Guest F***tyF**rari Report post Posted January 12, 2013 I have recently seen an advertisement for an SP that a friend knows and we are fairly confident she is underage. We don't have proof and I am afraid we might be wrong so I don't want to be considered a trouble maker or like i am trying to stop competition. But I wanted to know what the best way would be to go about dealing with this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boomer 33202 Report post Posted January 12, 2013 Boy that's a tough one. I guess it might influence your decision if you knew that she decided to do this of her own free will (and that's debatable if she's a minor). If she's being pimped or influenced by an adult then I don't think you have a choice but should indeed report it to the authorities. No one has a right to abuse children in this way. If you don't have enough confidence to let the police know then an anonymous call to one of the social agencies who are responsibility for youth welfare, who are charged with investigating and following through with child welfare issues. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest F***tyF**rari Report post Posted January 12, 2013 From what I know of the person I find it very likely that she is doing it on her own, or at lease of her free will. I am not concerned about her safety as much as I am concerned for the hobbyist ending up in a situation with a minor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xxxAxxx 21016 Report post Posted January 12, 2013 you should be more concerned about her if she is underage...as far as hobbyists seeing her, they are adults who are usually of sound mind to make their own decisions and deal with the results. Though one should definitely be concerned for both, I think you have your priorities backwards. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roamingguy 300292 Report post Posted January 12, 2013 Either go to the police or social service agencies, show them the advertisement and tell them of your concerns about her being underage. And don't be concerned about the "men", in my opinion, any man who would have sex with a underage girl deserves what he gets. My two cents RG 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclo 30131 Report post Posted January 12, 2013 (edited) If anyone suspects child sexual abuse, they have a legal, and ethical, responsibility to report it. The appropriate authorities will get to the bottom of whether the facts confirm child sexual abuse. It doesn't matter whether she's doing it voluntarily or is coerced. It's still child sexual abuse in the eyes of the law. I'll explain why below. Too much of the history of child sexual abuse involves people who have had suspicions but did not report them for various reasons ("I'm not really sure... I don't want to make a wrongful accusation... I should mind my own business..." etc). You'll never be certain because you can't investigate the facts from afar. Contact the authorities who can. All reports can be made anonymously. The criminal code identifies various "age of consent" for sexual activity. It's lower where both parties are consenting youth ("young lovers"). Underage prostitution falls into the category of of "exploitive sexual activity" and the age of consent is 18. Since there is likely to be a pimp involved with someone who is under this age, it's fairly obvious why it is called "exploitive sexual activity". As for who to call, call the Police. The NS Child and Family Services Act only applies to children under 16. This leaves a gap for 16-18 year olds under the Provincial Act and the potential for an investigation to get lost in the bureaucracy. If she's under 18, the Criminal Code will still apply. The Halifax Police have repeatedly shown their willingness to take action on underage prostitution and the Crown lays charges against the pimp, not the victim. Edited January 12, 2013 by cyclo Typo 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
backrubman 64800 Report post Posted January 12, 2013 ...And don't be concerned about the "men", in my opinion, any man who would have sex with a underage girl deserves what he gets. My two cents RG Can we change that to "any man who would knowingly have sex with a underage girl deserves what he gets"? Some ladies don't look as young as they really are or lie about their age when asked. Of course this is not a risk for me as I have no interest in someone young enough that age would be "questionable" at all. Common scam in the third world, were the police are always able to come busting in (prearranged) and hustle the client out of a couple of hundred dollars to avoid prosecution because he wasn't smart enough to check her cedula de identidad, of course in Canada a lady is likely to take offense or refuse if you asked to see her ID. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gabriella Laurence 301887 Report post Posted January 12, 2013 ... of course in Canada a lady is likely to take offense or refuse if you asked to see her ID. Well worth the risk for all gentlemen if they have doubts about her age as opposed to taking a chance and engaging in sexual activities with an underage young lady. 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest F***tyF**rari Report post Posted January 12, 2013 I just know what I was like a 17 and I took my safety in to my own hands. It is not that I am concerned she is a victim because I am not. And she is advertising on this site as legal age, I have searched other places and did not find her. Which is my reason for posting here, not looking to get her arrested or a criminal record. I just don't want anyone ending up in a situation un-knowingly. I did not mean to sound uncaring about her safety, I care about hers as much as any other SP on here. It was just not the purpose of my post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclo 30131 Report post Posted January 12, 2013 of course in Canada a lady is likely to take offense or refuse if you asked to see her ID. If she takes offence or refuses, walk out the door... Fast! Additional Comments: I just know what I was like a 17 and I took my safety in to my own hands. It is not that I am concerned she is a victim because I am not. And she is advertising on this site as legal age, I have searched other places and did not find her. Which is my reason for posting here, not looking to get her arrested or a criminal record. I just don't want anyone ending up in a situation un-knowingly. I did not mean to sound uncaring about her safety, I care about hers as much as any other SP on here. It was just not the purpose of my post. It doesn't matter what your purpose was in posting. You have a responsibility now and you know it. The legal age to be a prostitute is 18. Look, I understand that when we were young we all made various poor choices. Choosing to be involved in prostitution is a choice that should be made with some maturity. Regardless of what age we believe someone really becomes mature, I think someone less than 18 is too immature to make this choice. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fortunateone 156618 Report post Posted January 12, 2013 Either go to the police or social service agencies, show them the advertisement and tell them of your concerns about her being underage.And don't be concerned about the "men", in my opinion, any man who would have sex with a underage girl deserves what he gets. My two cents RG I totally agree. It doesn't matter if you are not 100% sure she is underage, but if you are 100% sure, then you contact the correct department of LE or find the number to whoever is more easy to deal with and report the ad. If you want to remain more anonymous, then you find out what email address to use and send the ad links to that address. If you don't know for sure if the links will stay active, as in the poster may delete and repost often, then make sure you copy the ad content when sending the email. There is no grey area. If you know this is an underage worker, you report her immediately. I have zero concern for the clients in this instance, they should be reporting her as well if they go to see her and don't ask for ID for proof of age if they even have a hint of a doubt. Chances are many clients go to see someone advertising as 18 and looking younger because they want her to be underage. Additional Comments: Can we change that to "any man who would knowingly have sex with a underage girl deserves what he gets"? Some ladies don't look as young as they really are or lie about their age when asked. Of course this is not a risk for me as I have no interest in someone young enough that age would be "questionable" at all. Common scam in the third world, were the police are always able to come busting in (prearranged) and hustle the client out of a couple of hundred dollars to avoid prosecution because he wasn't smart enough to check her cedula de identidad, of course in Canada a lady is likely to take offense or refuse if you asked to see her ID. If the sp advertises as 18, and looks younger or older than that, it is his responsibility to check her ID and verify her age. It doesn't matter if he does it knowingly or unknowingly, the law is the law and doesn't care if he knew her age or not. It was his responsibility to find out., not hers to volunteer it. We already know the underagers are lying about their age, it is up to him to verify it before proceeding. Additional Comments: I just know what I was like a 17 and I took my safety in to my own hands. It is not that I am concerned she is a victim because I am not. And she is advertising on this site as legal age, I have searched other places and did not find her. Which is my reason for posting here, not looking to get her arrested or a criminal record. I just don't want anyone ending up in a situation un-knowingly. I did not mean to sound uncaring about her safety, I care about hers as much as any other SP on here. It was just not the purpose of my post. If you won't do it, then give the information to someone who will. It is turning a blind eye and not wanting to get involved that is a problem, imo, not whether she is willing or unwillingly working. She is underage. Enough said. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest F***tyF**rari Report post Posted January 12, 2013 Thank you all for the advice, I am still really new to this so didn't know the proper way to proceed. I am having LE contacted on this tonight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mikeyboy 27133 Report post Posted January 12, 2013 It's good of you to be concerned and to get involved where so many would not. You are doing the right thing here. It's a decision you should feel good about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mod 135640 Report post Posted January 12, 2013 If anyone thinks an advertiser on cerb is underage i will suspend the ladies account and ask her to send a photo of her id and a verification photo as well to ensure he id is hers. Feel free to pm me with the name as well. 8 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zorobaby 4121 Report post Posted January 13, 2013 There is no grey area. If you know this is an underage worker, you report her immediately. I have zero concern for the clients in this instance, they should be reporting her as well if they go to see her and don't ask for ID for proof of age if they even have a hint of a doubt. Chances are many clients go to see someone advertising as 18 and looking younger because they want her to be underage. i kind of take offense to this... i have personally looked for 18-19 year old sps because sometimes i find them to be different, and since they are somewhat closer to my age range i can relate a little better, i am absolutely not looking for someone underage, but your generalization makes it seem so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Serena Blake 14066 Report post Posted January 13, 2013 Unfortunatly under aged girls will post for themselves and lie about their age to do so like some older ladies will lie and say they are younger. I've had a long time customer tell me a story the other day that he had been contacting a girl inquiring about availability and rates. a few days later her starts getting messages calling him a pervert. these were apparently from the 16year old girl's mother. YIKES that's awkward I'm sure 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Goombata72 1556 Report post Posted January 13, 2013 IMHO if you felt she was underage you should turn around and leave right away and be calling the police. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Serena Blake 14066 Report post Posted January 13, 2013 IMHOif you felt she was underage you should turn around and leave right away and be calling the police. I don't think he actually saw her. her knows her and saw her add. I'm sure he wouldn't knowingly continue with an under aged girl.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zorobaby 4121 Report post Posted January 13, 2013 I don't think he actually saw her. her knows her and saw her add. I'm sure he wouldn't knowingly continue with an under aged girl.. i hope your not talking about me lol, the OP is a sp herself... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
backrubman 64800 Report post Posted January 13, 2013 Common scam in the third world, were the police are always able to come busting in (prearranged) and hustle the client out of a couple of hundred dollars to avoid prosecution because he wasn't smart enough to check her cedula de identidad, of course in Canada a lady is likely to take offense or refuse if you asked to see her ID. If the sp advertises as 18, and looks younger or older than that, it is his responsibility to check her ID and verify her age. It doesn't matter if he does it knowingly or unknowingly, the law is the law and doesn't care if he knew her age or not. It was his responsibility to find out., not hers to volunteer it. We already know the underagers are lying about their age, it is up to him to verify it before proceeding. Well I once saw one of these hustles go down at a distance but got a clear look at the chica and I would have guessed early 20s. I suppose the same makeup tricks could be used in Canada. Although such a lady wouldn't be of interest to me I can see how a client could unknowingly get sucked into this vortex (particularly if it is a setup with a girl that is trying to look older than she is). I once had a platonic chica companion that looked 18ish (platonic for many reasons, age being only just one of them) but the resort staff did (standard practice) check and hold on to her cedula. She made an excellent Spanish teacher :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nicolette Vaughn 294340 Report post Posted January 13, 2013 The best thing to do is contact the police and take it from there. Although you say she is working on her own terms and if in fact she is underage, she really wouldn't be at the maturity level to make a wise decision as to working in this business. And for those who see younger escorts and are unsure of their age, don't hesitate to ask for identification to avoid any type of prosecution. When I was younger and in this business in my 20's, many men were leery and asked for i.d. because they really couldn't pinpoint how old I actually was. I showed it to them without revealing my real name and other info except for date of birth and the year I was born. As an SP, I wasn't offended as all since there are many underage girls out there in this business who are working without being coerced into it and sadly there are those who are . You did the right thing. 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roamingguy 300292 Report post Posted January 13, 2013 To those guys who see younger adult SP's, especially those that advertise they are 18-19, irrespective of whether you are a young guy yourself or older check the ladies ID. If she is unwilling to produce an ID, do not see her. You do not want to have an encounter with an underage girl and get caught. You'll find the police (and courts) will not be understanding if you get caught. A simple ID check will ensure two adults are having a consensual encounter A morning rambling RG 4 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The General 11309 Report post Posted January 13, 2013 Whew, if they advertise they are 20 you are okay then.. And pretty easy to get good fake id too. I think you have to be careful to make statements that are absolute, since nothing in life is that simple. To those guys who see younger adult SP's, especially those that advertise they are 18-19, irrespective of whether you are a young guy yourself or older check the ladies ID. If she is unwilling to produce an ID, do not see her. You do not want to have an encounter with an underage girl and get caught. You'll find the police (and courts) will not be understanding if you get caught. A simple ID check will ensure two adults are having a consensual encounterA morning rambling RG 6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lexy Grace 103697 Report post Posted January 13, 2013 You/we must do our part and request ID and always go with your gut even if ID is provided, if you feel something is fishy immediately leave or ask the lady to. I myself have had to ID a number of hobbyists and I am requested for ID myself at times. There are many lovely legal established Cerb ladies to always contact. Hobbying should be enjoyable and fun without worrying if a lady is 18+. No one wants to be caught in that situation. Hobbyist must protect themselves as well as providers. Like Mod said, if you suspect a lady to be underage send a PM and I'm sure that goes for providers as well if you come across an underage hobbyist. Big hugs and stay safe, Lexy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CristyCurves 169032 Report post Posted January 13, 2013 I have recently seen an advertisement for an SP that a friend knows and we are fairly confident she is underage. We don't have proof and I am afraid we might be wrong Since neither of you are sure why not approach the girl first. You did say your friend knew her. Contacting the police could cause irrevocable damage to her if you are wrong. Yes, she is putting others at risk if she is underage but that is a very big if. I think contacting mod is appropriate and expected. But in cases like this I think you need to be 110 % before contacting the le. JMO. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites