What kind of Men Go To Prostitutes?

[IamaGeek 3664]

I found this article referenced on another board and found it interesting and perhaps slightly encouraging.

 

I think it makes for interesting reading.

 

http://www.livescience.com/28169-men-who-use-prostitutes.html

[Wolf Knight 29667]

Well as least I'm not psychologically deficient, I can sctatch that off the list of things that might be wrong with me. :)

[Tallguy007 4172]

He he he

When I first saw the title, I thought this was going to be a poll.

[Jabba 18389]

A few passages in the article really concerned me:

 

"A small-scale study presented in 2011 by the nonprofit Prostitution Research & Education, based in San Francisco, compared 101 men who had bought sex with 100 men with similar age, race and education level who had not. The sex-buying men were recruited through ads in newspapers and on ----------, and they were more likely than non-sex-buyers to have a prior criminal history, to say they would commit rape if they could get away with it and to have coerced non-prostitute sex partners into sex."

 

The article got a little vague after that statement & didn't go into any supporting detail. Weird. It was like reading a People magazine article. Dumbed-down and just able to keep your attention long enough for the average time it take to have a crap. Maybe the reason the Johns have a criminal history is 'cuz they were nicked for soliciting the services of a prostitute?

 

On the up-side, it did get me to ponder about the usefulness of John School (clarification: not that I've ever been to one).

[IamaGeek 3664]

Hi Jabba,

 

It is definitely a summary of the findings and comparison to other studies - nothing too in-depth here.

 

However, what I found encouraging was the fact that a distinction between different sorts of "clients" was recognized. That is, we are not either just multi-millionaire sports figures on one hand or desperate criminals on the other. I was also pleased to see some acceptance of the possibility that men who pay for sex are not all psychologically damaged or dangerous in some way. Not all of us, anyway.

[igab 5629]

I don't think the study was all that accurate. There was also an underlying tone of judgement in the whole thing. It's still a hobby that carries a huge stigma and not many folks are going to readily fess up methinks.

[Passiveelect 407]

Well- on a basic level, of course hobbiests are more likely to have a criminal history- Since this is an article about men in the US, and prostitution is illegal here (I am posting from the US), such logically follows. That we have such laws in my nation embarrasses me a bit, but I see the statement as a tautology.

[Phaedrus 209521]

A few passages in the article really concerned me:

 

"A small-scale study presented in 2011 by the nonprofit Prostitution Research & Education, based in San Francisco, compared 101 men who had bought sex with 100 men with similar age, race and education level who had not. The sex-buying men were recruited through ads in newspapers and on ----------, and they were more likely than non-sex-buyers to have a prior criminal history, to say they would commit rape if they could get away with it and to have coerced non-prostitute sex partners into sex."

 

The article got a little vague after that statement & didn't go into any supporting detail.

 

Damn right it didn't go into supporting detail! To be honest, with a sample size that small you really can't go into supporting anything, because you can't support anything at all - especially when you're dealing with fundamentally small populations such as people "who would commit rape if they could get away with it". So there was one of those in one bucket, and none in another? Maybe one and two? That means NOTHING, and anyone who has even the slightest clue about statistics will see through this in a heartbeat. Ditto everything else mentioned in this worthless pile of crap of an article.

 

Which is depressing.

 

What's even more depressing is that I can't even work out whether the "journalist" who wrote this has an agenda or not. She doesn't seem competent enough to have even formed an opinion of her own on the subject, never mind got to the point of trying to convince anyone else. That's not "objectivity"; that's "too stupid to survive unsupervised".

[IamaGeek 3664]

a few things.

 

First of all, I am not going to go out on a limb to defend this study because I don't have enough information to do so.

 

However, I will point out that the portion of the article that most have objected to is the second study mentioned in a single paragraph. This is the "small-scale study" with the less than savoury conclusion and was just presented to contrast with the rather more benign results of the main study mentioned in the rest of the article. If you go back and read the article and just omit that one paragraph you will see that the tone of the article suggests that men who visit prostitutes are "normal". It also suggests that men who frequent boards such as this one skew towards more educated and more affluent.

 

Just to clarify.

[neebleton 2940]

Prostitution Research & Education posts this on their front page:

 

(Prostitution is One Form of Violence Against Women)

 

Starting from such an ideology, I'd wonder about anything they publish.

 

Also, they're associated with Melissa Farley, who gets absolutely skewered in this article:

http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2011/07/24/a-load-of-farley/

[Sweet Emily J 172062]

On the topic of what "kind" of men pay for sex, this might be of interest to some, posted right here on CERB:

 

http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=124755

 

"We believe that the generalizations that groups seeking the abolition of prostitution make about the attitudes, beliefs and behaviours of ALL people who pay for sexual services in Canada are based on moral convictions and speculation as opposed to actual evidence.

 

In our ongoing effort to present a more complete and accurate picture of the diversity of attitudes, beliefs and experiences of people who have paid for sexual services in Canada we are inviting you to be a part of the largest and most ambitious study of Canada's sex industry undertaken to date. The Sex, Safety and Security Study, which is part of a larger research initiative funded the Canadian Institutes for Health Research (CIHR), seeks to provide a safe, secure and nonjudgmental environment for people who have purchased sexual services to have your voices heard and respected and the details of your experiences acknowledged."

[IamaGeek 3664]

Prostitution Research & Education posts this on their front page:

 

(Prostitution is One Form of Violence Against Women)

 

Starting from such an ideology, I'd wonder about anything they publish.

 

Also, they're associated with Melissa Farley, who gets absolutely skewered in this article:

http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2011/07/24/a-load-of-farley/

 

Absolutely right Neebleton. This is why their work is used to contrast with the main study outlined in the article which suggests that none of these pre-conceived notions are true.

[roamingguy 300292]

Well- on a basic level, of course hobbiests are more likely to have a criminal history- Since this is an article about men in the US, and prostitution is illegal here (I am posting from the US), such logically follows. That we have such laws in my nation embarrasses me a bit, but I see the statement as a tautology.

 

Sorry to disagree here, but first up in Canada, prostitution is legal so how can one say hobbiests are more likely to have a criminal history?

To further add, legalistically speaking unless you have been at least charged and at the most convicted of a criminal offence, you have no criminal history. In other words, unless brought before the criminal justice system you have no criminal history, for it is the criminal justice system that in part keeps a record of someone's criminal history, if indeed you have one.

Just my opinion, coming from a hobbiest (I cringe using that term, how can intimate interpersonal relations be construed as a hobby, stamp collecting is a hobby...but I digress) who not only has no criminal record, but who's career is in a law enforcement field

RG

[Royalfun 55449]

On this topic, I'm always surprised to see that we try to find an explanation or a categorization as if it would secure our perception of the world of sex.

 

Prostitution have always been a reality of all society, and the social reaction and the laws have often been determined by the dominant ideology or the religion.

 

And,as the article that started this thread shows, the social reaction in the US is coherent in some ways with their system of values. At the same time, the Americans are in a paradox: they seems to be scandalized by a starlett (Janet Jackson) that has shown a tip of her tits(did she, really?) and make a big fuzz of it, and at the same time the porn industry in the US is a multi billions dollars business; somebody somewhere in the states are buyers, no? And all of those buyers are regular people, no? As always some people abuse of it, and many don't. Like everything in life. The analysis on prostitution has to consider this paradox and the bias that follows.

 

Who are the men that go to prostitutes?, well my answer is the same as the women that offers their services: there are people that want to be happy, to succeed in life, to raise their children, to find a balance in their lives, to try to do their best, people that are not perfect, that lie, that cheat, etc. People that reflects the society we live in.

 

The rules of society evolve with the way we live together. In the 1970's, in Montreal, there was a police raid at the Place des Arts (the most respected scene in Montreal) to arrest the African Ballet that presented a production of traditional dances ! Why? because the breasts of the dancers were moving and it was considered indecent!!!

Today, you can go in any strip bar in Montreal and have contact dances, isn't?

 

Society evolve, and the men and women evolve also. As the SPs, and hobbiests.

[CristyCurves 169032]

My opinion as to what type of men go to prostitutes are the type that can afford to

the type that seek a relationship that is fulfilling in many ways but with no strings

men who are open, mature and understand theirs and others sexuality and are liberal about it

men who love variety but want to be discreet about it

men that know how to have fun!!

A man I once dated, sadly to say, had told me he would never "pay for it", he didn't have to as he thought himself to be attractive, he was educated and held a very good job. Thankfully he is on the side of the don't pay males, lol. As all the men I've met so far are also very attractive hold good jobs and are also educated, very educated in some cases. It's sad to think that there still are some jerks who think those that pay do so because they have no other options.

[Passiveelect 407]

Sorry to disagree here, but first up in Canada, prostitution is legal so how can one say hobbiests are more likely to have a criminal history?

=RG

 

Of course, you can't in Canada! But the article was citing US men, where for a large majority of the population, it is illegal. (to be precise, Prostitution has been legal in portions of 5 of 435 congressional districts, over the course of the last 10 years. Not too much of the US population lives in such a place)

What they say has no meaning unless they are claiming that there is a higher rate of crime unrelated to prostitution. Otherwise all you are saying is that somebody got caught doing what they have already admitted in the survey to doing!

 

What I am trying to say is that the whole thing is ridiculous. To bring up an argument heard in the US a lot, Pot smokers have higher criminal records, therefore pot should remain illegal. Of course pot smokers do when pot smoking is illegal in the US! That is a meaningless fact unless they have a higher criminal record for crimes other than smoking pot.

 

I personally find laws against both to be ridiculous.

[Guest Miss Jane TG]

The answer is normal men are the ones that go to see a prostitute.

This is the oldest profession! It was a creature of necessity. We have created an ideal model for men that is not existent in reality given their inherent bio-psychology. Lets flip the coin and see why the majority of male prostitutes fail in the industry. The answer is very simple:

 

a) Women are naturally different bio-psychologically to create the necessary demand.

b) Men who are interested in male escorts are few to create the necessary demand.

 

The dilemma really stems from the fact that each gender expect the opposite one to behave in the same way!

[1963Kennedy 10698]

I always thought it was horney ones.

[dountoothers 314]

Prostitution Research & Education posts this on their front page:

 

(Prostitution is One Form of Violence Against Women)

 

Starting from such an ideology, I'd wonder about anything they publish.

 

Also, they're associated with Melissa Farley, who gets absolutely skewered in this article:

http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2011/07/24/a-load-of-farley/

 

I would like to make note that when they say prostitution is a form of violence against women they are discussing the side of this industry where the women who aren't choosing to do this cerb is a wonderful site where the majority of women are independent service providers and are for the most part on a different end of the quality scale than what you would see on a city street somewhere. I think the reason people enjoy cerb is because they get to know the woman they are going to be meeting for an intimate encounter. They like to know that the person they are going to be meeting isnt being forced to do this, and that they are choosing to do whatever is discussed on their own free will.

There is a very cruel stereotype that prostitutes in general are pimped and addicts dirty and low class. People think that the only way a woman would do this is if someone is forcing them to do so. So I do enjoy the fact that as a community/discussion board the hobbyist can gather the information to reassure himself that the lady he chooses is a well established and willing participant in what is decided.

We do have to remember that although not everyone is forced to do this there are women who do not choose this and are not willing. I think as a client you have a moral obligation to do your research to ensure that the lady is willing. Sometimes a cheaper encounter is a lot more appealing, but for whatever reason you choose to hobby the key reminder is that what we provide for you should always be respected and appreciated and valued. Just because you pay doesn't mean you own , and always value the service that is provided.

[Lara Belle 561]

This is an interesting article.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/men-buy-sex-for-many-reasons--as-a-sex-worker-i-can-tell-you-they-dont-deserve-to-be-criminalised-8562185.html

 

Lara xxx