auto351204 669 Report post Posted December 8, 2012 It is amazing (and depressing) to me that SPs are not allowed the legal right to work in the States. I am unable and unwilling to risk such an encounter due to the legal repercussions and how it would impact other parts of my life. Making this type of transaction illegal also results in less savory characters being involved and certainly discourages quality ladies who might otherwise do what they want with their bodies. When I had my first experience in Canada (thank you, Emmy St. Claire of Victoria), it changed me. It was so refreshing to visit an intelligent, sophisticated, and lovely person -- and we could behave without fear of anything. I guess what I want to say is: I love Canada (and its lovely, lovely ladies)...! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dipper 1033 Report post Posted December 8, 2012 Ah Americans.......... seeking our naturals resources........ I guess that`s what free trade is all about...lol 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waterat 20911 Report post Posted December 8, 2012 Our friends to our south have the right to bear arms and we have the right to bare breasts! Thank you Gwen Jacobs and all women too! 5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crankF 12893 Report post Posted December 8, 2012 (edited) Ah Americans.......... seeking our naturals resources........ I guess that`s what free trade is all about...lol Yes, we crave your lubricants, both fossil based from the earth and natural from the ladies. To heck with NAFTA, we should form ASSTA. Edited December 8, 2012 by crankF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
backrubman 64800 Report post Posted December 8, 2012 It has always seemed odd to me that an allegedly democratic and free country is so repressive compared to Canada (and many other countries) on this matter. I once spoke with an SP who told me she had done two years in prison for soliciting in Florida. If what she was telling me was all there was to it (and she swears there were no other charges) then it seemed cruel and unusual punishment. Sure, that would be a crime in Canada as well but might be a fine? And these days, likely nothing beyond a warning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boomer 33202 Report post Posted December 8, 2012 It has always seemed odd to me that an allegedly democratic and free country is so repressive compared to Canada (and many other countries) on this matter. In one area they seem to be moving in a relatively more liberal way, marijuana. Washington and Colorado have voted to decriminalize. As far as sex I tend to be a very good boy when in the states. If a Canadian gets arrested and sentenced it's considered a crime of moral turpitude and you are barred from entering the US for life. I've got family there so that's a risk I wouldn't take. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
backrubman 64800 Report post Posted December 8, 2012 In one area they seem to be moving in a relatively more liberal way, marijuana. Washington and Colorado have voted to decriminalize. Yes and that has some of my American associates totally bent out of shape (irrationally so) so I expect any attempt to legalize prostitution beyond the very few areas (like some counties in Nevada) would be met with much resistance. Of course I do have my own concerns about legalizing marijuana (no road side Breathalyzer for that) but other than people that are not used to the substance then driving after having a little too much I do not view it with the same vigorous objections they do. As far as sex I tend to be a very good boy when in the states. If a Canadian gets arrested and sentenced it's considered a crime of moral turpitude and you are barred from entering the US for life. I've got family there so that's a risk I wouldn't take. Yes, very wise approach. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capital Hunter 18263 Report post Posted December 8, 2012 It has always seemed odd to me that an allegedly democratic and free country is so repressive compared to Canada (and many other countries) on this matter.. American society is a lot more conservative (religious) compare to Canada especially in the southern States. The laws of a country reflect the beliefs of its society and that is why in a country which stands for freedom and democracy in the world, prostitution laws are so repressive when it comes to this particular profession. Best to stay away from seeing sex workers in the States when visiting as one must obey the laws of the country, as is (like it or not) when visiting that country and your Canadian citizenship will not protect you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phaedrus 209521 Report post Posted December 9, 2012 In one area they seem to be moving in a relatively more liberal way, marijuana. Washington and Colorado have voted to decriminalize. It'll be interesting to see how the Federal govt responds to that, though. As far as sex I tend to be a very good boy when in the states. If a Canadian gets arrested and sentenced it's considered a crime of moral turpitude and you are barred from entering the US for life. I've got family there so that's a risk I wouldn't take. Yep. Agreed. Not worth it, especially given that we're spoiled for choice here. I don't theink you'd be absolutely banned... but you'd have to apply for a visa, and there's no guarantee you'd get it. As an aside... has anyone ever seen the word "turpitude" in any context other than on a US immigration document? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
igab 5629 Report post Posted December 9, 2012 American society is a lot more conservative (religious) compare to Canada especially in the southern States. The laws of a country reflect the beliefs of its society and that is why in a country which stands for freedom and democracy in the world, prostitution laws are so repressive when it comes to this particular profession. Best to stay away from seeing sex workers in the States when visiting as one must obey the laws of the country, as is (like it or not) when visiting that country and your Canadian citizenship will not protect you. Absolutely. I was down there on business a couple years ago and had some extra time and cash on my hands. As usual I was horny as hell and looked up the info on local escorts. I couldn't find any info like we share up here on local boards and there was a lot of talk of LE involvement. In the end I just stayed in the hotel room and watched a porno. Not worth the chance of arrest etc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ngtime 560 Report post Posted December 10, 2012 SP's and MA's are just as bountiful and available pretty much anywhere in America. Like Canada it is tolerated too, and just like Canada there can be risks. A recent trip to Florida and New York too confirms that. Maybe in some bible county in Mississippi things are different. This thread has a bit of Canadian smugness to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phaedrus 209521 Report post Posted December 10, 2012 SP's and MA's are just as bountiful and available pretty much anywhere in America. Like Canada it is tolerated too, and just like Canada there can be risks. A recent trip to Florida and New York too confirms that. Maybe in some bible county in Mississippi things are different. I'm well aware that the legality of the exchange of companionship for greenbacks varies in different places across the US, but I think that three things are undeniable: - it's legal everywhere in Canada - it's illegal in a majority of US jurisdictions - US LE are far more zealous about pursuing SPs and their clients than their Canadian counterparts. Which is not to say that the oldest profession doesn't exist south of the border... just that things there are... harder. This thread has a bit of Canadian smugness to it. Yes, I'd agree with that. But I think that smugness is entirely justified. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cat 262460 Report post Posted December 10, 2012 It'll be interesting to see how the Federal govt responds to that, though. Yep. Agreed. Not worth it, especially given that we're spoiled for choice here. I don't theink you'd be absolutely banned... but you'd have to apply for a visa, and there's no guarantee you'd get it. As an aside... has anyone ever seen the word "turpitude" in any context other than on a US immigration document? Crimes of Moral Turpitude carry a mandatory lifetime deportation in the US as signed into effect by Bill Clinton just before he left office. CMT's are considered a "Crime against the State" and is a federal offense with indictment after the misdemeanor prostitution charge is dealt with on the state level but often the state level paperwork slips into large stacks on the Feds desks for the clients, not to be processed for years to come. It will eventually catch up with you though, rest assured. Non citizen females charged are systematically denied bail and held as flight risks then turned over to federal agents once their state charges and sentences are complete. 10 years AFTER the deportation process is COMPLETE (it can take years and you will have to surrender into custody and sit in jail for at least 30 days), the deportee can apply to the US State department for a temporary travel waiver which has 99% decline rate for CMT's. Travel waivers are usually only issued for prior immigration offenses and those have over a 70% decline rate. I had 2 years sitting in a law library with a $100G's lawyer sorting this mess out while dressed in orange. They couldn't prove I was a prostitute but I couldn't prove I didn't know anything about it, thus they found me guilty of conspiracy. Final verdict? I can never return to the US because of a single conviction of conspiracy related to prostitution... cat 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
neebleton 2940 Report post Posted December 10, 2012 I don't even care so much that it's illegal in the US, what matters more to me is the harshness of the penalties. These include: public shaming, being put on sex offender registries (along with rapists and pedophiles), being sent to "john school" re-education camps, and as mentioned above, effective exile. These punishments seem entirely out of proportion with what is a consensual act with no harms to the person or state. It reminds of Singapore where the punishment for drug dealing is execution (though recently they softened their response to merely life imprisonment with torture) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ngtime 560 Report post Posted December 10, 2012 Just returned from South Florida, and I will withhold the name of one of the most famous and posh hotels. Available to the public is the finest array of good looking women and their services. We are not talking streetwalkers here. There is a strong police and security presence and there is absolutely no intrusion by the authorities. Certainly more wide open than I have seen around here. There is open advertising of all services in the press on the internet. So these sweeping vague generalities of America are unjustified. America is a huge country and very diverse, we are not talking Utah here. As I have said previously there can be risks anywhere, have there not been any visits to body rub parlors in Ottawa-Gatineau? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brockvilleman 615 Report post Posted December 10, 2012 It is amazing (and depressing) to me that SPs are not allowed the legal right to work in the States. I am unable and unwilling to risk such an encounter due to the legal repercussions and how it would impact other parts of my life. Making this type of transaction illegal also results in less savory characters being involved and certainly discourages quality ladies who might otherwise do what they want with their bodies. When I had my first experience in Canada (thank you, Emmy St. Claire of Victoria), it changed me. It was so refreshing to visit an intelligent, sophisticated, and lovely person -- and we could behave without fear of anything. I guess what I want to say is: I love Canada (and its lovely, lovely ladies)...! you have to love a country that has a beaver on one of it's coins Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
saluki17 1144 Report post Posted December 10, 2012 OK, American chiming in! ;) I would say that there is very little difference, in general, between how hobbyists "play" in the two countries, speaking from experience. I have had very many good experiences in the states. I do my research and peruse the review boards and forums before choosing. I stay away from -------- and CL and other sites where the ladies come and go, and only meet with well-reviewed ladies. The one big difference I see is that US women are much more careful and more often require a thorough referencing process. Taking all that into consideration, I am happy I live within 20 miles of the Canadian border! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
auto351204 669 Report post Posted December 10, 2012 Maybe it's because I live in the "deep South" that the legal and social impacts are much greater than elsewhere. If I could find a very discrete, private individual where a level of trust could be developed then I --might-- consider pursuing the hobby here. Because I have not found the right way to contact one of these ladies who is not on CL or BP, then it is a non-starter for me. It really is sad... (poor me!) :-) That's one reason that CERB is so refreshing! 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
