no more term of GFE with CBJ

[mustang19671967 100]

I had an unpleasant get together with a local sp who describes herself as a GFE. We meet and everything is going well then one her way to doing oral she tries to slap on a condom. I nicely say your ad say GFE, cbj is not a GFE. So after we fight about this she asks me to leave which I do taking the money I had left but leaving her a little for her time but not much.

 

I have no problems with sp's doing cbj, as long as they advertise as such, and have noticed a few who advertise as safe GfE, this kind of advertising is tricky. If you offer cbj you are in no way offering a GFE experience.

 

I know there are going to be some who think I'm picking on sp's, but that is not true, just be clear in your advertisng either its GFE or it's not GFE, and before someone asks GFE does include sex with a condom( unless you are nuts)

[B***k-L**n 141]

II do find that a bit picky. I offer gfe to but only offer Cbj. Its called safe gfe and I have never received a complaint.fighting an sp about this I don't think should have happened. If that's the one aspect that was missing from the gfe add you need to just let that go.

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[PistolPete 61421]

GFE can be understood / described either way. Some ladies offer BBBJ some do not not, the long list of GFE activities can be often misread..ie...GFE but does not allow kissing. So it always best to find out prior to your engagement, if a lady states safe GFE I normally understand CBJ, which I have no issue with, as long the other activities are also spelled out.

Don't think you were picking on Sp's simply pointing out your view on the subject.

 

**I should add...no fighting

[loneskater 25635]

If you do soem research on this in here you will see it has been debated many times before, even MOD made a few commnets on the issus. GFE is a style of service not a type of service. 2 different things all together. Over the years I have met SPs that do give BBBJ and in no way I would describe them as GFE. As a matter of fact some ladies was quite mechanical and in a rush to be done.

 

On the other hand I have met quite a few ladies who give CBJ but are very GFE. Non rush service and they reallly care about me not just about the money I hand them out. One of my favorites SP, does provide GFE service and she is the one that I see most often. I would say she has been a great friend and if I had to make a choice ane have to limit myself to seeing only one SP she is certainly at the top of my list.

 

If in your opinion GFE includes BBBJ then you should have mentioned you wanted this type of service. You should not be commenting about the SP when there is no place that defines GFE as including BBBJ. As a client you should not assume things and if you want a specific service ask when you book.

 

I had an unpleasant get together with a local sp who describes herself as a GFE. We meet and everything is going well then one her way to doing oral she tries to slap on a condom. I nicely say your ad say GFE, cbj is not a GFE. So after we fight about this she asks me to leave which I do taking the money I had left but leaving her a little for her time but not much.

 

I have no problems with sp's doing cbj, as long as they advertise as such, and have noticed a few who advertise as safe GfE, this kind of advertising is tricky. If you offer cbj you are in no way offering a GFE experience.

 

I know there are going to be some who think I'm picking on sp's, but that is not true, just be clear in your advertisng either its GFE or it's not GFE, and before someone asks GFE does include sex with a condom( unless you are nuts)

[Guest f***2f***]

I'm sure this one will get a lot of comment. My personal opinion is that GFE is an overused term and now is becoming so vague as not to convey any meaning at all.

I mean if you have to qualify that with "safe" or "msog" or "no digits" then the meaning is not being conveyed with the GFE acronym.

 

I must say I never had a girlfriend who wanted to slap a condom on me for a bj and I would have to agree with mustang that cbj is not GFE. If no msog or digits or whatever that would seem to be a WE (wife experience)!!:shock:

[Seymour 3970]

The terms GFE, PSE etc are subjective. In an unregulated industry it is difficult if not impossible to have everyone in different time zones agree on definitions and nomenclature.

 

While some advertisers do specify 'services' like BBBJ or CBJ or both -some do not as there may be situations that arise where the provider may not be able to perform certain services (for instance a client arrives with bad or poor hygiene or bad attitude or..).

 

I'm not saying this was the case with you today (I was not there, nor do I want to be there). Just using this to make the point that while some providers do not necessarily provide a list of acronyms on their ad, they may have legitimate reasons for not doing so.

 

From a client perspective, if I write a recommendation of a provider, (and others do this also) I specify "safe GFE" - rather than CBJ.

 

I understand there are different schools of thought out there as we're all different. Some are after specific services like BBBJ or other based on a certain fantasy. Yet for others, when you're with someone who rocks your world, CBJ or BBBJ does not matter in the fantasy.

 

Sorry to hear you did not have a good time. Hopefully you were fair in terms of the $$ you left the lady. Chalk it up to lessons learnt for future experiences. Ultimately, I suppose it goes back to communication. We've talked about this before about asking politely for info on specific services so that as a client, one passes the provider's screening process.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

In my view GFE does NOT include anything unsafe like BBBJ as much as it does NOT include unprotected FS that most girlfriends will provide. Please note the letter 'E' at the end stands for experience.

 

In my view GFE includes services provided by a lady who willingly provides emotional aspects of a having a girlfriend (conversing, kissing, hugging, cuddling, dancing, sharing drinks, etc.) as well as SAFE physical aspects (LFK/DFK, DATY and protected FS). It is important to me that in every encounter the safety of the lady as well as myself to come first and foremost, and for that reason I personally never ask for BBBJ and don't consider that as a part of GFE.

[VedaSloan 119179]

I offer GFE and PSE and in terms of BJs, I just let guys know that CBJ is at my discretion, or at the client's request. I normally do bbbj, but if your member is looking sketch, I cover it up.

 

I'd have to agree with loneskater though. Both GFE and PSE are attitudes and style, and not necessarily about what services we will (or won't) perform.

[capitalman 3861]

GFE is more like an advertising gimmick. Its gets to be if you don't say it in your ad, nobody will call you.

[B***k-L**n 141]

I aggree with you capitalman. It seems to be our only option out there. Its always best to discuss in advance with an sp about services because no two sps are the same. If we were to take the word girlfriend literally I know a few females that won't go down there on a guy with their mouth. So to assume gfe in reality who knows what you could get? Now that wouldn't be a good time!

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[Guest f***2f***]

Well I think that's what I was saying too....it's become a meaningless acronym. :-D

[m**k 153]

I tend to disagree with some of the guys. I would bet that this sp's recommendation mentions YMMV or some description of what was experienced by another cerber. If that isn't the case (there is no recommendation)...then you are TOFTT and taking your chances that the advert or post is what you are expecting. In these cases, asking questions in advance is the only way to get what you want.

[cordsboy 184]

I am leaning on the side that GFE is more the overall experience with the SP: conversation, kissing, foreplay... while I agree and love BBBJ I would not question if an SP preferred giving a CBJ (ultimately its her mouth on my junk). Probably the best way to make sure you know what you are getting is to ask before hand.

[Cowboy kenny 50799]

Ok, first off for the record... Brook-lyn provides AWESOME safe GFE, I'm good either way cbj or bbj which ever the lady prefers and feels most comfortable with.

 

 

Now becareful what you ask for, GFE doesn't mean the end all and be all. I had a girlfriend once who HATED oral well giving that is... She was pretty much up to anything but hated the act of bj, the relationship did not last long, not just for that reason but it certainly was a factor, now that was a Girl Friend Experience I don't think anyone here would want to partake in!

[m**k 153]

It is a GFE and if the experience isn't to our liking, we move on. But there is no reason to argue or fight about it, that just ain't right!

[mustang19671967 100]

when I made the appointment I made in clear that I was more interested in oral than vaginal sex, and since it said GFE and nothing about safe gfe or cbj that bbbj was on the menu. It might be partly my fault for believing for the most part of what I have read the gfe would include bbbj as I have never had a girlfriend who ever did cbj. As for the theory of gfe including the emotional feelings of a girlfriend unless you have been with the same sp for a while there is no emotional attachment. Again all I am saying is that for some guys it doesnt matter what type of oral it is, and for others there is a big difference. so I think that when describing yourself as a gfe somewhere let it be known that it says safe or cbj most people expect bbbj. And it wasnt a calling names fight it was more of a big argument. When people are charging $$$ and you feel cheated don't give in unless you are proven wrong

[m**k 153]

Well that changes everything....why didn't you say so before:razz:. If you discussed oral before ('made it clear') then the type of service offered should have been mentioned by the sp and it does come in a variety of ways (excuse the pun)...anyway, my 2 cents worth.

[capitalman 3861]

Also, I can think of at least one SP I was with that was so good at the GFE that she even stalked me here on CERB and if I was looking at another SP, she'd get after me, like a jealous GF! Sometimes I wasn't sure if she was serious or joking.....it was a true GFE!

[canuckhooker 19203]

I am going to be in violent agreement here with many of the posters. If you want BBBJ or any other particular service, then discuss it with the SP when you book. Don't assume that it is included. Some definitions of GFE and/or PSE include Greek, but many SPs don't do it. On an hour session do you get MSOG? etc. You need to ask before hand. It will prevent a lot of problems if you know what you are getting into.

[fortunateone 156618]

I am going to be in violent agreement here with many of the posters. If you want BBBJ or any other particular service, then discuss it with the SP when you book. Don't assume that it is included. Some definitions of GFE and/or PSE include Greek, but many SPs don't do it. On an hour session do you get MSOG? etc. You need to ask before hand. It will prevent a lot of problems if you know what you are getting into.

 

I totally agree. Never assume certain unsafe activities are automatically included because you define GFE or PSE a certain. I read a post once from someone responding to a definition of PSE that bbbjs should not be assumed -- I thought that was pretty strange, as I can't imagine a PSE with a cbj lol.

 

GFE is just to differentiate from straight fs, which will not often have any bj, covered or uncovered, and certainly no kissing or daty.

 

Also, I once pointed out to someone who assumed gfe automatically included bbbj, that they didn't assume CIM or COF, which is exactly what they would also expect from a real gf. So, basically never assume, & it is up to her to define it. Sometimes they will advertise cbj, but bbbj is available only for regulars or at the very least only for someone who shows up ymmv.

[Rachelle Reigns 4828]

Try and keep in mind guys that it is higly illegal to discuss what you will be getting except my time ;)! So myself I normally will not answer these questions such as "do you do bbbJ" and will send them off to read some reviews but to keep in mind YMMV......

 

So sometimes you just have to take a chance that is if she will not give you a clear answer and if there are no reviews out there...yes you may walk away unhappy but you also may walk away ecstatic...your choice boys!

 

Also Erin is correct here if your member is "sketchy" it will get covered nomatter what reviews may say!

 

Happy hobbying boys!

[YoungStud 468]

The terms GFE, PSE etc are subjective.

 

Exactly. Other than one stands for a phony girl friend experience and the other stands for a phony porn star experience, YMMV widely in each case.

 

Regardless of the specific services offered, those that like their fantasies can pretend as much is real as they like, depending on the acting skills of the EP they are seeing and the degree of their own need for unreality.

 

PSE is likely to involve more uncovered acts that GFE but each EP has her own definition, set of rules and standards which may vary from client to client and day to day. I've had what most people would call an extreme PSE from someone who advertises as GFE (because I asked and she agreed, for whatever reason) and a pretty boring mechanical time with someone who has advertised extreme PSE (because life is like that sometimes).

 

As others have noted, can you inquire about specific acts if they are of interest to you. But as Rachelle points out, you may or may not receive an answer or the answer you are looking for. In any case, never assume anything.

[m**k 153]

Looks like Mustang had the true GFE: Quote "...And it wasnt a calling names fight it was more of a big argument..." :-P I don't know about anyone else, but I would have stuck around just for the make up sex!

[mustang19671967 100]

Rachel that is exactly true, when I asked about it she said to read her advertising and all it said was GFE and she never said she would do bbbj but I told her thats what I wanted and again she said read the reviews and no where did it say cbj or bbbj. The bottom line is that in my mind GFE means sex with condom oral without kissing etc, but it is obvious now that gfe doesn't really mean anything its just a meaningless term, some GFE do bbbj some don't , some do dfk some don't or ymmv . So if there reviews don't say and they won't answer questions for fear of LE. There should be some standard terms,

 

And for the record this is the first time it happened, and will be the last

[buggernot 588]

As mentioned already, GFE is a style. As far as CBJ vs BBBJ goes, I never question a girl for whichever she chooses to do because that is her choice and what she feels comfortable with. I've seen a few girls start out doing BBBJ and then I see them again much later and that has changed. Obviously some bad experiences there so as not to take chances anymore. Does that make it non-GFE? I don't think so. And it seems like some agencies recommend that the girls do CBJ, yet they always advertise GFE.

 

I think BBBJ is a bonus, as is kissing. For something to register as "GFE" to me, kissing is essential, DATY is #2. CBJ...oh well. But then again, I'm not a huge fan of blowjobs unless I'm getting DT...and not every girl can do that.

 

It is not cool to argue with a SP ever though (unless she's a total bitch of course). If you expected something and it wasn't clear or there was miscommunication, you have to suck it up because arguing about it will never make the situation better...always worse. I've had some instances where I assumed MSOG where that wasn't the case, and ended up with a lot of time left on my hands (literally). But that was her policy or feeling for that moment and I didn't bother trying to convince her otherwise. I got told that for a reason so no point in making it worse. So if you know a girl that makes you happy, go back for more ;)