A scary subject: BBFS

[Cleo Catra 178382]

I would have to agree with you and disagree with you Cleo. I agree that bbfs has always been around and there has always been foolish people willing to partake in that. However, I don't like the fact that there's a website dedicated to bbfs. In a sense it is promoting and condoning bbfs. It is basically saying that it is okey to put your health at risk and some people buy into that. That's what makes me scared. The fact that people are okey with this. I hope you are right and this problem gets nipped in the bud due to blacklisting and such. Maybe by being proactive about this situation we can make at least some of the people who partake in this dangerous activity understand that this shit aint right.

 

Unfortunately this isn't the first time those boards have been around. I don't think the existence of that board will make people think it's okay - instead it's there for those sick, stupid people who already think it's okay, to go on and share their twisted information. So fucked up, but the people on there have always been seeking out BBFS, and they are the people who we've probably all already blacklisted.

[Luckyme 41401]

When I first started I did not provide bbbj. However, due to the demand of the service I started providing bbbj. I must say that I have been heavily considering going back to covered blow jobs, due to having the knowledge of so many people providing bbfs. This is very unsettling and you would never know who partakes in bbfs and who does not. I am very upset to know that there is a whole website dedicated to bbfs. So people can partake in this ridiculous service. So for me IT IS NOT making me want to provide bbfs. It is making me want to stop providing bbbj.

 

Much as I like bbbj, it is certainly not a determining factor for me whether I choose to see a particular lady or not. I attach more importance to look, personality, attitude, quality of service, chemistry etc.

 

On that note, Peachy, I am certain you'll not lose too many clients if you do decide to go back to cbj. Like you, I am finding it unsettling with all these talks about bbfs ( see also the other board). Some folks seem to have a short memory in regards to the devastations and tragedies that HIV/ AIDS etc. can cause.

[Gabriella Laurence 301887]

As much as I am 100% against BBFS, I would definitely take with a grain of salt the "information" posted on there as we have no idea who it is coming from and the reason why it is being posted in the first place.

 

How easy would it be for anyone (man or woman) to post anonymously that "so and so" is offering BBFS in order to damage or destroy the lady's reputation? Too easy if you ask me.

[Ashley Ann 75247]

put my statement in my previous post ;)

[Boomer 33202]

I was offered bbfs once and was surprised by it's offer by this woman, and my response was to never see that woman again as I personally wasn't willing to take such a risk.

 

Over the years the yardsticks have changed, and what was unacceptable years ago is far more common today. There are risks with kissing, bbbj and daty, but they are commonly available today. I think the only thing you can do is do some research and find woman that satisfy your level of risk. Interesting I think access to bbfs service is more scarce today than it has ever been in the past, basically because we are so much more informed and sensible SP's realize that this an unacceptable risk.

[autowaman 110]

WOW!!! That's pretty much my thought on how people can honestly think that bbfs is just an 'option' nowadays in this industry. I just can't wrap my head around the thought.

 

On the flip side though, from what I hear from friends mainly is how quick some girls with being picked up in a bar or dating are on deleting the condoms.

 

Am I the only one to think that if we have/do find a cure for HIV, what could the next possible disease be that tries to force us to give our head a shake?

 

I am very interested in finding the site for the bbfs providers though, to make sure that I NEVER schedule an appointment with them.

[Bmoc_68 130]

My god, as good as it feels not to have a condom on it is not worthe the risk for yourself or the provider of service...way too many risks! Stay clean and be healthy and play safe!

[toklat77 4616]

My god, as good as it feels not to have a condom on it is not worthe the risk for yourself or the provider of service...way too many risks! Stay clean and be healthy and play safe!

 

 

I think it is quite unfortunate that SP's get asked this question and I also feel that they shouldn't have to perform BBBJ's either as the risks associated with it can be harmful as well. It would be great if we lived on a planet that didn't have any such thing as STD's but we don't so we have to be careful. I love women. Absolutely adore them, but I certainly don't want to harm them and put them in a dangerous situation. Life is too short. Keep safe!

[Guest d**eye***y]

bbfs is just stupid for everyone involved. people wanting to do it are just asking for it.

for one thing, even condoms do not protect fully against many types of stds. that is a fact. without a condom, well, that gets worse. I can understand that some people much prefer the feeling of it, but hey...get a girlfriend and have a relationship where you can do that. SPs are just not the place for it. bbbjs...that is completely up to debate. I suppose you could contract gonorhea or clymidia...but they would have to have it in their throat first to give it to you. Chances are if the SP has it, they wouldn't be working, and if they did, they have been treated. again though, a risk to take.

as far as hiv goes, you have about a 1 in 300 chance of contracting it, even if you are having unprotected sex with someone who is positive. it is a complex virus and does not transmit easily. and the chance of the person even having it is about 1 in 300 on top of that. that makes the chances of contracting it at one in 90,000 for one sex act. Have sex for months/years on end multiple times with that person (hiv pos) and it becomes more risky. throw in needle sharing and anal sex (particularly same sex anal sex) and your odds are higher of contracting it. blood transfusion, even higher. however, even with those odds for straight heterosexual sex, i would never go without protection with an SP...because again there are just too many other stds out there that while they are not life threatening, they have potential to make your life difficult.

[Guest T*rb***k]

This topic is a real eye opener. All it takes is just one single person who can affect/infect a multitude. I'm glad to see a united front against this horribly unsafe practice.

[silverhorns 219]

I find that the mature Sp's are much more careful in garding their health and yours as well!

[SamanthaEvans 166766]

Viruses and bacteria mutate and change--evolve--quickly compared to much more complex organisms like human bodies. Their adaptability is what makes it so difficult to wipe them out. It's also what makes it difficult to know that you're infected. It's common for someone to have gonorrhea or syphilis alive and active in their throat but producing no symptoms for them. No sore throat, no irritation, nothing that might incline them to see a doctor. They feel healthy and so they're able to spread the infection without knowing or meaning to do so.

 

Most SPs get tested regularly. But if I get tested today, the results are only a snapshot of my health status at the time the test was taken. I could harbour an infection that isn't detectable yet, but might be tomorrow or next week. However, I only get tested every 3 months, so I won't know that I'm infected until sometime in June unless I start having unpleasant symptoms of some kind.

 

If I had a dollar for every man who told me that he was "clean," I could probably retire comfortably. When I ask how they know that they're so clean, most will say that they feel fine, they have no symptoms and their wives or girfriends are symptom-free, too. Only a few will say that they've been tested recently or regularly. Too many seem to think that unless one of their partners has a full-blown infection which they must have contracted from their husband or boyfriend, they're okay. I find this cavalier treatment of intimate partners as guinea pigs for their own health status to be shocking, but it's even more troubling that it's so common.

 

People who have sex with other people should be tested regularly for STIs, in my opinion. It's not about fidelity. It's about health and safety.

 

I think we should also keep in mind that viruses and bacteria are smart. Human beings like to have sex. It follows that sexual contact is a good way to spread an infection--it's in the organism's best interests to use sexual contact as a way to proliferate. So, I expect that more things will become sexually transmissible, over time, and that we can expect crises in the future.

 

Engaging in BBFS is like playing Russian roulette.

[Meaghan McLeod 179664]

If I had a dollar for every man who told me that he was "clean," I could probably retire comfortably.

 

Actually quite comfortably. Better then winning the lottery. Thanks!

 

xoxo

[Goombata72 1556]

I have a hard enough time playing normal roulette in a casino. I never seem to win at the casinos when I play roulette. I'm guessing my odds at Russian Roulette would get me killed....

 

 

If you're not going to sack it, go home and whack it

[cat 262460]

I'm surprised that nobody has challenged this statement. BBFS would never be allowed to be advertised on this site, but BBBJ is very common, if they are both equally unsafe then why is one allowed and the other not?

 

Persistent insistance coupled with ignorance and financial survival...

 

cat

[crankF 12893]

The idea of bbfs is so silly, suicide by sex is the dumbest idea ever. NO GLOVE-NO LOVE! Wrap the little rascal.

 

I've had wonderful bj's of both varieties and I don't intend to start up that old debate, but I think it's a darn shame that some of these super ladies who give us such nice services feel financially pressured to bbbj. I know some ladies love to perform that service and more power to them, but I feel sorry for those who don't.

[Toffee 229]

Bbfs is a non responsible and selfish action.

Both giver and taker.

We all know that .

But, how about most of the porn movie . Are they try to

promote the BB action?

This is what I don't understand !

[Alyssa Staxxx 4412]

The demands placed on service providers, as stated over and over again in this thread, in private and in general, over the past 10-15 years have become increasingly outrageous, health-wise, mentally and financially...to the determent of the ladies blatantly and the industry as a whole.

 

There are a wide range of ladies in this business for an even wider range of reasons, always has been, always will be...some are forced, some have no other alternatives, some are experimenting, some have habits to support, some are trying to accomplish a goal, some have chosen this as their very respectable profession....whatever the reason, it is and should be regarded as a safe, no strings attached luxury service being offered for adequate compensation.

 

In the past ten years, the demands and expectations that the industry/clients have put on not only escorts, but exotic dancers and erotic massage providers as well, is out of control...in my opinion.

 

Dancers are expected to do more than just dance, massage attendants are expected to do more than just massage and escorts are expected to do more than just full service...no matter what a woman's limits or comfort levels are in this business, they are constantly being forced and pressured to cross the line...for much less.

 

Women have to DO more, GIVE more, BE more intimate and make LESS or starve/be shunned because there is always someone else who will do more and charge less for it...they have no other choice or simply don't care/are unaware about their safety, the integrity of the industry or the bigger picture/consequences of their actions...actions which affect everyone eventually.

 

Has anyone thought about how sad it is that a beautiful and talented woman cannot earn a living as a dancer just performing an erotic strip tease anymore? Dancers are expected to practically be an escort for $20 a song on a chair in a back room now...

 

A massage attendant cannot earn a living only providing an amazing full body massage...MAs are constantly expected and pressured to do more and be more intimate on a massage table than an escort should even have to be!

 

An escort cannot come close to earning a decent living only providing companionship and safe full service....she is expected to provide an unprecedented list of services, take extremely unhealthy risks over and over and over again on a daily basis for less than it costs most people to fill their car with gas and she is expected be completely happy about it day after day.

 

More and more very young, completely naive, inexperienced women are entering the sex industry and these are the expectations they are being faced with, they are being told/learn that this is the way it is and so this is what it has become.

 

If its not provided by one, its provided by another, for whatever reason...of course there is going to be a rise in BBFS....just as the demand for BBBJs, DFK, DATY and even GREEK, which were all completely taboo and unheard of practices years ago, are now fully expected, by the majority of clients, as services provided in a basic encounter with an escort...BBFS is not a far stretch when BBBJs and DFK/DATY are already commonplace, think about it.

 

In general, a service provider, who does not openly meet these expectations, is not considered "worth it" by the majority of clients today (extremely sad to say)...if she does not provide these options and an unheard of level of intimacy, at the drop of a hat for a ridiculously low price to boot...someone will and no one will want her eventually. So, what are her options now?

 

Everyone needs to take a hard look at what has happened in the past ten years...take a look at the alarming rise in STDs in Ottawa alone, the strength of Gonorrhea and Chlamydia, the comeback of Syphilis (transmitted/contracted orally as well, don't kid yourself)...the "unrestricted" services being demanded and provided by "non-crack addicted" service providers...why? Because its expected and financially they feel they have no choice..."supply and demand", right?

 

With all due respect to the beautiful ladies and gentlemen on this board and beyond, ask yourself, are you part of the problem or part of the solution...and in reality, which one do you really want to be?

 

BBFS is not the shocking beginning to the decline of safety in this industry its the grand finale.

[Guest Ot**w***og****n]

Like some others here who have posted on the subject, I too was offered the option of BBFS about 10 years ago by an SP with the caveat I provide her with current medical documentation to the effect I was disease-free. I declined and never saw her for the obvious reasons. I have been a client of a number of companions over the years and have seen services go from a strict no kissing, no BB anything and no DATY to what it is today. Each individual be it a client or an SP is responsible for their own health. I prefer all services be covered in that way when I go out the door I know I have mitigated the potential risks. I fully respect and support those SPs who set limitations as it pertains to their health and to that of their clients.

[The General 11309]

I always find it interesting that anytime a thread starts with BBFS, no doubt we gravitate into a discussion about all the services, and BBBJ in particular comes up.

 

Many years ago, the industry did not generally practice safe sex, but then aids came along and changed that, so it is actually safer now than it was say 30 years ago.

 

It is a choice, weighing in the issues and risks. There are industries that havecome along with high risk, such as mining where there are significant dangers to the jobs. It would seem that if the dangers are that concerning, choices can be made, and ladies should make those decisions about services, or whether it really is the right business. I just think that it is unfair to come across that the risks are hugely grave. Even covered sex has some risks, condoms break, so how far should one go is a question for each person to consider. BBFS excluded for sure, I would absolutely agree with that.

[Ashley Ann 75247]

I somewhat agree with what you are saying...but at the sametime it is very easy to say, risks are involved-to each thier own. The risks you take , should you receive a bbbj are much less than the woman who provides (5-20) bbbj`s per month. The risk is signifigantly higher. And I guess why the bbbj thing is mentioned is because it seems like we all pretend like its ok, and nothing could ever come from doing this...when the risks are real and scary. :)

 

 

I always find it interesting that anytime a thread starts with BBFS, no doubt we gravitate into a discussion about all the services, and BBBJ in particular comes up.

 

Many years ago, the industry did not generally practice safe sex, but then aids came along and changed that, so it is actually safer now than it was say 30 years ago.

 

It is a choice, weighing in the issues and risks. There are industries that havecome along with high risk, such as mining where there are significant dangers to the jobs. It would seem that if the dangers are that concerning, choices can be made, and ladies should make those decisions about services, or whether it really is the right business. I just think that it is unfair to come across that the risks are hugely grave. Even covered sex has some risks, condoms break, so how far should one go is a question for each person to consider. BBFS excluded for sure, I would absolutely agree with that.

[MightyPen 67414]

Many years ago, the industry did not generally practice safe sex, but then aids came along and changed that, so it is actually safer now than it was say 30 years ago.

I think that any time the condom comes off, the uncovered act that follows is exactly as unsafe as it was 30 years ago. You're diving "head-first" into one big pool of shared particles populated by your SP and all of her clients, and all of their partners, and all of yours. There's no getting around that.

 

That's compounded by the recent (and inevitable) rise of antibiotic-resistant strains of STDs in the news. It's not just AIDS that can change your life forever.

[peter57ja 220]

I agree with you fully Vanessa.

BBFS, BBBJ, uncovered DATY, and even DFK are all very risky to a varying degree from an STD point of view.

The safest practice is to avoid all of these.

 

Peter

[SamanthaEvans 166766]

It appears that everyone agrees that BBFS = BBBJ, ie the risks are the same.

 

If you agree with this, and I do not, why is one accepted on this board and the other is not?

 

I honestly believe if BBFS started to be acceptable on this board most of you would cease to be a member immediately, but you appear to be ok with BBBJ's.

 

I think if you want to have a responsible talk about sex practices using facts is better than spreading fear.

 

Good point. The question is whether a BBBJ is as dangerous as BBFS. The simple answer is "probably not." But like many simple answers, that is actually misleading. A better question is, For whom is a BBBJ dangerous? The answer is it's most dangerous for the receptive partner--for the person who is performing the act.

 

Have a look at this Sexually Transmitted Infection Risk Chart. The person who receives oral sex is less likely to contract an STI than the one who performs it. The performer is at higher risk of being infected with HIV/AIDS, chlamydia, gonorrhea and syphilis than the one who receives it. The chart doesn't include other infections that are transmissible during oral sex like herpes, human pampilloma virus (HPV) and some forms of hepatitis. These are also serious diseases, but unlike HIV/AIDS, chlamydia, gonorrhea and syphilis, there are no laws requiring medical practitioners to report the infections.

 

In simple language, if I perform a BBBJ on a man, the risk is greater for me than it is for him. If he has one of these STIs, I may be infected. If I have one of them, he has a lower risk of getting it from me.

 

We might ask why there's a difference. Basically, many of us have tiny lesions in our mouths, caused by tooth brushing, flossing, reactions to foods or medications and minor injuries. Those lesions are an excellent entry-point for infection. Add to this the potential for minor injury caused by vigorous thrusting or an awkward angle. I've been part of a discussion with other ladies here about accommodating larger penises orally, about having sore throats or feeling that our lips and mouths have been uncomfortably stretched after performing oral sex.

 

To sum it up, BBBJs are risky for paid companions and other people who provide them. The risk for clients and those who receive them is lower.

 

I think that any time the condom comes off, the uncovered act that follows is exactly as unsafe as it was 30 years ago. You're diving "head-first" into one big pool of shared particles populated by your SP and all of her clients, and all of their partners, and all of yours. There's no getting around that.

 

This is misleading, MP. If the condom breaks or comes off, you're not coming into contact with all of my clients and everyone's various partners, but only with those people with whom I have engaged in unprotected sexual activities. Everyone else has been "contained."

 

However, condoms don't protect anyone against everything! For example, syphilis, herpes and HPV are spread via skin-to-skin contact as well as by penetrative sexual activities. Herpes usually produces sores, but can also be shed when no sores are present. In its second stage, syphilis produces a rash on the hands, the soles of the feet or all over the body. Contact with this rash is an infection risk. HPV (genital warts and in its other forms) may or may not produce any sores but can still be contagious.

 

Many STIs are treatable with antibiotics. The difficulty is that many of them produce no symptoms, so infected people don't know that they're infected. We've had a classified syphilis epidemic in Vancouver since the mid-1990s and the form of syphilis here has not produced symptoms in most people.

 

HIV/AIDS is not treatable with antibiotics, but there are anti-retroviral drugs that seem to be effective in managing the illness for many people. Unfortunately, not everyone can tolerate these medications. Also, there's evidence that HIV/AIDS affects women differently than men in many cases.

 

Last summer, the prevalence of an antibiotic-resistant form of gonorrhea was announced. Only one drug was effective against this strain. By December, no antibiotics were effective in treating patients who were diagnosed in Toronto, as reported in the Journal of the American Medical Association in January.

 

Why do paid companions continue to provide BBBJs? Cat said,

Persistent insistance coupled with ignorance and financial survival...

cat

 

This is extremely important and should not be dismissed lightly or out of hand! Many companions are not aware of the risks of infection. Many who are accept the reality of statistical risk and choose to be zealous about being tested very frequently. They offer the activity because they need to make a living, pure and simple, and there are an enormous number of men who insist on receiving it.

 

I don't offer BBBJs, but I do allow DATY. Many of my clients find oral sex to be less than satisfying because they have erectile or ejaculatory problems. But if I refused to permit DATY, or if I insisted on using barriers, such as dental dams, I would need to find another line of work. To be brutally honest, I'm a paid companion because nothing else I do can support my family above the poverty line.

 

I would be thrilled if there was no pressure to provide BBBJs. I think that the gentlemen on this board could do a great deal about this, though much as I care for most here, I am under no illusions that it will happen. Stop asking for BBBJs and start telling other men of the risks associated with them. Help reduce the demand!

 

Classify bareback contact as "husband and wife sex" and not part of the "girlfriend experience."

 

The last thing I want to point out is that most men are never tested for STIs! Unless you are being tested every 3-6 months, it's my respectful opinion that you have little right to talk about sexual health risks or to give advice to anyone about the level of risk they should tolerate. Everyone who has any kind of sexual contact with another human being should be tested regularly. If you don't want to ask your doctor to do the tests, there are clinics near you where you can be tested. Go!

[Guest d**eye***y]

I would guess that practically everyone in porn has or has had an std. at least one of the common ones. if you are a regular joe, you have about a 1 in 5 chance for herpes with unprotected sex. About one in 15 for chylamidia etc.

Hiv again is another story. there is very little of it in the porn industry strangely enough, because again it is hard to transmit (via heterosexual sex), and really not that common in the hetero/anglosaxon world. And the odd dude who has contracted it 'heterosexually' is probably lying because he decided to experiment with gay sex but it was easier to blame it on the hot escort or random he picked up at the bar. Again, i am not saying dont worry about it, but you have a much higher chance of getting a meat and potatoes std, or the girl pregnant, than the std that everyone on the planet has been taught to be comletely petrified of.

I think the odds actually are closer to 1 in 1000. Probably why it took majic johnson slam dunking his way through 2,500 women before he contracted it. Consider celebrities such as huge heffner, warren beatty...and others...these guys have self-admittedly bagged hundreds if not thousands of women. Yet no HIV. you would have heard of lawsuits etc etc if this kind of thing happened.

Anyway, back to BBFS...it is still just stupid, because you will get something eventually (hpv, herpes, cl, gon, hep etc)....some of which are completely treatable and curable and somewhat 'harmless' compared to the big one, but do you want any of these things? A lot of men engaging in the company are not single, they are attached. I am guessing the ones who insist on bareback are the single ones, and the ones you really have to worry about.

 

btw there have been probably next to 0 documented cases of hiv via oral (and the one suspected case was probably due to the needle sharing afterwards), including cunnilingus, and if you look into the other ones via oral, they are also not common at all...people talk about transmission of these via oral in a theoretical sense...rather than based on how many cases they see. the grand majority of stds will come from penetration sex, without condom. Guys have it easier than women for transfer rate, but women show less symptoms. Sorry to say, if you are on this board you probably already have hpv or will at some point in the near future.

 

Bbfs is a non responsible and selfish action.

Both giver and taker.

We all know that .

But, how about most of the porn movie . Are they try to

promote the BB action?

This is what I don't understand !

 

Additional Comments:

I am not condoning the practice of bbbj, but again the mouth is so chalked full of bacteria that will kill anything that enters it, including yes hiv.

Now if your gums are bleeding like crazy or her gums are bleeding or she is on her period (chances are you are not down there with you mouth if she is), cuts, etc etc...it is risky, but straight bbbj for stds is low on the list for contraction.

If he were to ejaculate in your mouth, there would be a slightly higher chance, but again given the nature of the biology of the mouth and stomach, the std would have little chance of living or place to go.

STD remember rely a lot on friction for transmission. A bj with a good amount of saliva thwarts with from the friction standpoint and the fact that saliva again is chalked full of bacteria that kills bad stuff.

 

 

Persistent insistance coupled with ignorance and financial survival...

 

cat