Increasing Demands on Dancers

[ulixestrojan 3757]

I had a phone conversation with one of my favourite dancers yesterday. She was frustrated by customers' increasing demands: let me finger you, let me play in your ass, suck my cock, etc.

 

She loves dancing and teasing. She is also a sweetheart that will have sex with guys she likes and trusts (believe me, we just had a little getaway that was mighty fine), just not in the club where she can get in trouble and lose her ability to make a living.

 

Is this normal - are the stakes being raised towards full service in clubs?

 

Ladies: how do you deal with this?

 

Guys: are you pushing the boundaries?

[Guest gagagaga]

it seems an obvious evolution to me. Years ago, dances were $5 each, no touching. Then it went to Champagne room $10, no touching. It then evolved to CR $20/song lots of touching. Many clubs have even installed piped in CR music with each song cut to 3 minutes so that the girls can make money faster.

 

You can't have it both ways; you can't expect to get rich and never be touched. At $20/song, 20 songs/hour, that's $400/hour. I would usually spend at least 30 minutes with a girl, thus costing me $200. For that kind of cash, I expect service. I do not say things Like "let me do???", but I will ask what I am allowed to do.

 

I have also gotten hj, bj, daty, dato, fs, etc in many clubs from many girls, so if some are providing, others have to expect that they may get asked to provide as well.

 

It's the dancers and clubs who have evolved this business in the direction it has gone, the customers are only more than happy to go with the flow.

 

Again, there is no excuse for rudeness, but if your friend is surprised at what she is being asked for, she should look around at what her friends are providing.

[Loki318 1631]

it seems an obvious evolution to me. Years ago, dances were $5 each, no touching. Then it went to Champagne room $10, no touching. It then evolved to CR $20/song lots of touching. Many clubs have even installed piped in CR music with each song cut to 3 minutes so that the girls can make money faster.

 

You can't have it both ways; you can't expect to get rich and never be touched. At $20/song, 20 songs/hour, that's $400/hour. I would usually spend at least 30 minutes with a girl, thus costing me $200. For that kind of cash, I expect service. I do not say things Like "let me do???", but I will ask what I am allowed to do.

 

I have also gotten hj, bj, daty, dato, fs, etc in many clubs from many girls, so if some are providing, others have to expect that they may get asked to provide as well.

 

It's the dancers and clubs who have evolved this business in the direction it has gone, the customers are only more than happy to go with the flow.

 

Again, there is no excuse for rudeness, but if your friend is surprised at what she is being asked for, she should look around at what her friends are providing.

 

Well said Joe!

I seldom go to the clubs any more as they have priced them selvs out of it for just a bit more you can have FS with a very good sp

 

Loki318

[Capital Hunter 18263]

I agree completely with comments made by Joe, however to answer your question (I am not sure if this was directed at ladies only or everyone, but I give my perspective):

 

If she doesn't want to do extras, then that is her choice, and your friend can choose more conservative clubs like Pink Panther at Gatineau where they have open CR and to the best of my knowledge nobody does extras (so the customers going there do not expect much).

 

If she doesn't mind doing extras but she is afraid that she may be caught and fired, then she may choose a more liberal SCs like Taboo or Playmates where almost everyone does some extras without getting fired. These extras however, does not include BJ or FS in any of these clubs and only a very slim minority of customers would ask for these extras in the SCs and she can decline without losing much money.

 

Whenever I want extras from a dancer, I invite her home for private dances, however, I can see why many guys would push the boundaries when each dance costs $20 for only 3 minutes (that is equivalent to $400 per hour as Joe said). And may be that is why SCs in Ottawa are gradually becoming ghost towns especially daytimes. I think that with those prices as well as the recent ease of access to escorts (with much lower prices for a lot more mileage) and their web sites and discussion boards most dancers may be pricing themselves out of dancing business.

 

I am the best example of above hypothesis. I used to go to SCs between 1995 to 2007 on average twice a week, however, I switched to escorts in 2007 and is very unlikely I will go back to SCs on a regular basis again (just once a month to visit friends I made in those SCs over many years. Those who do not do private dances).

[Alexa Cummings 878]

I go down to toronto to dance on occasion...Most clubs they will boot you out if they catch you and the others they will turn their heads just dont tell them yeah I did this or that...There are tons of girls...tons!!! So...with there being so many girls working, it means you have to be on top of your game that much more...Much more competition..Meaning girls will do extra things in or out of the club...So men asking I have np with but when they just assume all is well and they can finger me or what not that is when I get mad...If you ask you will find out the answer but just straight trying to stick some objoect up or on me isnt cool because your straight disrespecting us.

 

Prices for services also depends on where you are...Each girl usually has her own just like escorts as well...So before you start trying its best to see what your costs are gonna be at the end of the session...

 

The worst though is when they are drunk and wont listen and keep attemtping to touch when neither asked or been told not too...

[Guest f***2f***]

i agree with SA. I too graduated due to the cost in the SCs. Think about it...average cost for a good SP in Ottawa 2-300 an hour and you leave satisfied....an hour with a dancer $4oo+ and you leave frustrated...:mrgreen:

[Akhenaton 221]

I agree with everything above, in fact my preferrence moved away from SC's basically because of comfort and noise. Why have to buy a drink, pay the doorman, sit in a noisy environment, trying to figure out who to ask, and then being uncomfortable sitting, or what not... you can spend a whole hour with one special lady, one on one, no unwanted noise and no silly doorman pretending to watch (when in fact often just making sure the girls pay up what they should...) and breaking whatever mood the dancer can create...

 

Much better with an SP, not just price wise... now if you want a beer with friends witha great view, well, SC's are hard to beat ;)

[PistolPete 61421]

I haven't been to a strip club in years...and I mean years, perhaps I should see what all the fuss is about...or fuzz..no they are all probably well shaved down below..time for a SC outing!:boobies:

[Guest blo*****s]

JoeBlow has it right.

- Buying over-priced drinks

- 20.00 per song

- VIP rooms where songs are short or electronically sped up

- Teased, but not pleased - leaving frustrated

 

I wonder how stripclubs survive with all that against them.

I still go - mind you it is now a rare occasion.

I just love women too much to stay away, I guess - like most of us !

 

I haven't yet crossed over to doing the whole SP thing yet - but when you think about it, it is a much better deal.

 

I suppose this evolution to high priced ripoffs will continue for as long as there are horny guys with cash to blow for the temporary fantasy these dancers provide.

:wink:

[curious2 323]

Unlike many in this thread, I love them. The variety of girls is absolutely unbeatable. They're definitely not an economical way to achieve orgasms, but that's not what they're for. I love the way that they totally reverse the roles so that a shy guy who's anything but smooth and handsome can have lots of girls clamouring to get to him as long as he's got money. This can't be duplicated with an escort. There's definitely a market for both.

[Guest f***2f***]

Two of the sps I've seen were dancers but the cash and environment is better as an sp so they've graduated too....and I'm so glad they did.:mrgreen:

[Guest gagagaga]

In contrast to my previous post, I will state that I do still enjoy going to SC. I usually stick to taboo because I know that with some effort I can almost always get some extras and still spend only $200.

 

The thrill of the chase and excitement of being in public is quite attractive to me still.

[labialover 690]

In contrast to my previous post, I will state that I do still enjoy going to SC. I usually stick to taboo because I know that with some effort I can almost always get some extras and still spend only $200.

 

The thrill of the chase and excitement of being in public is quite attractive to me still.

 

Its strange how stimulating it can be to scramble around in a public confined space with a beauty of your choice that is open to all kinds of "sp like activities". Definitely a very dumb expensive route to take but intoxicating nonetheless.

[ulixestrojan 3757]

Thanks for the interesting comments. My take on strip clubs is quite different. I like watching the dancers. I like watching the clients and seeing their reactions after the Champagne room acting all cool. I like having a beer or two. Watching a girl twirl on the pole, hang upside down, twirl her hair, land in a splits, peel her clothing off, and all the classic moves, makes me glad to be living a burkha-free country.

 

The lap dances are a tease and part of my fantasy life. I have found that when the dancers like me, it is they who bring up extras and quite often (more than once a month) this leads to other activities: travel, shopping, sex, girlfriends, etc.

 

The money is not an issue - it may become one this year with the recession and the bankruptcy of a major client - but I see stripclubs as entertainment and fantasy. When I want to get my rocks off, I see a MA, a SP, a girlfriend, or sometimes just hook-up.

[Guest gagagaga]

isn't it nice that we live in an all-you-can-"eat" sexual society with so many options at our fingertips (and other tips).

[capitalman 3861]

My last visit to a strip club was specifically to visit an SP who invited me to watch her dance!

 

I took her to the back and got carried away, she kept telling me off! I was frustrated as I had done much more to her many times, but not there....more like at her place or mine! hahaha....

 

I guess she was worried she would get in trouble and get fired or whatever.

[spud271 47779]

I haven't been to a strip club in years. Just always found they are way overpriced and the women are always too pushy and fake. I do agree with the earlier comment, that I would rather take that money and spend the time with an SP. Not a big fan of getting horny then having to go home and masturbate, when for the same or less money I can spend the time with an amazing lady I can really talk to and walk away feeling like a million bucks!

[Guest blo*****s]

Last year I was in the Barefax and went upstairs with a dancer that was from out of town, and really resembled Nelly Furtado.

When we got up there, after 2 songs, she gave me a menu of options.

(This had never happened to me before in a club).

I actually felt uncomfortable, because there is next to NO privacy up there - and actually, anyone coming up the stairs could see us, plus so could the DJ, I think.

In any event, I reluctantly declined - as I did not want to get caught, kicked out, (or worse).

I have never been propositioned again - so I was wondering if this was now the norm - or if she was just an anomaly - or if she was only doing it because she was from out of town.

I've been to Barb's many times since - no menus were ever offered.

 

What percentage of these girls actually go that extra mile, and for the ones that do, do they feel they have to hide it from their fellow dancers - (for fear of being squealed on) ?

[Kubrickfan 12836]

I drop in to visit at Barbs when I am in town. I have never heard of a "menu" other than a food menu (smile) at Barbs, and there has been some trouble in past months with a couple dancers propositioning undercover cops, so I would not count on anything that formal.

 

On the other hand, "quality time" in terms of the traditional strip club extras (nothing super hardcore) can be readily obtained simply by being nice to the ladies and, of course, providing them a steady flow of cash. As I have said before in other threads, spending a couple hours just hanging out with a few beers and dances at Barbs beats watching reruns in the hotel room.

[waterrat 1261]

I remember seeing a sign at an SC saying that track pants and other loose fitting pants were not permitted! Compare that to clubs in Germany where men are asked to wear white terry cloth robes (and nothing else)! Let's get real and reform our puritanical laws - we are no longer a colony of a sexually repressed kingdom ruled by a Queen who wasn't getting any (officially). :idea:

[Guest gagagaga]

I don't think Harper is a Queen...his kids look like him

 

 

haha

[slurp 7020]

I remember seeing a sign at an SC saying that track pants and other loose fitting pants were not permitted! Compare that to clubs in Germany where men are asked to wear white terry cloth robes (and nothing else)! Let's get real and reform our puritanical laws - we are no longer a colony of a sexually repressed kingdom ruled by a Queen who wasn't getting any (officially). :idea:

 

YIKES ........ That sux, I used to purposely wear loose fitting shorts in the summer to allow SC girls easy access to slurp jr. Got me lots of wanted attention .... it also paid to have condoms and moist towelettes handy too LOL

[castle 38816]

YIKES ........ That sux, I used to purposely wear loose fitting shorts in the summer to allow SC girls easy access to slurp jr. Got me lots of wanted attention .... it also paid to have condoms and moist towelettes handy too LOL

 

 

I don't know where this sign is, but if it's at any club around here I doubt they inforce it. I constantly where loose fitting pants in the winter and shorts in the summer for the same reasons listed above and have never been hassled. But I'm mainly a daytime person, maybe it's different at night when someone is actually working the door.

[slurp 7020]

good point castle, I did that daytime too.

[YoungStud 468]

I don't think Harper is a Queen...his kids look like him - haha

 

Which is more than you can say for John Baird. Lol.