jerican 657 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Wrinkled, I have often been impressed with your well thought out posts and here I am again. I have been trying to think of how to say this but having issues with my wording. Great points and exactly what I was thinking. To go further as well it should be noted that the men who are respectful, fun and appreciative of the SP's will generally have a much better time as the women notice these men. The men who do approach this in a condescending way or look at the women as their object for the hour or two (although generally I would think these are the 30 minute guys) will get much less mileage and may be refused future visits. I, like many of the regular posters, don't approach this hobby for just sex, but instead the experience, the adventure and the intimacy. We are hearing from both sides of the experience in this thread and I think there is a general consensus that the SP's are providing a service but the limits are dependent on the visit and the visitor... This thought experiment is indeed an odd one -- but thought experiments by their very nature are intended to be somewhat detached from reality, I suppose. So I'll play along for one round: A provider is not OBLIGATED to do anything that is outside her comfort zone. However, she is quite reasonably EXPECTED to be in the business that she has advertised. This business is based on an exchange of money for a specific type of service. (Note: it is not an exchange of money for "ownership" or for "power" or any other psychobabble anyone may wish to imagine: it is an exchange of money for a service. This is really not a strange or particularly suspicious idea!) But, as in so many things in life, common-sense prevails. If a so-called "provider" has no valid client-specific reason as to why she will not "do anything", and is operating instead on an "April Fools!" basis (her policy is that she always only plays Scrabble, even though she markets herself as something else) then that really is deliberate deception ("fraud", if you will) -- and she's not a "provider" at all, technically. (The traditional pro-forma disclaimer on providers' ads about "time" do not make them any less a claim to being a provider of these other services.) No matter how charming a Scrabble player she is, word will get around that she is not really a full provider, and her client list will likely not get as long as it otherwise would, lol (no offense intended to Scrabble players -- I love Scrabble, even though it only has one X). Now, watching her paint her toes could be a whole other story ... Cheers, Wrinkled Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
a******s.m*****e 187 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 I am really sorry that I have been misunderstood like this. I have meant "owning" in a good way, in a sexy way. I remember as a young girl fantasizing about having a slave boy for sex, and the thought still turns me on. I never acted out my fantasy, nor do I feel like doing it, never had a boytoy, just find the thought kind of sexy. Yes, I think that the thought is exciting, and if YOU don't find it exciting, that is your right, you have different fantasies, just please, please, get off the subject already :) I promise I will never say anything without having considered the effect of it on the board members. ;) Thanks :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest W***ledi*Time Report post Posted June 29, 2009 the 30 minute guys... will get much less mileage thanks J ... 30 minutes?? no wonder less mileage ... that wouldn't even be enough time to finish the game of strip-Scrabble! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest W***ledi*Time Report post Posted June 29, 2009 never had a boytoy, just find the thought kind of sexy ha ha ... i can tell you're a great masseuse, anita ... you really know how to push those buttons ... god love ya, i'd beg for the honour of being your boy-toy but i'm stuck on the wrong coast ... cheers, your pal wrinkled Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
a******s.m*****e 187 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 ha ha ... i can tell you're a great masseuse, anita ... you really know how to push those buttons ... god love ya, i'd beg for the honour of being your boy-toy but i'm stuck on the wrong coast ... cheers, your pal wrinkled Just wait until you see how good I am at Scrabble LOL Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest W***ledi*Time Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Just wait until you see how good I am at Scrabble LOL i love it when you talk dirty to me like that ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest W***ledi*Time Report post Posted June 29, 2009 i love it when you talk dirty to me like that ... ha ha, just remembered you're not allowed to talk dirty in Scrabble anymore ... OSPD3 (Official Scrabble Player's Dictionary, 3rd Edition, 1996) expurgated the following list of words, formerly acceptable in OSPD2: http://www.seattlescrabble.org/expurg.php I remember years ago, not long after we bought the new 3rd edition, I played one of the newly censored words in a game and got challenged, ultimately losing to my brother by a few points because of it. Even though that was 13 years ago, I'm still "pissed" (itself one of the censored words). Scrabble players never forget, or forgive ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misterdynomite30 174 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 you are going to have your fantasy fulfilled and you arent gonna have the worry of the lady saying oh Im full...Ok Im done Im going home and your left with money out of your pocket and wondering why you didnt get what you wanted... Also with SP's there is that privacy...... *ding ding* Hit nail on the head. :mrgreen: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MandalayBay 575 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Being an escort is the best job in the world! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Annessa 22743 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 Being an escort is the best job in the world! amen! i gotta say that in re-reading some posts and talking to anita in PM i think a lot was jumped on on the subject of the word ownership....not dragging it on but I think that a great SP should also connect with a client in a intellectual intercourse type way aside from penetration, lol......and I think that a lot was lost in translation when she was trying to state the obvious that sex is involved. I feel bad for jumpin on her comments....obviously we all (SPs and clients) know what our profession entails, I just assumed by the comments that it was thought that because of sex being involved that we were deemed as items or property. now that i see that although improper terms were used at the start, that this is not what she meant. and that the "kidding ourselves" quote was more or less used to state that sex was involved when we all used the words intimacy or something like that. It is, but the bottom line is that so many wonderful and successful SPs on here are valued for more than the mechanical in-n-out (as Jerican said...the 30-min clients seeking a rushed experience can take on those girls, lol) but more for their conversation, social skills and lack of chewing gum like a cow while twirling their hair and chatting about Brittney Spears. (no offence to BSpears) Sorry for jumping too hard on the subject Anita (my opinionated self jumping the gun to be blamed, lol) we just all would like to be appreciated as professionals in our own trait.....we know what we're getting into as do most. But it is a sensitive subject among many clients and workers who do the best to keep everyone respected and on the green side of the fence :-) done talking about that part... in response to the original post: "why not? " ;-) hehe Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
a******s.m*****e 187 Report post Posted June 29, 2009 amen! i gotta say that in re-reading some posts and talking to anita in PM i think a lot was jumped on on the subject of the word ownership....not dragging it on but I think that a great SP should also connect with a client in a intellectual intercourse type way aside from penetration, lol......and I think that a lot was lost in translation when she was trying to state the obvious that sex is involved. I feel bad for jumpin on her comments....obviously we all (SPs and clients) know what our profession entails, I just assumed by the comments that it was thought that because of sex being involved that we were deemed as items or property. now that i see that although improper terms were used at the start, that this is not what she meant. and that the "kidding ourselves" quote was more or less used to state that sex was involved when we all used the words intimacy or something like that. It is, but the bottom line is that so many wonderful and successful SPs on here are valued for more than the mechanical in-n-out (as Jerican said...the 30-min clients seeking a rushed experience can take on those girls, lol) but more for their conversation, social skills and lack of chewing gum like a cow while twirling their hair and chatting about Brittney Spears. (no offence to BSpears) Sorry for jumping too hard on the subject Anita (my opinionated self jumping the gun to be blamed, lol) we just all would like to be appreciated as professionals in our own trait.....we know what we're getting into as do most. But it is a sensitive subject among many clients and workers who do the best to keep everyone respected and on the green side of the fence :-) done talking about that part... in response to the original post: "why not? " ;-) hehe It's OK, Annessa, it was my fault. I have a tendency to speak before I think. I should have known the impact of the word I was using. I take the blame, because no matter how I mean something, I should still consider how other people will receive it. Very weak excuse, but English is my second language... ;) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YoungStud 468 Report post Posted July 3, 2009 I'm not one to complain and/or talk about problems with anyone so seeing SP's is all about having fun and not getting in to the day to day stuff. Although I imagine hearing about a bad day at work from an SP would be very, very interesting Yes, very interesting. I like to talk with providers about their work and their lives. Bad day at work is something like three no-shows and two offensive jerks in a row. But usually it's just another ho-hum day at the office. Lol. Most of them say they have a lot of pretty lame, middle-aged and older clients, many of whom think they are budding porn stars, but are in reality kind of sad, lonely, boring guys who are often very shy and very conservative about sex, and who are easily managed, easily satisfied and soon sent on their way. They also have some (usually regulars and repeats) who are fun, interesting, sexually and personally confident, who are looking for either some sexual variety in their lives or some quick and easy NSA sex. Those clients make the job enjoyble. In either case, the providers just laugh, smile and take their money, then have their real sex life with their BF or GF plus often occasional boytoys or girltoys or battery toys (lol) - and sometimes all the above. (lol) So the ordinary lives of professional "booty call partners" can actully be pretty interesting. :? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andee 220524 Report post Posted July 3, 2009 (edited) As SPs, we are supposed to offer "discretion" and "no strings attached". They call us, we don't call them, right? One of my guys told me I am the most inexpensive, non-hassling "girlfriend" he's ever not dated. And he is good looking. But he is a self-admitted workaholic and golf nut and is extremely busy...he also has 13 year old daughter he has part-time, so in his cae he doesn't want to be tied down with the inevitable, "why don't you call me, why don't you pay attention to me, when are you going to introduce me to your parents...friends...when are you going to make a commitment, when are we going to move in together, when you going to marry me...etc. etc." Plus in this case, he's younger and likes the more mature woman's point of view. Which is a bonus to me, because he has a hot bod, tasteful tattoos, just for starters...sometimes I wonder, why me? Why the older chick thing? Hey works for me! Think about it, even a good looking guy still has to go out there, do the social thing, buy some drinks or whatever before "closing the deal" unless he has a little black book he can open, and call, but I don't think that's the norm. So it's just simpler to pick up the phone, come over, open your wallet for the pleasure of a guaranteed thing that will actually have a happy ending. Remember the classic old saying: "you pay a hooker to leave (not to stay):roll:". Edited July 3, 2009 by Mature Angela change text Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Apex2006 1071 Report post Posted July 3, 2009 Why? Cause we can! For me I have no time to put up with the bulshit of dating, I have lots of stuff on my plate. Can I go pick a woman at a bar? Yes I'm sire I can, then after work, I need to go home, get changed go to a bar downtown spen $5.00 cover spend $100.00 on drinks just to get her number. Then call her and bring her out for dinner then bring her back to her place for some fun. Then daiting has started! I get the phone calls at work to set a dinner date, and in my line of work, I will most likly be late or not even make it for dinner. Then I have to go through the argument of "Do you not care about me, you ell me that you will be here for dinner and.....Blah, Blah, Blah...." I get a guilt trip then I start all over again. I don't have time for bullshit so it's easer if I want a good, well you know, I pull out the CERB menu and see what's for lunch! So for me, it's just a convinience issue! Apex Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest S***e Report post Posted July 3, 2009 Although I may be somewhat cynical in my approach, it's been my experience that everything in life comes at a cost be it a committed relationship, a casual relationship, a one-night stand, a booty call or some time with an SP. They are all different and they all come at a different price be it monetary, emotional or other-wise but there is a price for everything. Old Spike Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
caveman 147 Report post Posted July 3, 2009 I don't think it's fair to say that most guys are just looking for sex, although I agree that sex is in the equation for most guys. However, if you're out at the bars, then all of the guys there are probably just looking for sex. Despite what the movies tell us, no guy heads to the bar looking for a relationship... Posted via Mobile Device Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RubJunky 1954 Report post Posted July 3, 2009 You guys/gals all have great theories about why men, woman, couples, gays, lesbians and who ever else I missed visit SP's. I on the other hand love MA's, "good MA's" and maybe one day I will cross the line and indulge with some of you gorgeous, fun loving and smart SP's..... but has anyone stop to think the one reason we visit MA's or SP's is solely out of pure fun. just a thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brinston2004 100 Report post Posted July 4, 2009 You guys/gals all have great theories about why men, woman, couples, gays, lesbians and who ever else I missed visit SP's. I on the other hand love MA's, "good MA's" and maybe one day I will cross the line and indulge with some of you gorgeous, fun loving and smart SP's..... but has anyone stop to think the one reason we visit MA's or SP's is solely out of pure fun. just a thought. I am with you. I like to have fun. My biggest problem is that I am too shy to approach a lady in a bar or anywhere else. I even agonize calling a SP for days before I get up the nerve to contact them. However when I do I find most make me feel at ease and make my time fun and enjoyable even if I do come across as a bit reserved and quiet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VedaSloan 119179 Report post Posted July 7, 2009 OK, I knew it would be easy to misunderstand, but maybe the guys know what I am talking about. Having paid for a girl for sex for an hour is basically owning her pussy for at least a few minutes. And having the right to touch her intimately. I wish I had a better word instead of Owning. Maybe having access sounds better...? I prefer to think of it as renting my body. There is no ownership involved. There are conditions to rent, as with anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
misterdynomite30 174 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 Originally Posted by anitas.massage OK, I knew it would be easy to misunderstand, but maybe the guys know what I am talking about. Having paid for a girl for sex for an hour is basically owning her pussy for at least a few minutes. Even though "Own" is too strong of a word (because an SP can cut the date short for any reason.. so you don't 'own' her) , but i do understand what you MIGHT have been trying to say. I like the feeling that when im with an SP, we do our thing till it gets done! We aren't competing with another guy to get the Girl & there is no ex bf thats going to crash in thru the door unexpectedly and say "A-HA!, yer times up bud.. jump out the window before I crush you... and no... you DONT get your clothes back!" Doesn't it just suck when that happens? :wink: LOL But seriously.. I've found a lot of SP's that i've met were easier to get along with than regular women at the bar. The egos were put aside and (for most) the bad attitiudes were toned wayyy down. They are there for 1 thing... whereas the women at the bars i've met were there for 5 different things.. u know 1 of the things and you play an extended mind-guessing game as to what the other 4 things are. Guys don't always have the pacience for that all the time. We want sex on OUR scheduele just like women do. I don't know if i'm going to be horny and available to a bootycall on a Thrursday afternoon at 4:22 pm on her scheduele... but whenever i do get the feeling, i can usually depend more on an SP than a booty call. It's nice to meet people who are on the same page as you.. but people are hella complicated at bars due to alcohol, impared hearing from loud music and just bad timing. Which is why some men choose to go to SP's. The chances of B.S. are very slim most times. I've never felt 'ownership' of an SP but i do feel safe knowing she's catering to my time and needs (and visa versa.. it IS a mutal agreement) and the chances of some other guy taking her away before im done is pretty slim. And we don't have to compete with another guy to get the girl :wink: (i guess thats where the light feeling of 'shes mine' comes from?) There's a difference between a playful 'Yay.. shes mine for an hour' and the dark obsessiveness of 'i own her'... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Annessa 22743 Report post Posted July 9, 2009 I like the feeling that when im with an SP, we do our thing till it gets done! We aren't competing with another guy to get the Girl & there is no ex bf thats going to crash in thru the door unexpectedly and say "A-HA!, yer times up bud.. jump out the window before I crush you... and no... you DONT get your clothes back!" Doesn't it just suck when that happens? :wink: LOL *pah!* that just made me almost spit up my gingerale...hilarious image!! lmao! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VedaSloan 119179 Report post Posted July 10, 2009 I hate to be the blunt one here, but where are the responses about getting a fine piece of ass (some men) could never get for free? I mean, how else is Joe Blow gonna get to fuck a porn star? I guess you guys just have more tact than I do. Hahahahahaha. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buggernot 588 Report post Posted July 10, 2009 I hate to be the blunt one here, but where are the responses about getting a fine piece of ass (some men) could never get for free? I mean, how else is Joe Blow gonna get to fuck a porn star? I guess you guys just have more tact than I do. Hahahahahaha. It ain't tact, we're just not saying nothing because deep down inside we think that we could get that for free. You know, if she really got to know us and sees how wonderful we are and sees how great we are with dogs and small children and learns to revere our mad computer skillz and...ah fuck ok, I gotta pay for it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VedaSloan 119179 Report post Posted July 10, 2009 It ain't tact, we're just not saying nothing because deep down inside we think that we could get that for free. You know, if she really got to know us and sees how wonderful we are and sees how great we are with dogs and small children and learns to revere our mad computer skillz and...ah fuck ok, I gotta pay for it. What about big children? What if she had some awkwardly oversized baby? How are you with those? ;) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
etasman2000 15994 Report post Posted July 10, 2009 I hate to be the blunt one here, but where are the responses about getting a fine piece of ass (some men) could never get for free? I mean, how else is Joe Blow gonna get to fuck a porn star? I guess you guys just have more tact than I do. Hahahahahaha. I'll have to maintain a positive frame of mind.....if Ron 'The hedgehog' Jeremy can have a porn star for free so can I. Heh I said positive frame of mind, nothing about realistic :???: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
