Serious questions about INCALLS from a HOTEL?

[zxc456 100]

I was reading a PDF file from Power Ottawa June 24th, 2011

The Toolkit: Ottawa area sex workers speak out and now I have a question about incalls that was brought up in that PDF.

 

It mentioned how escorts will get clients that show up at their HOTEL incall for an appointment, and during the appointment they will threaten to "out them" and call the police and tell them that the escort is working from a hotel room and is then "running a bawdy house".

 

The escort gets essentially blackmailed and is told to do what the client demands or else he will tell on her.

 

WHAT would you do in that situation if you are in a hotel and are supposed to be there for a day or two and they threaten to rat you out?

 

If they call the police and tell them what you are doing - do you lie? do you pretend you have no idea what they're talking about?

 

How OFTEN are independent escorts working from a motel / hotel get harassed if they are discreet?

 

Thanks.

[cat 262460]

I understand you questioning this but providers are not about to discuss their management of these situations in a public forum as it simply gives a client with this intention insight into how to circumvent our safety measures.

I gently suggest you find a good agency, learn the ropes, earn your stripes and if you go indie and still have questions you will be granted access to the private area where our important issues are discussed.

This game is sold, not told. Let the people making the money off the phones teach you. It's their job...

cat

[SexxxyRebecca 57990]

I was reading a PDF file from Power Ottawa June 24th, 2011

The Toolkit: Ottawa area sex workers speak out and now I have a question about incalls that was brought up in that PDF.

 

It mentioned how escorts will get clients that show up at their HOTEL incall for an appointment, and during the appointment they will threaten to "out them" and call the police and tell them that the escort is working from a hotel room and is then "running a bawdy house".

 

The escort gets essentially blackmailed and is told to do what the client demands or else he will tell on her.

 

WHAT would you do in that situation if you are in a hotel and are supposed to be there for a day or two and they threaten to rat you out?

 

If they call the police and tell them what you are doing - do you lie? do you pretend you have no idea what they're talking about?

 

How OFTEN are independent escorts working from a motel / hotel get harassed if they are discreet?

 

Thanks.

 

I have worked from hotels for while now, in different city and I never had a problem... I stay discret, keep my room clean, no "party".. I think it can help.. ;)

[SamanthaEvans 166767]

zxc456, pay careful heed to what Cat says.

 

I would never work from a room in a motel because their security systems are negligible at best. My visitors and I deserve the far greater privacy and safety which are guaranteed in the finest hotels.

 

As for blackmail, the men I entertain are not fools. I always know and have verified my guests' identities and they always know that their privacy is sacrosanct as long as I'm safe.

 

In our shadowy world, we look out for each other and will go to great lengths to help one another be safe. No one keeps secrets as well as we do, provided that those who need secrecy are honest. But the questions you ask and the ways that you frame them are so unlike anything I've been asked by dozens of young women who were considering joining our profession that I'm finding it difficult to believe that you're one of them.

[roamingguy 300292]

If that is a real concern my only advice is to employ a good verification system to screen your clients/potential clients

Really any guy who is going to blackmail as you suggest would run the risk of exposing himself too

The reality of this lifestyle is men seek out ladies for companionship

This idea of blackmail seems far out, as much as the idea that ladies would use verificaction to blackmail clients

A morning rambling

RG

[backrubman 64800]

WHAT would you do in that situation if you are in a hotel and are supposed to be there for a day or two and they threaten to rat you out?

 

I don't think that constitutes a viable threat any longer. Law enforcement has really no interest as any applicable laws that would make what the lady is doing illegal have twice been declared a charter violation and they have no need to make it three times, added to this where is the evidence? While the blackmailer could attest to one visit that is all, the ladies location has to be used for that purpose more than once to be 'common'.

 

The hotel appreciates the lady's business, she is their paying guest.

 

So I don't think anyone would be interested in hearing what the 'rat' had to say :)

[Studio 110 by Sophia 150333]

I have never heard of this kind of blackmail really. Usually blackmail is one of outing you with your ads. It is wise when you are starting out, not to show your face in pic's and hide tattoos or recognizable jewelry.

 

I do not think the cops would be interested in such a thing, unless you are a minor, or involved with drugs, pimps or any other shady activities. Even in those cases(expect minors) usually the cops will take time to build a case. Dont think they would jump on hersay.

 

I agree with Cat, perhaps starting off with an agency till you learn more about the biz is a good idea. If you want to do INDY, then really do your homework so that you can not so easily be manipulated into this kind of scenario.

 

If you are screening your clients well, I do not for see clients wanting to get messed up with all of this. Being a new SP you may want your clients to provide references to ease your mind.

[PistolPete 61421]

You have joined this board just this February, your 3 posts are inquiring about the business of an SP.

 

Your questions are delicate ones, you seem to be wanting "how to go about things from a SPs point of view in the business" But are you really questioning yourself about doing this line of work?

 

I've read your posts and you come across to be very apprehensive about it all. Perhaps with the line of questions you are asking, as Samantha Evans said as well

" not every lady is cut out for this line of work"

 

I'm sorry but I read a lot apprehension from yourself, it isn't just the legal aspect of the biz, it is the mental part as well, what happens if your friends find out? Your family?

 

Are you suitable to give your heart and soul to gentlemen that walk through your door? Are you willing to make passionate love to a complete stranger? Or in some cases more than one stranger a day?

 

There are so many other details other than the legal aspect ( which is of course very important) you should really give yourself a "gut check" and ask yourself can you do this line of work?

 

My thoughts on that topic.

 

To your question, I've seen 99% of ladies at their location, I've done 5 outcalls in my time. Real guys/gents don't play blackmailing games, it is called a screening process on the ladies part.

 

Best of luck to you.

 

 

 

I was reading a PDF file from Power Ottawa June 24th, 2011

The Toolkit: Ottawa area sex workers speak out and now I have a question about incalls that was brought up in that PDF.

 

It mentioned how escorts will get clients that show up at their HOTEL incall for an appointment, and during the appointment they will threaten to "out them" and call the police and tell them that the escort is working from a hotel room and is then "running a bawdy house".

 

The escort gets essentially blackmailed and is told to do what the client demands or else he will tell on her.

 

WHAT would you do in that situation if you are in a hotel and are supposed to be there for a day or two and they threaten to rat you out?

 

If they call the police and tell them what you are doing - do you lie? do you pretend you have no idea what they're talking about?

 

How OFTEN are independent escorts working from a motel / hotel get harassed if they are discreet?

 

Thanks.

[Wolf Knight 29667]

Hey zxc456,

 

I'll be very straight up with you. Based on the nature of your questions so far and my reading of responding posts (specificly reading between the lines) there is some question related to wheather you're legit in your intentions.

 

That said I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and provide some advice.

 

I am a newbie myself albeit on the client side however I believe that seeking out and asking questions of experienced, knowledgeable people with expertise is ALWAYS a good idea. So you are doing what you should definately do, seek answers. However, the venue for some questions (like some of the ones you've asked in this and another post) may not be appropriate in a public forum like this one (I have noted that very experienced, successful SP's with alot to offer a newbie have point blank told you this). So I would suggest that you read the boards and determine an SP who's thoughts and opinions you feel you respect and tend to mirror yours and privately contact this SP and ask if they would be willing to address some of your questions. I assure you that based on my personal experience that cerb is filled with wonderful, interesting KNOWLEDGEABLE people and you will find a generous person who will be more than happy to help you. (plus they may be more forthcomming in a private conversation).

 

Personally, I had some concerns and questions as a client before contacting an SP so I privately contacted a very experienced and respected hobbiest here on cerb who thankfully offered advice and opinions that addressed my concerns. Being new I did not want to request advice or speak my mind in an open forum as I was aware that in my ignorance (lack of knowledge) I could inadvertantly offend someone with my questions. It turns out that it was a good idea because I asked a innocent but offencive question that quite frankly would have put me in the dog house here on cerb and was informed of my error (oops!).

 

There is a wealth of knowledge and experience here on cerb related to not just this industry but many aspects of life in general. Use it, but don't abuse anyones good nature or pass judgement in any way. I have discovered that there are many different approaches to operating in this industry each with their own unique benefits and pitfalls and each SP had chosen their approach based on what works for her. It's definately not a one size fits all for either the SP's or the clients so with some guideance from those "in-the -know" you'll find what works for you.

 

Good luck from Chuck

[Guest S**a*Q]

I'm going to blunt here (as I usually am...).

Take it like you want, but I speak the truth.

 

I've read your (intense) questions and stuff, while it's good to be inquisitive, we can't hold your hand while you post an ad or hump someone for you.

 

Nothing we say, nothing anyone says, will make the transition into this profession easier.

 

You need to just suck it up, find a client, charge them for your time, and give them the best service you can. (Just like the rest of us did.)

 

To do the latter... Read the info here and just get out there and do it.

 

You'll either be cut out for it, or you won't. (Unfortunately, from what I've seen, most aren't. It takes a special person to do what we do and do it right.)

 

It's that simple.

 

I was reading a PDF file from Power Ottawa June 24th, 2011

The Toolkit: Ottawa area sex workers speak out and now I have a question about incalls that was brought up in that PDF.

 

It mentioned how escorts will get clients that show up at their HOTEL incall for an appointment, and during the appointment they will threaten to "out them" and call the police and tell them that the escort is working from a hotel room and is then "running a bawdy house".

 

The escort gets essentially blackmailed and is told to do what the client demands or else he will tell on her.

 

WHAT would you do in that situation if you are in a hotel and are supposed to be there for a day or two and they threaten to rat you out?

 

If they call the police and tell them what you are doing - do you lie? do you pretend you have no idea what they're talking about?

 

How OFTEN are independent escorts working from a motel / hotel get harassed if they are discreet?

 

Thanks.

[roamingguy 300292]

I have to wonder about all these beliefs people have about being blackmailed in this lifestyle. I've read guys' concerns over SPs using verification information to blackmail them (reporting them to their wife)

and now a SP would risk being outted by a client/blackmailer to the police

unless she does what the client/blackmailer says.

Long and short of this, most of us, both ladies and gentlemen are not rich. We have bills to pay, rent/mortgage/car payments/raising kids etc etc etc. For the guys, this lifestyle is done on disposable income. And it may appear that based on hourly rates a lady charges, she should be rich. But she doesn't work a forty hour work week, she only gets paid for the hours she sees a client. Not to mention some of that money goes into running her business...it isn't 100% profit

I'm only saying this because in reality clients/SP's for the most part aren't rolling in dough and cash cows for blackmailers...so why worry

Second, if someone threatened to out you, tell them go ahead...you'll only be a victim of blackmail if you let a blackmailer blackmail you. If they see you won't let yourself be blackmailed, they lose all leverage

RG

[IrishWhiskey 370]

My GF works as a dancer and an escort, and I'm sure that what I'm going to say isn't true for all the women in this business, but I always sense a change in her after being with a client. Not a negative change (unless it was a bad date), but definitely something psychological. I bring this up because I think this profession is not for everyone, obviously. It takes a strong woman, with many amazing qualities to be able to do this. Just my thoughts.

[zxc456 100]

I have to wonder about all these beliefs people have about being blackmailed in this lifestyle. I've read guys' concerns over SPs using verification information to blackmail them (reporting them to their wife)

and now a SP would risk being outted by a client/blackmailer to the police

unless she does what the client/blackmailer says.

Long and short of this, most of us, both ladies and gentlemen are not rich. We have bills to pay, rent/mortgage/car payments/raising kids etc etc etc. For the guys, this lifestyle is done on disposable income. And it may appear that based on hourly rates a lady charges, she should be rich. But she doesn't work a forty hour work week, she only gets paid for the hours she sees a client. Not to mention some of that money goes into running her business...it isn't 100% profit

I'm only saying this because in reality clients/SP's for the most part aren't rolling in dough and cash cows for blackmailers...so why worry

Second, if someone threatened to out you, tell them go ahead...you'll only be a victim of blackmail if you let a blackmailer blackmail you. If they see you won't let yourself be blackmailed, they lose all leverage

RG

 

You guys cannot fathom such behaviour because of this website. You are familiar with each other, proper etiquette and behaviour, and can appreciate both parties desire for discretion and safety.

 

Not everyone is a "hobbyist". Not everyone keeps track of references or even knows such a world like this exists online. Some men just randomly will call up an escort to get laid.

 

Despite giving clients the "benefit of the doubt" - Not everyone has admirable intentions or behaviour.

 

I mean blackmail in the sense of threatening to out the woman if they do not do __________ acts etc.

 

It might seem harsh to be suspicious but like I said, not everyone has good intentions.

 

And @ The thread for questioning "legitimacy" - Why? Of course I am "looking into" this in seriousness and asking questions. Why else would someone make an account and actually inquire about serious issues in this industry?

 

Even if I wasn't serious and I changed my mind about doing this - What would that matter? It means I would have researched, found out this wasn't for me, and made the right decision for me.

 

The hostility is quite irritating and unnecessary.

[Ashley Ann 75247]

WHAT would you do in that situation if you are in a hotel and are supposed to be there for a day or two and they threaten to rat you out?

 

 

My first repsonse would be : Go ahead...make my day ...I dare you to go and report me to the hotel, and while your at it-you can explain how it is that you know this....lol

 

I would also keep his money, order him the eff out and then take his information and report it to the sp bad date section ;)

[mod 135640]

You guys cannot fathom such behaviour because of this website. You are familiar with each other, proper etiquette and behaviour, and can appreciate both parties desire for discretion and safety.

 

Not everyone is a "hobbyist". Not everyone keeps track of references or even knows such a world like this exists online. Some men just randomly will call up an escort to get laid.

 

Despite giving clients the "benefit of the doubt" - Not everyone has admirable intentions or behaviour.

 

I mean blackmail in the sense of threatening to out the woman if they do not do __________ acts etc.

 

It might seem harsh to be suspicious but like I said, not everyone has good intentions.

 

And @ The thread for questioning "legitimacy" - Why? Of course I am "looking into" this in seriousness and asking questions. Why else would someone make an account and actually inquire about serious issues in this industry?

 

Even if I wasn't serious and I changed my mind about doing this - What would that matter? It means I would have researched, found out this wasn't for me, and made the right decision for me.

 

The hostility is quite irritating and unnecessary.

 

A number of us here on cerb think you are actually a guy posing as a lady asking these questions, we have let you continue to see what becomes of this (your intentions).... Some members suspect you may be a guy we recently banned.

 

Your writing style and wording choices scream "male"... We just want to be sure before we ban your account so we are basically letting you hang yourself here,

[fortunateone 156618]

You guys cannot fathom such behaviour because of this website. You are familiar with each other, proper etiquette and behaviour, and can appreciate both parties desire for discretion and safety.

 

Not everyone is a "hobbyist". Not everyone keeps track of references or even knows such a world like this exists online. Some men just randomly will call up an escort to get laid.

 

Despite giving clients the "benefit of the doubt" - Not everyone has admirable intentions or behaviour.

 

I mean blackmail in the sense of threatening to out the woman if they do not do __________ acts etc.

 

It might seem harsh to be suspicious but like I said, not everyone has good intentions.

 

And @ The thread for questioning "legitimacy" - Why? Of course I am "looking into" this in seriousness and asking questions. Why else would someone make an account and actually inquire about serious issues in this industry?

 

Even if I wasn't serious and I changed my mind about doing this - What would that matter? It means I would have researched, found out this wasn't for me, and made the right decision for me.

 

The hostility is quite irritating and unnecessary.

 

 

 

 

I think it is because you are ignoring the things that are actually real issues and things that you should or could be needing to know, and focusing on things that happen once in a million encounters.

 

Your question shouldn't really be a concern about where will you go if a client wants to report you to the front desk, but what to do if a client wants to try to make you do things that you don't offer in your sessions. What you do is make sure before the appointment is even booked that he completely understands what you do and do not offer, and how much the rate is. And what you do is, as mentioned above, keep the $$ and show him the door if he doesn't comply. He booked and showed up based on the conditions you laid out, he can leave if he wants to change them.

 

 

And also, how likely do you think it is, that a guy who came into a hotel in order to see an sp, is now going downstairs to the front desk to tell them they have an sp in room 2012? And thus expose himself as the guy who just came from seeing an sp? Again, one in a million.

[SamanthaEvans 166767]

It's easy to launch trial balloons in the form of "What if..." questions, especially online where no one knows who anyone is or what their ulterior motive may be.

 

But if I've taken a room at, say, the PanPacific Hotel here in Vancouver and someone goes to the front desk and says that the lady in room 1811 is a prostitute and is entertaining clients there today, I expect the hotel management will laugh long and hard. "Prove it," they will say. "Start by first telling us who you are (and showing some ID), then tell us the name of the person registered in that room and give us a concrete reason to believe that this person is working there."

 

What will you do? Provide your identification? Somehow, I find this difficult to imagine. Can you furnish the name under which the room is registered? I guarantee that you won't be able to do that. Will you be able to provide evidence that someone called Samantha Evans has invited you to consort with her at the PanPacific Hotel this afternoon? Maybe you can. But you won't have a room number and in any case the PanPacific has never heard of Samantha Evans. You can get frustrated and pound the desk. You can roll your eyes and storm around a little bit. You can say that maybe you have the room number wrong, but you know that there's a prostitute in the hotel and you want them to take action, to call the police or at least go and check that room or other rooms. This might be an interesting way to entertain yourself for about five minutes on a rainy Vancouver afternoon in the dregs of winter. But from the hotel's standpoint you will look like a spiteful boyfriend or a malicious ex-partner or someone who's just got it in for a woman who turned him down when he tried to pick her up in the bar.

 

If I do say so myself, no one has ever visited me anywhere and complained about it afterward. Oh, wait. That's not true. See, I had this stalker awhile back.... The police took care of that problem for me. But otherwise, the gentlemen who visit me and who see my colleagues in similar circumstances are no more interested in causing harm to me than I am in harming them or anyone else, anywhere, anytime. We meet. They pay me for my time. We engage in mutually agreeable things, whether we have a meal, play some chess, debate what passes for politics in B.C. or indulge in a wide range of delectable, erotic activities. Usually it's a combination of things. And at the end of our appointed time, we part company amicably. It's that simple.

 

It may transpire that the gentleman and I discover that we're really not quite as compatible as we'd expected. The meeting may go very well, but one or the other of us may not want to repeat. Maybe he was looking for a one-time encounter, nothing more. Astonishingly, a man could discover that a verbal, opinionated woman isn't his preferred cup of tea regardless of her other skills and assets. Whatever the reason, it won't be because one of us has robbed the other, or because either of us was assaulted or has ventured to blackmail the other.

 

Fear-mongering helps no one. But if you believe that most people are out to get you, if you imagine that everyone is hatching some dire plan to bring about your ruin... sweetheart, this is not the right profession for you. You will either take foolish risks that bring about exactly what you hoped to avoid or you will take no chances at all and earn nothing. At the least, you will end up feeling bitter, used and degraded because that's all you expected to feel, no matter how much cash you've got in your hand.

 

More than 99% of the time, if screened effectively, the client is not an enemy.

[Capital Hunter 18263]

I think Vanessa gave you a good advice. In addition if he threatens to call the police, remind him that he has to explain to the police why he is there himself. It is criminal to be found in a bawdy house if he is in the hotel room that he claims to be one. Not to mention blackmail.

[Cowboy kenny 50799]

 

The hostility is quite irritating and unnecessary.

 

and so are you.

[VedaSloan 119179]

You guys cannot fathom such behaviour because of this website. You are familiar with each other, proper etiquette and behaviour, and can appreciate both parties desire for discretion and safety.

 

Not everyone is a "hobbyist". Not everyone keeps track of references or even knows such a world like this exists online. Some men just randomly will call up an escort to get laid.

 

Despite giving clients the "benefit of the doubt" - Not everyone has admirable intentions or behaviour.

 

I mean blackmail in the sense of threatening to out the woman if they do not do __________ acts etc.

 

It might seem harsh to be suspicious but like I said, not everyone has good intentions.

 

And @ The thread for questioning "legitimacy" - Why? Of course I am "looking into" this in seriousness and asking questions. Why else would someone make an account and actually inquire about serious issues in this industry?

 

Even if I wasn't serious and I changed my mind about doing this - What would that matter? It means I would have researched, found out this wasn't for me, and made the right decision for me.

 

The hostility is quite irritating and unnecessary.

 

FFS.

 

1. Many of the ladies who have responded to you with EXCELLENT advice have been doing this for more than 20 years. I'm pretty sure they'd be able to "fathom" such behaviour if it actually happened on a regular basis--except it doesn't.

 

2. If you're so suspicious and paranoid--this really isn't the right job for you. Not that it matters because...

 

3. ....I'm pretty sure you're a dude! I hate to play gender roles here, but no legit woman looking to get into this business would ask the questions you're asking.

[Guest *on***e2]

Yes I tend to agree, on you being a man. I really feel a woman would be asking different types of questions.

But if you are female and you are having doubts this is prob not the right profession for you.