Best ofs

[PistolPete 61421]

It is what it is, I use to post in a lot of those threads, and years back there was threads of the "SUNSHINE GIRL" (newspaper) hottie of the day.

 

We can view the photo's,polls or simply move on, I chose the latter lately. Personally I like reading the Sun then flip at the Sunshine girl. I think they do it also from a marketing point of view, and if the subscriber finds it distasteful, well they can buy the Ottawa Citizen, it certainly does not hurt the marketing (views and pages) here on this board. It is in all good taste and fun the "best of " threads I see no harm no foul.

 

Like I said, it is what it is, I rather comment on albums of beautiful women we have here on Cerb.

 

I find it for myself much more realistic as I just might get to meet some these beautiful ladies of Cerb SO we both can have the real fun, hence the reasons why we are here.

[Claire Heavens 51771]

Next thing Ya know People will be asking to remove the recommendation section on CERB to avoid hurt feelings.....

 

I understand the point- but its all judgement- we ALL judge and Compare and Market and have views and opinions and they can Clash...But...I wouldnt let this bother you so much- its not worth your effort or energy is it? It does not affect your position in the industry or change the ways of life on a day to day basis. Again- I say- Live and Let Live. ;)

[Areez 11906]

De-ja-vu all over again... Im sure this has been discussed far and wide before...

 

My nickel thought, yes they get more expensive cause penny is slowly going.

[Cato 160314]

@ PistolPete: Thanks for your helpful post, Pete! I too enjoy real way more than imaginary beauty, but imaginary has its place too. I love sexy pics and porn and strip clubs. I don't consider them a distraction but more like a prelude to other things that we all love, the reason why we're here.

[PistolPete 61421]

Cato, they are not a distraction to me at all. I can only imagine ;) all the DATY and other services I like to provide to ladies, it is so healthy for anyone's sexuality and erotic pleasures. :) So very little time, and so many ladies to worship and desire ;)

 

 

 

@ PistolPete: Thanks for your helpful post, Pete! I too enjoy real way more than imaginary beauty, but imaginary has its place too. I love sexy pics and porn and strip clubs. I don't consider them a distraction but more like a prelude to other things that we all love, the reason why we're here.

[Tallguy007 4172]

Like most (I hope), I see the long-standing threads for best bum/breasts/fripples/legs/lingerie/etc. as simple collections of pictures of that category.

 

The recent "hottie of the day" threads come across to me as immature, to the point where I was wondering whether it is a ploy to artificially boost the thread started stat.

 

I've just been ignoring them, not wanting to encourage them. The current threads are plenty adequate to share pleasant images.

[explorer69 3513]

I love the "best bj " threads. Everyone loves a good bj. It's a great way to think of trying someone new; especially if they mention a few, and I've had a positive experience with one of a contributor's suggestion.

Keep the "Best of" threads coming.

The ones I'm not interested in , (eg best BDSM), I just skip over.

[Guest p**h*x]

Well if a guy saw a certain lady and thought he was a great client, and he was the best client he could be, but didn't make the lady's cut, well he may not vocalize it on CERB, but he may never repeat with that lady again.

 

I can't imagine a guy being that broken up over not being mentioned in a type of thread like that. If so maybe they're taking the hobby a little too seriously and/or are a little too attached to the lady that didn't mention him.

 

I think people shouldn't take these types of threads so seriously. It's just for fun and I think they are within the spirit of the discussions that happen on this forum. I view them the same as I view the hobby... it is fantasy. This discussion board is a medium that facilitates fantasy and provide an outlet to discuss these fantasies with like minded people. If people want to post pictures and talk about their favorite women in a way that is in accordance with the rules they should be able to do so without being called out for it. This community wouldn't exist if people weren't posting. Even if it is on trivial things like best of threads.

 

As for the "Battle of the Hotties" poll, I don't get why this is so distressing? As far as I know the pictures used aren't of women in this community. Obviously, I'd understand the problem if that was the case. But they appear to be images of models. And just because you're putting a poll on which one is your favorite doesn't mean you're saying the runner up is worthless. It's just a discussion to see if people agree that the beautiful red hair lady is their favorite as well

 

At the end of the day all these best of threads, what are you listening to, LOLcats, last thing you purchased, what's for dinner, etc, etc. are just empty calorie discussions. A way to pass the time and have fun. I don't see why they deserve the time and effort it takes to be offended.

[Guest *Ste***cque**]

"Best of" is the key phrase here. That word, used in this venue, is clearly objectifying. You're not saying what you like. You are going an extra few steps and saying "this" ass is better than all those other "poseurs" asses! Some other guy says "are you crazy, the best ass is clearly...". We've just turned a women into an object, her ass.

 

I know it's meant as harmless fun but it's easy to say "lighten up" when it's not happening to you, or you don't get it. Sometimes you just have to take a breath and move on Christy cause you're swimming against the current.

 

I hear a lot of guys sometimes say I would love to be objectified but I'm not so sure. Not if it happened every minute of every day, without end, and it was something that society valued in you. Let's say a group of men are walking through a female construction site and they yell out, "look at the head of hair on that one, compared to those other balding guys" or "wow, this guy looks more successful than those other guys". If the comparisons hit on what society values in you as a person, you might feel differently. Especially if the comparison is for the "best of" and you don't make the grade.

 

I agree with you Christy, and not just because you have a wicked dairy counter and a great bottom shelf. :) I hope everyone realizes that's a joke to bring home my point. :)

[Meaghan McLeod 179664]

I enjoy and dislike certain threads. Those I like, I participate in. Those I don't I ignore.

 

I dislike those that say something like "who gives the best bbbj" or something specific like that. Its not because I don't like the comparisons between providers who provide specific services, but because it clearly stating "for this hobbyist", the sp provided this service. Maybe the provider does not provide this service to everyone? Now she is outed as possibly providing a service she does not provide to everyone or she no longer provides this service and will be bombarded with inquiries asking her to provide this service. Also, if the lady provided this service to the person making the statement, but she wasn't mentioned, she will feel slighted. There is no way around it. He told her at the time it was the greatest, but on the thread he is clearly stating someone else is better then her, even if he is not making a public comparison in the thread to her.

 

I personally think that those threads that say is SP of this board (insert prettier, hotter, sexier, skinnier etc) then SP of this board, is hurtfull. No one wants to be compared publically. Would be horrified if someone made a statement that "sp suze is better looking then sp jane". However, comparing ladies who are not on this site, well, I am not as concerned.

 

No one wants to objectified. This means that they are referred to as an object, like a stove - which stove is better?. he stove doesn't care because it is an object, not a human being. We are all human beings, and no matter if we have a thick skin or are fragile, it always hurts if we are not included in the "who is the sexiest, prettiest, nicest tits, nicest ass" thread. The same ones are nominated over and over again by the same hobbyists'.

 

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and everyone is truly beautiful, sexy, talented, you just have to see the beauty.

 

However, I do understand that these threads are popular and so, they will continue. Read or ignore, your choice.

[Guest S****r]

The guys DO feel it when the situation is reversed. I once posted on here BEST SEX EVER and told how the night before I had had the best sex of my life. To my surprise I got a PM from a regular whose feelings were genuinely hurt. He said, "I thought what you and I have was pretty great. Now I see that that's all a sham."

 

I felt like a real heel.

[Claire Heavens 51771]

I love the "best bj " threads. Everyone loves a good bj. It's a great way to think of trying someone new; especially if they mention a few, and I've had a positive experience with one of a contributor's suggestion.

Keep the "Best of" threads coming.

The ones I'm not interested in , (eg best BDSM), I just skip over.

 

This is part of the point here too explorer.....NOT everyone loves a good bj.... or else I would say EVERYONE loves some great BDSM ;)

 

According to Cristy (and others) it's all on the wording. So basically.....

CHOOSE your words carefully ;)

 

Like instead of saying EVERYONE or BEST OF maybe we all have to put IMHO (in my humble opinion) afterwards- to keep it less of a fact and more of an opinion ;)

[Sweet Emily J 172062]

It sounds like this topic has been debated before, but that must have been a while ago, because I do not remember it, so I assume other new members don't either. Thence, I will insert my own ideas on the subject, since I am an active participant on some of the photo threads.

 

It also seems there is two completely different things people are talking about here. One is picture threads of mostly public models (Nice Bums, Redheads, Beautiful Lingerie, I Love Boobies, etc). And the second is specific SP service recommendations. (Best BJ, etc).

 

As someone who appreciates beauty in others, I very much enjoy the picture threads. I have contributed to them, and I enjoy looking at beautiful pictures of lovely women. If you look through them, there is a wide variety of pictures posted, and I even notice that some members go out of their way to post unique pictures that aren't you're daily run of the mill "model type". Some larger women, different ethnicities, average housewives, and all sorts of others etc. I encourage others to also contribute more unique and different pictures.

 

Those photo threads can be used to our advantage too. The new Hot Guys thread is a good comparison. Which members do we like better... the ones who participate, have fun with it, and can appreciate a handsome man... (or even just ignore it, if they don't care for looking at dudes)... or the ones who sit back with their arms crossed, feeling ugly and fat, and text me commenting how I shouldn't make my clients feel inadequate by posting good looking men? Aww poor baby. I'll take the first, thanks.

 

Second, CERB's entire existence is based on recommendations of women who are selling themselves. It's not just some random social networking site. If you decide to put yourself out there, then accept that people are judging you and comparing you to other ladies. It doesn't mean that one is necessarily better than the other, but it IS a marketplace. And most of the things that people judge us on, actually are within our control anyways. When you put yourself in the public eye (and yes, this is public), there are certain things that should be expected, IMO.

 

Considering that there are many places on the internet with rampant negativity, I don't see how recognizing people for their beauty and talents could ever be a bad thing. There are several legit reasons why someone might not be on a random "Best BJ's" list. Maybe they are low-volume or just low-key in general, or they don't openly advertise BBBJ. It's possible that their BJ is just not that memorable. But maybe they are a fucking amazing kisser with the most beautiful softest skin and most hilarious jokes and sense of humour. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses. I might be listed on a "Best BJ's" thread, but I will never in a million years be mentioned on a "Best Abs" thread. I'm okay with that.

 

My ex-bf used to nit pick everything I said about other people. Just for an example... One day I'd point out that a friend of ours had a really nice shirt on. My BF would say, "What, you don't like MY shirt choice?". WTF. It drove me crazy, and I found it to show both his insecurities and jealousy. Just because I pointed out positive things about other people, didn't mean he was any less.

 

As for the semantics, I agree that sometimes a few words here and there can indeed make a big difference. But I find it a bit silly that one would be satisfied if the title was "Recommendations for Great Oral" instead of "Best BJ". Men are simple. And that's how I like them. Makes my job easier. :)

 

For the record, I do think cristy had only good intentions in starting this thread.

[conquistador 18487]

^ First i have to agree with Emily's post, great post!

 

Also Claire made a point of saying that maybe people will want to get rid of the recommendations...if you have 3 sps and 2 have glowing recommendations and the 3rd doesn't have one, is she going to feel offended that she doesn't have one and the others do?! it's the nature of the biz, but does it make her any less, no...just not recognized, yet.

 

And that goes for Best BJ type threads, maybe there are some sps that excel at it and others don't, but maybe better at something else. Also, guys are paying money for this service and if a BJ is something they want, then they want someone well recommended.

 

There's some threads i don't care for and so i don't participate, so what do i do...i ignore them and go on the threads i do enjoy...it's really that simple.

 

As for the daily hottie threads...yes, immature but it's mindless fun but i enjoy them, get to see sexy women! ....and who would be offended by that, none of the women are from this site.

 

the moral of the story, change the channel if you don't like what you see.

 

...and, yes, this has been mentioned before - http://cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=36167

[JustJack 4689]

Best of threads, are they really necessary and what purpose do they really serve? :)

 

I'd recommend you not read them if you don't like them.

 

I, like many others I'm sure, like them, so I hope you don't mind if I read them.

 

I don't read alot of stuff on this site, but I don't post telling others that their topics serve no purpose.

 

No way I'm going to read this whole thread, but I'm sure you'll get come OPCIs (Obsessive Politically Correct Individuals) agreeing with you.

[Gabriella Laurence 301887]

"Best of" is the key phrase here. That word, used in this venue, is clearly objectifying. You're not saying what you like. You are going an extra few steps and saying "this" ass is better than all those other "poseurs" asses! Some other guy says "are you crazy, the best ass is clearly...". We've just turned a women into an object, her ass.

 

I don't know how many times threads went sour because someone used the wrong word or the politically incorrect word/expression for something. In this case, I think people are putting way too much emphasis on the word "best" and are forgetting to enjoy the pictures for what they are... Beautiful pictures of women with some featuring different sexy assets.

 

Some of us have made suggestions in the past about renaming the "best bums on the planet" thread to alleviate some of the negativity and frustration expressed by some members but at the end of the day, no matter what the thread is called (while respecting the rules), members will still be posting the same kind of pictures in that thread... Beautiful sexy bums they personally appreciate.

 

I have posted in the bum thread on more than one occasion and I have no regrets. I love beautiful women and yes, the cliché is true: beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

 

I know it's meant as harmless fun but it's easy to say "lighten up" when it's not happening to you, or you don't get it.

 

I don't think my sexy buns were ever mentioned in that thread but hey, I'm confident enough to know I have a nice round spankable bum and it doesn't need to be posted in that thread to make me feel better or reinforce what I already know ;) I take no offense to it and simply enjoy the sexy pictures that are being posted (although I haven't visited that thread or others in a long time) without focusing on the thread title.

 

Life is too short to start nitpicking at everything!

[Brad 49548]

I don't read alot of stuff on this site, but I don't post telling others that their topics serve no purpose.

 

No way I'm going to read this whole thread, but I'm sure you'll get come OPCIs (Obsessive Politically Correct Individuals) agreeing with you.

 

I feel like there's a bit of a contradiction in those two paragraphs, Jack. I don't know that I agree with Cristy myself, not completely anyway, but isn't your assumption of why anyone would agree itself dismissive?

 

Myself, I think various viewpoints have been well presented here. And while I'm not sure just where I stand, I can see the intent of each.

 

I would agree Emily J's post a few back makes some good points, especially the inherent difference between those threads that are collections of photos from across the web showcasing individual likes (I've certainly participated in several of those), and threads that inherently are comparing sex acts of Cerb ladies.

 

I don't want to argue that either are right or wrong--plenty has been said already each way. What I do want to suggest is that surely everyone can at least recognize that one of those thread types is at least more...complex...than the other.

 

I mean, I've been one of the fellows that think the "hot guys" thread the ladies started is as innocent fun as the rest, and I've had some fun joining in. And though I wouldn't personally be offended if someone started a "which client gives the best DATY in Nova Scotia" thread, I would view it differently. It's easier said than done to simply ignore such threads--I certainly know I couldn't help but look...wondering if I'd be named...maybe a little anxious if I wasn't, worried why. What if it started seeming like everyone was named but me?

 

Now truthfully, I'd probably actually find such a thread intriguing, but I can at least try to have some empathy for the other view.

 

Anyway, I've rambled too long. Let me end by suggesting that perhaps everyone could at least agree that those who post "best of" threads don't intend any offense (indeed, probably quite the opposite!), but also that the feelings of those who find them off-putting are valid also.

 

Now, I'm off go stick my nose in a less tricky issue, like peace in the Middle East.

[mrgreen760 37785]

Thinking this might not make a best of cerb thread list....

 

Peace

MG

[CristyCurves 169032]

I'd recommend you not read them if you don't like them.

 

I, like many others I'm sure, like them, so I hope you don't mind if I read them.

 

I don't read alot of stuff on this site, but I don't post telling others that their topics serve no purpose.

 

No way I'm going to read this whole thread, but I'm sure you'll get come OPCIs (Obsessive Politically Correct Individuals) agreeing with you.

 

Its funny how some will reply to a thread without clearly reading the op's original post. I clearly stated that I could care less what people thought of my looks, ect, yet some made this personal, as if this was started because of my personal issues with those threads. What prompted me to start this thread was because of REMEMBER-because of- the other threads that have been given alot of attention concerning, womens insecurities about their bodies, not my insecurities, and the threads that supported all types of beauty, I just find it funny and very contradictory to have a thread which expressly celebrates full figures, average figures, ect, ect and how women should celebrate and accept themselves as they are and all others, then you have threads that say this or that is the best. But I suppose I should understand after all I can say I love all mens cocks. they are all great and should be celebrated but only men with thick cocks are the best:)Secondly I stated that, perhaps we could change the wording which was suggestion not a recommendation or order to remove the threads. Thirdly to address your point which states above- I posted-quote- "telling others their posts serve no purpose" -I wrote what purpose do they serve? That is a big difference between an order and asking a question. I asked a question, that was very clear! I've been polite, made my points, suggestions, then some have to get rude and make this personal. As adults all of us should be able to discuss our differences without twisting words, calling names ie: as you said -obsessive politically correct individuals, and by that statement I guess your referring to me as obsessive, thank you as I wasn't aware:) Just as you suggest and a few others suggested I don't have to read them, lol, yet neither do you or them have to read and reply to my threads yet you have? Its always easy to suggest to someone to turn their head away from what you want and like but when the tables turn, lol, not so easy!

It was made very clear in the comments on the "supportive of all beauty threads" that because of the pressure from specific expectations of beauty, in ads, and comments by some, that those actions cause women to become insecure, so I assumed, and silly me , that some of those ads would have included "best ofs". After all best ofs clearly imply whatever is pictured is the best, not yours, hers or mine but what is pictured. Am I mincing words, being to literal, politically correct, maybe but everyone here responds that way when they have a cause or purpose or opinion and by the standard rule as specified in this thread if others are doing it then its alright- its the protocol:)

Also to say that because I suggested changing those threads that next thing you'll know I want the recommendation threads removed?? Really, how are they even the same? Its a shame most didn't get the good intent I had in this thread and instead of seeing it as that you rallied to condemn a simple suggestion, make snide remarks and as I see attack the op:( Instead why couldn't other suggestions have been made or just a simple and friendly I see what you are saying but I disagree or I think it might be better to, ect.

I am a very secure, strong minded person and don't expect anyone quite frankly to agree with me when I make a thread. As I'm always surprised when I'm thanked or nominated. I start threads and post because of something that was on my mind that I wanted to express at that point and when I do its always well worth my time. I speak about what I believe in and what I think, right or wrong. I don't start threads out of boredom or lack of activities nor do I to cause friction or arguments. As this is suppose to be a welcoming and friendly board. That is my enjoyment of this site, yours, lol, are best of threads, have them, as Ms. Sophia said, they aren't breaking any rules, but please don't then be patronizing and then cow tow to how you support "I believe in all beauty" because one doesn't support the other:)

To Gabriella, who through our few emails to one another I found to be very sweet, so please take this last statement as a point and not a criticism, when you insinuated that I was nitpicking,as you stated "life is to short to be nitpicking" I could say the same with your reply-right:)

[Elle Diablo 1345]

With regards to the question that started this thread "... are they really necessary and what purpose do they really serve?" I think what "best of's" serve is a sort of validation of one's participation in socializing - something akin to communication between a certain type of people.

 

Considering we are all individuals, I am certain we can agree that we can also be categorized into groups suggesting that there are two distinct types of people: Extroverted and Introverted.

 

Extroverts being personalities that are magnanimous and physical in nature and very visual; probably enjoy extreme sports, watching movies rather than reading, loud bass so that the music can be felt - literally.

 

Introverts being personalities that are more subdued, insightful of the mind (deep thinkers) and perhaps more emotional or sensitive; probably enjoy quiet evenings with a friend talking for hours, a lot of alone time, will cry if someone else is crying.

 

I am certain what attracts a person to viewing pictures more and discussing less could probably hint at the type of validation they need from friends, family and society ... just as what attracts a person to a more discussion type thread than viewing pictures would hint at the type of validation they need from friends, family and society.

 

Whatever hand fits the glove ;)

[Old Dog 179138]

As people have so eloquently stated these debates have been initiated in the past and NEVER do they come to an acceptable end. There is always someone that feels persecuted for their beliefs and others still feel stifled by their peers.

 

Here are some universal truths:

 

We are adults.

 

We like different things.

 

Bacon is good. (Neener neener neener vegans)

 

Sometimes we like things, like bacon, that others find disgusting, repulsive or a manifestation of an evil soul. Others revel in its beauty, the subtlety of the delicate bouquet, or the majesty of its presence.

 

Someone will ALWAYS be offended by what is written.

 

Someone will ALWAYS agree wholeheartedly with what is written.

 

Smurfs are blue, but they are imaginary.

 

Someone will disagree with the sentence above.

 

Shit happens and we have to deal with it.

 

We need to have an outlet to express ourselves. CERB provides that outlet. As long as people keep their heads and don't post atrocities, illegal or hateful things or pictures of TOFU (which in and of itself is hateful and atrocious, like Lima beans, only worse) then we should be able to say, "Whatever floats your boat."

 

We've been around for a while. We'll be around for a lot longer BUT we have to respect that we are a community of individuals.

 

Now let's get nekkid and have sex; the envelope is on the table.

[Gabriella Laurence 301887]

To Gabriella, who through our few emails to one another I found to be very sweet, so please take this last statement as a point and not a criticism, when you insinuated that I was nitpicking,as you stated "life is to short to be nitpicking" I could say the same with your reply-right:)

Cristy, I think you may have taken my post a little too personally and at the same time, taken my "nitpicking" comment out of context (it was a reflection on everything I wrote as a whole). My comments weren't directed at you nor was I insinuating anything. I think if you take the time to re-read what I wrote previously, you'll understand what I mean.

[Sweet Emily J 172062]

I have thought about this more and I have a straight answer to the original question now.

 

Best of threads, are they really necessary and what purpose do they really serve?

 

The purpose of those threads are that they make men both happy and horny. And happy and horny men are the ones who buy sex from providers selling sex.

 

Consider that the large majority of the providers here are advertising completely free of charge, and probably get most of their clients here (if not most, then admittedly the highest quality of clients). To draw these gentlemen here, and keep them visiting often, they need to enjoy their CERB experience. Having a variety of both text and photo threads helps. Keep in mind that the majority of the women in photo threads are not selling sex... So who do they go see then?

 

And no, because I post threads that support all women's body types does not mean I am excluded from being able to enjoy and post photographs of nice asses, breasts and redheads. This point makes zero sense. In fact, because I support and enjoy all healthy women's body types, means that there is just that much more beautiful erotic photography that I will be able to enjoy and share. :)

[Gabriella Laurence 301887]

Consider that the large majority of the providers here are advertising completely free of charge, and probably get most of their clients here (if not most, then admittedly the highest quality of clients). To draw these gentlemen here, and keep them visiting often, they need to enjoy their CERB experience. Having a variety of both text and photo threads helps. Keep in mind that the majority of the women in photo threads are not selling sex... So who do they go see then?

Well said :)

 

Just to touch on the point of free advertising, let's keep in mind why we are able to advertise for free on Cerb and why the picture threads are good for all of us: http://www.cerb.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=43015

 

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It appears free to you but your posts are content and your visits are traffic.

 

Content = Search engine listings

 

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Traffic = Money!

 

This site is FREE to use for all of you and in return you are giving us your time, contributions and traffic.

 

Someone has to pay the bills and in this "virtual" world website traffic is what pays the bills. Hard to imagine but that is how it works.

 

The more traffic cerb.ca gets the more traffic it's sponsors receive (Advertisers on the site).

[CristyCurves 169032]

[quote name=Emiily

 

And no' date=' because I post threads that support all women's body types does not mean I am excluded from being able to enjoy and post photographs of nice asses, breasts and redheads. This point makes zero sense. In fact, because I support and enjoy all healthy women's body types, means that there is just that much more beautiful erotic photography that I will be able to enjoy and share. :)[/quote]

 

Well men do come here because there are women advertising and women advertise because men come here. You need both equally. So the site needs to be user friendly and motivational for all equally:)To address your last point it would make no sense if you were simply speaking of posting erotic photos and enjoying them, but remember that's not what's being mentioned. My point is relevant and certainly does make sense, if you post A best of thread and specify in this thread that that picture of that womans bum is the best then you post a thread wanting women to celebrate their bodies because they are all beautiful, that's hypocritical:) Certainly you can do both but when doing so you are contradicting the point of the celebratory thread, which I thought its purpose was to boost womens confidences, best ofs , in some incidences(not mine), do the opposite. :)