mine.

 

Using this formula, I rarely am disappointed.

 

Would I like to see a standard price more in the $150 range? You betcha. Would it lower the amount I spend? Nope, I'd just get more value for my money.

 

$250 is a lot, especially for a first visit, not knowing chemistry and spark.

 

Just spitballing here, $200/session, 2 sessions a day, 15 working days a month is $6k a month. Figuring they pay tax on half (smart way to do it), that works out to the equivalent of about $90k a year to the rest of us.

 

Not a bad living... 2 hours a day, 15 days a month.

 

While spitballing, couple things to factor into the equation. Maybe not everyday a lady works two hours a day, some days she may not see any clients. Maybe there is a slump in business, this business as in all businesses do have downturns. The lady's rate isn't 100 percent profit, there are expenses (clothing, travel in some cases, hotel or other incall not to mention condoms, lubricants etc, just to name a few)

Now if a lady were to reduce her rates, she may just not find it worthwhile income wise to even be a provider and end up getting out of this lifestyle

I've said it before, I'll say it again. For the gentlemen, this is a social time, an indulgance, an escape to get away, even for a hour or two from the outside world. But for the ladies, who provide us with that indulgance and escape, to them, this is their job, their livelihood. But they are so good at their profession, it seems like it is as much a social encounter for them too. But do you really think we would see the ladies if they weren't making enough to cover expenses, not to mention make a liveable income

And for those filthy rich ladies gouging us men (tongue in cheek here) more power to you. Most of the ladies (there are a few fortunately in my experience, very few exceptions) all earn every dollar they charge for a donation.

Ladies, charge what you feel you are worth, not what some guys wish you would charge

My evening rambling

RG

[Guest N***he**Ont**y]

As someone who is considered self employed I have a great deal of insight on what it costs to run a business . I must pay my own benefits, pension costs, taxes etc plus travel from time to time. I can relate to what expenses a SP has to cover plus make a profit. It is expensive to pay for webhosting,advertising,travel and accomedation these days taxes,benefits pensions for retirement.These lovely ladies know exactly what their break even costs are and how much they must charge to make a profit. Only the individual SP can decide what the value is of the services that they a provide IMO! Save up your money gentlemen so that you can choose the best of the "Ladies Of Cerb"who are the best in the business. Sometimes anticipation makes the experience more memorable. We are so lucky to be able to meet such fine ladies!

[Ry-ry 310]

I think that prices have gotten way too high in the last while. $300.....i've been burnt on that, because i'm assuming that for that price, it's going to be better than usual, and i've had rush jobs at that price. On the other hand, if an SP can guarantee outstanding service, then I think that it's warranted. It's just that "great service" is in the eye of the beholder--far too often, I think that alot of the younger SP's that want to cash in on the "young and hot" thing, think that they can charge $300 for being "young and hot". Not quite. I want a little bit of insight and some ability by them to be able to talk about a wide variety of issues going on in the world, not just the latest Twilight saga, you know what I mean? I actually pay more for the overall experience--the candor, the wisdom, the laughs; the appreciation of culture.

 

I don't go to the Keg and pay $30 bucks for a steak dinner. I don't buy a meal. I buy an experience. I go there to buy the ambience, the multi-course meal; something that I cannot get at home. I apply the same principle to anything that I pay for, and it's why I shop at Safeway, for example, rather than Superstore. Yeah, it's cheaper at Superstore, but you have to bag your own stuff and deal with rude shoppers there. I'm all for the "get what you pay for" mentality, just as long as i'm actually getting more with paying for more.

 

The same holds true for a session--i'm not buying sex, i'm paying for an experience. I mean, it's tough to beat my hand, if you're talking about pure orgasmic quality. I book time with SP's, because there is only so much that my hand can do, y'know?

 

Hope this did well to be objective as to why SP's should be charging no more than $250 if they can't provide a well balanced session. I think that a high price is actually having the opposite effect now....if guys have been burnt on paying for more and still getting less, then why pay more?

 

Edit: also thinking more as to why rates may be lowered, is that the internet has opened up far more competition. BP, in particular, anyone can post there, there's really no quality filter; every SP claims "unrushed" and "great" services, but it gets to be a tad.....tiresome to filter out who's actually great, and who's not. I think that EC sort of filtered it out in that you at least had to pay a high fee to advertise there. Not to say that all the SP's there have had the best services, but it did sort of filter out less serious ones.

[Guest N***he**Ont**y]

You guys don't get it do you? Its their business and they get to set the scale for what services they provide. This is not a typical retail situation that forces the prices up and down due to market forces.