a******s.m*****e 187 Report post Posted June 6, 2009 I have seen people write specific address, names, prices, services on this board hundreds of times. I was in no way trying to draw attention to any one place or trying to get this place in trouble. I was only talking about the good service I received and seeing if anybody else had any suggestions or advice. I thought this is an Escort Review Board were we can talk freely about our experiences and seek advise and reviews. None of us wanna get caught by the police in one of these places, it would ruin our families and could ruin our careers. Then why don't you ask the Mod to change the title of the thread? I would feel terrible if my address would be disclosed here, I don't care how good the review is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Annessa 22743 Report post Posted June 6, 2009 Then why don't you ask the Mod to change the title of the thread? I would feel terrible if my address would be disclosed here, I don't care how good the review is. agreed. looking at the initial title of the thread (ie. the exact address) and the content of the subject...it still doesn't make sense to me other that to keep the thread going as a flagging of the busted girls involved) I still don't even see the purpose of the initial posting....perhaps you are new to "this" and that ok....we all start somewhere, but if you have enough people saying your thread posting and title are very opposite to beneficial..... just PM the mod and I'm sure someone will take on the duty of putting this thread in a certain flagging-type section why this hasn't happened is beyond me. it doesn't matter what was said on their ads, it doesn't matter what was said by the initial poster in terms of services or details...and the girls aren't the only ones who should be careful or need to worry.....guys, do us ladies all a favour and just use your common sense. Common Knowledge doesn't mean anything...just realize that you're the one speaking about such common knowldge and someone could as easily quote and seak out you as they could us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
a******s.m*****e 187 Report post Posted June 6, 2009 Agreed Annessa, Guys, just imagine a post here about your adventures, including your name and address! Most responsible boards have stopped allowing explicit reviews of massage parlours or are making those sections available for members only. Massage parlours are licensed to give massages, and those girls are basically doing you a favour and risking a lot when giving you other services. Please, return the favour by being discreet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
o*****j***e 136 Report post Posted June 6, 2009 I went to 82 Holland the other day and had great time with a tiny Asian named Nicole, was not cheap but worth my time. Any other suggestions for Asian Massage????? Bullmoose, You yourself could remove the address from your post. Just edit and remove. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capital Hunter 18263 Report post Posted June 6, 2009 I have seen people write specific address, names, prices, services on this board hundreds of times. I was in no way trying to draw attention to any one place or trying to get this place in trouble. I was only talking about the good service I received and seeing if anybody else had any suggestions or advice. I thought this is an Escort Review Board were we can talk freely about our experiences and seek advise and reviews. None of us wanna get caught by the police in one of these places, it would ruin our families and could ruin our careers. I have read your first post several times and although I agree that it would be best to leave out specific addresses, however, all you did in your post was that you ask for an asian massage and you had a great time (as most of us will have after a good massage). I can't see anything in your post for LE to become interested in. In my view, your post is blown out of proportion (especially in this case I believe the address for the place was all but public). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
a******s.m*****e 187 Report post Posted June 6, 2009 I have read your first post several times and although I agree that it would be best to leave out specific addresses, however, all you said in your post was that you ask for an asian massage and had a great time (as most of us will have after a good massage). I can't see anything in your post for LE to become interested in. In my view, your post is blown out of proportion (especially in this case the address for the place was all public). Do you really think LE doesn't know what "great time" means on an escort board? Gotta be kidding :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capital Hunter 18263 Report post Posted June 6, 2009 Do you really think LE doesn't know what "great time" means on an escort board? Gotta be kidding :) I am not a lawyer and may be you are right. But what one believes and one can prove is a different matter. I believe there is something called proving something beyond reasonable doubt in the legal system. Sometimes I really have a good time with my friend nude dancers that I invite home and we kiss and dance. That's all. Nothing that LE would be interested and I have reviewed some on escort review board in the strip bars section (the strip bars section also contains the names of the specific bars which everybody knows the exact address, where people reported having good time with dancers similar to MPs). They made a mistake by publicly announcing their address as a massage and escort at the same time. Beside being in residential area, guys lining up outside (the street is on my driving path once a month) has a lot more to do with it (and neighbors complaining) than a post saying that he had a good time (my 2 cents). Places like this frequently change address as a prolong exposure will attract attention from neighbors and LE. But they didn't and stayed the same place for a long time. I don't wish to get into a debate over this issue (as I personally, never opt for massages or incall escorts for legal reasons. So the debate will not affect me. Nor am I an expert in the law of the land) and this is my last comment, just expressing my view. As I said it is best to keep specific addresses out of the review but this place was made public already by their own ads (as massage and escort). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickoshadows 937 Report post Posted June 6, 2009 I think there is a point about not publishing the exact address of a private location maintained by an independent or even a agency for the purpose of a rendezvous. But if an establishment is already publicly posting their location somewhere, posting here is not making a difference. LE know where more of these places are than we know. Ask any provider here, I'm sure most of them have police officers among their clients. Raids are normally triggered by complaints from neighbors or if organized crime, (read gangs) are suspected to be involved. If RCMP are involved, it is definitely the latter. RCMP have rarely been involved in run of the mill prostitution stings since a few of there cases have been struck down by higher courts. I doubt that even the soliciting and bawdy house provisions would still be on the books if it wasn't for provincial and municipal governments. Just look how differently this industry is treated in different cities/provinces. There are purpose built massage parlors all over Montreal and Toronto which operate openly. Victoria has at least three locations which are brothels by any definition which have operated for the last 10 years with no interference from the province or the city. Perhaps if all the SPs who entertain politicians from the varying levels of goverment were to unless these guys start making some changes, they will collectively out them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
a******s.m*****e 187 Report post Posted June 6, 2009 OK, I am not familiar with the circumstances in Ontario. Maybe I shouldn't get involved in this at all, but it freaked me to find service providers' street address on an escort review board. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canuckhooker 19203 Report post Posted June 7, 2009 OK.... I was gonna shut up.. but I will say it once again. This establishment published in the paper with no name.. only the Street address. Everyone in Ottawa who read the Sun knew the place as 82 Holland, for several weeks, if not months. The spa had no advertised name. What else would we call it? The spa owners called it 82 Holland. Should we call it the spa on a Hintonburg street, north of Wellington, West of Parkdale, East of Island Park??? As I said in a previous post, I am very conscious of discretion and not revealing names, addresses, too much information. In this case it does not apply. Move on people.. nothing to see here anymore. Geez... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buggernot 588 Report post Posted June 7, 2009 You can avoid posting information as much as you want but LE is not stupid. Is posting the address as a thread title a good idea? Probably not the best way to go about things, but if you say in a public forum that you got something in a certain place that was considered illegal in the eyes of the law (bawdy house behaviour), then only gave out an email or phone# by PM, if we can figure out who/what/where, I'm sure the cops can too. Whoever was running the establishment was not discreet so needless to say, the information was going to get out eventually. Now it did seem a bit ironic that someone posts here about having a great time and the place got raided less than 24hrs later. However, LE does need to put some time into investigating these things (several months according to the article). If you put your shit out there and what you're doing is against the law, it's only a matter of time everybody knows about it and discretion/anonymity goes out the window. How long do you think a pharmacist would last if he was giving out oxycontin for blowjobs and told a few addicts to tell their friends of his offer? We do need to be discreet here, but in the long run it doesn't matter. Now if this was someone saying, yeah I met this great SP and she lives on 123 Main St...that's a lot different... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Annessa 22743 Report post Posted June 7, 2009 Now it did seem a bit ironic that someone posts here about having a great time and the place got raided less than 24hrs later. However, LE does need to put some time into investigating these things (several months according to the article). I agree with the irony...and agree with the months that it takes for LE to look into things....which is why I looked into when the original poster joined the site and what his post history has been....I'm not entirely sure what bullmoose's motive is on this site after reading his several posts but heres the run-down: (ps.I could be completely off in my raised eyebrow here but stating in another post that he received the most wonderful "happy ending" and then asking for more locations or location/more info on a VIP escort party reeks of raid-material and really irks me....) 82 holland I went to 82 Holland the other day and had great time with a tiny Asian named Nicole, was not cheap but worth my time. Any other suggestions for Asian Massage????? Forum: Massage Discussion for Ottawa04-08-2009, 02:18 PM Best Massage Posted By bullmoose Massage I was looking the best happy ending massage in the downtown area, I work near Bank St so if anybody can help me out. I have seen lots on Bank St but have not gone in yet? Any Suggestion Forum: Massage Discussion for Ottawa 04-04-2009, 06:42 AM Best Massage Views: 3,002 Posted By bullmoose Best Massage I am looking for help, I am looking for the best massage in Ottawa. I work downtown so that would be the best location, any suggestions Forum: Massage Discussion for Ottawa 03-06-2009, 11:14 AM Best Downtown massage parlor Views: 2,210 Posted By bullmoose I went to Booth the other day and had a great... I went to Booth the other day and had a great time, will be back for sure:-P Forum: Courtesan / Escort Discussion for Ottawa 06-13-2008, 04:56 PM VIP Party next friday Views: 2,945 Posted By bullmoose send me the info send me the info ............-- he just seems to be asking for more info or more locations from other members and it really makes me raise an eyebrow. anyone else feel slightly unsettled by this? there are more than enough listings of massage recommendations on this site for Ottawa on the boards. and this member has been on here for aprox a year so shouldn't he be reading/searching where to look instead of making up new threads that seem to ask for info from CERB users instead of searching for the proper threads as a potential client? ...why the constant "any suggestions? any suggestions?" ? I have a very odd gut-feeling here. the posts start off with outing a street location (which is vague.."booth") to graduating to searching for the best downtown massage....then 4 days later to searching for the best "happy ending" massage parlor to flat out outing the address a couple weeks later (despite common knowledge) of 82 holland and asking for more locations? ..ironically 82 holand was shut down 24 hours after this post. am I to suspect that PMs to this member only aided in an affirmation to the bust? is your spidey-sense tingling? ...mine is on a side note, imagine someone being on the boards with you members...reading your posts and then saying "hey, you seem like a cool guy and we seem to like the same things....lets go for a beer"...you meet them and then they slap a pair of cuffs on you for aiding them in their research of where to get the best "happy ending" for a price. its not only the gals reputation thats at stake here. as for the thread staying up, now its more or less I believe to flag the establishment as being raided so others don't make the same mistake by following the ad. I think a lot of ladies and gents are still cringing despite the lack of discretion in the massage parlour's ads...however the title of the thread on here kinda goes back to the highschool way of thinking with gossip: just because its common knowledge doesn't mean everyone should still repeat the info on a very obvious board. two wrongs dont make a right....and those who divulge need to watch their step no matter what they say when they post on an ESCORT board. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slurp 7020 Report post Posted June 7, 2009 OK.... I was gonna shut up.. but I will say it once again. This establishment published in the paper with no name.. only the Street address. Everyone in Ottawa who read the Sun knew the place as 82 Holland, for several weeks, if not months. The spa had no advertised name. What else would we call it? The spa owners called it 82 Holland. Should we call it the spa on a Hintonburg street, north of Wellington, West of Parkdale, East of Island Park??? As I said in a previous post, I am very conscious of discretion and not revealing names, addresses, too much information. In this case it does not apply. Move on people.. nothing to see here anymore. Geez... I too had decided to butt out of this thread as it has gotten out of hand IMO. Being a technical person I wanted to mention that they did indeed have a name which was listed recently in their ads in the Sun, Queen Spa. They had alternated between using the addy and the name at times. Sometimes they listed both but 82 was the first and best known identifier. My earlier post regarding posting discretion was directed more to the comments than the OP. I did not at the time nor do I now see a problem with the addy in the post or title as this was how they identified themselves for a long time. We see posts with 'Girl at CMJ" all the time. Reviews are common for places such as 254 Bank, 256 Bank, etc. They are identified by addy, not name. This place was known first and best as 82 Holland. They later used Queen Spa but by then everyone called it by the addy. Proof of this is the fact no one here seemed to know they actually had a name. This was an MP, not an escort location, when it opened and for most of it's life. I had heard rumblings that the neighbors were watching this place and calling LE about them, even before they ran the escort ads. I would most likely not have gone back if I had believed the rumblings, in hindsight I should have heeded the warning and am lucky. From what I've seen and heard, neighbor complaints are the single biggest way to get busted here. LE seems to be willing to live and let live until they start getting complaints. While there have been some valid points made and lots of good discussion I think this thread is beginning to exceed it's useful purpose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Annessa 22743 Report post Posted June 8, 2009 I have to apologize for the anger or suspicions I've expressed in this thread over the past couple days. i still stand by the points I'm making but I do feel I have been a bit too strong in implying them. I have been under a lot of stress setting up my new location this week and covering all my bases that reading about someone publicly outing a street address on these boards (yes yes even though it was advertised outside of the boards as such) kinda hit home for me. moving on appropriately now.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bullmoose 100 Report post Posted June 9, 2009 I am very taken back by Annessa2009 comments, I am insulted by what you are trying to say about me. I only wanted others to know that I had a good time and now I am being accused of all kind of things. I am done with this post, this is silly and are trying to get to personal with your posts Im out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
v*****m*n 220 Report post Posted June 9, 2009 She has the right to express her opinion and if other want to they can as well, if you want, you can close the thread. This board is a usefull tool and this thread is also usefull. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capital Hunter 18263 Report post Posted June 9, 2009 I am very taken back by Annessa2009 comments, I am insulted by what you are trying to say about me. I only wanted others to know that I had a good time and now I am being accused of all kind of things. I am done with this post, this is silly and are trying to get to personal with your posts Im out Athough I can understand how you feel, however, I hope that you remain as a member of this great board and encourage you to commence contributions by giving reviews on service providers that you will meet in future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
