A scary subject: BBFS

[livefast1098 2151]

Hi Everybody!

 

I don't know if I'm too much of a newbie to start a thread, especially one on such a strong subject but it's one that I feel very strongly about: BBFS in the Hobby, I don't get how anyone can justify it.

 

Browsing other boards that are, lets say, less politically correct than this one I see an increasing amount of talk around either more and more SPs offering BBFS ... one post even had a link to a BP ad near TO where the SP has it listed in her extras!! ... or johns asking for it, sometimes very aggressively according to some ladies. It seems prevalent enough that they even started a board dedicated to the pursuit of this dangerous activity!! (I won't promote it here)

 

Unless I'm really behind the times and some new miracle cure as been invented for all STDs isn't this pretty much the most dangerous activity to experiment in? Also, being a DATY lover this "trend" is scaring the living crap out of me. Aside from the very obvious heath risks involved (HIV being at the top of the list), the thought of ... squeamish people turn away now! ... licking up someones sloppy seconds is totally disgusting!! ... call me a prude but I won't even snowball my own stuff! lol

 

Levity aside I don't want to die, or be incapacitated, from this hobby because a few morons (male and female alike) want to play russian roulette with their sex lives. Now a few posters, again on other boards, have suggested starting screening new SPs when booking by asking if they provide the service as if you want it, the logic being they will then expose themselves more freely. Really not sure about this one, First I would need to play the creep (not my style), and second using this method might put me on the blacklist with the careful, reputable ones and ruin my rep.

 

I mainly repeat with 2 lovely ladies I'm very comfortable with but I like to "explore new territory" once in a while so a screening method would help ease my mind. Any comment on the subject ... from both Service Providers and fellow hobbyists ... would be appreciated.

 

Also, I'm very curious as to what the general consensus on the subject is? Am I overreacting here or is it as dangerous as I feel it is? Is it something that's more prevalent in other market/cities where competition is more fierce?

[SamanthaEvans 166767]

You are not over-reacting. There is enormous pressure on paid companions at every price point to provide bareback full service (BBFS). Many of us have been talking about this all fall and winter. We're concerned about the women who are being pressured into it for fear of having fewer clients.

 

I think it began with the trend to pressure women into providing uncovered BJs. Many companions believe this isn't safe. Others are willing to take the risks, since HIV is not associated with it because the HIV virus is too fragile to live in a human throat. However, there is a new strain of gonorrhea that isn't curable and gonorrhea will live very happily in the throat, undetected, for months or more. Some companions offer bbbjs but not to completion, or they don't swallow. Everyone makes decisions based on her assessment of the risks, including the prevalence of particular infections in her city.

 

But full service is a completely different matter. In Vancouver, it's available from a lot of street-based workers. My understanding is that it's an option in some of the Asian micro-brothels where the ladies have come in to work for a few months.

 

I don't know why people think this is safe. It makes no sense to me. But I have had prospective clients offer me two or three times my hourly rate or more to accommodate them. I'm sure that they will eventually find someone who will agree to it.

 

I work to support myself and my family. To take care of our lives. I won't put my life at risk!

[MightyPen 67414]

Am I overreacting here or is it as dangerous as I feel it is? Is it something that's more prevalent in other market/cities where competition is more fierce?

 

It's as dangerous as you think. It's a lot like a client saying to an SP, "hey, can I draw some of my blood with this needle and inject it into your veins during our session? Don't worry, I'm totally clean." It's a ridiculously stupid, reckless, and insulting thing to expect.

 

I think there are two things going on here:

 

a) the client may genuinely feel like sex with a condom just isn't the same and he really wants the full unprotected thing (and he's a complete idiot, ignorant or for some reason indifferent to the obvious risks to health and life for both involved)

 

b) the client wants to prove he can force his will past the woman's sensible boundaries; essentially proving "my money puts me in charge and you will deny me nothing I want".

 

Anyone looking for this is simply insane.

[VedaSloan 119179]

I blacklist clients who ask for this, as to me, it signals not only a disrespect for my health, but their own and potential partners as well.

[Meaghan McLeod 179664]

I always felt that those that want or demand this type of service are actually already infected, angry that they are, and want to spread it around.

 

Conversations I've had are typically "you don't know ME from a hole in the ground, you know I work in this industry, why would you think I am clean?????" I know I am clean, I get regular testing, but they don't know that. So, I go with the assumption that they are infected and stay as far away from them as possible. I am also noticing an increace in clients that don't even think they have to pay extra for this service. I should automatically give them this service because they are so special...WTF

 

I have a neighbour who was on a break from her boyfriend. She wanted to meet new guys, and would actually go see strangers, give bbbj, cim, and bbfs because in her words "it tastes so good, and I can't get pregnant". I was horrified that she seemed to think this type of behavious was not dangerous and I had to give her a lesson in STI 101. She ended up getting back with her boyfriend, and of course he found the videos she made of these various guys she was giving it away to.

 

It seems that there is a mentality out there that "I can't get it, so I will do what I want".

 

Thank you OP for starting this thread. I know many sps that really can't believe how things have changed and the pressure we feel to give services we don't want to do because if we don't we won't get clients. I say, if it means I will never see another client because I want to live to be a horny OLD woman, then at least I still have my fingers and toys and water pressure to help me out.

 

Stay safe everyone - don't do something you realize will jeapordize your life and wellness.

 

xoxo

meaghan

[Phaedrus 209521]

To the OP: no, you are not overreacting. This is as every bit as dangerous and buttfuck-stupid as it sounds.

 

Fortunately, most of the SPs around here are not stupid, and anyone even hinting at BBFS will probably get instantly blacklisted.

 

And to the guys asking for BBFS, should any of them be reading... I don't mind you killing yourselves (I consider Natural Selection and the continuous improvement of the species thereby to be a good thing), but I'd be grateful if you'd refrain from trying to kill other people too. Please and thanks.

[Cleo Catra 178382]

I blacklist clients who ask for this, as to me, it signals not only a disrespect for my health, but their own and potential partners as well.

 

Same. Asking for it, even once, ensures I will never, ever see you. That is an individual I would not feel safe being around, ever.

 

I've had people offer me ridiculous amounts of money for BBFS. My response to them is: There is nothing you can put in my wallet that is worth risking my life.

[Soleil Sublime 38108]

BBFS

 

 

I really hope to change your mind

So please listen to my plea

Rumour has it SPs from my city

Offer full service BB

 

Which means they use no condom

When letting clients 'in'

You all know in this business

That's a major mortal sin

 

We must keep one another safe

It's the only thing we've got

So by accepting this behaviour

You're worse off than I thought

 

No amount of cash you've got

Will convince me to sex bare

If you ever try and do it

I'll crush your balls I swear

 

Paid sex can't be unprotected

Your dick could get infected

So for those of us who don't

And no matter what we won't

Are the ones you need to see

To remain STD free

[robert3925 130]

I think its a big mistake to fall into the pressure to BBFS. The issues out there today with STD's, pregnancies and the impact it can have on family and friends...its not worth it. We engage with escorts, it still should be with respect to them and their bodies, mind and souls as what we want them to do the same to us in the bedroom which is to treat us with respect.

 

They are some of the sweetest people I have met who are only there to fund their education, families and their long term careers and are doing something they enjoy. It doesn't mean they should be abused in any way.

[Bushwacka 531]

Any person asking for or offering BBFS is insane and is a threat to us all. Blacklist them.

:vf:

 

As a hobbyist, I am really glad to see our SPs here come out so overwhelmingly against the stupid idea.

:ThankYou:

[dantan69 162]

Well said Phaedrus could not have done any better. buttfuck braindead stupid!!!!!

[AndyofHalifax 15339]

The so called "patient zero" of the AIDS epidemic was a French Canadian flight attendant, who, despite knowing he was infected, slept with thousands of people with no protection.

 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ga%C3%ABtan_Dugas#section_4

 

Anyone doing BBFS is basically playing Russian Roulette with awful diseases instead of bullets.

[LeeRichards 177238]

Any person asking for or offering BBFS is insane and is a threat to us all. Blacklist them.

:vf:

 

As a hobbyist, I am really glad to see our SPs here come out so overwhelmingly against the stupid idea.

:ThankYou:

 

Absolutely ! For those fellas new to hobbying or need a refresher....a thread like this tells exactly where to start when you want to meet amazing women and be as safe as you can ! It's unfortunate that it even is an issue but there are some invincible fellas out there that seem to want to play with other peoples well being.

 

Beware, be smart, be safe and we all live happy, healthy and horny lives ;)

[Goombata72 1556]

I have only been BB with one lady. She was my wife. We where together for 10 years and this April it would have made 11 years. She decided to start dating some guy while we where still married and I found out in October that she was with him from February of 2012. After I found out I went and got checked it was the worst feeling to know that she cheated on me and with all these other STD's around I wasn't sure. I would not wish that feeling on anyone. Yes, I am clean and I always have condoms with me when going out. You never know what luck you may have. I have had enough bad luck to last me a life time. The last thing I want/need is to catch something that I know can and will destroy my life.

 

 

 

If you're not going to sack it, go home and whack it.

[Alyssa Staxxx 4412]

Unfortunately, BBBJ's are just as scary and equally unsafe if STD contraction and transmission is a concern...Russian Roulette is being played on a daily basis...and the viruses are spread just as quickly orally, if not faster once infected...so please think about playing completely safe, not just halfway.... http://std.about.com/od/riskfactorsforstds/a/oralsexsafesex.htm

[Meaghan McLeod 179664]

Thanks Alyssa, very good info on the specifics... Appreciated!

[GHT 798]

Me too, I black listed a lady who subtley offered BBFS. Too much risk for me.

 

 

 

I blacklist clients who ask for this, as to me, it signals not only a disrespect for my health, but their own and potential partners as well.

[Guest S**a*Q]

I think it's funny that they always say "Well I'm clean..."

 

Aside from the STD issues...

 

DO THEY NOT REALIZE THAT THIS IS WHERE BABIES COME FROM???

 

Haha, the next time someone asks for BBFS and says they're clean, I'll respond with "I'm highly fertile."

[Ashley Ann 75247]

I have been in this business on and off for almost 2 decades ( almost) ;)

 

When I first stared out, a BBBJ was unheard of and very much looked down upon by other sp`s. I am not trying to be disrespectful, but in the early to mid 90`s, those who did provide bbbj-were ladies who usually were in this business strictly for a crack fix. I am sure not all ladies who did provide bbbj back then were, but the ones me and my other sp friends knew of were in fact hard core drug addicts.

 

Forward now to my return in 2009. It appeared that it was now the norm to provide bbbj. And the ladies who now provided them were gorgeous, sexy sp`s without any drug issues. I could not understand this-at all, because like I said the norm that I knew was to protect and do things safely.

 

A couple of years back, I came across a few hobbiests speaking about how they loved bbfs, both vaginal and ANAL...on a low class site where they are actually allowed and proud to brag about stupid shit like that.

 

Do I agree with the BBFS-hello NO!!! But at the sametime it does not surprise me either.

 

Just wanted to add that I too, take risks by allowing daty & DFK (YMMV) with clients. Before my return to this occupation in 2009, I NEVER would allow dfk and daty on me was very rare. I realized that I had to change this in order to be succesful as an sp. Especially since I had other restrictions (aside from no bbfs)

 

We are in a time where we have access to an information goldmine on the risks and how to protect ourselves, but...... people still want to take the risks because the like the way it feels.

[Guest]

When I first started I did not provide bbbj. However, due to the demand of the service I started providing bbbj. I must say that I have been heavily considering going back to covered blow jobs, due to having the knowledge of so many people providing bbfs. This is very unsettling and you would never know who partakes in bbfs and who does not. I am very upset to know that there is a whole website dedicated to bbfs. So people can partake in this ridiculous service. So for me IT IS NOT making me want to provide bbfs. It is making me want to stop providing bbbj.

[Peter Smith 808]

I recently had a SP offer BBFS. I was out of there as fast as I could move to hell with the money wasted. It ain't worth the chance. It was only money.

[livefast1098 2151]

Although I enjoy a good bbbj ... and Peachy yours was out of this world btw ;) ... I have to side with you and Vanessa on this that maybe cbj is the way to go now. I mean if bbfs is to become more prevalent ... and God let's hope it doesn't!! ... it will make the whole GFE thing a little scary, including DFK which I soooo don't want to lose.

 

BTW thanks for all the support and replies ... and especially to all you classy ladies who are helping me keep faith in the hobby!! ;)

[LeeRichards 177238]

I think it's funny that they always say "Well I'm clean..."

 

Aside from the STD issues...

 

DO THEY NOT REALIZE THAT THIS IS WHERE BABIES COME FROM???

 

Haha, the next time someone asks for BBFS and says they're clean, I'll respond with "I'm highly fertile."

 

Yes we don't want one of these conversations in a couple weeks Sara do we ;)

 

I am late !!

 

[Cleo Catra 178382]

I mean if bbfs is to become more prevalent ... and God let's hope it doesn't!! ... it will make the whole GFE thing a little scary

 

I don't think it's going to become more prevalent at all. It does exist out there, and it always has. But I personally think it becomes less and less prevalent, as many women in this business are smart, savvy, entrepreneurs, not all women who are just looking for money. It may be being talked about more now, but I don't think that in any way means it's going to become more common. As you can see from this thread already, we girls blacklist guys who want BBFS, and men will blacklist a girl who offers it. My hope is that, instead of becoming more common, these blacklistings will help to weed the BBFS morons out completely, and make it LESS prevalent, instead of more.

[Guest]

I would have to agree with you and disagree with you Cleo. I agree that bbfs has always been around and there has always been foolish people willing to partake in that. However, I don't like the fact that there's a website dedicated to bbfs. In a sense it is promoting and condoning bbfs. It is basically saying that it is okey to put your health at risk and some people buy into that. That's what makes me scared. The fact that people are okey with this. I hope you are right and this problem gets nipped in the bud due to blacklisting and such. Maybe by being proactive about this situation we can make at least some of the people who partake in this dangerous activity understand that this shit aint right.