Are SP's prepared for Swine Flu Epidemic?

[Malika Fantasy 144625]

:sad: It look like the horse I ride often. Poor little one

[r100rs 859]

Donald Rumsfeld and Tamiflu connection - started with Avian flu scare now with H1N1 - tamiflu sales definitely up

 

gotta love conspiracy theorists with some facts

http://www.swine-flu-h1n1.com/tamiflu-rumsfeld.html

 

 

i'm last on the list to get vaccinated ( 3rd wave ) so will decide when the time comes - I'm probaly NOT going to get vaccine as I have lived through lots of wild stuff like dengue fever(luckily never got a 2nd bout which is usually fatal), malaria, ameobas, red tide, scorpian stings, stingrays stings(wouldn't wish this one on anyone)

[sexnonstop724 1727]

If you have taken flu shots before, then treat it as a practice you followed. Go take the H1N1 shot.

 

For SPs and hobbists, if there is a vacine for STD, would you take it?

 

Since we interact with many people directly and indirectly, we bear some responsibility to reduce the risk of passing any potential harm to our friends.

 

I would feel more comfortable if the next SP I visit tells me she has taken the flu shot. And I would feel better knowing I won't be the one to pass it on to an SP. I get paid on my sick days, SPs don't get compensated.

 

Just a thought

 

Nonstop

[ottanon 2930]

i dont think you can hide your head in the sand on this one. Look at the recent un-expected deaths in Ontario. I fear more to come.

[etasman2000 15994]

I would feel more comfortable if the next SP I visit tells me she has taken the flu shot. And I would feel better knowing I won't be the one to pass it on to an SP. I get paid on my sick days, SPs don't get compensated.

 

Unless you pass on the strain not included in the shot and which is likely due to the strain mutating. There is a reason a flu shot is necessary each year.

 

Any vaccine is not a magic pill. The protection from vaccine do expire requiring booster shots (which most individuals don't take).

 

I am not advocating ya or nay to this particular vaccine...only wishing to clarify a misconception on vaccines in general.

 

IANAD (I am not a doctor)

[Jackie James 215]

for the record, the is no current health crisis:

 

over 500,000 people per year die of the flu ( the regular old flu that everyone gets every year.) Comparatively, very few people have died from swine flu, and those who have were very weak, or very immunosuppressed.

 

The swine flu is not a threat to humans. It is a "technical" pandemic simply because of definition, but if you are of normal health, don't stress.

 

 

Thank you!!!

[Jackie James 215]

[kih 458]

Pandemic....Perhaps

 

Something sure has hit the Edmonton Oilers organization.

 

http://www.calgaryherald.com/health/grounds+some+Oilers+stars/2142522/story.html

 

 

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=296295

[Sentimental 281]

PKJASON: A very reasoned and intelligent reply. Your points are excellent !!

[JoyfulC 132299]

It's not true that those who have died of H1N1 "were very weak, or very immunosuppressed." The lad who died earlier this week was a healthy 13-year-old hockey player.

 

I'm still not getting a flu shot, but I did find an excellent article in the Globe & Mail that describes symptoms, window of contagion, and how to tell if things are getting serious:

 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/health/h1n1-swine-flu/a-closer-look-at-how-the-virus-works/article1341054/

[Kathryn Bardot 99339]

Sigh. Do they have a "Selective Reading" portion for the Darwin Awards?

[ETA: Not aimed at JoyfulC.]

[Pink Kitty Escorts 6195]

Here's the situation from the mouth of a doctor I spoke with yesterday.

 

BTW Jessica has H1N1, and I had it last week.. Basically if you have a cough and a fever you are a diagnosed as having it. There is no testing its screening. Its THE flu this season.

 

Here;s the thing.. You treat it like a flu, there are no special meds.. Thats it..

 

If you go to the emerg.. You will sit for hours, with other sick ppl. And if you dont have it, you will for sure then. Take time off, rent some good movies, take lots of Advil cold and flu (great stuff BTW)(best stuff on the market IMHO)

 

They also are saying if you were born before 1951 you have a good chance that you are immune to the virus as you have been exposed to similar viruses. (no guarantee, but likely)

[JoyfulC 132299]

So now they're saying that we're looking at a shortage of vaccine in the days to come. I'm not somebody who believes the vaccine is unsafe -- nor am I somebody who believes it doesn't work. I just believe that it is unnecessary for me -- or at the very least, that I'm not a priority recipient.

 

I rarely get sick. I tend to be fairly reclusive -- sure, I see clients, but I rarely go out shopping or out in public. When I do get sick, usually I don't get very sick and while anything is possible, it's not unreasonable to think I won't get very sick if I were to get H1N1 either. I am almost never in contact with little kids. And I have the kind of job and home situation that, if I do get sick, I can take the time to stay home and recover. It's not like my boss will fire me. I'll have support and I won't need to spread anything to anyone else. I know my lifestyle.

 

Sometimes a person's reason for not getting vaccinated is more pragmatic than anything. Flu vaccines seem like they fall in short supply every single year. I've never gotten one, and I'm probably in the lowest risk group possible (save perhaps hermits and those guys who man forest fire watch towers). Why take up a vaccine that someone more needy could use?

 

Could the worst still happen? Sure. I read that someone's house got hit by a meteorite recently. Vaccine or no vaccine, anything's possible. But we need to be responsible and level-headed in our assessment of risk too. I believe that many here face a much higher risk of contracting H1N1 than I do, and so getting vaccinated is a good idea for them. But I don't think I'm at a level of risk that I need to run right out and get my cut off the top.

[sexnonstop724 1727]

I just believe rather than sitting and waiting to see if it hits me, I would rather do something about it. Hate to say I wish I had later. Sitting on the fence really doesn't accomplish anything. There is no right or wrong. But do it or not do it. We each have to make that choice.

 

And since we are dealing with a very intimate service, even more so than any health care or public service. A great chance to share our opinion.

 

Reading thru some of the threads, a lot of SPs and hobbiests check for STDs on a regular basis. If they go thru the trouble to protect themselves that way. Why not take the flu shot? Is it that much of a difference? Just trying to protect ourselves and people around us that we share our time with. And for members with young kids at home, is that another reason to consider?

 

 

 

Unless you pass on the strain not included in the shot and which is likely due to the strain mutating. There is a reason a flu shot is necessary each year.

 

Any vaccine is not a magic pill. The protection from vaccine do expire requiring booster shots (which most individuals don't take).

 

I am not advocating ya or nay to this particular vaccine...only wishing to clarify a misconception on vaccines in general.

 

IANAD (I am not a doctor)

[sexnonstop724 1727]

You are correct!! It is not the super deadly strain. But it is because of the high tranmission rate, even if 1 in 100,000 dead from this flu. If the transmission rate is high the death toll is going to be high too across the world. By lowering the transmission, thus help lower the death toll. And this is a new strain beyond the regular seasonal flu.

 

I wasn't aware that the 13 year old hockey player in Toronto has any other health issues to have weakened his immune system.

 

Anyone care to clarify if that boy was suffering from other health issue to have weakened his immune system enough to contribute to his DEATH? And if he spread the flu to all his team mates in the locker room. How many more of these 13 year old has to die before it became serious enough??

 

for the record, the is no current health crisis:

 

over 500,000 people per year die of the flu ( the regular old flu that everyone gets every year.) Comparatively, very few people have died from swine flu, and those who have were very weak, or very immunosuppressed.

 

The swine flu is not a threat to humans. It is a "technical" pandemic simply because of definition, but if you are of normal health, don't stress.

[Kathryn Bardot 99339]

Basically if you have a cough and a fever you are a diagnosed as having it.

 

Um, no. H1N1 is screened via:

1. Fever over 38C or higher OR feeling feverish/chills within the last 24 hours.

2. Cough or shortness of breath.

and 3. One of the following: Sore throat, body aches [muscles/joints], extreme fatigue.

Rarely, diarrhea or vomiting can accompany symptoms.

 

The public is being asked to go to the ER if they experience difficulty breathing, continuous or severe diarrhea or vomiting with symptoms of dehydration, blue lips and/or cold extremities, seizures, convulsions, or disorientation.

[JoyfulC 132299]

Well, here we go again. I'm probably older than many on this board, and I've been watching this flu vaccine thing roll out for years. It's almost always more likely that we'll have a shortage than a surplus.

 

Minister Aglukkaq's comment last week that "Canadians who don't get vaccinated against swine flu are needlessly putting themselves and others at risk"? If that was true then, who's putting them at risk now?

 

I am disappointed and disgusted with the government's handling of this matter -- as I am their handling of so many other matters lately. It seems that Minister Aglukkaq, in her zeal to encourage people to get immunized, saw nothing wrong with stigmatizing those of us who make the choice not to get vaccinated as lepers, a danger to all we encounter. It seems to have blown up in her face since, with the shortage, the majority of people are now in that category, although not by choice. What will people who feel that unvaccinated people are a threat do now that they know that so many people can't get vaccinated, and perhaps not they themselves? Will they shop more? Will they go out to eat? Will they take in a movie? Will they see an escort or get a massage? Um... yeah. Hyperbolic scaremongering works really well for our economic situation too, eh?

 

The same thing happened with the handling of the economy. I don't think the government could have held off the recession and job losses, but I do think they could have lessened the impact if they'd shot straight with us right from the start. Prime Minister Harper was insisting that we weren't in a recession long after it was obvious to any intelligent person that we were. And almost immediately, his government and the Bank of Canada began telling us that we were in recovery. (I swear, if I see one more photo of Mark Carney's face plastered with a shit-eating grin, I'm going to hurl.) They massage the markets a little, and come up with their three consecutive quarters of growth, and pronounce the recession over. Their definition of 'recession' and Clinton's definition of 'sex with that woman' have a lot in common, it seems. For those of us whose reality depends on jobs and business activity, the recession is not over.

 

It seems that our government thinks we're sheep that must be herded, through scare tactics and too-good-to-be-true promises, than that we are intelligent people, capable of making rational decisions, given solid information. It seems that they want to construct a vision for us. It's like that line from "Chicago": "Who are you gonna believe, baby? Me? Or your own eyes?"

 

We need to start electing people who respect and trust us.

 

(Disclaimer: I say "the government" and I'm no fan of the Harper administration, but at this time, I'm not sure anyone else could or would do better. My references to the government are aimed at those who seem to gravitate to such positions of power these days and their approach to dealing with the public. My comments are not in any way meant to be partisan.)

[PistolPete 61421]

experience difficulty breathing, or disorientation.

 

Kinda like having sex hard and heavy for a good long hour...mmmmmm..Katedot could you put me into that frenzy?

 

To subject at hand....or shall I say .."Just wash your hands" and stay clear if you are feeling flu like symptoms.

 

As for the young boy that died from this..my heart goes out to the family, but at the same time, my thought is..if your child had these symptoms would you not rush him/her off to the hospital? especially the breathing issue.

 

I will wait until the line ups are done, or the government runs out of vaccine. It probably would be the later.

[cat 262460]

I shall take you to bed and have my way with you

 

I will make you ache, shake and sweat until you moan and groan

 

I will make you beg for mercy, beg for me to stop

 

I will exhaust you to the point where you will be relieved when I'm finished with you

 

And when I am finished with you, you will be weak for days

 

All my love...The Flu

 

 

 

For the last two weeks in our home the H1N1 has been a guest. I had my visit to Ottawa and everything was fine, but when I returned it had taken up residence and everyone was dancing to it tune. Last Sunday I started the fever and the symptoms hit fast. It was unlike anything I've ever had. I don't get virus' but this showed up and took hold of me. What I wasn't expecting was the body pain. If any of you have ever donated bone marrow, the process is painful but the recovery is a pain that sits in the area of the extraction and takes a month to subside. My entire body feels like the marrow has been drained. The other symptoms are manageable but I can't believe I'm so sore. The good thing is it is out of the way and I am well on the road to recovery. I feel so sorry for the children with it.

 

Wash your hands, keep things clean and take care of yourself. Everyone knows their body best, if you want a vaccination then get one. It's your body, your health, your decision...

 

Smiles....Cat

[JoyfulC 132299]

Reading thru some of the threads, a lot of SPs and hobbiests check for STDs on a regular basis. If they go thru the trouble to protect themselves that way. Why not take the flu shot? Is it that much of a difference? Just trying to protect ourselves and people around us that we share our time with. And for members with young kids at home, is that another reason to consider?

 

If I had little kids, believe me -- I'd be getting vaccinated. They're germy little critters.

 

But with respect to STDs, can you not understand that although we deal with the public, there might be a difference in our level of risk re: STDs and H1N1?

 

I see 2-5 clients a week. I have sex with all of them. Outside of that, I do not venture out in public much. My husband does, once a week shopping -- and he washes up the minute he gets in. We have one neighbour who (insists on) visiting regularly, and a couple more we see in passing.

 

So do you really think, given that information, that I'm at as high a risk for H1N1 as I am for an STD? (...and I'm not even sure that, compared to the general public, I'm at all that high a risk for an STD -- haven't tested positive for one yet, I'm selective and informed.)

 

We have to trust one another. Those of us who don't choose to get vaccinated must support the government in making sure vaccines are available to those who would feel safer with it. But on the same token, those of you who choose to get it must trust those of us who decide to either wait or not get it at all to make the best decision for ourselves.

[Guest S***e]

Based upon everything to date here in Ottawa, by the time we (the great unwashed) are in a position to get our shots if we so desire the flu season will have come and gone. I feel bad for those are in the high risk groups who are trying to get theirs to no avail because those who are not in the high risk group are showing up due to mass hysteria. This whole system is a joke and I shudder to think what our officials would do for something more serious, e.g. small pox, a natural disaster, a terrorist attack, or Tim Hortons running out of donuts.

[Pretty_Playmate 107]

I was an sp in Toronto when SARS came about so I remember the fright. I feel it again as I am a milf and god forbid I should catch it and bring it home.....

I will be extra selective.

[Suzirider 737]

Am I just thinking too much ?

Let's say I suspect I just picked up a virus on my hands (a store clerk sneezes, wipes there nose, then hands me my change).

I get to my sink at home without touching anything (really hard to do).

I wash my hands with the delightful scent of lemon dish soap wafting up my nose. (not much different than getting sneezed at)

Repeat: Molecules from hands, up my nose.

Hmmmmm solutions ?

Hold my breath ? Wash under an exhaust vent ?

Semi serious here !

 

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=9&ved=0CBoQFjAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.handhygiene.org%2Fdocuments%2FWhyisHandHygieneImportantinPreventingtheSpreadofInfluenza05.06.09.pdf&rct=j&q=virus+on+hands&ei=SBHvSqzON47llQfNiLj_BA&usg=AFQjCNHL1N5Hinsl8cBkbgR2hfeW5yMDMg