Not sure about going forward with these new services.

[Guest]

So I was thinking about adding some activities to my services but I'm not really sure if I can do activities with clients due to legal issues. If one of my clients injure themselves with me, I don't have insurance to cover these kind of things. So I'm looking to see what you guys think about advertising activities and is there anything I need to know before providing these services for example wavers, ect, ect? I just want to spice things up a bit and provide some exciting new things. Anyone know anything about the procedures of doing this. For example if I wanted to advertise yoga and running with clients.

 

Another piece of information is that I'm not a trainer. I just want to spice things up and add some things I love to my sessions(another reason why this might not work). Is it better to say that being active can be an option instead of advertising actual activities?

[drlove 37204]

I think it's a great idea... you could offer some suggestions on your website, and/or have clients come up with their own ideas. The only stipulation here is that you should consult with your lawyer to have a waiver drawn up, which clients will have to sign before partaking. That way, everyone is aware of the expectations, and you're insulating yourself from potential lawsuits etc..

[EmilyRushton 253372]

Its a great idea, there is more to companionship and an encounter than intimacy and sometimes people need ideas put in front of them. It is some excellent to add to what is already available and you will probably attract some new clients from it.

 

Im not sure what type of social activities you are interested in offering, but unless it is some extreme sport or bull running I cant understand what you would be thinking about requiring insurance? If you and I go bungee jumping and I get hurt, are you responsible for my actions, not at all.

Your responsible when your client leaves drunk after a few drinks and drives and causes an accident.

 

How you worded the being active was great and I highly doubt anyone wishing to be active with you would have an issue with you not being a trainer as long as your upfront with it.

[Hector17 9215]

I am very into Hot Yoga lately and the Sps I see are also into it. In fact we have met (carefully) at a studio the odd time for practice, and it definitely creates a connection that goes beyond just the "romp/rendezvous" relationship. It's fun and healthy. I am assuming you plan to incorporate the activity with the rendez vous right at your spot? Sometimes there is dancing in our vists (waltzing and jiving) in various states of dress. Personally, I find it fun to enjoy these fun things vs having a complete focus on the "other" great parts.

[Meaghan McLeod 179664]

Im not sure what type of social activities you are interested in offering, but unless it is some extreme sport or bull running I cant understand what you would be thinking about requiring insurance? If you and I go bungee jumping and I get hurt, are you responsible for my actions, not at all.

 

There is a difference between 2 friends going bungee jumping and someone getting hurt. As a friend, you are not charging them to go bungee jumping. However, if as a client, you are charging them a fee and you are going bungee jumping, and they get hurt, you are open to the possibility of being sued. So, it is best if you are going to be doing activities that have a potential for injury, get a waiver. Even is someone does sue you and they loose, you still end up paying a small fortune to protect any asset you might have.

 

In this business, there is always the potential a client has a heart attack during a session. Unless you were doing something that clearly shows you are negligent in your actions (like cutting off their breathing tube), you are not likely to have someone sue you, however, they can sue you, so you always have to think of the possibility of being sued. Will they be successful? Probably not, but again, who wants to go through that?

 

Just my two cents.

[andflemcol 3975]

First of all, I am not a lawyer.

 

Maybe in your ad, you could ask the question. How would you like to spend your time with me? Or, what would you like to with our time together? Of course you will have many reco's that have described some of the activities you have enjoyed with some clients in the past. That will put the ball in the clients hands without you offering this or that kind of activity.

 

Your ad could also say that clients should have the physical capacity to engage in any activity they do engage in at any time.

 

Anyway...my initial thoughts for what it's worth.

 

P.S. It is a shame that we have to so careful in arranging some of life's little pleasures.

[aimtoplease1 1839]

I'm not sure but a business where there are no receipts & only cash transactions I can't see any way to prove your not just friends.

[mod 135639]

This post was brought to my attention cause in a way this could be considered advertising (but it also is a discussion if worded better!).

TIP: When posting stuff like this it's best to avoid saying stuff like "I was thinking about adding" when you post this way it becomes self promotion (and you can not advertise outside the advertising area). It would be best to say "if a lady wanted to add services like personal training or yoga...." allowing the conversation without the personal advertising element.

 

Now, with that said here is a interesting thing I was told about wavers in Ontario (Probably all of Canada) but apparently wavers can actually work against the person who is requesting the wavers be signed. The courts apparently see this as "You know this activity could cause body harm" and becomes a admittance making you guilty and liable if someone gets injured. The wavers apparently do not protect the person/company (but because we watch so much USA tv it does act as a deterrent cause in the USA the wavers actually do protect the person/company from much legal action as we just assume the laws are the same here). Also as far as I know you do not need to have any certification to be a yoga instructor or personal trainner but it would be smart to get some LIABILITY insurance (ANYONE TRAINING or ANYONE who allows public into home or work SHOULD DO THIS). It covers you if someone slips and falls or whatever the case may be.... and it's not that expensive!

 

A few years ago I helped a friend set up a store and I think it was like 56.00 a month for 2 million liability insurance (or something crazy like that). Probably a really smart thing to look into - especially if you own any assets (house, car, etc... or plan to in the future).

 

That's my 2cents... and please again when posting avoid self promotion / advertising outside the announcements area. thanks.

[roamingguy 300292]

I think the key here is you as a client are only paying the lady for her time...whatever happens during that time is between two consenting adults

If client has a heart attack is the lady liable

If client's marriage breaks up is the lady liable

If the client drives a way to see a lady and gets in an accident is the lady liable

and we could go on

Bottom line, and just my opinion, a lady and gentleman are merely partners for a set time. The lady unless offering her time as a paid exercise instructor, shouldn't be liable. And professional companions aren't sought out as exercise instructors for example, they are merely offering their companionship. But what happens during a date is private and not contracted for

I won't address bungee jumping though since I've been given skydiving instructions

by a very special lady already...bungee jumping just seems boring in comparisson

Read my reco in Kingston recommendations...but I digress :-)

RG

[canuckhooker 19203]

So does this mean we are going to start seeing ads for Peachy's Boot Camp?

[Guest]

You are right Mod. I'm sorry if I offended anyone with this thread.

 

Great advice mod. I guess any incall escort should really be thinking about LIABILITY insurance. As things get 100% legal and out of the grey zone, I can see licenses being issued for escorts, std testing and things like liability insurance being mandatory.

[Guest]

So does this mean we are going to start seeing ads for Peachy's Boot Camp?

LOL, that has a good ring to it but I'm more interested in the bull running, now.

[roamingguy 300292]

LOL, that has a good ring to it but I'm more interested in the bull running, now.

 

Next election campaign there will be a lot of bull running LOL

Sorry, couldn't resist

RG

[Fresh start 17467]

I'm no lawyer, but when you do activities like bungee jumping or skydiving you go to a place were you can do this safely and have instructors. Where the place make you sign a waiver. So unless you're bungee jumping from your balcony and you're providing equipment and safety instruction I don't think you're liable. Same if you go to a gym. I guess you just need to be clear on what you're providing which is accompanying someone in these activities not training them.

This is just the way I see it.

[SamanthaEvans 166766]

Peachy, the activities I offer, or am invited to partake in, generally run along the lines of lunch or dinner, going to the theatre, a private party, gallery opening, book or poetry reading. I charge social rates for these events. I am also willing to go to dungeons and to kinky events, assuming that the prospective client meets my screening requirements, and my fees are significantly higher then. In those cases, the dungeon or event hosts have insurance that covers participants and in some places we'd need to sign waivers, accepting that there's a risk of injury for which the management is not responsible.

 

I have third party liability insurance for my home which should take care of anyone being injured if, say, there's a fire or someone trips on a carpet and falls down.

 

I think that for most activities, you don't need to worry. You're just two people who are doing something together, like playing tennis or jogging. You're not assuming extraordinary responsibility for your client or representing yourself as someone who has particular expertise upon which the client can depend.

 

If you're really worried about something, though, check with a lawyer.

[mod 135639]

Liability insurance is not mandatory for business (most landlords in commercial space will require it however) it just makes sense to have it.

 

If they legalize the profession (decriminalize it fully) or even just remove the living off the avails and common bawdy house laws you will see municipalities all making new laws to enforce the industry and regulate it. Right now they are not able to do that legally! You will see set hours, location restrictions, advertising restrictions, drug tests, std tests, log book requirements, etc....etc... it will be up to the municipalities and you can ensure any conservative community will go to the extreme and make it next to impossible to operate without the legal bounds without having the challenge the bylaw's.... I think the municipalities by-laws will be FAR worse then the current laws. At least it takes the criminal element out of it as municipality by-laws do not include any jail time if you break them but they will just force it to stay underground and I really can't see it improving. Others will argue back and forth but we wont' really know till (and if) it happens. Until then... enjoy what we have now. (I suspect people will look back and say it was better then)

[mhzq88 140]

i like your idea of new activities.. that you really want to have fun..

[oldblueeyez 15475]

You could keep the two activities separate and distinct.

Keep SPing as you currently do, and then set up legal

small sole proprietorship as perhaps a "Whatever Consultant"

and run it in a proper manner with insurance, waiver, bookkeeping,

etc. The two enterprises would be billed separately.

 

Just my 5 cents.

[cyclo 30131]

I think it's a great idea Peachy and I'm sure there's a market for this type of service. Being physically active together is a great way to interact socially and have a shared experience. Plus you get the endorphins going and there's always the post workout shower to look forward to :-) Just as in real dating life, not everyone wants to have a talking heads date. It's one of the reasons for the growth of co-ed recreation clubs that get together and play volleyball, softball or go skiing and cycling etc.

 

I see your proposed service as a variation on the GFE date. GFE service is always about more than just the bedroom activities so appointments which include physical activities which you and the client enjoy are consistent with GFE service. Personally I've discussed going skiing with a couple of sp's and the only reason it hasn't happened is that the logistics for skiing, travel and scheduling are a little more difficult than saying "Hey, let's go for a run" or "Let's go zip lining."

 

I don't have anything knowledgable to say about the legal/liability question.

[Eric Northman 16522]

I expect a standard waiver would be sufficient for your purposes. If you look at any of the sports organizations around town (Ottawa Sport Plus, Ottawa Sport and Social Club, etc.) they all have waivers for sports activities. Basically you sign to absolve the activity provider of any liability for injury or whatever.

[Luckyme 41401]

I think to add some extra activities to your existing services is a splendid idea, Peachy. If we look at your ad. of 04-09-2013, entitled " Exxxtremely Peachy..", you have stated your intention very eloquently already.

 

My thinking is - since you are not providing any type of training, or teaching in a class setting, a trainer certificate is definitely not required. These activities are going to be enjoyed by two consenting adults ( as RG pointed out), I really do not believe you need any waiver because you both are not in a signed contract type of agreement in taking part in these activities. To me, these activities are really not much different from having a meal in a restaurant, or being on a Carribean vacation with your client. A client could have a heart attack in a restaurant as well, and I don't think anybody in his right mind is going to say you are responsible.

 

As someone who had had the privilege of enjoying your company in x-c skiing, ice-skating, and even some martial art training in both your incall and my outcall places, it had never ever crossed my mind thinking that you were responsible if I had sustained an injury. Of course, as a responsible adult, I should know my limit and not attempt to run a marathon with you! lol. Even then, there's no way that you are responsible if I do run and have a heart attack.

 

That being said, I agree totally with the mod, you and SamathaEvens that liability insurance for your incall place is definitely required in case someone slips and hurts himself in your shower, or worse, falls off your bed and break something, lol. This liability insurance could be easily obtained as part of your insurance for your apartment and at a minimal cost.

 

Good luck, Peachy!

[Nicolette Vaughn 294340]

My advice would be to get liability insurance. I ran a business from my home and it was very easy to do through my insurance agent.

 

It's one thing to be an SP and get injured. I was with a client when they had a heart attack but I was on an outcall and I took all measures to ensure that he got the help he needed. This included CPR administered by me, calling 9-1-1 and also the front desk staff to come up to the room. It is another thing to offer certain activities still being an SP and someone getting injured.

 

I would really look into the insurance as it's better to be safe than sorry. Many guys who frequent SPs may not want to admit being with an escort even if they were injured but all it takes is one person. All they have to say is it happened on your property through your business services.